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09:06.35 | KnoF | hi |
09:06.50 | KnoF | any idea when devuan is going to get binutils 2.2.6? |
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09:07.02 | KnoF | or 2.26 |
09:08.10 | gnarface | 2.28 should be in ascii already |
09:08.18 | KnoF | oh |
09:08.18 | gnarface | i'm seeing 2.30 in ceres |
09:08.38 | KnoF | im using jessie but i have both the repositories for ascii and ceres aswell |
09:08.57 | KnoF | -t ascii or -t ceres with apt when upgrading? |
09:09.08 | gnarface | i've never tried it that way |
09:09.10 | gnarface | it might work |
09:09.23 | KnoF | ok, thanks |
09:09.27 | KnoF | cheers |
09:10.02 | KnoF | one more thing, im using the official wine repository for wine |
09:10.09 | KnoF | need to install wine32 |
09:10.29 | gnarface | and you're on amd64? |
09:10.33 | KnoF | yes |
09:10.35 | gnarface | you probably need to enable multiarch |
09:10.42 | gnarface | then the i386 packages will appear |
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09:10.53 | gnarface | (you'll be able to see them in the repos) |
09:10.56 | KnoF | can anyone on ceres or ascii try apt-get install wine32 |
09:11.08 | KnoF | just to see if there are any dependancies that are unmet |
09:11.29 | gnarface | you probably don't want to just install that one |
09:11.42 | gnarface | you probably want to install the "wine" "wine-development" or "wine-staging" metapackage |
09:11.54 | KnoF | oh, thank you again |
09:11.56 | KnoF | going to try |
09:11.58 | gnarface | that will get the 32-bit and 64-bit stuff at once |
09:12.01 | KnoF | brb reboot |
09:12.06 | gnarface | but do make sure you enable multiarch first |
09:12.10 | gnarface | *and* re-run apt-get update |
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09:17.31 | KnoF | sorry for leaving so abruptly :) |
09:17.37 | KnoF | and thank you again for the information |
09:19.29 | KnoF | The following packages have unmet dependencies: wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 (= 3.0-1) but it is not going to be installed |
09:19.33 | KnoF | im getting this |
09:22.08 | KnoF | actually wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: libasound2-plugins:i386 but it is not going to be installed |
09:22.18 | KnoF | any way i can install an older version |
09:22.34 | KnoF | the previous line i pasted was with the debian repositories aswell |
09:22.40 | KnoF | this one is only devuans |
09:22.50 | KnoF | thanks |
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09:45.37 | KnoF | anyone? |
09:46.50 | KnoF | i tried winehq-devel:i386, winehq-staging:i386, winehq-stable:i386 and wine32 |
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09:53.31 | Walex | KnoF: have you enabled multiarch? Added the i386 arch? |
09:54.54 | KnoF | yeah |
09:55.06 | KnoF | dpkg -i add-architecture i386 you mean |
09:55.14 | KnoF | not sure if that -i |
09:55.19 | KnoF | is there :) |
09:55.58 | Walex | KnoF: also verify with 'apt-cache policy wine' etc. |
09:56.01 | KnoF | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
09:56.43 | KnoF | root@Loki:/home/andraz# apt-cache policy wine wine: Installed: 1.6.2-20 Candidate: 1.6.2-20 Version table: 1.8.7-2~bpo8+1 0 100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports/main amd64 Packages *** 1.6.2-20 0 500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
09:57.58 | Walex | KnoF: so what's the problem now? |
09:58.45 | KnoF | im sorry im not that computer savvy |
09:58.55 | KnoF | i just want to install the 32 bit version from any repo |
09:59.10 | Walex | KnoF: that's now how it works... |
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09:59.54 | KnoF | oh :) |
10:00.02 | KnoF | thanks for taking the time |
10:00.08 | Walex | KnoF: if you have a 64b Devuan install you have to install the 64b version. Then it internally will do both the 64b and 32b Windows API |
10:00.19 | KnoF | well |
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10:00.35 | KnoF | the 64bit version gives me an error when trying to install some piece of software |
10:00.39 | Walex | KnoF: the 'amd64'/'i386' is the binary that implements WINE |
10:01.17 | Walex | KnoF: also note that since you have enabled trhe backports, you have available both the 1.6.2 and 1.8.7 versions of WINE |
