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| 01:17.39 | dev1noob | Why does ASCII openssh-server depends on libsystemd0? |
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| 01:29.53 | Jjp137 | dev1noob, see: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 |
| 01:31.44 | dev1noob | Jjp137: so basically, it's just a connector? |
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| 01:32.58 | chillfan | Pretty much, and not doing anything really |
| 01:34.10 | chillfan | I would say it's one of those itches you'd like to scratch, but it's not practical to do so (yet) |
| 01:34.39 | dev1noob | Good |
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| 01:35.23 | chillfan | some things may yet happen to remove that, or make it less irritating after ascii release |
| 01:35.54 | dev1noob | It's just that I've got my fair share of harm from systemshit... now when I see *that* name it really itches |
| 01:37.21 | chillfan | There was talk that more would happen with that using point releases for ascii |
| 01:38.06 | dev1noob | Well, as long as it's essentially a dummy, there's no rush |
| 01:38.37 | chillfan | yeah, that's basically the idea I think.. I haven't followed that discussion all the way though |
| 01:38.51 | dev1noob | What could potentially be done is making libsystemd0 a true dummy package |
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| 01:39.56 | chillfan | that might happen too, it was mentioned not too long ago |
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| 01:42.21 | dev1noob | well, you calmed by fears |
| 01:42.27 | dev1noob | thanks! |
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| 01:43.44 | chillfan | from my pov, it seems like those problems are slowly solving in a few areas, when packages need to be forked and maintained we obviously don't need systemd there |
| 01:43.55 | dev1noob | yup |
| 01:46.17 | fsmithred | I've done it, and it works with some things. |
| 01:46.35 | fsmithred | gvfs-daemons expects the real lsd0 |
| 01:46.46 | fsmithred | probably a few other things |
| 01:47.13 | fsmithred | all it does is tell the app that systemd is not running |
| 01:50.04 | dev1noob | maybe replace it by a lib that does only say that systemd is not present |
| 01:50.14 | dev1noob | and nothing else |
| 01:51.39 | dev1noob | is there a way to have setnet always use dhcp on wlan0? |
| 01:52.07 | dev1noob | KatolaZ? |
| 01:55.25 | chillfan | wondering if there's still file managers using pmount |
| 01:56.33 | fsmithred | dev1noob, under Configure IP Address, choose dhcp |
| 01:56.56 | chillfan | spacefm looks working without dbus on ascii |
| 01:56.58 | dev1noob | I mean automaticly |
| 01:57.13 | fsmithred | doesn't it keep the settings? |
| 01:57.39 | dev1noob | all settings... except dhcp |
| 01:59.27 | chillfan | yeah spacefm is working without dbus as of ascii.. great |
| 02:01.18 | fsmithred | mine has dhcp as a choice |
| 02:01.53 | dev1noob | If I explicitly go to "Conf" yes |
| 02:02.04 | dev1noob | but it never saves it |
| 02:04.23 | dev1noob | do anyone knows of a good drive automounting solution? |
| 02:05.31 | chillfan | I just pointed one out.. for ascii, spacefm works with auto mount |
| 02:05.44 | chillfan | does not use dbus, has desktop icon support, bg support |
| 02:06.13 | fsmithred | needs pmount or udisks(?) to work |
| 02:06.14 | dev1noob | ad for tty use? |
| 02:06.30 | chillfan | for tty use there's steve litts amounter.. dunno where to find it |
| 02:06.44 | fsmithred | maybe at troubleshooters.com |
| 02:07.00 | chillfan | fsmithred: it supports a few different ways from the looks of it.. I just checked the config and it can use udevil to do this |
| 02:07.12 | fsmithred | ah, that's the other one |
| 02:07.17 | chillfan | so I just installed that and it's working ok |
| 02:07.33 | fsmithred | I use spacefm on some installs |
