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| 00:20.19 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 02:07.38 | diazee | Hello! Recently switched over from debian, and I have a very strange issue, I am not sure how to resolve. Basically after running an update, I am getting an error "dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_238-4_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/rules.d/70-power-switch-rules', which is also in package elogind 23 |
| 02:07.39 | diazee | 4.4-2" and then it is killed with a broken pipe message. apt --fix-broken install returns the same error, and I couldn't find information on what I should try next. Any help is appreachiated. |
| 02:09.40 | gnarface | diazee: you're on ascii? |
| 02:09.47 | diazee | Correct |
| 02:09.58 | gnarface | broken package |
| 02:10.16 | gnarface | uh... lemme think... |
| 02:10.33 | gnarface | i believe there were two workarounds |
| 02:10.51 | gnarface | i think you have to decide between elogind and something else |
| 02:11.00 | gnarface | not udev though |
| 02:11.08 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 02:11.12 | gnarface | or maybe it is... |
| 02:11.12 | fsmithred | udev/eudev problem? |
| 02:11.16 | diazee | Yes. |
| 02:11.20 | fsmithred | what version of eudev? |
| 02:11.29 | gnarface | yea that's it, it's udev not eudev |
| 02:11.53 | diazee | Not sure on the version |
| 02:11.56 | diazee | let me see |
| 02:11.57 | fsmithred | probably just need to remove udev or remove /etc/init.d/udev |
| 02:12.02 | fsmithred | then upgrade again |
| 02:12.16 | diazee | Yeah, it wouldnt let me just remove it |
| 02:12.31 | fsmithred | just 'rm /etc/init.d/udev' |
| 02:12.41 | fsmithred | as root, of course |
| 02:12.46 | fsmithred | nobody can stop you |
| 02:13.00 | diazee | Well, it doesn't exist apparently ha |
| 02:13.04 | fsmithred | ok |
| 02:13.12 | fsmithred | dpkg -l eudev |
| 02:13.20 | gnarface | i think it's still udev |
| 02:13.47 | gnarface | well, if /etc/init.d/udev isn't there though... |
| 02:13.49 | gnarface | hmm |
| 02:14.12 | fsmithred | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180323.184528.db170f27.en.html |
| 02:14.35 | fsmithred | upgrading from jessie to ascii? |
| 02:14.42 | diazee | Yes |
| 02:14.50 | gnarface | i messed mine up somehow, and i ended up having to purge udev and the kernel then reinstall eudev |
| 02:15.19 | fsmithred | ouch |
| 02:15.29 | fsmithred | from debian jessie or devuan jessie? |
| 02:15.36 | diazee | devuan |
| 02:15.38 | gnarface | from devuan jessie |
| 02:15.56 | diazee | Yeah I was trying to purge it all |
| 02:16.09 | diazee | but im getting stuck on initramfs tool depencancies that wont let me do it |
| 02:16.13 | gnarface | but it may be relevant that the devuan jessie install was itself an upgrade from debian |
| 02:16.23 | gnarface | diazee: oh yea, i had to purge that too |
| 02:16.44 | gnarface | so basically at that point you've uninstalled your running kernel, and now you can install the kernel and eudev again. |
| 02:16.45 | fsmithred | try 'apt-get install eudev=3.2.2-13 libeudev1=3.2.2-13 |
| 02:16.52 | gnarface | make sure you don't reboot at that point |
| 02:17.03 | gnarface | but try what fsmithred suggests first |
| 02:17.19 | diazee | Says the versions weren't found/ |
| 02:17.26 | diazee | I'll try and purge it all see if i can get it through |
| 02:17.27 | gnarface | you ran apt-get update right? |
| 02:17.30 | fsmithred | what sources you using? |
| 02:17.40 | fsmithred | don't purge anything |
| 02:17.43 | fsmithred | yet |
| 02:18.21 | diazee | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main |
| 02:18.22 | diazee | deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main |
| 02:18.22 | diazee | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main |
| 02:18.23 | diazee | deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main |
| 02:18.23 | diazee | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-proposed-updates main |
| 02:18.24 | diazee | deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-proposed-updates main |
| 02:18.24 | diazee | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main |
| 02:18.25 | diazee | deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main |
| 02:18.41 | gnarface | ouch |
| 02:18.45 | fsmithred | I'll get it |
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| 02:19.34 | fsmithred | ok, thanks doc, I'm fumbling |
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| 02:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2018-04-21 Sat 04:19:57] <Sigyn> The ban on diazee has been lifted |
| 02:20.27 | fsmithred | thanks |
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| 02:21.05 | diazee | oops |
| 02:21.10 | diazee | got myself banned |
| 02:21.11 | fsmithred | too much |
| 02:21.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | /msg Sigyn unkline <nick> |
| 02:21.20 | gnarface | paste.debian.net ;-) |
| 02:21.54 | fsmithred | that version is in auto.mirror |
| 02:22.00 | fsmithred | you need to update |
| 02:22.24 | gnarface | should proposed-updates really be enabled? |
| 02:22.39 | gnarface | i would think for an upgrade, that should be off |