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10:02.25 | KnoF | wine: Bad EXE format for Z:\home\andraz\Downloads\PathOfExileInstaller.exe. |
10:03.08 | Walex | KnoF: do 'file ~/Downloads\PathOfExileInstaller.exe' what does it say? |
10:03.57 | KnoF | PathOfExileInstaller.exe: PE32 executable (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS Windows |
10:04.10 | KnoF | its no biggie |
10:04.13 | Walex | KnoF: so that's right... |
10:06.05 | Walex | KnoF: 'apt-cache search wine1.8' |
10:06.14 | Walex | KnoF: 'apt-cache search 1.6' |
10:06.22 | Walex | KnoF: 'apt-cache search wine1.6' I mean |
10:06.51 | Walex | KnoF: you should be getting somethjing like http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9YqZSDnBYn/ |
10:07.07 | KnoF | root@Loki:/home/andraz/Downloads# apt-cache search wine1.6 winehq-devel - WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS Windows programs winehq-stable - WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS Windows programs winehq-staging - WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS Windows programs |
10:07.15 | Walex | that's coold |
10:07.27 | Walex | KnoF: have you got 'pastebinit' installed? |
10:07.43 | Walex | KnoF: if not pls install it |
10:07.54 | KnoF | sure ill paste to pastebin |
10:07.58 | KnoF | sorry for messing up the chat |
10:08.09 | Walex | KnoF: 'pastebin.com' not so good... |
10:08.34 | Walex | KnoF: paste.debian.net or use the 'pastebinit' command |
10:09.00 | Walex | the output of: 'sudo apt-get --dry-run install --reinstall wine1.6' |
10:09.11 | Walex | and of: 'sudo apt-get --dry-run install --reinstall wine1.8' |
10:11.37 | KnoF | https://pastebin.com/DgxejWGH |
10:12.16 | KnoF | https://pastebin.com/BubYSTZ8 |
10:14.40 | Walex | KnoF: I guess writing "'pastebin.com' not so good... paste.debian.net or use the 'pastebinit' command" was wasted time... |
10:15.07 | KnoF | im still checking the manpage for pastebinit :) |
10:16.21 | Walex | KnoF: that result is rather worrying because the installation candidates are for 'sid' |
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10:18.35 | Walex | KnoF: which version of Devuan have you got? |
10:19.31 | Walex | KnoF: you cannot quite mix-and-match archives for different versions just like that. |
10:19.38 | KnoF | https://pastebin.com/GdyzRZkF |
10:19.45 | KnoF | this is what i have in my sources.list |
10:19.56 | KnoF | i installed from a cd |
10:20.00 | Walex | KnoF: earlier you said that you have Debian Jessie plus the ASCII and Ceres repos, is that the case? |
10:20.00 | KnoF | jessie |
10:20.07 | KnoF | yes |
10:20.18 | KnoF | actually ill paste the whole of it |
10:20.24 | Walex | Your sources.list is really not right |
10:21.03 | KnoF | https://pastebin.com/gQ5WWugs |
10:21.22 | KnoF | i only have packages installed for jessie and everything was from jessie repositories |
10:21.34 | KnoF | except for binutils which is from ceres |
10:21.59 | gnarface | it's probably a really bad idea to mix repos like that, i should have said something about it |
10:22.15 | Walex | KnoF: a bit of a mess. You actually have Devuan Jessie rather than Debian Jessie, plus a bit of a mess. |
10:23.01 | KnoF | :) |
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10:24.07 | Walex | KnoF: you should eliminate the 'experimental' bits, if you really wants bit of 'ceres' you should use pinning, eliminate everything related to 'stretch', 'testing' and 'sid' |
10:24.21 | Walex | KnoF: and 'wheezy' of course. |
10:25.12 | Walex | KnoF: and don't use VirtualBox but LibVirt/QEMU/KVM, as an aside. |
10:29.52 | Walex | KnoF: try this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pc9vbYzfYh/ |
10:30.57 | KnoF | thanks :) |
10:31.17 | Walex | KnoF: and then: 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get --dry-run install --reinstall wine' |
10:31.53 | gnarface | KnoF: if you want wine 3.x i think you need ceres. it might be in backports but i'm not sure |
10:32.22 | gnarface | it will be the package called "wine-development" though |
10:32.28 | gnarface | not "wine" (that one is like 1.6 or something) |
10:32.37 | Walex | gnarface: baby steps: let's first ensure he got something sensible, a known state. |
10:32.51 | KnoF | sec :) |
10:32.53 | KnoF | ill paste |
10:33.27 | Walex | gnarface: then yes, he can enable from WINEhq he can enable 'debian-jessie-development' instead of 'jessie' |