| 02:07.49 | chillfan | on jessie I think it explicitly wants dbus wether you use it or not |
| 02:08.21 | fsmithred | I don't know. I might have used it in ascii without dbus, but I don't remember for sure, and that install is long gone. |
| 02:09.49 | chillfan | dev1noob: https://github.com/stevelitt/amounter there you go |
| 02:10.05 | chillfan | written in python |
| 02:10.33 | dev1noob | udevil is in the ascii repo |
| 02:10.41 | dev1noob | no dbus |
| 02:12.35 | chillfan | udevil is just a dependent of spacefm.. I don't think it will automount on it's own |
| 02:12.36 | dev1noob | now, setnet refuses to set defaul troute |
| 02:17.30 | fsmithred | I don't know if spacefm automounts - I always select the drive I want to mount. |
| 02:19.54 | dev1noob | does amounter run as a daemon? |
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| 02:23.15 | chillfan | it can I think |
| 02:23.24 | chillfan | I've only tried it once |
| 02:23.54 | chillfan | brb |
| 02:25.40 | fsmithred | it's under Devices --> Settings |
| 02:26.20 | fsmithred | hm, mine is already running to control the desktop |
| 02:32.49 | dev1noob | What menu is that in ? |
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| 02:39.43 | dev1noob | @fsmithred? |
| 02:39.50 | fsmithred | ? |
| 02:40.01 | fsmithred | in spacefm |
| 02:40.21 | dev1noob | and in tty? |
| 02:42.37 | fsmithred | you need X for spacefm |
| 02:42.43 | fsmithred | and at least a window manager |
| 02:43.01 | fsmithred | in tty, the only file manager I know is midnight-commander |
| 02:43.07 | fsmithred | mc |
| 02:43.18 | dev1noob | and from spacefm I can configure amounter for tty? |
| 02:43.31 | fsmithred | I doubt it |
| 02:43.42 | fsmithred | in spacefm you can configure automounting for spacefm |
| 02:44.02 | dev1noob | but mc does not have automounting |
| 02:44.14 | fsmithred | no clue. Probably not. |
| 02:44.19 | dev1noob | I looking for automounting in tty |
| 02:44.30 | fsmithred | did you look at the one that chillfan linked? |
| 02:44.41 | dev1noob | I may very rarely use a fm |
| 02:44.48 | dev1noob | yup |
| 02:45.02 | dev1noob | *gui |
| 02:45.10 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 02:45.26 | fsmithred | I think there's one called usbmount that might work. not sure. |
| 02:46.07 | dev1noob | ow, forgot about usbmount |
| 02:46.10 | fsmithred | I use pmount if I'm in a console. |
| 02:46.22 | dev1noob | it's, eh, *useable* |
| 02:46.29 | fsmithred | pmount sdb1 |
| 02:46.40 | dev1noob | and how does it works |
| 02:47.12 | dev1noob | automatic or you need to execute pmount manually |
| 02:47.20 | fsmithred | manual |
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| 02:47.51 | fsmithred | it mounts it under /media. If there's a disk label, it uses the label as the name for the mountpoint |
| 02:48.28 | fsmithred | I don't know how to automount, because I never use it. If it's enabled by default, it's one of the first things I disable. |
| 02:48.30 | dev1noob | Basically, I'm looking for an automatic mounter that works in tty |
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| 03:14.40 | _stephen_ | So, anyone get the pi zero w wifi working under either ascii or jessie? |
| 03:19.01 | _stephen_ | I tried booting up ascii, but I dont see the wireless in the output of ip |
| 03:30.26 | dev1noob | Is /dev/wlan0 present? |
| 03:31.17 | dev1noob | @_stephen_ |
| 03:32.39 | _stephen_ | As soon as I can figure out which of these micro sd cards has my image on it, I'll check. |
| 03:32.49 | _stephen_ | Because I dont think I looked for that. |
| 03:33.07 | _stephen_ | I think I just looked at the output of ip a |
| 03:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet a 2ct on a lack of firmware blob |
| 03:39.43 | _stephen_ | ah crap, shouldn't there be a light on it? |
| 03:40.32 | chillfan | yes, check rfkill list |
| 03:40.41 | chillfan | if it's not there you might need the firmware package |
