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| 04:42.34 | ca-on-adam | Hi, I was poking around in an old hard drive with Gentoo on it. The init system appears to be "OpenRC". I would like to know how that fits into the picture as far as init systems evolve. Thanks. |
| 04:48.18 | nacelle | not much to know, the openrc history sums it up |
| 04:48.28 | nacelle | they're a replacement for sysv init, and are a current init system |
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| 06:23.36 | ca-on-adam | nacelle: thanks. I will read up on it but I was interested in the opinions from a "free from systemd" perspective. |
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| 06:35.54 | KatolaZ | ca-on-adam: what do you want to know exactly? |
| 06:38.40 | ca-on-adam | I guess I'm patching together an understanding from my limited knowledge. The specific question I have is this: to the best of your knowledge, is the motivation behind OpenRC to adhere to the Unix Philosophy, or is it more of a re-implementation of BSD-style init? |
| 06:42.31 | KatolaZ | ca-on-adam: openrc is a simple init system, that does only one thing, and does it well |
| 06:56.30 | nacelle | openrc has been around for a while, its taken on diffrent flavors over time.. but I think it adheres as close to the old ways as possible while introducing new things |
| 06:56.48 | nacelle | the bigger thing is depedency handling in ways init had issues with |
| 06:57.00 | nacelle | and as of like 2011, simultaneously starting things |
| 06:58.47 | nacelle | hrmm, no, 2011 was something else I was thinking of this evening, sorry! |
| 07:00.06 | nacelle | interesting: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems |
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| 07:05.31 | allohol | Is there a (reliable) roadmap for devuan? I guess jessie is still the only stable release? |
| 07:06.15 | nacelle | ascii is in beta |
| 07:06.28 | nacelle | and getting closer I think |
| 07:07.10 | allohol | What will it be called then? |
| 07:09.50 | nacelle | ascii |
| 07:10.08 | allohol | And do I need to adjust my sources.list* when jessie becomes 'oldstable'? Do you plan to adopt that naming convention from debian - stable, oldstable? |
| 07:10.12 | nacelle | https://devuan.org/os/releases |
| 07:10.48 | nacelle | "When ascii is ready, it will become stable, jessie will become old-stable, beowulf will become testing and a future release name starting with letter the C will be picked." |
| 07:10.49 | allohol | nacelle: I thought ascii is 'testing', like 'sid'? |
| 07:11.12 | nacelle | "An exception to this is unstable, which always has the codename ceres with sid as an alias for compatibility reasons." |
| 07:11.30 | nacelle | read that page, yo |
| 07:11.38 | nacelle | covers everythign you're asking and then some :-) |
| 07:11.42 | nacelle | and its short and concise |
| 07:12.12 | allohol | To solve that, each version of Devuan gets a uniquerelease name or codename that follows it as it matures. |
| 07:12.17 | allohol | ic |
| 07:13.08 | allohol | nacelle: tx |
| 07:14.40 | nacelle | np |
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| 07:17.23 | KatolaZ | allohol: you must always use suite names |
| 07:17.41 | KatolaZ | allohol: sid is not testing |
| 07:17.46 | KatolaZ | sid is unstable |
| 07:18.07 | KatolaZ | Devuan ceres merges Debian sis |
| 07:18.09 | KatolaZ | ~sid |
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| 07:50.11 | quad | Is there some status page where you can see how close we are to a new stable release? Releases page says Testing becomes Stable âwhen it is readyâ. |
| 07:50.28 | quad | But is there any way to know if it's like 10% ready or if it's 90% ready? |
| 07:52.27 | quad | All I found was this: https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages/milestones |