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10:42.00 | KnoF | https://pastebin.com/Nj0hbPYe |
10:42.03 | Walex | KnoF: if you want to enable semi-safe mix of some "ceres" packages ensure that you have 'Default-Release: "jessie"' in the APT stanza of '/etc/apt/apt.conf' and/or pin release "ceres" to something like 200 in '/etc/apt/preferences' |
10:42.06 | KnoF | i guess im out of luck |
10:42.30 | KnoF | oh i will have to read about apt first |
10:42.50 | KnoF | i would prefer to have ceres all the way |
10:43.02 | KnoF | like on my lappy |
10:43.28 | Walex | KnoF: then replace the main repo version with 'ceres' and do a 'dist-upgrade' |
10:43.52 | Walex | KnoF: anyhow the 'apt-get install's you did not necessarily the right way to do it. |
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10:45.11 | Walex | KnoF: also there is a bit of a mess as in "you have held broken packages" |
10:45.35 | Walex | KnoF: I note also that you have a persistent "but I know better" approach. |
10:45.50 | KnoF | no no not at all |
10:46.05 | KnoF | im glad you are taking the time |
10:46.16 | KnoF | and thanks for all the help untill now |
10:48.29 | Walex | KnoF: try again: apt-get install -t jessie --dry-run --reinstall --ignore-hold wine | pastebinit' |
10:48.33 | KnoF | i have exhausted what i know about the system so i came here seeking help |
10:49.13 | Walex | KnoF: then why are you continuing to use 'pastebin.com' instead of 'paste.debian.net' etc. and you did not use '--dry-run' or '--reinstall'? |
10:50.44 | Walex | KnoF: also 'apt-cache policy libpulse0:i386 libasound2-plugins:i386' |
10:51.31 | Walex | KnoF: also I mentioned before that 'winehq-staging:i386' etc is not the right thing |
10:52.06 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018257/ |
10:53.39 | Walex | KnoF: again: apt-get install -t jessie --dry-run --reinstall --ignore-hold wine |
10:54.33 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018259/ |
10:54.34 | Walex | KnoF: the 'apt-cache policy libpulse0:i386 libasound2-plugins:i386' said that they are available, so the question is why APT is not going to install them. There is some breakage... |
10:55.23 | Walex | KnoF: that looks pretty good, at least for installing 1.6.2 which is a first step |
10:55.42 | Walex | KnoF: so I would do: apt-get install -t jessie --reinstall --ignore-hold wine |
10:56.28 | Walex | then you can try again with your '.exe' and if that still does now work we can try using one of the WINEhq packages for Jessie instead of the 1.6.2 from 'jessie-backports' |
10:57.15 | Walex | Oops, I mant 1.8.7 not 1.6.2 |
10:58.04 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018260/ |
10:58.52 | Walex | KnoF: so I would do: apt-get install -t jessie --reinstall --ignore-hold wine32 |
10:59.45 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018261/ |
11:00.26 | Walex | KnoF: apt-cache policy libwine:i386 |
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11:01.14 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018262/ |
11:02.19 | Walex | KnoF: oops, silly me... |
11:02.44 | Walex | KnoF: so I would do: apt-get install -t jessie-backports --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64 wine32 |
11:03.27 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018263/ |
11:03.29 | Walex | KnoF: the '-t jessie' was wrong for this install, because we are actually targeting as I said above the 1.8.7 in the 'jessie-backports' archive. |
11:04.02 | Walex | KnoF: hard to believe that paste... |
11:04.32 | Walex | KnoF: because the 'apt-cache policy' said it was available' |
11:04.55 | Walex | KnoF: let's try again with: pt-get install -t jessie-backports --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64 wine32 |
11:04.55 | KnoF | :( |
11:05.09 | Walex | KnoF: let's try again with: pt-get install -t jessie-backports --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64 wine32 libwine:i386 |
11:05.12 | Walex | oops |
11:05.42 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018265/ |
11:06.17 | Walex | BTW 'wine' is the 'amd64' package for WINE, 'wine64' and 'wine32' are the 'amd64' packages for the 64b and 32b MS-WIndows APIs, and 'libwine:i386' is the implementation of 'wine32; |
11:06.33 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018266/ |
11:07.11 | Walex | KnoF: add 'libpulse0:i386' to the end... |
11:08.09 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018267/ |