| 03:41.00 | chillfan | or make sure it's not hardware locked |
| 03:41.29 | _stephen_ | I might have a tiny paperweight now... |
| 03:42.30 | chillfan | oh sorry, pi.. no hw lock heh |
| 03:46.09 | _stephen_ | I hope I simply mixed up the sd cards or that my power adapter is bad. |
| 03:47.00 | _stephen_ | On second thought, the power supply cost more than the pi zero w... |
| 03:47.50 | chillfan | well, likely you just missed the firmware blob out, you can install that |
| 03:48.13 | chillfan | I don't know the how of that on pi, but shouldn't be too hard |
| 03:48.20 | _stephen_ | When I took a look at the original image it appeared to have them for all the pi. |
| 03:48.55 | _stephen_ | But that was back when I was confident I had a working pi. Now I'm waiting for a new image to dd over. |
| 03:55.40 | _stephen_ | I booted the ascii pi 1 image since there's no pi zero specific build. |
| 03:56.06 | _stephen_ | While waiting for the horribly long dd I was reading that the firmware should be the one for the pi 3... |
| 03:56.09 | chillfan | hm, you may have to make your own for that.. maybe debian has some docs for it somewhere |
| 03:56.59 | _stephen_ | No /dev/wlan* |
| 03:57.02 | _stephen_ | No interface in ip a |
| 03:57.12 | _stephen_ | And no rfkill |
| 03:57.34 | chillfan | It has only wifi right? |
| 03:57.37 | _stephen_ | Looks like the boot image for pi 1/2/3 all have the same stuff... |
| 03:57.38 | _stephen_ | Yeah. |
| 03:57.43 | _stephen_ | This one has only wifi. |
| 03:59.10 | chillfan | If you have a card reader, you should chroot the install partition so you can try fetching the packages you need |
| 03:59.44 | _stephen_ | If I had a powered hub to go with that card reader... |
| 03:59.50 | chillfan | ok my brain is not working right.. you obviously have a reader.. |
| 03:59.53 | _stephen_ | But it's tied up elsewhere. |
| 04:00.15 | chillfan | but you can also try tethering to an android phone or similar |
| 04:00.15 | _stephen_ | Wish I had a second monitor, this is painful... |
| 04:00.39 | chillfan | that should register under usb0 then you just dhcp it |
| 04:01.14 | _stephen_ | Any idea what package would have the firmware for it? |
| 04:01.54 | chillfan | roughly firmware-linux-nonfree might contain it |
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| 04:04.23 | chillfan | but that's just my guess, in any case if you get network access by tethering that should make your life easier for finding that out |
| 04:05.18 | _stephen_ | That'll have to wait for tomorrow then, when I'll have a hub to plug in. |
| 04:05.37 | _stephen_ | Having just the on otg port, which I need for a keyboard, I can't tether atm. |
| 04:08.01 | chillfan | good luck with it |
| 04:08.32 | _stephen_ | Either way, I'll be back tomorrow to proclaim my triumph. Or whine a bunch more. |
| 04:08.45 | _stephen_ | Thanks. |
| 04:08.49 | chillfan | One try would be setting usb0 as dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:09.12 | _stephen_ | Oooh, then I could ssh to it. |
| 04:09.14 | chillfan | if you have ssh/serial access |
| 04:09.16 | _stephen_ | And not need teh keyboard. |
| 04:09.51 | chillfan | yeah .. just put "auto usb0" <newline> "iface usb0 inet dhcp" |
| 04:10.10 | chillfan | setup tethering, plug in.. boot it |
| 04:10.26 | _stephen_ | Oh, I don't know if the cell would forward the port though... |
| 04:10.55 | chillfan | well you can get an ssh client from there :) |
| 04:10.58 | chillfan | on your phone |
| 04:11.12 | _stephen_ | I vaguely recall there being a problem with that. |
| 04:11.13 | chillfan | not sure on that one, maybe it'll work or not |
| 04:12.19 | chillfan | do you have an openwrt router? |
| 04:12.50 | _stephen_ | nope |
| 04:13.06 | chillfan | hm, shame.. idk if your router will support usb tethering but openwrt does |
| 04:13.18 | _stephen_ | wow, really? that's kind of cool |
