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| 02:08.04 | kodi | I just installed the nvidia graphic drivers and my font is huge |
| 02:08.34 | kodi | debian says to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I don't have one |
| 02:09.49 | kodi | As of stretch, you don't need nvidia-xconfig anymore, and a xorg.conf file is not needed either in most situations. Also, the 340 series has been forked into its own series of packages to support older cards. |
| 02:10.12 | kodi | (The answer here may be needed to enable a higher resolution.) |
| 02:10.16 | kodi | http://askubuntu.com/a/595884/416671 |
| 02:10.29 | kodi | go figure debian links to ubuntu |
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| 03:03.46 | kodi | i lowered the mate font for the time being so i can at least navigate |
| 03:03.50 | kodi | xchat is like size 80 font |
| 03:03.54 | kodi | *hexchat |
| 03:03.59 | kodi | there must be a solution =[ |
| 03:04.16 | kodi | the resolution must be 640x480 |
| 03:05.18 | kodi | rebooting brb |
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| 14:42.34 | msiism | are there any plans to ever make a point release for devuan jessie when ascii is out? |
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| 14:59.08 | fsmithred | msiism, I think the point release of jessie will come around the time that ascii goes stable |
| 15:00.07 | msiism | fsmithred: good. nice to know. |
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| 16:21.37 | furrywolf | "The live image is can be put on a USB or SD card using dd and then booted directly from it. The live image is what we really consider to be the Devuan desktop, so please if you do a review of Devuan used as a desktop distribution refer to our live release." ... do you get something different than if you just install the same packages? |
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| 16:23.20 | fsmithred | furrywolf, I think that idea is a leftover from the early jessie isos that didn't have the desktop theme |
| 16:23.45 | msiism | fsmithred: good that you mention it. |
| 16:23.51 | fsmithred | the desktop-live has the same packages you get with the default desktop install |
| 16:24.02 | fsmithred | plus a few extra for the live system |
| 16:24.13 | msiism | fsmithred: i've been working on image descriptions for the Devuan manual recently and wondered if such a recommendation should be there at all. |
| 16:24.34 | msiism | also, there are two different live images these days. |
| 16:24.40 | fsmithred | I think that statement can be removed |
| 16:24.49 | msiism | fsmithred: ok. |
| 16:24.56 | fsmithred | there's the minimal-live and the desktop-live |
| 16:25.20 | fsmithred | in jessie, there were two amd64 desktop-live isos: one for bios and one for uefi |
| 16:25.29 | fsmithred | they've been combined in the ascii beta |
| 16:26.11 | furrywolf | I'm installing netinst, so I can download only the specific packages I need. |
| 16:26.13 | msiism | fsmithred: ok, i was thinking more about desktop-live and minimal-live as the two variants. |
| 16:26.23 | fsmithred | and for live images that are between minimal and full desktop, there are several dervivative distros |
| 16:26.38 | fsmithred | msiism, yes, that's the correct distinction |
| 16:26.42 | msiism | ok |
| 16:27.16 | fsmithred | furrywolf, that's what I figured you would do |
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| 16:27.40 | fsmithred | if you told me you're installing task-xfce-desktop, I'd fall out of my chair |
| 16:28.37 | fsmithred | If you're going to use icewm, I think I have a devuan replacement icon for the apps menu (the debian logo) |
| 16:28.48 | furrywolf | I did on the install I'm replacing... sometimes people other than me might need to use something I install, and they invariably want something more windows-like. |
| 16:29.13 | fsmithred | ah, ok |
| 16:29.34 | furrywolf | i.e. "there's no icons. THERE'S NO ICONS. how the fuck am I supposed to do anything?!" etc. :) |
| 16:29.42 | fsmithred | lol |
| 16:30.08 | fsmithred | I didn't start playing with computers until there were at least drop-down menus |
| 16:30.26 | KatolaZ | looks for icons around.... $(dict icon) returns nothing...... |
| 16:31.16 | fsmithred | ssh randomart doesn't count as icons? |