11:08.13 | Walex | KnoF: I can't understand why '--ignore-hold' etc is not quite working. I suspect that '-t jessie-backports' is a bit too restrictive, but then I am trying to avoid explicit pinning. |
11:08.55 | Walex | KnoF: same without '-t jessie-backports' just to double check |
11:09.37 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018268/ |
11:09.52 | Walex | KnoF: mixing archives without pinning is not a nice thing |
11:10.55 | Walex | KnoF: let's try again with: pt-get install -t jessie-backports --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64 wine32 libwine:i386 libpulse0:i386 libdbus-1-3:i386 |
11:11.16 | Walex | I hate that, but whatever. I suspect your package status is not entirely "clean". |
11:11.35 | Walex | KnoF: because 'jessie-backports' should play nice. |
11:11.41 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018271/ |
11:13.54 | Walex | KnoF: add 'dbus:i386' |
11:14.34 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018272/ |
11:15.25 | Walex | KnoF: there is something else that blocks this. We may need to undo some stuff.... |
11:16.05 | Walex | KnoF: do 'apt-get install aptitude; aptitude search '~i~ri386' to see which 'i386' packages are already installed |
11:17.44 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018273/ |
11:18.12 | Walex | KnoF: BTW I usually like 'aptitude' because of those nice search expressions, I have written a small guide here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html?130414#130414 |
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11:19.00 | Walex | KnoF: why did you install 'gcc-4.9-base:i386'? Or just accidental? |
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11:19.16 | KnoF | i upgraded it from ceres binutils needed it |
11:19.33 | Walex | KnoF: but why the 'i386' version? |
11:19.51 | Walex | KnoF: that does not quitre figure... |
11:20.22 | Walex | KnoF: aptitude search '~ngcc-4.9-base' |
11:21.05 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018275/ |
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11:23.00 | Walex | aptitude search '~i~Rdepends:gcc-4.9-base:i386 |
11:23.04 | Walex | aptitude search '~i~Rdepends:gcc-4.9-base:i386' |
11:24.11 | KnoF | empty line |
11:24.12 | Walex | KnoF: also to double check what's there: aptitude search '~i~nwine' |
11:24.42 | Walex | KnoF: apt-get remove --dry-run gcc-4.9-base:i386 |
11:24.49 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018276/ |
11:25.19 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018277/ |
11:25.56 | Walex | KnoF: BTW I hope you are getting what the commands mean and following ther logic of what I am suggesting |
11:26.52 | KnoF | --dry-run = do nothing but do some output, ignore_hold im not quite sure what it does |
11:27.25 | Walex | KnoF: also the search expressions in 'aptitude' |
11:28.09 | Walex | KnoF: so now: 'apt-get remove --purge gcc-4.9-base:i386' |
11:29.07 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018278/ |
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11:29.14 | Walex | KnoF: then 'apt-get remove --dry-run wine wine64 winetricks q4wine libwine fonts-wine libwine-gecko-2.21' |
11:29.50 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018279/ |
11:29.54 | Walex | KnoF: that 'remove' went well, has cleared up a few 'i386' things. |
11:30.26 | Walex | KnoF: then 'apt-get remove --purge wine wine64 winetricks q4wine libwine fonts-wine libwine-gecko-2.21' |
11:31.29 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018280/ |
11:31.54 | Walex | KnoF: let's try again with: apt-get install --reinstall --ignore-hold --dry-run wine wine64 wine32 |
11:32.56 | Walex | KnoF: just to be sure, please paste again the 'sources.list' and also 'ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/' |
11:33.00 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018281/ |
11:34.03 | Walex | KnoF: let's try again with: apt-get install --dry-run wine wine64 wine32 |
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11:34.24 | Walex | KnoF: All the packages it says "are not going to be installed" it actualy has them... |
11:34.40 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018282/ |
11:35.38 | Walex | KnoF: pls comment out just to be sure also the 'deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ jessie main' line |
