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16:10.50 | TCH_ | hello |
16:11.36 | TCH_ | i managed to build firefox 52.7.3esr with gtk2 and alsa, how can i make a debian package out of it? |
16:13.12 | KatolaZ | TCH_: if you have no previous experience in packaging, firefox is probably not the best primer... |
16:14.14 | furrywolf | KatolaZ: or, if he managed to build firefox, maybe packaging would be considered trivial? :P |
16:14.53 | TCH_ | KatolaZ: i know how to make a deb package with checkinstall, but that does not work with firefox |
16:15.17 | TCH_ | also, i need firefox 52 with alsa/gtk2, so it does not matter, if it's good for a start, or not |
16:15.55 | TCH_ | furrywolf: it's not trivial, i could not find any info on the net about it |
16:16.02 | gnarface | TCH_: you tried building from the source package with dpkg-buildpackage and it didn't work, i take it? |
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16:16.16 | gnarface | TCH_: it's trivial these assholes just like to pull up the ladder |
16:16.42 | TCH_ | dpkg-buildpackage works with it? |
16:16.50 | TCH_ | i did not try that |
16:16.57 | gnarface | TCH_: apt-get build-dep [package name] && apt-get source [package name] && cd [package name] && dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
16:17.44 | gnarface | TCH_: note that `apt-get build-dep` may miss some actual dependencies but since you built firefox already successfully that probably won't be a roadblock to you |
16:18.09 | gnarface | TCH_: (now, if that doesn't work then the source package is broken and i can't help) |
16:18.54 | TCH_ | i did not used apt-get source, i downloaded the archive from here: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/52.7.3esr/ |
16:19.07 | TCH_ | is that a problem? will dpkg-buldpackage still work? |
16:19.52 | TCH_ | root@Csabi:/media/SOFTDISK/firefox-52.7.3esr# dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
16:19.52 | TCH_ | tail: 'debian/changelog' nem nyitható meg olvasásra: Nincs ilyen fájl vagy könyvtár |
16:19.52 | TCH_ | dpkg-buildpackage: error: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1 |
16:20.02 | TCH_ | it seems, dpkg-buildpackage does not work |
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16:21.22 | gnarface | TCH_: that's a problem, dpkg-buildpackage is debian-specific and will only work on the debian source packages |
16:21.38 | gnarface | (using debian/devuan interchangeably here despite it being technically inaccurate) |
16:22.13 | TCH_ | but both debian and devuan ship firefox-esr with gtk3 and pulse |
16:22.38 | TCH_ | is there a devuan package which ships firefox with alsa and gtk2? |
16:23.00 | gnarface | TCH_: no, but it should be as easy to change in the source package as the upstream build. in general, for a good experience *don't* use upstream sources except when there's no other option |
16:25.21 | gnarface | are you sure the firefox-esr package requires pulse though? the one i have here in ceres still does not... |
16:25.32 | gnarface | they did switch to gtk3 though observably |
16:26.05 | gnarface | there's a good chance you can still switch it back in your build with a simple change to the ./configure line |
16:33.07 | TCH_ | maybe only the debian package uses the pulse |
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16:33.21 | TCH_ | but i don't want gtk3 either |
16:33.44 | TCH_ | as for the ./configure, firefox refuses to work that way |
16:33.50 | TCH_ | i need to create a mozconfig file |
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16:34.28 | TCH_ | also, if i try to download and rebuild the firefox shipped with debian |
16:34.32 | TCH_ | then i broke iceweasel |
16:34.41 | gnarface | you're telling me that debian source package doesn't have a ./debian directory, that the ./debian directory doesn't have a control file, or just that you gave up without even looking for it because you're still looking at the upstream source? |
16:35.22 | gnarface | i'm showing iceweasel as just an empty transitional package here on ceres now. what devuan are you actually running? |
16:35.23 | TCH_ | no |
16:35.35 | TCH_ | i say, i pinned firefox-esr from the repo |