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| 16:43.56 | furrywolf | ok, that's most annoying. attempting to connect to my hotspot from ascii causes the hotspot to crash. |
| 16:46.21 | furrywolf | obviously not devuan's or linux's fault, but still annoying. heh. |
| 16:55.08 | furrywolf | how long should an ext4 format of a 1.92tb drive take? |
| 16:55.44 | msiism | 5 min? (wild guess) |
| 16:56.07 | msiism | furrywolf: would that depend very much on the rest of your setup? |
| 16:56.17 | msiism | s/would/wouldn't |
| 16:56.48 | furrywolf | it's been more than 5 min. lol |
| 16:57.17 | furrywolf | nevermind. just finished. lol |
| 16:57.27 | furrywolf | was thinking the new shiny SSD would be faster than that, was getting worried. |
| 16:57.51 | msiism | i see |
| 16:58.03 | msiism | so how close was I? |
| 16:59.40 | furrywolf | "mirror does not support the specified release (ascii)" |
| 17:00.11 | furrywolf | from us.deb.devuan.org |
| 17:00.20 | msiism | did you try pkgmaster? |
| 17:00.32 | furrywolf | trying deb.devuan.org now |
| 17:00.34 | msiism | i think it's recommended |
| 17:00.36 | furrywolf | seems to be working |
| 17:00.43 | msiism | ok |
| 17:01.07 | furrywolf | us.deb.devuan.org was the default. the default should work. I rate that as a release-critical bug. :) |
| 17:01.25 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: deb.devuan.org |
| 17:01.35 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: we had problems with the CNAME |
| 17:01.38 | KatolaZ | working on that |
| 17:01.40 | KatolaZ | sorry :) |
| 17:01.50 | furrywolf | ok. just wanted to make sure someone knows. :) |
| 17:01.54 | KatolaZ | (that's a default, but you are installing a beta :P) |
| 17:01.59 | KatolaZ | we know already |
| 17:02.00 | furrywolf | having the install fail with all defaults will be a bad. |
| 17:02.04 | KatolaZ | and we have afix in place for that |
| 17:02.11 | KatolaZ | -_- |
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| 17:03.39 | furrywolf | installs the xfce task just to shock fsmithred |
| 17:04.32 | furrywolf | very minor gripe: Console shouldn't be capitalized if nothing else on the list is |
| 17:05.31 | furrywolf | aaand now for the slow part: downloading 1350 packages. |
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| 17:06.28 | msiism | furrywolf: where is it capitalized? in tasksel? |
| 17:06.37 | furrywolf | yes |
| 17:06.57 | msiism | "Console productivity"? |
| 17:07.39 | furrywolf | yes |
| 17:07.51 | msiism | ok |
| 17:08.15 | furrywolf | or capitalize all of them, of course. :) |
| 17:08.47 | msiism | right. well KatolaZ will take care of that, i guess. |
| 17:14.28 | furrywolf | feature request: multi-threaded installer. |
| 17:14.44 | furrywolf | I want to unpack and prepare 8 packages at once. :) |
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| 17:19.08 | furrywolf | heh, minor grub issue, may be an installer issue... grub is not dpi-aware. boot menu is teeeeeeny tiny. lol |
| 17:20.41 | furrywolf | also, X badly mis-detected my display and/or video adapter, and is using 1600x1200 on a wide-screen display, making everything stretched and generally shit. |
| 17:21.06 | furrywolf | also, I can't change this with the Display settings box the default xfce desktop installed. |
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| 17:21.34 | furrywolf | settings boxes that do not work are worse than useless, as they just piss users off. |
| 17:23.02 | furrywolf | of particular note, this is a regression - my old ascii install had no display issues. |
| 17:25.34 | furrywolf | X's radeon module is failing due to missing /dev entries, from the looks of it. |
| 17:25.44 | furrywolf | this is likely a devuan issue. |
| 17:29.28 | furrywolf | I don't know how to troubleshoot this further. |
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| 17:30.15 | furrywolf | x's log shows things wanting /dev/dri/* |
| 17:32.08 | msiism | furrywolf: can you use another video driver? |
| 17:33.15 | furrywolf | it's falling back to vesa, hence using 1600x1200 on my high-res widescreen. heh. |
| 17:33.26 | furrywolf | radeon is the correct driver for my card. |
| 17:33.47 | furrywolf | and it worked correctly with my last ascii install. |
| 17:34.09 | fsmithred | furrywolf, do you need xserver-xorg-video-intel? |
| 17:34.32 | furrywolf | no. |
| 17:34.45 | furrywolf | the kernel is correctly loading the radeon module |