| 02:23.06 | fsmithred | yeah, that should be used selectively |
| 02:23.16 | diazee | Okay, I'll comment that out then |
| 02:23.40 | fsmithred | probably don't need deb-src lines, either |
| 02:24.06 | fsmithred | unless you want to make your own packages |
| 02:24.33 | diazee | Ran an apt-get update and tried to install again, still failing. |
| 02:24.45 | diazee | I may just reinstall at this point with a fresh image |
| 02:24.50 | fsmithred | apt-cache policy eudev |
| 02:24.53 | diazee | See if I can unscrew it |
| 02:25.09 | fsmithred | ok, suggestion: if you want ascii, get the ascii beta netinstall iso |
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| 02:25.37 | diazee | Yeah, probably be simpler that way. Live and lear |
| 02:25.38 | diazee | n |
| 02:26.17 | fsmithred | brb |
| 02:27.13 | diazee | While I'm here, is there documentation somewhere on how to backport a ceres package to ascii? |
| 02:29.40 | gnarface | add the ceres source, install the source package, run `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc` in the source directory, repeat for all dependencies |
| 02:29.50 | gnarface | well |
| 02:29.58 | gnarface | no just the one apt-get complains about when you try to install the package |
| 02:30.02 | gnarface | ones* |
| 02:30.32 | fsmithred | there's a good howto at forums.debian.net |
| 02:30.33 | diazee | When you say add the ceres source, you mean just add the entire thing to sourceslist? |
| 02:30.43 | gnarface | no just the deb-src line actually |
| 02:30.51 | gnarface | you don't need the binaries |
| 02:31.01 | diazee | Cool, thanks for the help! |
| 02:31.08 | fsmithred | you might need to specify the version |
| 02:31.11 | gnarface | no problem |
| 02:31.27 | gnarface | if the build doesn't work, you might have to recursively get dependencies first |
| 02:31.36 | gnarface | if that doesn't work, i can't help |
| 02:32.00 | diazee | Haha, if it gets that complicated I'll probably just install the dependacies manually and build it form source |
| 02:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/hexchat |
| 02:32.16 | gnarface | in general you can use the debian documentation for this type of thing except where they've recently changed anything to be systemd-specific |
| 02:34.28 | fsmithred | apt-get source package=version |
| 02:34.39 | fsmithred | apt-get build-dep (I think that's right) |
| 02:35.03 | fsmithred | then mess with it, then build it |
| 02:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: you seen my link? |
| 02:36.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | highly convenient and recommended (SASL) |
| 02:36.30 | fsmithred | I see it, but I don't understand what it is |
| 02:36.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | how to config hexchat so you are immanently authenticated on connect |
| 02:37.28 | fsmithred | ok, read it again and it makes sense |
| 02:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no more /msg nickserv ID MyPassWoRd |
| 02:37.33 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 02:38.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | no more [2018-04-21 Sat 04:19:53] <-- fsmithred (~fsmithred@68-184-46-18.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has left this server (Changing host). |
| 02:40.07 | fsmithred | done, thanks |
| 02:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :- |
| 02:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 02:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang VNC |
| 02:40.43 | fsmithred | hands DocScrutinizer05 a roll of duct tape |
| 02:43.23 | diazee | Well that was easy. Sometimes I forget to just give up an reinstall. |
| 02:43.33 | fsmithred | diazee, oldie but goodie: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 02:43.49 | fsmithred | you fixed it? |
| 02:44.33 | diazee | Yeah, I downloaded the ascii netinst iso and just installed over again. I have seperate partitions for home and stuff so it's nto bad even with encryption only takes a few extra steps. |
| 02:44.48 | fsmithred | that was fast |
| 02:45.35 | diazee | m2 ssd to my rescue ha |
| 02:45.54 | fsmithred | oh, that helps |
| 02:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: maybe you want to test it? reconnect to freenode |
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| 02:54.36 | fsmithred | did it work? |
| 02:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks good |
| 02:54.54 | fsmithred | ok, I didn't get anything that said I was recognized |
| 02:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2018-04-21 Sat 04:54:19] --> fsmithred (~fsmithred@devuan/developer/fsmithred) has joined this channel. |
| 02:55.32 | fsmithred | cool |
| 02:55.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're recognized when you are allowed to connect |
| 02:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's sort of like ssh |
| 02:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you connect you already are authenticated |
| 02:57.45 | diazee | Hmm, is there somewhere where I can search through the ceres packages? I swear I was on it earlier but the git labs thing isn't pulling up the package. |
| 02:58.44 | fsmithred | http://info.devuan.mine.nu/ |