11:37.59 | Walex | is perplexed perhaps '--reinstall' refuses to install new dependencies? |
11:38.19 | KnoF | there, ran apt-get update |
11:38.24 | KnoF | with that line commented out |
11:38.28 | KnoF | the last one? |
11:38.40 | KnoF | apt-get install --dry-run wine wine64 wine32 |
11:38.45 | Walex | yes try that.... |
11:39.25 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018284/ |
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11:41.13 | Walex | KnoF: aptitude search '~b|~o|~ahold' |
11:41.57 | Walex | KnoF: I don't understand why it does not resolve the dependencies on the 'i386' packages. Anything that you have done in the past that might be related? |
11:42.21 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018285/ |
11:42.53 | Walex | KnoF: also try as a double check: apt-get install --dry-run dash:i386 |
11:43.23 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018287/ |
11:43.50 | KnoF | wine was the only i386 thing i ever needed |
11:45.31 | Walex | KnoF: the outpout of "aptitude search '~b|~o|~ahold'" is not good at all. |
11:45.59 | Walex | KnoF: there are several broken packages, plus 'systemd' is installed, which is heretical |
11:46.15 | KnoF | reinstall? |
11:46.28 | KnoF | this isnt a production machine |
11:46.43 | Walex | KnoF: it can be fixed, as the damage is not pervasive. |
11:47.22 | Walex | KnoF: but it is really not goot that both 'libc6' and 'libc6:i386' are "broken", even if obviously not fatally. |
11:47.51 | Walex | KnoF: I suspect that installing 'gcc' from the "ceres" archive did not work that well. |
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11:49.19 | Walex | KnoF: that can be fixed, but you said that you actually wanted to have 'ceres' so maybe a reinstall to 'ceres' would be nice. |
11:49.29 | KnoF | :) |
11:49.52 | KnoF | any way that can be done without formatting? |
11:50.15 | KnoF | apt-get -t ceres dist-upgrade would do the trick? |
11:50.33 | Walex | KnoF: ideally in two steps: first bring back everything to 'jessie' though |
11:51.10 | Walex | KnoF: then switch the 'sources.list' to "ceres" and do the 'dist-upgrade' and pray :-) |
11:51.23 | KnoF | :) |
11:51.59 | Walex | KnoF: let's try resetting 'binutils', 'gcc' and their dependencies back to 'jessie' |
11:54.00 | KnoF | apt-get --reinstall gcc binutils -t jessie? |
11:54.08 | Walex | KnoF: apt-get --dry-run -t jessie install --reinstall binutils gcc binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu gcc-4.9-base gcc-4.9-base:i386 libbinutils libc-l10n libc6 libc6:i386 libgcc1 libgcc1:i386 libuuid1 libuuid1:i386 |
11:54.54 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018289/ |
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11:55.49 | KnoF | ive done something wrong |
11:55.52 | KnoF | lemme do it again :) |
11:56.20 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018290/ |
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11:59.03 | Walex | KnoF: aptitude --simulate remove '~i~ri386' |
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11:59.51 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018291/ |
12:00.27 | Walex | KnoF: apt-get --dry-run remove gcc-4.9-base:i386 libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 libuuid1:i386 |
12:00.59 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018293/ |
12:01.30 | Walex | KnoF: uhmm |
12:02.15 | Walex | KnoF: dpkg -C |
12:02.30 | KnoF | empty line |
12:03.10 | Walex | aptitude search '~b' |
12:03.55 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018294/ |
12:04.23 | Walex | I don't get why 'aptitude' reports as broken some non-installed "p" in first column packages. |
12:05.24 | Walex | KnoF: apt-get --dry-run -t jessie install --reinstall binutils gcc binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu gcc-4.9-base gcc-4.9-base libbinutils libc6 libgcc1 libuuid1 |
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12:05.55 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018295/ |
12:06.02 | Walex | KnoF: actually let's for the time being just remove 'binutils' |
12:06.41 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018296/ |
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12:07.27 | Walex | KnoF: remove '--reinstall' |
12:08.00 | Walex | KnoF: the problem is 'libc6' being broken, that is a big blocker |
12:08.08 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018298/ |