| 17:35.08 | furrywolf | X is attempting to load the radeon module, then complains about not being able to open various things in /dev, then unloads it. |
| 17:35.55 | furrywolf | (/dev/dri/card0, /dev/fb0) |
| 17:39.00 | furrywolf | also, it seems no one fixed the bug that wireless is very broken on a fresh install, even though it worked fine in the installer. |
| 17:39.24 | furrywolf | (you have to manually set up wpa_supplicant, which is a total fucking pain in the ass, that no one should ever be expected to do on a new install.) |
| 17:39.58 | furrywolf | so, fresh install, and I have no connectivity and broken video... this beta is not ready yet. heh. |
| 17:41.57 | furrywolf | and I used the default EVERYTHING, no excuse for this... |
| 17:42.19 | fsmithred | no wicd? |
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| 17:42.45 | msiism | furrywolf: are you really sure that the radeon module is the correct one? is there any difference when you just install all the video driver packages (shouldn't tak too much space)? |
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| 17:44.16 | msiism | furrywolf: iirc i've had similar problems recently, only installing the radeon module when i though it was the one needed by my card. |
| 17:45.47 | furrywolf | I need to get networking working before I can install anything else... I really can not believe this has not been fixed yet. no networking on a fresh install = stupid. |
| 17:46.09 | msiism | furrywolf: can you use a cable? |
| 17:46.13 | furrywolf | manually configuring wpa_supplicant is one of the least pleasant things to do ever. |
| 17:46.15 | furrywolf | no |
| 17:46.37 | furrywolf | the installer __needs__ to preserve the wifi settings onto the target. |
| 17:46.48 | msiism | tbh, i would never expect wifi to work during installation. but maybe i'm a bit behind there. |
| 17:46.51 | furrywolf | or at least provide a user-friendly way of making it work again |
| 17:46.51 | msiism | furrywolf: i see. |
| 17:47.58 | furrywolf | but, bbl. need to go see my lawyer (more paperwork, yay) then go to work... |
| 17:51.33 | furrywolf | most of the xserver-xorg-video drivers are installed, including all ones possibly relevant to this box. |
| 17:51.50 | furrywolf | (-radeon, -amdgpu, and even -intel despite it not having an intel gpu...) |
| 17:52.32 | furrywolf | -ati too |
| 17:52.33 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 17:56.35 | msiism | furrywolf: well, yes, you would have to install the driver package before installing xorg to avoid that. but that may not always be the best thing to do. |
| 17:57.31 | furrywolf | all relevant packages appear to be installed, by the installer. |
| 17:58.28 | furrywolf | bbl |
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| 21:53.51 | xxr | lo |
| 21:54.37 | xxr | I started an install with an existing /home/ partition. Is it normal that it is listing every file on that partition during the "copying system to new partition"? |
| 21:58.56 | msiism | xxr: are you installing jessie or ascii? what is your installation method and hw architecture? what do you mean by "copying system to new partition"? |
| 21:59.20 | xxr | jessie |
| 21:59.48 | xxr | I went with the desktop icon to install devuan. |
| 22:00.16 | msiism | xxr: so you were running the desktop-live version? |
| 22:00.21 | xxr | Ah, yes. |
| 22:01.11 | NewGnuGuy | xxr: If you want to use an existing /home partition, you need to use the installer iso instead. |
| 22:01.19 | xxr | I downloaded it a while ago, so it wasn't fresh in my mind :) |
| 22:02.49 | NewGnuGuy | I am running ASCII with /home, /boot, /usr/local, and /tmp as separate partitions. |
| 22:02.49 | xxr | aren't all the image iso files? |
| 22:03.41 | msiism | xxr: no. but live and installation images are. |
| 22:04.03 | NewGnuGuy | For Jessie use one of the ISOs in https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/ |
| 22:04.15 | xxr | I mean, on the available image list there is no mention of installer iso. |
| 22:04.24 | xxr | You know, there https://devuan.org/os/ |
| 22:04.27 | msiism | NewGnuGuy: are you sure you cannot use an existing /home when installing from within the live system? |
| 22:05.15 | msiism | xxr: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install |
