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| 17:02.00 | thattomguy | hello? |
| 17:02.09 | ark | hi! |
| 17:02.52 | thattomguy | So, brand new to Devuan. |
| 17:03.33 | thattomguy | But i can't stand Debian's systemd by default anymore, looking to Gentoo and various BSDs |
| 17:04.00 | thattomguy | I wanted to ask. Is Devuan stable enough to be used in production? |
| 17:04.01 | msiism | thattomguy: and how is that looking back? |
| 17:04.42 | thattomguy | msiism, sorry can you rephrase that? i don't understand your question |
| 17:05.42 | msiism | thattomguy: i was just interested in how looking into gentoo and the bsd's looked back. (nietzsche-inspired kidding involved) |
| 17:06.01 | msiism | thattomguy: about debian: jessie is rock solid from ym experience and from what i've heard so far. |
| 17:06.07 | msiism | i mean devuan, sorry |
| 17:06.16 | thattomguy | Gentoo works for development and desktop usage, but it's rather complex for a tech to debug should something go seriously wrong. |
| 17:07.09 | thattomguy | Gentoo is really stable when properly cared for but not something I'd want to debug across a fleet |
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| 17:07.44 | thattomguy | migrating applications to OpenBSD would be a rather laborious process. |
| 17:08.15 | msiism | thattomguy: i can imagine. |
| 17:08.39 | msiism | thattomguy: do you have devuan running in some machine already? |
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| 17:08.43 | thattomguy | I do love me some OpenBSD in my environment but it sadly can not do everything |
| 17:09.06 | thattomguy | msiism, I'm downloading the torrent right now. |
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| 17:09.51 | thattomguy | I read some articles on Devuan from last year saying it wasn't totally complete. so i wanted to ask around here for you people's perspective |
| 17:10.15 | thattomguy | *rough around the edges* |
| 17:10.39 | cirdan | thattomguy: there's a few guys in #zfsonlinux that use gentoo, even for servers |
| 17:10.41 | msiism | thattomguy: i think i know the article you're talking about. iirc that was a review of jessie beta |
| 17:10.55 | cirdan | they have a binary distro but i'd rather use debian/devuan w/o systemd |
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| 17:11.39 | thattomguy | I've had issues with Debian with systemd removed. |
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| 17:12.57 | thattomguy | Is OpenRC working yet with Devuan? |
| 17:13.26 | msiism | thattomguy: https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/83514.html |
| 17:13.35 | specing | I use |
| 17:13.37 | specing | Gentoo |
| 17:13.39 | specing | but I want out |
| 17:13.43 | thattomguy | msiism, yeah that's the one |
| 17:13.52 | msiism | thattomguy: it is only really available in ascii, afaik. |
| 17:14.28 | msiism | thattomguy: installing ascii, you can get it using the expert install. |
| 17:15.01 | msiism | thattomguy: jessie just uses sysvinit. |
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| 17:15.38 | thattomguy | eh, good enough. I could probably wait for OpenRC in a release |
| 17:15.46 | thattomguy | I'm glad you guys exist |
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| 17:18.43 | golinux | thattomguy: It depends what you consider to be "systemd removed". IIRC Debian does it with a shim thingie. |
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| 17:21.19 | msiism | thattomguy: nice to see new users coming in. |
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| 17:25.23 | thattomguy | It's really neat your provide a TOR APT repo |
| 17:25.28 | thattomguy | *you |
| 17:25.56 | msiism | thattomguy: are you, by saying that, confirming it works? |
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| 17:26.38 | thattomguy | Well, i have not tested it with APT yet, but i can browser it perfectly well with a browser |
| 17:28.25 | KatolaZ | thattomguy: please consider that Devuan repos are merged from Debian |
| 17:28.40 | KatolaZ | so you won't see all the packages there |
| 17:28.58 | KatolaZ | since those which are not forked from Debian are retrieved from Debian directly |
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| 17:55.10 | nemo | KatolaZ: debian has no tor repos right |
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| 17:56.04 | nemo | https://guardianproject.info/2016/07/31/howto-get-all-your-debian-packages-via-tor-onion-services/ |
| 17:56.14 | cirdan | haha i just clicked on that |
| 17:57.41 | cirdan | also https://onion.debian.org |
| 17:58.21 | cirdan | see the bottom of that page |
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| 18:13.11 | KatolaZ | nemo: ? |
| 18:13.27 | KatolaZ | debian has an onion service |
| 18:16.40 | nemo | yeah. I just learned that |
| 18:16.41 | nemo | well cool |
| 18:16.44 | nemo | those fit together nicely |
| 18:16.49 | nemo | don't need it really, but nice to know |
| 18:17.02 | nemo | I know someone who would appreciate it who is in a craptastic country |
| 18:21.47 | cirdan | the usa? |
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