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12:09.08 | Walex | KnoF: dpkg -l '*binutils*' '*gcc*' | cat |
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12:09.43 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018300/ |
12:12.30 | Walex | KnoF: dpkg --simulate --purge binutils binutils-common:amd64 binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu gcc-4.9-base:amd64 libbinutils:amd64 |
12:13.11 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018301/ |
12:14.25 | Walex | KnoF: oh what a mess... |
12:15.47 | Walex | KnoF: apt-cache policy gcc-4.9-base libgcc1:amd64 libstdc++6:amd64 |
12:16.05 | Walex | KnoF: that mixing "ceres" in was not totally a good idea... |
12:16.18 | Walex | KnoF: however let's try a different approach |
12:16.20 | KnoF | http://paste.debian.net/1018302/ |
12:16.23 | fsmithred | jessie and ceres are pretty far apart |
12:16.57 | Walex | fsmithred: there are "bad people" in this channels, some even have 'systemd' running :-) |
12:17.06 | fsmithred | might be better to go to ascii first, then possibly pull in some things from beowulf and ceres |
12:17.26 | fsmithred | I'm not fully awake yet. Don't confuse me. |
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12:19.30 | Walex | KnoF: frankly I would rather you reinstalled to 'ceres'. As "fsmithred" says jumping directly from "jessie" to "ceres" is a bit optimistic, even if perhaps less of a mess then a mixed "jessie" and "ceres" |
12:19.54 | KnoF | apt-get -t ceres dist-upgrade -y |
12:19.59 | KnoF | ? |
12:20.20 | Walex | KnoF: if you are willing to risk it... |
12:20.25 | KnoF | sure why not :) |
12:20.50 | Walex | KnoF: then change the sources and try... |
12:21.34 | KnoF | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ceres main |
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12:21.41 | Walex | KnoF: you may have to add '--force-yes' too |
12:21.42 | KnoF | this and any other source= |
12:21.59 | Walex | KnoF: you may want to comment out the 'backports' |
12:22.13 | fsmithred | more work has been done on ascii than on beowulf or ceres, so there are more devuanized packages in ascii (and some later versions in ascii than in beowulf/ceres) |
12:22.19 | Walex | KnoF: and perhaps 'proposed' |
12:23.07 | Walex | fsmithred: our "KnoF" is a bit of an apprentice sorcerer, adding "sources" at semi-random :-) |
12:23.29 | Walex | but wisdom hopefully can be learned :-) |
12:23.37 | fsmithred | kinda like skiing the moguls |
12:24.21 | KnoF | no dependancy problems :) |
12:24.54 | KnoF | :))) |
12:24.57 | Walex | KnoF: what you should have done with WINE was to just add the 'jessie' source from WINEhq or better rely on the one in 'jessie-backports'; same for 'binutils' etc. There is a reason why there is a '...-backports' archive :-) |
12:24.59 | fsmithred | you just upgraded to ceres? |
12:25.11 | Walex | KnoF: you may be lucky |
12:25.45 | fsmithred | oh, I just noticed - you should probably switch from auto.mirror.devuan.org to either pkgmaster.devuan.org or deb.devuan.org (the last one will pick a mirror near you) |
12:26.13 | KnoF | downloading with full speed |
12:26.15 | fsmithred | auto.mirror doesn't update as often as the others |
12:26.16 | KnoF | ill put those in |
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12:30.21 | KnoF | thanks for the patience and everything |
12:32.13 | KnoF | fsmithred: yeah, it went along fine :) |
12:32.25 | KnoF | its just a big download |
12:34.32 | KnoF | oh neat, it kept firefox esr instead of going for the new one :) |
12:41.22 | Walex | is praying for "KnoF"'s upgrade :-) |
12:42.14 | KnoF | dont worry :) |
12:42.20 | KnoF | it will work just fine :) |
12:42.36 | KnoF | only time apt let me down was around 2012 |
12:42.42 | Walex | KnoF: says the guy that so far has created a frankendevuan :-) |
12:42.55 | KnoF | hehe :) |
12:42.59 | KnoF | it was not my intention |
12:43.23 | KnoF | i will try to remove systemd :) |
12:43.51 | KnoF | last time i had this scenario the machine went haywire |
12:44.14 | KnoF | got a minimal terminal with very few commands |
12:45.23 | fsmithred | is this an upgrade from debian to devuan? |
12:45.34 | KnoF | yeah :) |
12:45.40 | Walex | KnoF: you can't jut remove it, you need 'systemd-shim' as well as the old 'init'. I think the Wiki says how to switch from Debian jessie to Devuan jessie |