| 22:05.31 | msiism | xxr: this page is still a bit problematic (outdated) but it should be ok. |
| 22:06.05 | xxr | well right now the console is outputting target_home/username/ and all the files for that user |
| 22:06.06 | NewGnuGuy | Installing from the live system uses fsmithred's refracta-installer. I don't think that supports using an existing /home. Is that right, fsmithred? |
| 22:06.11 | xxr | been some minutes that way |
| 22:06.44 | fsmithred | NewGnuGuy, no, it doesn't |
| 22:07.03 | fsmithred | just install everything to one partition, and then edit your fstab to use the old /home |
| 22:07.33 | NewGnuGuy | that should work too, yes |
| 22:07.49 | fsmithred | one other glitch with the ascii beta desktop-live |
| 22:07.59 | fsmithred | for bios boot, grub-pc is missing. |
| 22:08.13 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: xxr is installing jessie |
| 22:08.31 | fsmithred | ah, ok. |
| 22:09.39 | fsmithred | xxr, what options did you select? |
| 22:09.50 | fsmithred | separate /home or not? |
| 22:09.57 | xxr | yeah, and no format. |
| 22:10.00 | fsmithred | oh, good |
| 22:10.03 | fsmithred | whew |
| 22:10.09 | xxr | well, of course :p |
| 22:10.26 | fsmithred | it uses rsync to copy the live system to the hard drive |
| 22:11.07 | fsmithred | um... |
| 22:11.17 | fsmithred | rsync uses --delete-before |
| 22:11.53 | fsmithred | which means that any files not in the live system that are on the hard drive will be deleted |
| 22:12.13 | xxr | I've seen that with / |
| 22:12.36 | fsmithred | is it still copying / |
| 22:12.37 | fsmithred | ? |
| 22:13.25 | xxr | I just got an error message saying grub failed to install |
| 22:13.51 | xxr | and a log with rsync: recv_generator: mkdir "/target/usr/share/sysv-rc" failed: No space left on device (28) |
| 22:14.02 | fsmithred | oh |
| 22:14.20 | fsmithred | you filled the partition |
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| 22:16.38 | xxr | taht can't be right |
| 22:16.46 | fsmithred | df -h |
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| 22:17.19 | xxr | the home partition is relatively unchanged |
| 22:17.24 | xxr | just a new user folder |
| 22:17.30 | fsmithred | oh |
| 22:17.59 | fsmithred | the device referenced would be your root partition |
| 22:19.13 | xxr | sdd1 is full, I need to format that partition first |
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| 22:19.53 | xxr | right |
| 22:20.02 | xxr | because rsync copied my home system on sdd1 |
| 22:20.29 | xxr | 13GB can't hold 100GB |
| 22:20.55 | xxr | well, I'll retry with the installer iso |
| 22:22.50 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.56 | fsmithred | it copies from the live system |
| 22:23.14 | xxr | I have the folder right there |
| 22:23.54 | fsmithred | I'd like to see the log |
| 22:26.47 | fsmithred | you should be able to install the whole system to the 13gb part |
| 22:26.56 | xxr | sure, I'll just need to anonymize it some. |
| 22:27.05 | fsmithred | you're using the jessie desktop-live iso, right? |
| 22:28.17 | xxr | I on a live desktop yeah. I'll need to double check to be sure. |
| 22:28.19 | xxr | http://dpaste.com/0654NKE |
| 22:28.35 | fsmithred | I'm concerned that you could wipe your own files the way you're running it. |
| 22:28.48 | xxr | devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_desktop-live |
| 22:29.02 | xxr | well nothing got wiped :) |
| 22:29.53 | xxr | https://imgur.com/OmZ71ca |
| 22:30.02 | fsmithred | chroot: cannot change root directory to /target: No such file or directory |
| 22:30.27 | xxr | of course, the toolbox is hiding the left panel |
| 22:31.06 | fsmithred | your old home is mounted under /media? |
| 22:31.15 | xxr | it is now |
| 22:31.19 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 22:31.26 | fsmithred | what's in target_home? |
| 22:31.32 | xxr | part of my old home |
| 22:31.42 | xxr | couldn't copy everything since there isn't enough space. |
| 22:32.33 | fsmithred | did you mount your old home to the live system home? |
| 22:32.58 | fsmithred | I'm not understanding how the old home got copied |
| 22:33.11 | xxr | Before the install process, I used the filemanager to mount the different drives I have to check the files. |
| 22:33.49 | xxr | once the install process started, the partitions err umounted? (what's the word?) |
| 22:34.33 | fsmithred | I think you need to unmount them yourself first |