| 04:14.27 | chillfan | yeah, it's a full linux distro on there so not many limits |
| 04:15.43 | chillfan | that's a little off topic, but yeah.. there's a couple of ways round that if you've got limited support |
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| 04:22.59 | _stephen_0 | Okay. |
| 04:23.09 | _stephen_0 | I think I should go to bed now before the sound of my maniacal laughter wakes and angers neighbors. |
| 04:23.39 | _stephen_0 | I fetched a raspian image that apparently had the firmware and copied its firmware to the ascii rootfs on the sd card. |
| 04:23.59 | chillfan | did it work? |
| 04:24.05 | _stephen_0 | And now I have an ascii pi zero w. |
| 04:24.27 | _stephen_0 | Yup. Hence the second presence that's foolishly logged in here with the root account. |
| 04:25.08 | chillfan | yeah I wondered why it said root.. like who is this guy who ircs as root ;) |
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| 04:26.21 | chillfan | If you find everything working ok, perhaps report success here: https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk |
| 04:26.35 | _stephen_0 | Is it a success though? |
| 04:26.44 | _stephen_0 | I sliced files from another distro. |
| 04:28.17 | chillfan | true, it might be trivial to support that board though, especially if you'd be willing to test it |
| 04:28.44 | chillfan | anyway gonna call it a night |
| 04:28.49 | _stephen_0 | Oh yeah, it would be quite easy. The devaun pi 1 image works out of the box, just no wifi. |
| 04:29.02 | chillfan | later on :) |
| 04:29.10 | _stephen_0 | Yeah, I'm going to sleep. |
| 04:29.31 | _stephen_0 | But I'd be willing to test... later. |
| 04:29.32 | _stephen_0 | 'night |
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| 11:45.18 | ibanja_ | I have been getting the following error when I plug in a usb thumb-drive (any thumb-drive): "Not authorized to perform operation"... tail -f syslog output is here: https://paste.debian.net/1015672/ |
| 11:45.42 | ibanja_ | Does anybody know how to fix this... I've tried a few fixes I found on Google, to no avail |
| 11:47.46 | gnarface | ar 20 07:35:55 f-pad mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 15: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.2" |
| 11:47.46 | gnarface | Mar 20 07:35:55 f-pad mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 15 was not an MTP device |
| 11:47.58 | gnarface | ibanja_: this is the part that's wrong |
| 11:48.52 | ibanja_ | ok... |
| 11:49.11 | gnarface | not sure what MTP is in this context, sorry |
| 11:49.12 | ibanja_ | that's what I was thinking, but not sure what to do about it. |
| 11:49.39 | gnarface | a brief google search suggests to me people have fixed this problem by altering udev rules |
| 11:49.50 | gnarface | it seems to be some catch-all rule applying to something that it shouldn't |
| 11:50.52 | gnarface | (i'm assuming you are trying to mount it as usb mass-storage... for some reason it's not being recognized as such and it's trying to auto connect as something else) |
| 11:51.05 | ibanja_ | I changed something in /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules |
| 11:51.26 | gnarface | what, specifically? |
| 11:51.33 | ibanja_ | or actually the setting was already as suggested on a [SOLVED] post. |
| 11:52.30 | ibanja_ | checking it now... I did it late last night. |
| 11:56.53 | ibanja_ | the rule is: ENV{MTP_NO_PROBE}="1" |
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| 12:00.34 | gnarface | ENV{ID_MTP_DEVICE}!="1", ENV{MTP_NO_PROBE}!="1", ENV{COLOR_MEASUREMENT_DEVICE}!="1", ENV{libsane_matched}!="yes", ATTR{bDeviceClass}=="00|02|06|ef|ff", PROGRAM="mtp-probe /sys$env{DEVPATH} $attr{busnum} $attr{devnum}", RESULT=="1", SYMLINK+="libmtp-%k", MODE="660", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_MTP_DEVICE}="1", ENV{ID_MEDIA_PLAYER}="1" |
| 12:00.37 | gnarface | this line, ibanja_? |
| 12:00.54 | ibanja_ | yes |