| 07:52.34 | quad | But doesn't seem to be particularly up-to-date |
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| 07:58.06 | hgunth | quad: It's a bit of a gamble. If Devuan's infrastructure gets taken over the release might be delayed quite a bit. |
| 07:58.37 | hgunth | Sadly security updates don't get installed even on critical infrastructure such as the gitlab. |
| 08:00.47 | quad | Well I guess that's mostly just what smaller distros are like |
| 08:01.10 | quad | No security updates sounds pretty bad though |
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| 08:30.22 | KatolaZ | quad: what do you want do know exactly? |
| 08:30.57 | KatolaZ | hgunth: taken over by what? |
| 08:32.35 | quad | KatolaZ: Just anything more accurate than "sometime in the future" if possible |
| 08:34.20 | KatolaZ | quad: there is already a beta |
| 08:34.24 | KatolaZ | and we are working at a RC |
| 08:34.52 | KatolaZ | it will be realesed when it's ready :) |
| 08:35.19 | quad | Thanks. That's plenty. I was just getting a bit worried since Stretch isn't that far off from having been out almost a year. |
| 08:35.24 | KatolaZ | if you need milestones, planned releases, and six-month cycles, you'd probably be better off with Ubuntu |
| 08:35.38 | KatolaZ | quad: have you contributed to Devuan in any way? :) |
| 08:35.55 | KatolaZ | being worried is cheap |
| 08:36.01 | quad | Sadly not yet. I'm not much of a dev, though I try to write some wiki articles and stuff |
| 08:36.15 | KatolaZ | then you could contribute with documentation maybe |
| 08:36.23 | KatolaZ | Devuan does not have hundreds of developers |
| 08:36.33 | KatolaZ | and none of them is paid by devuan |
| 08:37.44 | quad | If there's anything I have the knowledge to help with I'd be happy to assuming I find the time. e.g I recently wrote Void Linux's documentation for installing with a tarball |
| 08:38.05 | quad | I also spread the word a bit, but that doesn't really directly help, maybe indirectly long-term |
| 08:38.25 | KatolaZ | quad: you'd be welcome |
| 08:38.46 | KatolaZ | the doc group is working at finalising the install manual to be included in the install media |
| 08:39.02 | KatolaZ | it might be a good moment to join |
| 08:39.16 | KatolaZ | (no pressure, just mentioning what can be done) |
| 08:41.35 | quad | I'll consider it. Right now I'm busy though. My workplace had a power outage on Tuesday that somehow killed half our storage cluster and we still haven't gotten performance up again. |
| 08:41.53 | quad | In the meantime I'm planning to at least donate a couple bucks, that's the least I can do |
| 08:44.31 | flrn | KatolaZ: Is there an official way to contact the "doc group"? |
| 08:44.57 | flrn | I might be able to help, also with translations. |
| 08:46.32 | quad | flrn: Seems to just be a GitLab group: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-doc |
| 08:47.20 | quad | Actually nvm. Nothing seems to be happening in that group atm |
| 08:48.02 | flrn | quad: Thanks, I had seen that. |
| 08:49.24 | hgunth | KatolaZ: Taken over by people who exploit security issues such as remote unauthenticated code execution bugs in exposed web services. |
| 08:51.35 | quad | flrn: I think I found it: https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php |
| 08:51.48 | quad | They seem to chill in a combination of #devuan-dev and #devuan-wiki |
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| 08:54.41 | flrn | quad: Thank you, I didn't know about the wiki channel. Gonna go lurk... |
| 09:02.34 | KatolaZ | flrn: just ask on #devuan-dev |
| 09:02.45 | KatolaZ | quad: ^^^^^ |
| 09:04.38 | flrn | KatolaZ: just joined #devuan-wiki, gonna have a look at -dev later. |
| 09:04.48 | flrn | 's not a dev |
| 09:05.06 | KatolaZ | ok flrn |
| 09:05.06 | KatolaZ | np |
| 09:05.08 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 09:05.45 | flrn | KatolaZ, merci :-) |