16:35.44 | TCH_ | because it conflicts with my iceweasel package |
16:36.02 | gnarface | well that would be expected behavior since they're the same program |
16:36.08 | TCH_ | debian team bombed iceweasel and they made a dummy package |
16:36.15 | TCH_ | they're not entirely the same |
16:36.27 | TCH_ | iceweasel don't have the telemetry stuff |
16:36.31 | gnarface | well they use the same paths for a lot of stuff, so you'd have to differentiate them manually |
16:36.44 | gnarface | that's more than just a trivial rebuild now |
16:37.05 | TCH_ | i already managed to get rid of the telemetry in my upstream build |
16:38.35 | TCH_ | also, if i will do "apt-get build-dep firefox-esr", then it'll install gtk3-dev and along with that: gtk3 |
16:39.07 | gnarface | yea, probably |
16:39.12 | gnarface | also expected behavior you know |
16:39.33 | TCH_ | yeah, i know |
16:39.42 | gnarface | but if you were planning on editing the dependencies, you are also capable of figuring out how to install them without build-dep to help |
16:39.43 | TCH_ | this is why i built it from scratch |
16:40.09 | gnarface | i'm not questioning your judgement about building it, just telling you that using the upstream source is a mistake |
16:40.29 | TCH_ | i see |
16:40.37 | TCH_ | well, then i now downloaded the debian one |
16:40.46 | TCH_ | it downloaded dozens of tar.bz2 |
16:41.01 | gnarface | dependencies, patches, etc |
16:41.07 | TCH_ | yep |
16:41.11 | TCH_ | got the dir |
16:42.09 | gnarface | incidentally, you should know that i don't really know anything about this process that isn't in the debian new maintainer's guide |
16:42.40 | TCH_ | no prob, i will use the same mozconfig as before |
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16:43.44 | gnarface | i would recommend you only use mozconfig on the debian source package if that's what it would use by default (which i doubt, but admit i don't know and am not going to bother to look for you) |
16:44.38 | TCH_ | why, you think, the debian source package don't use the "mach" builder, as the upstream source? |
16:45.42 | TCH_ | it's there... |
16:45.57 | TCH_ | ./configure does not work |
16:46.02 | TCH_ | clearly i need to use "mach" |
16:46.05 | gnarface | is there a ./debian/ directory? |
16:46.07 | TCH_ | and mozconfig |
16:46.15 | TCH_ | yes |
16:46.19 | gnarface | you jump to that conclusion "clearly" when i don't see anything clear about it so far |
16:46.35 | gnarface | you seem really fixated on what seems to be an arbitrary idea to me |
16:46.40 | TCH_ | if configure does not work, then what else i could do? |
16:47.36 | gnarface | TCH_: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
16:48.17 | gnarface | if it does something different than what this outlines, i can't help |
16:48.25 | gnarface | sorry |
16:48.35 | TCH_ | no prob, thanks anyway |
16:48.43 | TCH_ | i'm reading the manual |
16:49.08 | gnarface | my assumption is that there's vestigial remains of the upstream build system laying around that are confusing you |
16:49.27 | gnarface | but that the normal ./debian/control procedures will work |
16:50.16 | gnarface | though i admit i know that this isn't strictly enforced by Debian, it's strongly encouraged and so far I haven't actually seen a package that did not at least attempt to use this build system (occasionally it's clear the maintainer fudged something to make the binary packages work but it's more and more rare these days) |
16:51.17 | gnarface | in no situation should you have to call ./configure yourself, there should be a file in there you can edit the build options that dpkg-buildpackage runs for you |
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16:52.22 | gnarface | it's all outlined clearly in chapters 6-8 of the NMG. you can just ignore the first 5 chapters of religion |
16:52.58 | gnarface | it's the only authoritative document on the subject but it's no secret that it was designed as a deterrent |
16:54.00 | TCH_ | why, is it that terrible? |
16:56.06 | golinux | TCH_: You might want to have a look at this https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 |
16:56.10 | gnarface | well they spend a lot of effort padding it with stuff that's only meaningful as a litmus test to separate the serious from the casual |