| 12:01.10 | gnarface | maybe the device id on yours is slightly different so it doesn't match right |
| 12:01.13 | gnarface | or something like that |
| 12:01.35 | gnarface | try running this on the /dev node while it's plugged in: udevadm info -q all -a /dev/[something] |
| 12:01.42 | gnarface | look at the fields reported |
| 12:01.51 | gnarface | try to make sure the patterns for them match this rule |
| 12:02.01 | ibanja_ | ok |
| 12:02.07 | gnarface | or it won't set the MTP_NO_PROBE flag, it'll just skip over the device |
| 12:02.32 | gnarface | unfortunately even if it's right there may be undocumented behaviors and regressions |
| 12:02.34 | gnarface | udev sucks |
| 12:03.58 | ibanja_ | I ran: udevadm info -q all -a /dev/media0 |less -I |
| 12:04.17 | ibanja_ | Is that correct? not sure what to look for though. |
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| 12:05.02 | gnarface | look for field names like the parts between the ATTR{ } in the rule |
| 12:05.19 | gnarface | stuff like bDeviceClass |
| 12:06.00 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 12:06.29 | gnarface | ibanja_: quick sanity check though, can you verify whether you have ENV{MTP_NO_PROBE}!="1" or ENV{MTP_NO_PROBE}="1" |
| 12:06.30 | gnarface | ? |
| 12:06.52 | gnarface | those don't mean the same thing (note carefully the != vs the =) |
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| 12:07.28 | gnarface | i believe actually the first just checks the inverted value, and the second actually overwrites it |
| 12:08.17 | ibanja_ | I don't see anything in the output: https://paste.debian.net/1015675/ |
| 12:08.34 | ibanja_ | I tried both != and = |
| 12:08.50 | ibanja_ | it was originally != same as yours |
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| 12:09.19 | ibanja_ | I have it as = now |
| 12:09.27 | gnarface | did you remember to unplug the device and re-run /etc/init.d/udev reload after making that change? |
| 12:09.40 | ibanja_ | I rebooted |
| 12:09.52 | gnarface | hmmm. probably should have worked. |
| 12:09.57 | ibanja_ | and pulled the usb |
| 12:10.15 | gnarface | i do see bDeviceClass in your pasted output fyi |
| 12:10.19 | ibanja_ | should i try reinstalling udev, maybe? |
| 12:10.23 | gnarface | no |
| 12:10.43 | gnarface | no reason to expect that will help yet |
| 12:10.51 | gnarface | this is important though |
| 12:11.06 | ibanja_ | what is a bDeviceClass ? |
| 12:11.20 | gnarface | bDeviceClass is literally the example field name i gave you to look for, and despite what you said, it appears repeatedly in your pasted output |
| 12:11.57 | ibanja_ | usb communication device class according to google. |
| 12:11.58 | ibanja_ | k |
| 12:12.14 | gnarface | what's important is the number field |
| 12:12.28 | gnarface | ATTR{bDeviceClass}=="00|02|06|ef|ff" |
| 12:12.39 | gnarface | it has to match one of these values |
| 12:12.53 | ibanja_ | I see where you said "stuff like bDeviceClass"... sorry missed what you meant |
| 12:13.29 | gnarface | it's important because if you missed a detail like that, the chances are you missed something else important i'm not even gonna remember to ask about |
| 12:13.51 | gnarface | it does appear like you applied the fix right, just given the information you've provided though |
| 12:13.56 | gnarface | something else must be wrong |
| 12:14.05 | gnarface | at this point i have no way to tell whether the issue is a bug or self-inflicted |
| 12:14.17 | gnarface | which devuan version did you say you were on? is this jessie? |
| 12:14.46 | ibanja_ | ok... I have a feeling it's self inflicted because I have several devuan boxes running with no problems |
| 12:14.48 | ibanja_ | jessie |
| 12:14.59 | gnarface | maybe you've made some other udev rule alterations and forgot them? |
| 12:15.15 | gnarface | maybe force-reinstalling udev isn't a bad idea, if so |
| 12:15.43 | ibanja_ | ok... Thanks for your help. I will keep exploring. |