| 22:34.45 | fsmithred | if you're going to install to them |
| 22:35.41 | xxr | they did disappear from the list of devices of the file manager. I assumed they properly got unmount. |
| 22:35.45 | fsmithred | oh, maybe not, since you chose no-format |
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| 22:38.55 | fsmithred | but that still doesn't explain how it copied your files |
| 22:39.44 | fsmithred | rsync -av /home/ /target_home/ ...(filters and excludes) |
| 22:40.49 | NewGnuGuy | xxr: Could you provide a paste of the output of "lsblk"? |
| 22:41.25 | fsmithred | if there's confusion about which home is /home in the live session, then there's something weird going on. |
| 22:42.08 | xxr | sure http://dpaste.com/26R232W |
| 22:42.09 | fsmithred | if you don't have a backup copy of all your old home files, use extreme caution |
| 22:44.16 | xxr | is the installer iso so much different? Can't it be included as a grub option while booting on the live version? |
| 22:44.26 | msiism | is it correct that the only architectures really able to use the debian installer for devuan are currently amd64 and i386? and will that change in the future? |
| 22:45.02 | fsmithred | the installer isos use the debian installer |
| 22:45.28 | fsmithred | maybe the live isos will have that as an option in the future |
| 22:45.50 | fsmithred | msiism, what other arches do you want? |
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| 22:46.21 | jonadab | I would think arm would be more widely used than i386 at this point. |
| 22:46.30 | xxr | Oh, is there a place akin to packages.debian.org for devuan? To check if a version of a software is available upstream. |
| 22:46.45 | msiism | fsmithred: i'm happy with what's there. just wanted to make sure for the docs. i heard that debian has a way of using the debian installer for some embedded devices. but i don't really know about that. |
| 22:46.52 | xxr | I need a more recent keepass |
| 22:47.05 | chillfan | xxr: you can check directly on packages.debian.org |
| 22:47.35 | chillfan | Since we use most of those packages you can find out which distro a package is in |
| 22:47.57 | chillfan | and also try with the relevant backports line in your sources.list ofc |
| 22:48.21 | chillfan | e.g apt-cache -t ascii-backports search <pgkname> |
| 22:49.01 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: Does that paste provide you with insight? |
| 22:49.14 | msiism | fsmithred: i'm just thinking of a way to put all these things into the manual in an orderly and understanable fashion. (which is a bit of a challenge, as it turns out.) |
| 22:49.37 | xxr | if ascii uses stretch packages, then I'll need ascii |
| 22:50.24 | NewGnuGuy | xxr: yes, ascii uses stretch packages |
| 22:50.25 | jonadab | I've got ascii here, it seems ok to me in general so far; but I've only had it a couple of days, and of course there are many packages I don't personally use. |
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| 22:51.07 | chillfan | eh connections issues.. anyway, yeah unless it's in jessie-backports then stretch |
| 22:51.17 | chillfan | or pinning if you're desperate to stay on jessie |
| 22:51.48 | chillfan | s/stretch/ascii |
| 22:52.20 | fsmithred | NewGnuGuy, no, that doesn't help much. |
| 22:52.40 | NewGnuGuy | :-/ |
| 22:55.38 | xxr | There are 3 CD for install iso? |
| 22:56.08 | fsmithred | don't use the CD isos |
| 22:56.19 | fsmithred | use netinstall unless you have a slow connection |
| 22:56.45 | fsmithred | xxr, you used a live-usb? if so, how did you prepare it? |
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| 22:57.19 | xxr | I used rufus https://rufus.akeo.ie/ |
| 22:58.12 | NewGnuGuy | Good program |
| 22:58.22 | chillfan | I would normally suggest using dd to put the image on the drive, unless that's working OK |
| 22:58.24 | xxr | I have a 4gb usb drive, dunno if it's really 4gb and if it can hold the DVD iso |
| 22:58.41 | xxr | rufus has the dd method too. |
| 22:58.56 | NewGnuGuy | I've never had Rufus let me down |
| 22:58.59 | chillfan | ah, that's good then |
| 22:59.08 | chillfan | I'll remember this program |
| 22:59.47 | chillfan | well, if your connection is good then netinst for sure from USB |
| 23:00.26 | xxr | yeah, I guess I'll have to |
| 23:00.45 | chillfan | if you try the full dvd, perhaps let us know your results |