| 02:58.55 | diazee | Perfect thank you! |
| 03:14.12 | fsmithred | g'night folks |
| 03:14.21 | diazee | Thanks for all the help! |
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| 04:09.51 | xrogaan | do java security updates get ported over into the repository? |
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| 04:24.48 | abramovich | hi so I am not on LAN. I am on WLAN. How to make my wifi adapter work on Devuan before and after install? I have this problem with some distros where I can list wifi network but cant connect to them |
| 04:25.22 | abramovich | any tips for a brother? I am running Arch btw, but hoping to switch from this systemd nonsense |
| 04:34.07 | Criggie | lazy fix is to plug in an ethernet cable while installing, then set up wireless later. |
| 04:34.17 | Criggie | during install? I don't know sorry. |
| 04:35.12 | abramovich | Criggie: sad |
| 04:35.25 | abramovich | brb buying ethernet cable |
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| 04:45.25 | Criggie | buy? WTF is buy ethernet ? |
| 04:45.30 | Criggie | it just randomly turns up here |
| 04:45.45 | Criggie | I have hundreds of patch cables |
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| 09:24.16 | aitor | moin moin |
| 09:25.11 | aitor | today i'll push to gitlab the latest sources of my blend for the live-sdk |
| 09:27.56 | aitor | btw, the packages of clamav don't exist: |
| 09:27.57 | aitor | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/c/clamav/ |
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| 09:42.49 | fsmithred | aitor, it's not a devuan package. We don't alter it. |
| 09:45.01 | aitor | ok |
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| 11:19.49 | ejr | when I try to transfer an image of a 32 bit devuan installation onto another ssd and use that on a 64 bit computer, can I (1) boot into the system and (2) recompile the kernel afterwards for 64 bit? |
| 11:23.20 | muep | haven't ever tried that but it to me it sounds like something that can be done |
| 11:25.42 | ejr | muep: how likely is it that I will be able to boot into the 32 bit install on a 64 computer though? does that usually work? I want to prevent spending 2 hours copying lots of gigs over to the other ssd and then not being able to boot into it |
| 11:26.05 | muep | ejr: usually that step would work just fine |
| 11:26.10 | fsmithred | yes, you can run 32 bit OS on 64-bit hardware |
| 11:26.30 | muep | the common 64-bit CPUs are backwards-compatible and able to run also 32-bit code just fine |
| 11:26.35 | fsmithred | you can even run 64 kernel with 32 OS, but it will still be a 32-bit OS |
| 11:26.47 | ejr | oh, that's great :) |
| 11:26.50 | ejr | good to know |
| 11:26.51 | ejr | thanks! |
| 11:26.52 | fsmithred | there are a lot of arch-specific packages |
| 11:27.21 | muep | I don't see much point in changing that kernel. usually would be less of a hassle to just do a new 64-bit installation |
| 11:27.58 | muep | but of course your setup is certainly different from mine so YMMV |
| 11:28.37 | fsmithred | you might want to look at dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set selections |
| 11:28.58 | fsmithred | you can get a package list from one system and use it to install the same packages on another system |
| 11:30.04 | ejr | ok, thank you muep and fsmithred. I will also look into the dpkg option |
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| 11:34.22 | nailyk | Hi all. Does an official devuan mastodon account exist ? |
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| 12:17.51 | aitor | i need to do pinning of apt for linux-image-* in jessie-security in order to avoid the replacement of linux-libre |
| 12:19.56 | aitor | need to reboot, i'll be back later |
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| 20:12.47 | aitor | hi i'm building again the repository of gnuinos with amprolla, replacing devuan-baseconf by gnuinos-baseconf |
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| 20:29.08 | aitor | done :) |
| 20:29.18 | aitor | i'm trying again with the live-sdk |
| 20:29.20 | aitor | bbl |
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| 23:30.14 | aitor | hi again, any owl here? |
| 23:30.30 | furrywolf | is wolf, not owl |
| 23:30.46 | aitor | lol |
| 23:30.58 | g4570n | hi aitor |
| 23:31.36 | aitor | hi g4570n |
| 23:31.48 | aitor | any owl in their right mind here? |
| 23:32.47 | aitor | i pushed my blend of gnuinos to gitlab: |
| 23:32.50 | aitor | https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/live-sdk/tree/master |
| 23:34.24 | aitor | some extra packages are missing in the generated image, like xinit... |
| 23:35.10 | aitor | but the live image works, containing vdev instead of udev |
| 23:35.35 | aitor | and d-i also builds succesfully |
| 23:36.44 | aitor | g4570n -> #devuan-mx |
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| 23:53.49 | aitor | you have all the build dependencies in the README.aitor file |
| 23:54.43 | aitor | it's tested in amd64: |
| 23:54.54 | aitor | su (or sudo su) |
| 23:55.03 | aitor | zsh -f |
| 23:55.15 | aitor | load devuan amd64 gnuinos-openbox |
| 23:55.27 | aitor | build_iso_dist |