| 12:16.05 | ibanja_ | i will try force reinstalling. |
| 12:16.05 | gnarface | since it's jessie, the stock kernel is also quite old. i don't know if it should be expected that device will work with a newer kernel, but there is a newer kernel in jessie-backports you could try |
| 12:16.49 | gnarface | if you have some other identical installs with the same kernel version that haven't been customized, it may be worth seeing if the device behaves any differently |
| 12:17.13 | ibanja_ | that's a very good idea. I just checked and the problem isn't on my other jessie which is running the backports kernel. |
| 12:17.21 | gnarface | remember to pay close attention to any subtle changes in that dmesg error output too |
| 12:17.38 | gnarface | the backports kernel fixes a lot |
| 12:17.46 | gnarface | it could just be that |
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| 12:18.58 | ibanja_ | I think you hit on something. I do have some jessie running stock kernel too, but they are basic installs with just web stuff, so less likely that I messed something up. |
| 12:19.30 | ibanja_ | k... thanks... I'll let you know. |
| 12:19.36 | gnarface | no problem, good luck with it |
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| 12:43.44 | ibanja_ | gnarface: backports kernel didn't fix the problem. Neither did a udev reinstall. I am thinking of upgrading to ascii since I have two ascii boxes running smoothly... thanks again |
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| 12:45.48 | gnarface | ibanja_: well, whatever works, but there's gotta be some difference between this system and the jessie boxes that work. maybe udev rules files in /etc/udev/rules.d? don't think they would have been touched by a udev reinstall |
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| 12:49.59 | ibanja_ | good point... I'll keep looking before doing something drastic. |
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| 12:56.57 | ibanja_ | gnarface:This may sound stupid, but I just got what you are looking for with the udevadm command. It needs to be run on the device that is plugged in.Doing it correctly now, I am getting the following: udevadm info -q all -a /dev/sdb1 |grep bDeviceClass |
| 12:56.57 | ibanja_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.57 | ibanja_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:57.21 | ibanja_ | the 00 are a match, but the 09s are not |
| 12:57.35 | gnarface | ATTR{bDeviceClass}=="00|02|06|ef|ff" |
| 12:57.37 | gnarface | hmm, yea |
| 12:57.48 | gnarface | your other paste had ef on one of the parent devices too |
| 12:58.06 | gnarface | maybe you just have a new revision of the hardware? you could try adding 09 to this |
| 12:58.10 | ibanja_ | yes, but that wasn't the device that was the usb drive. |
| 12:58.19 | gnarface | ah |
| 12:58.21 | ibanja_ | trying. |
| 12:58.36 | gnarface | yea i guess plugging in a usb device may actually create multiple nodes in /dev |
| 12:58.50 | gnarface | they usually all do different stuff |
| 12:59.08 | gnarface | windows hides that from you and makes them all look like one device |
| 12:59.43 | gnarface | like this, to be clear: ATTR{bDeviceClass}=="00|02|06|09|ef|ff" |
| 12:59.55 | gnarface | (though the order probably doesn't actually matter) |
| 13:01.08 | ibanja_ | I added the 09, exactly as you have it and restarted udev, but still the same message. |
| 13:01.27 | gnarface | did you remember to put ENV{MTP_NO_PROBE}!="1" back to the original setting? |
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| 13:02.04 | gnarface | now that the rule should match, you should re-test that test with both settings |
| 13:02.26 | ibanja_ | yes |
| 13:02.37 | ibanja_ | tried both |
| 13:02.57 | gnarface | hmmm. i'm running out of ideas |
| 13:03.22 | gnarface | there's gotta be something, but you're in a better position to guess what than i am, as i don't know what you may have changed |