16:57.01 | gnarface | a lot of this information is purely ideological |
16:57.32 | gnarface | like stuff they want people applying to be an official debian maintainer to know, but that will frighten away anyone who wants to just build a debian package the right way |
16:58.05 | gnarface | presumably because the latter waste too much of the real maintainer's time |
16:58.13 | TCH_ | i see...i never tried this way, i always used ./configure and checkinstall |
16:58.24 | gnarface | but whether that's true or not, hiding information this way violates my ideology |
16:58.31 | TCH_ | golinux: thanks for the link, i'll need it, when i'll switch to ascii |
17:01.35 | golinux | Why wait for ascii? |
17:03.16 | TCH_ | i have debian jessie now and i got rid of shitsteamd and pulseaudio |
17:03.44 | TCH_ | currently i have no urgent reasons to switch to devuan |
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17:04.10 | crimson_king | The release day is a symbolic thing, no? |
17:04.25 | TCH_ | gnarface: this build manual says nothing about where i can specify the parameters i want to pass to configure |
17:04.42 | TCH_ | crimson_king: nope, i want to switch, when the devs says it's stable |
17:04.47 | golinux | TCH_: Then why aren't you seeking help over at debian? |
17:05.12 | TCH_ | why would i seek for help at there? |
17:05.22 | TCH_ | they accepted systemd and pulseaudio as default |
17:05.25 | gnarface | TCH_: it's in there somewhere |
17:05.36 | TCH_ | i doubt they would help me in avoiding them |
17:05.41 | KatolaZ | TCH_: build parameters will go in debian/rules |
17:06.08 | KatolaZ | TCH_: I didn't mean to discourage you |
17:06.40 | KatolaZ | I think I don't have enough experience with .debs to give it a try |
17:06.47 | KatolaZ | so I can't recommend you to do that |
17:07.03 | KatolaZ | I know that many things can go wrong in the process |
17:07.11 | KatolaZ | and since the building is not immediate, |
17:07.16 | KatolaZ | the process can be quite tiring |
17:07.44 | TCH_ | yeah, i suspect |
17:07.58 | KatolaZ | having said that, nothing can stop a motivated person |
17:07.59 | KatolaZ | :) |
17:08.22 | TCH_ | exactly :) |
17:08.40 | TCH_ | which part of debian/rules? |
17:08.42 | golinux | TCH_: This might help you also http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
17:09.54 | golinux | Even I have built a package following that! |
17:10.11 | KatolaZ | TCH_: where are you with the debian maintainer manual? |
17:10.12 | TCH_ | thanks, bookmarked |
17:10.20 | KatolaZ | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
17:10.47 | KatolaZ | sorry, maybe they have already suggested that |
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17:11.23 | TCH_ | they did |
17:11.31 | KatolaZ | ok |
17:11.34 | gnarface | KatolaZ: i suggested he skip to chapter 6 |
17:11.36 | TCH_ | this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
17:11.44 | TCH_ | i finished reading this |
17:11.58 | KatolaZ | gnarface: I don't think it's a good idea, but that's just my take on that :) |
17:12.45 | gnarface | TCH_: that second form link from golinux seems to be a good summary of the information, i hadn't seen it before. it might help you fill in the blanks. remember that the package maintainers themselves are free to ... improvise |
17:13.07 | gnarface | *forum link |
17:15.19 | TCH_ | i'm still looking in debian/rules |
17:15.25 | TCH_ | where i can inject my parameters? |
17:15.47 | gnarface | well you're gonna have to read it and figure out where it's pulling the default parameters from |
17:15.57 | gnarface | often, they're in that file directly |
17:16.02 | gnarface | sometimes it sources other scripts |
17:16.10 | KatolaZ | TCH_: rules honours a set of "override_"s |
17:16.22 | KatolaZ | which govern the different phases of the build |
17:16.24 | KatolaZ | gotta go |
17:16.25 | KatolaZ | bbl |
17:16.29 | KatolaZ | TCH_: read :) |
17:17.10 | TCH_ | i see |
17:17.17 | TCH_ | then i think i'll have to dig deeper |
17:20.48 | TCH_ | okay guys, i have to depart now, thanks for the help |
17:20.56 | TCH_ | bye all |
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