| 09:08.06 | KatolaZ | flrn: thank *you* :) |
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| 09:27.04 | KatolaZ | hgunth: any reference to a specific CVE, or you are just wondering? |
| 09:28.25 | KatolaZ | hgunth: there is no known CVE that can allow to "take over" the devuan infrastructure via remote code execution on gitlab |
| 09:28.35 | KatolaZ | hgunth: if you have more information, please provide a pointer |
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| 09:58.25 | hgunth | KatolaZ: CVE-2016-0788, CVE-2016-9299, CVE-2017-1000353 |
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| 10:05.59 | KatolaZ | first one is not gitlab |
| 10:06.03 | hgunth | The Jenkins version Devuan runs is from May 2016 and has never been updated in almost two years, GitLab was last updated in August 2017. |
| 10:06.24 | KatolaZ | neither the second one |
| 10:06.50 | KatolaZ | the latest one is an invalid number |
| 10:07.13 | KatolaZ | hgunth: can you please point to any CVE that allows to "take over" the devuan infrastructure? |
| 10:07.36 | hgunth | KatolaZ: It's not an invalid number. |
| 10:08.02 | KatolaZ | https://www.cvedetails.com/cve-details.php?t=1&cve_id=CVE-2017-100035 |
| 10:08.24 | hgunth | KatolaZ: That's not the number I wrote. |
| 10:08.27 | koollman | KatolaZ: missing a 3 at the end |
| 10:08.59 | hgunth | KatolaZ: If remote unauthenticated code execution in the system building packages for Devuan and having full access to the archive is not a problem for you... |
| 10:09.30 | KatolaZ | none of them affects gitlab |
| 10:09.43 | KatolaZ | hgunth: no it's not |
| 10:10.54 | KatolaZ | because it does not have any access to the archive |
| 10:11.00 | KatolaZ | (whatever is the archive you are referring to) |
| 10:11.54 | hgunth | KatolaZ: The system building packages and integrating them in the archive has no access to the archive? Lol. |
| 10:12.21 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:13.06 | KatolaZ | still waiting for the deadly CVE about gitlab |
| 10:17.38 | KatolaZ | anyway, none of the CVEs you have posted affects our jenkins |
| 10:17.45 | hgunth | Oh well, keep running old unsupported versions. Everything will be fine. |
| 10:17.49 | KatolaZ | and none of them is about gitlab |
| 10:18.11 | KatolaZ | hgunth: you made a specific claim that you can't support -> yours is FUD |
| 10:18.24 | hgunth | Installing updates probably only means unwelcome change and ruins uptime. |
| 10:19.05 | KatolaZ | yeah sure :) |
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| 12:38.13 | crimson_king | golinux, what is the IRC name of dev1fanboy? |
| 12:56.30 | fsmithred | crimson_king, chillfan |
| 12:57.04 | crimson_king | thx |
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| 18:46.05 | msiism | can anyone recommend a desktop-independent run dialog, sth that might act as a replacement for gmrun? |
| 18:48.35 | muep | dmenu? |
| 18:49.40 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 18:49.49 | msiism | but isn't that a menu? |
| 18:49.56 | KatolaZ | nope msiism |
| 18:50.00 | MinceR | a dropdown console can also act as such (especially with history search) |
| 18:50.04 | KatolaZ | it can do whatever you want |
| 18:50.15 | MinceR | dropdown console style terminal emulator, i mean |
| 18:50.24 | msiism | KatolaZ: ok, can it read my e-mail? :D |
| 18:50.37 | KatolaZ | msiism: luckily not (yet_ |
| 18:50.40 | msiism | KatolaZ: ok, sounds good. i'll check it out. |
| 18:50.41 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 18:50.52 | msiism | muep: thanks for the suggestion |
| 18:51.07 | KatolaZ | I use it for bookmark management, for instance |
| 18:51.15 | KatolaZ | with two simple shell scripts |
| 18:51.31 | msiism | like brwoser bookmarks independent of a web browser? |
| 18:51.46 | KatolaZ | namely |