| 13:03.43 | gnarface | ascii might fix it but might break other stuff too. i'd recommend making a backup of the system first. |
| 13:03.55 | gnarface | (if you do decide to upgrade) |
| 13:04.43 | ibanja_ | me too... I don't want to take up any more of your time... Yes, I have backups so I am not too worried about an upgrade or potential reinstall... |
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| 13:18.51 | KatolaZ | ibanja_: what do you mean by "I have problem mounting" |
| 13:18.57 | KatolaZ | are you uaing a DE? |
| 13:20.01 | ibanja_ | I'm getting a "Not authorized to perform operation" message popping up when I insert the usb |
| 13:20.30 | ibanja_ | actually the difficulty is in auto mounting. |
| 13:21.25 | ibanja_ | I can mount with root |
| 13:21.30 | ibanja_ | as root |
| 13:21.59 | ibanja_ | if by DE you mean devuan, then yes. |
| 13:22.09 | ibanja_ | jessie |
| 13:22.45 | debdog | (D)esktop (E)nvironment |
| 13:25.01 | KatolaZ | ibanja_: which DE are you using? |
| 13:25.07 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 13:25.10 | KatolaZ | desktop environment |
| 13:25.17 | KatolaZ | this looks like a session-related problem |
| 13:26.35 | KatolaZ | (dunno if you have explored that already) |
| 13:26.42 | KatolaZ | (sorry if my comment looks silly) |
| 13:28.08 | ibanja_ | Yes, to desktop--LXDE... no, to looks silly. |
| 13:29.11 | ibanja_ | I just noticed lxpolkit was not installed. I installed it and now I don't get the message, but I don't get anything else. No /dev/sdb1 listed in lsblk |
| 13:29.27 | KatolaZ | you need libpolkit |
| 13:29.31 | KatolaZ | and you need consolekit |
| 13:29.35 | ibanja_ | whereas before it showed up in lsblk |
| 13:29.44 | KatolaZ | but I don't think LXDE will work in Jessie |
| 13:29.52 | KatolaZ | since it requires libpam-systemd |
| 13:29.57 | ibanja_ | I have both now |
| 13:30.01 | KatolaZ | which is not available in Jessie |
| 13:31.02 | ibanja_ | I have LXDE on my other desktop and it's devuan -jessie |
| 13:31.23 | ibanja_ | It automounts properly |
| 13:33.56 | KatolaZ | shrugs |
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| 17:39.41 | okf | Ciao! I made an iso using refractasnaphot and it is live and cool. But when I try refractainstaller-gui from it that program doesn't work. Can you tell me why? |
| 17:39.57 | okf | I am using devuan-amd64 |
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| 17:46.08 | d9867eb | hello, I use Devuan Ceres. I got a issue with Steam. It doesnt show up in the Plasma menu but it runs fine if I start i from the terminal. |
| 17:46.28 | debdog | okf: doesn't work how? got some error message (try running it from console)? |
| 17:47.14 | debdog | okf: ...as root |
| 17:49.34 | gnarface | d9867eb: some stuff i've had to make my own icons for to get them to show up right but i don't remember that being one of them. i'm not using Plasma though either, so ymmv, but did you try running 'dpkg-reconfigure menu' then restarting Plasma, after you installed steam? |
| 17:49.54 | gnarface | *for some things |
| 17:50.13 | d9867eb | gnarface: I did not, thanks for that |
| 17:51.22 | gnarface | it's probably an issue with the steam package, would be my guess, but the question is exactly what. missing files? missing dependencies? missing postinstall hooks? |
| 17:52.02 | d9867eb | gnarface: this is a pretty small issue anyway |
| 17:55.07 | fsmithred | maybe needs a desktop file in /usr/share/applications? |
| 17:55.35 | gnarface | the thing is i got one in ~/Desktop somehow, and i thought steam put it there for me |
| 17:55.57 | gnarface | i notice it's using an icon from a cached file in ~/.* somewhere |
| 17:55.59 | fsmithred | maybe so |
| 17:56.21 | fsmithred | does it show up in your apps menu? |
| 17:56.52 | d9867eb | would you reccommend using the devuan package for steam or the official one? |