12:45.54 | Walex | fsmithred: told you there are "bad people" in the channel :-) |
12:46.10 | fsmithred | the way I did it was install sysvinit, reboot, change sources, update/upgrade, reboot, remove systemd |
12:46.14 | KnoF | it was an upgrade from debian 6 |
12:46.20 | KnoF | well i upgraded |
12:46.32 | KnoF | but the cd image is from 6.0 |
12:46.44 | Walex | fsmithred: this is a Debian->Devuan, then partial "ceres" install, then "madness". |
12:47.09 | fsmithred | squeeze? |
12:47.47 | grillon | love devuan |
12:47.52 | KnoF | 6.0 didnt have system.d i think |
12:47.55 | grillon | hi there |
12:47.57 | KnoF | hi |
12:48.26 | Walex | KnoF: not by default, but it had it as an option (for pervs of course :->) |
12:48.51 | KnoF | i dont like the bit where it does networking |
12:48.52 | fsmithred | there was system available in wheezy |
12:49.21 | KnoF | but im an illiterate, some friend suggested devuan and i went for it :) |
12:49.31 | Walex | KnoF: I don't like the bit where it does everything, and half-assedly :-) |
12:49.42 | fsmithred | lol, yeah, that |
12:50.54 | Walex | rages against "hipster software" even if L Poettering does not look like a hipster |
12:52.08 | fsmithred | KnoF, is this an old system, or did you just decide to start with an old CD? |
12:55.20 | KnoF | old :) |
12:55.29 | KnoF | then i used devuan cd |
12:55.40 | KnoF | then added devuan sources |
12:55.48 | KnoF | its a 9 year old pc |
12:55.54 | KnoF | for the kid |
12:55.57 | fsmithred | used the devuan CD for what? |
12:56.06 | fsmithred | that's newer than the rig I'm on now |
12:56.37 | KnoF | he is getting a new one next month but just so he gets used to linux |
12:56.46 | fsmithred | cool |
12:57.35 | KnoF | used the devuan cd to install xfce |
12:57.36 | KnoF | :) |
12:57.44 | fsmithred | I gave linux to a 9-year-old girl, and two weeks later she figured out how to install software |
12:58.14 | KnoF | but i promised i would make the game work as it works on my laptop :) |
12:58.46 | fsmithred | my gaming experience is pretty much limited to freecell |
12:59.06 | KnoF | he wants this path of exile game |
12:59.25 | KnoF | :) |
13:10.24 | cirdan | systemd isn't hipster, it's crappy trendy software. i's the real housewives of init systems |
13:10.36 | cirdan | korn shell is hipster. bsdi, etc :) |
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13:30.54 | KnoF | everything went along fine, now for a reboot :) |
13:30.56 | KnoF | bbl |
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15:08.50 | KnoF | hey all |
15:08.54 | KnoF | it worked :) |
15:09.04 | KnoF | removed half of xfce but it worked |
15:09.07 | KnoF | and some other programs |
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15:10.08 | fsmithred | why just half of xfce? |
15:10.27 | KnoF | some of it stayed :) |
15:10.42 | KnoF | dialogs are a bit weird |
15:10.52 | fsmithred | you're better off adding the parts individually. |
15:11.17 | KnoF | true |
15:11.19 | fsmithred | metapackages can make it difficult if you want to get rid of one thing |
15:11.35 | fsmithred | anyway, congrats |
15:11.41 | KnoF | thanks :) |
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15:14.28 | KnoF | brb |
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17:20.35 | debdog | oy! having a little issue after dist-upgrade to Ascii, xserver won't start. xorg.0.log: https://dpaste.de/EVj8/raw I'd appreciate any hint. |
17:20.35 | debdog | dunno if that matters here, but I encountered this issue and followed the instructions to solve it: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1950 |
17:21.26 | debdog | asider from the (EE)s at the log's bottom there is this line: |
17:21.26 | debdog | (EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: The name org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files |
17:21.37 | debdog | does this matter or can I ignore that? |
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17:22.48 | KnoF | hey all |
17:27.15 | debdog | translating the line "EE) modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: Permission denied" would help me greatly, I suppose. translating to what it's actually trying to do, mayhap something in /dev? |
17:27.39 | debdog | *accessing something in |
17:30.40 | baughj | uh, shooting in the dark but make sure your user can access /dev/dri/card0? (e.g. your user is in video group) |