| 18:52.32 | KatolaZ | will probably put the scripts somewhere |
| 18:53.07 | msiism | KatolaZ: please do if you find the time. i'm interested. |
| 18:54.01 | unixman | uses Guake |
| 18:54.54 | KatolaZ | msiism: https://ptpb.pw/3uSd <- tbm |
| 18:54.56 | KatolaZ | and |
| 18:55.06 | KatolaZ | https://ptpb.pw/2Lh1 <- tbm_add |
| 18:55.24 | KatolaZ | amend as needed |
| 18:55.44 | KatolaZ | you need dmenu and xclip |
| 18:56.17 | KatolaZ | when you call tbm without parameters, it shows the current list of bookmarks through dmenu |
| 18:56.28 | KatolaZ | when you select one, the url gets copies in the primary selection |
| 18:56.46 | KatolaZ | then you can paste it with the middle button, for instance |
| 18:57.02 | msiism | great, i'll try these out. a bit of a bash challenge for me, which doesn't hurt. |
| 18:57.03 | KatolaZ | when you call tbm_add, it takes the url from the primary selection |
| 18:57.09 | KatolaZ | asks for a list of tags |
| 18:57.22 | KatolaZ | and adds the bookmark (tags + url) calling tbm |
| 18:59.27 | msiism | unixman: i'm on a path of avoiding gtk at more or less all costs. |
| 18:59.37 | KatolaZ | msiism: I have associated tbm_add to CTRL+SHIFT+period |
| 18:59.46 | KatolaZ | and tbm to CTRL+period |
| 18:59.58 | KatolaZ | I find it handy |
| 19:00.11 | KatolaZ | C-. shows the bookmark list |
| 19:00.14 | unixman | msiism, understood. |
| 19:00.17 | KatolaZ | C-S-. adds a new one |
| 19:00.23 | msiism | KatolaZ: ok, im not using that binding for anythig else, i'll check that out. |
| 19:00.23 | KatolaZ | gotta go |
| 19:00.24 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 19:00.31 | msiism | KatolaZ: see you |
| 19:00.48 | msiism | unixman: but a drop-down terminal is nice, i admit. |
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| 19:01.22 | msiism | unixman: i think lxqt also has that for their run dialog. |
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| 19:07.20 | ca-on-adam | KatolaZ: okay, thanks. I will add it to my list of things that will help me avoid systemd. :) |
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| 22:16.09 | msiism | the thing about dmenu is, however, that it doesn't offer history. but there's a shell script 'dmenu_run_history', also from suckless, which can be used for this purpose: https://tools.suckless.org/dmenu/scripts/dmenu_run_with_command_history |
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| 22:26.21 | msiism | when putting a script in /usr/local/bin, what permissions would you normally give that? i'd go with: read access to all, execute permission to all and write acces to the owner only, which is root. |
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| 23:23.52 | ejr | whenever i try to upgrade my new ascii netinstall to ceres, I get an error after dist-upgrade saying "Errors were encountered while processing eudev bluez" |
| 23:26.53 | KatolaZ | ejr: ceres has an older version of eudev |
| 23:27.10 | KatolaZ | oh no wait |
| 23:27.28 | KatolaZ | ceres as a new version |
| 23:27.40 | KatolaZ | ejr: what's the error you get? |
| 23:29.05 | ejr | KatolaZ: installed eudev package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 100 |
| 23:30.01 | KatolaZ | ejr: I think we should look at the error log |
| 23:30.07 | KatolaZ | but I am crashing asleep now |
| 23:30.10 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 23:30.11 | ejr | I tried installing udev also, but that gives me the error: trying to overwrite /lib/udev/rules.d/70-power-switch.rles which is also in package elogind 234.4-2" |
| 23:30.16 | KatolaZ | nono |
| 23:30.22 | KatolaZ | you should use eudev |
| 23:30.30 | ejr | yeah I thought so |
| 23:30.40 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 23:30.42 | KatolaZ | o/ |
| 23:30.53 | ejr | bbl and thanks |
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