| 23:01.22 | fsmithred | back. I was just looking for discussions of people who had problems installing when they used rufus. |
| 23:02.36 | merzbow | used unetbootin and that worked fine |
| 23:03.44 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: and you may find some, but you'd be hard pressed to find people who had problems installing *because* they used rufus. :-) |
| 23:05.01 | msiism | chillfan: about your jessie install howto (on fod): i don't know if it's a good idea to suggest using wodim for burning. it seems to be unmaintained. that's why i chose to go with cdrskin in the manual. |
| 23:05.23 | chillfan | msiism: hm, I didn't know that |
| 23:05.46 | xxr | Thanks guys. I'll try again at a later date. Have a nice day. |
| 23:05.47 | chillfan | I find wodim is working, I'll look at cdrskin though |
| 23:05.57 | msiism | chillfan: also cdrskin can burn blurays, which wodim can't, afaik. |
| 23:06.38 | msiism | but ok, that's probably not too relevant here |
| 23:07.13 | chillfan | No worries, I will look at it though for future docs |
| 23:07.18 | fsmithred | NewGnuGuy, you've used it? |
| 23:07.30 | msiism | chillfan: good. |
| 23:07.36 | chillfan | if you want, just go ahead and add cdrskin for it |
| 23:07.40 | NewGnuGuy | Loads of times |
| 23:07.55 | chillfan | I'm not familiar with it's syntax yet |
| 23:07.58 | msiism | chillfan: ok, i can do that. |
| 23:08.16 | msiism | chillfan: it has the same syntax a original cdrecord. |
| 23:08.30 | chillfan | ah, so it's just s/wodim/cdrskin/ |
| 23:08.40 | fsmithred | ok, I've never used it. But I'm looking for a reason that drives/partitions got mixed up. |
| 23:08.42 | msiism | and a few major linux distros have been going back to using that. |
| 23:08.52 | fsmithred | and I've seen it happen with unetbootin. |
| 23:09.04 | chillfan | Why back to cdrtools in particular? |
| 23:09.27 | fsmithred | is wodim really unmaintained, or is it just finished? |
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| 23:09.49 | NewGnuGuy | Compared to rufus, I've been less than impressed with unetbootin |
| 23:10.07 | msiism | chillfan: i used "cdrskin -v speed=4 devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_NETINST.iso" |
| 23:10.15 | chillfan | In any case I'm trying to avoid changes without any real need in my wiki, since the translation team will need to update for every change |
| 23:10.34 | chillfan | but yeah it's fine to change it elsewhere |
| 23:10.45 | msiism | fsmithred: i would have to look up the details again. |
| 23:10.47 | chillfan | and future docs |
| 23:11.21 | msiism | chillfan: but cdrskin is not cdrkit. |
| 23:11.43 | msiism | cdrkit is what icludes wodim |
| 23:11.55 | chillfan | I'm wondering about that as well.. some packages lose their maintainer or upstream site, or it's unclear if it's being maintained |
| 23:12.48 | msiism | cdrskin is a frontend for libburnia. |
| 23:13.17 | chillfan | like wdm I think has a site, but is untouched for many years.. some are less of a worry since upstream only dropped them recently |
| 23:14.10 | chillfan | but I found a bad issue in a package that hasn't been touched in a decade, in which it triggered SSP (without checking I assume it's because of it's age) |
| 23:14.28 | msiism | talking about unmaintained software. i've talke to the developer of FPM2 password manager, which Debian has dropped since stretch, claiming it was unmaintained upstream. as it turns out, it is actually maintained, but no one is packaging it for debian. |
| 23:15.40 | chillfan | yeah, so I guess some checking needs to be done before assuming unmaintained/abandoned |
| 23:17.35 | chillfan | anyway, still no response from the maintainer for the package triggering SSP |
| 23:18.47 | n4dir | fsmithred: i though wodim is a fork of the original package, perhaps by Jörg Schilling ?, and he always shouts like a maddog when it comes to wodim? I forgot the original packages name though. |
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| 23:21.36 | tocsa | So `lsb_release -a` says `Codename: n/a` to me (see https://github.com/nodesource/distributions/issues/490#issuecomment-374083941) |
| 23:22.13 | tocsa | I did use a 4.14 kernel from debian stretch-backports but I switched over to devuan ascii-backports and reinstalled the kernel. |