17:32.47 | debdog | baughj: "video:x:44:ax" user is there |
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17:36.23 | baughj | what's the video card? |
17:39.54 | baughj | there's https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833182 but, it references a change using logind/systemd so I have very little idea what the equivalency in devuan is |
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17:40.49 | fsmithred | debdog, is this with or without a display manager? |
17:44.00 | fsmithred | systemd-logind error might possibly be corrected by adding elogind and/or libpam-elogind |
17:44.57 | debdog | fsmithred: no display manager. I start it from console with startx |
17:45.05 | fsmithred | ah, ok |
17:45.43 | fsmithred | up until recently, I needed to add 'needs_root_rights=yes' to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
17:45.57 | fsmithred | didn't need that last time I tried it |
17:46.35 | debdog | hmm, I intend to start it as a regular user, I should mention |
17:47.50 | debdog | Xwrapper.config only has one (active) line: allowed_users=console |
17:48.11 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8009#p8009 |
17:48.13 | debdog | for the elogind packages, are they required? |
17:48.31 | fsmithred | see that last link where I descibe how I did it a few weeks ago |
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17:49.08 | fsmithred | startx is the only way I can run X as user |
17:49.10 | divansantana_ | can someone paste a working sources.list for ascii? |
17:49.26 | debdog | lobpolkit... hmm. ok. let me boot into that broken system.... |
17:49.36 | fsmithred | isn't there a sources.list on front page of devuan.org? |
17:49.43 | godbed | <-- debdog's alter ego |
17:50.17 | fsmithred | lol |
17:50.33 | fsmithred | fine, as long as I don't have to read everything in a mirror |
17:50.58 | divansantana_ | getting errors like this https://pastebin.com/jsggq2JZ |
17:51.21 | fsmithred | divansantana_, use the one on devuan.org but replace jessie with ascii and auto.mirror.devuan.org with deb.devuan.org |
17:52.10 | fsmithred | there is no 'mirror.devuan.org' |
17:52.22 | fsmithred | it's 'auto.mirror.devuan.org' |
17:56.42 | divansantana_ | fsmithred: hmm. Did that used to exist? maybe I just broke it. Thanks! |
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18:00.02 | debdog | guess whoms xserver just started \o/ |
18:00.40 | debdog | prolly not using the 'right' driver yet, but I am one step further |
18:01.32 | debdog | irc client is butt ugly, though |
18:03.43 | debdog | "(EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: The name org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files" is gone fro the log |
18:03.58 | fsmithred | good |
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19:34.48 | grillon | thank you for the link on FL1100 NewGnuGuy |
19:34.55 | grillon | hi there |
19:36.19 | grillon | devuan ascii use 4.9 but I guess it should be good. |
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21:11.02 | KnoF | hi is there any way i can use r9 280x with devuan |
21:12.18 | KnoF | Apr 2 12:41:39 Loki kernel: [ 18.700020] radeon 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for radeon/tahiti_pfp.bin failed with error -2 Apr 2 12:41:39 Loki kernel: [ 18.712007] radeon 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for radeon/tahiti_me.bin failed with error -2 Apr 2 12:41:39 Loki kernel: [ 18.719391] radeon 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for radeon/tahiti_ce.bin failed with error -2 Apr 2 12:41:39 Loki kernel: [ 18.719871] |
21:12.23 | KnoF | this is what im getting |
21:12.40 | specing | that is radeon "open source" for you |
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22:18.21 | aitor | hi |
22:21.29 | aitor | i updated the repository of gnuinos adding grub2 a common initramfs-tools and live-boot for udev | vdev, and a version of udev breaking with vdev:: |
22:21.32 | aitor | http://packages.gnuinos.org/ |
22:22.28 | aitor | i restarted the system after updating the grub and the initramfs and worked with udev |
22:22.59 | aitor | tomorrow i'll try with vdev, first i need to update its packaging |
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22:27.25 | aitor | g'night (12:30 here) |
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