| 23:22.38 | tocsa | Now I wonder if it really did reinstall, or it's not the kernel which screws up this? |
| 23:23.22 | tocsa | It's relatively new install so it's kind of a bummer that my installation is screwed up from the get-go. What will happen a year from now? |
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| 23:25.38 | chillfan | msiism: on that resource you mailed me, I'll put it as a link in the 'wiki' area for now.. when I start on more ascii docs I'll have a real look |
| 23:26.34 | chillfan | I'll be away for a couple of weeks, then try to nail down my todo list |
| 23:26.43 | tocsa | I'm using devuan ascii, and this fella has a completely different `lsb_release -a` than mine https://github.com/nodesource/distributions/issues/490#issuecomment-374755330 how is that possible? |
| 23:28.50 | msiism | n4dir: cdrtools is the software by jörg schilling. cdrkit is a debian fork of that was created because of licensing issues, iirc. and yes, schilling hates it and is generally not happy with people forking his software and constantly claims that there are no actual licensing issues. it all a big flame war. still, i prefer to use schillings cdrtools on my system. it has fared a lot better that cdrkit as far as i've used it. |
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| 23:29.34 | msiism | chillfan: ok. cool. |
| 23:29.54 | chillfan | what was the other one.. cdrskin? |
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| 23:30.32 | msiism | chillfan: cdrkit, which consists of wodim, genisoimage and icedax. |
| 23:30.43 | n4dir | msiism: aha. |
| 23:30.51 | msiism | chillfan: and then there's cdrskin. |
| 23:31.01 | chillfan | Is there a licensing issue? |
| 23:31.15 | chillfan | What is the claim on that |
| 23:31.16 | msiism | which is a frontend to libburnia, and independent project, but somehow connected to cdrtools, iirc. |
| 23:31.38 | msiism | cdrtools is licensed under the cddl. |
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| 23:32.12 | chillfan | hm, is that not compatible? |
| 23:32.20 | msiism | and cddl and gpl don't seem to be compatible. |
| 23:32.39 | chillfan | ok so dfsg came into play |
| 23:32.41 | msiism | it seems so. but, as i said, you'd start a flame war if you'd ask that question in the right place. |
| 23:32.47 | tocsa | If I have a devuan ascii install, should my `lsb_release -a` say `Devuan GNU/Linux testing/unstable` for Description or `Devuan GNU/Linux 2.0 (ascii)`? See https://github.com/nodesource/distributions/issues/490#issuecomment-374083941 |
| 23:33.16 | chillfan | So they forked off from an earlier version? |
| 23:34.10 | chillfan | I assume so anyway, since if it's not compatible I don't see how they relicense it |
| 23:34.17 | msiism | chillfan: also, schilling claims that gnu make should be used as a last resort to compile cdrtools because it was so bad. i've never had any problem using it. works just fine. but he wants people to use his "smake" program. |
| 23:34.33 | msiism | yes, cdrkit is forked from an earier version. |
| 23:35.39 | chillfan | ah, I don't have an issue with gnu make.. I hadn't considered if alternatives are better there really |
| 23:35.50 | msiism | chillfan: me neither. |
| 23:36.20 | msiism | but schilling is a professional solaris developer. so, solaris is better than anything there, you know. |
| 23:36.25 | chillfan | really I keep the toolchain stuff off machines where I don't need it.. when I do need it, I usually need 90-100% of it |
| 23:37.31 | chillfan | so it's just build-essential git libncurses5-dev etc |
| 23:38.51 | tocsa | Can anyone read what I write? |
| 23:39.04 | tocsa | (I'm wondering if I'm muted or anything) |
| 23:39.11 | n4dir | tocsa: all fine |
| 23:39.19 | tocsa | n4dir: thx |
| 23:43.45 | merzbow | tosca mine reads Devuan GNU/Linux 2.0 (ascii) |
| 23:44.31 | merzbow | but I don't think that necessarily means your install is broken, like you said you just upgraded differently |
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| 23:48.00 | chillfan | your /etc/devuan_version should read ascii/ceres, and you can doublecheck with dpkg -l | grep deb .. look for the "deb" version against packages there |
| 23:48.21 | chillfan | e.g deb9 should be the highest versions there |
| 23:48.47 | chillfan | deb8 for jessie, and so on |
| 23:49.40 | chillfan | which would show your setup is ok |