| 17:57.07 | gnarface | hmmmm.... it doesn't actually |
| 17:57.10 | d9867eb | I use the Devuan right now |
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| 17:57.36 | fsmithred | if you copy the desktop file to /usr/share/applications, it should show up in the menu automatically |
| 17:57.38 | gnarface | i have a desktop icon but it's not in the menu here either i don't think... embarrassingly enough this is the first time i've looked for it (i don't really use the menu it's too big; terminals are easier) |
| 17:58.07 | fsmithred | don't be embarrassed for using a terminal |
| 17:59.19 | KatolaZ | embarassed for using a terminal? |
| 17:59.22 | KatolaZ | what else can you use? |
| 17:59.23 | gnarface | well the menu is missing icons for several things so that doesn't appear to be a requirement here for them (in e17) |
| 17:59.24 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 17:59.26 | KatolaZ | seriously |
| 17:59.34 | gnarface | it even found my wine prefixes |
| 17:59.44 | gnarface | but not steam |
| 17:59.50 | KatolaZ | I just logged in the latest shiny scientific linux thingy at work |
| 17:59.57 | KatolaZ | it's total crap |
| 18:00.10 | KatolaZ | it cannot even start xmonad properly |
| 18:00.11 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: why? |
| 18:00.17 | KatolaZ | why I logged in? |
| 18:00.29 | KatolaZ | because if I don't I can't use the machine? |
| 18:00.55 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: why do you use scientific linux? |
| 18:01.01 | KatolaZ | me? |
| 18:01.04 | KatolaZ | the administrator |
| 18:01.10 | KatolaZ | I don't admin the machine I use at work |
| 18:01.26 | d9867eb | ok |
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| 18:02.03 | KatolaZ | seriously guys |
| 18:02.13 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: couldnt you request another a distro? |
| 18:02.18 | KatolaZ | do you find these DEs attractive, or useful? |
| 18:02.24 | KatolaZ | no d9867eb, I can't |
| 18:02.31 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 18:02.47 | d9867eb | KatolaZ: yeah I really like my plasma |
| 18:04.03 | d9867eb | well, I got another issue too with my Ceres installation |
| 18:04.42 | d9867eb | I cannot login on Plasma on Wayland. Plasma on X11 works fine. |
| 18:07.50 | fsmithred | I need to have multiple windows open and be able to copy/paste between apps. That's easier in a graphical env. |
| 18:09.13 | fsmithred | I generally use a lightweight DE or a WM because I'm impatient, and big fat DE is too slow. |
| 18:10.12 | d9867eb | fsmithred: how is a big de too slow? I never saw any difference |
| 18:10.36 | fsmithred | long time between click and action |
| 18:10.53 | fsmithred | much more noticeable in a VM |
| 18:11.17 | d9867eb | fsmithred: ok, my machine is bare |
| 18:11.33 | fsmithred | although firefox on hardware seems to be competing for how slow things can be |
| 18:12.24 | d9867eb | fsmithred: well ok fire is slow |
| 18:12.24 | fsmithred | 2G RAM here. That didn't used to matter, but now it does. I run out sometimes even using xfce |
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| 18:12.57 | d9867eb | fsmithred: 8G RAM here |
| 18:13.32 | fsmithred | in a VM, I can get to desktop with 256mb ram with xfce, but kde and gnome need more than 600. |
| 18:13.35 | d9867eb | fsmithred: i want to buy more |
| 18:14.10 | fsmithred | so do I, but I'll wait and get a new motherboard and cpu at the same time. |
| 18:15.08 | d9867eb | fsmithred: what do you think about dbus? |
| 18:15.37 | fsmithred | don't know much about it |
| 18:16.05 | fsmithred | I know it has potential for vulnerabilities, but I think you get that with any addition in complexity |
| 18:16.30 | fsmithred | (unless you're really, really smart and sure you got it right the first time) |
| 18:16.35 | Digit | hi. no zathura-mupdf in devuan repo. not sure what i need to have https://github.com/pwmt/zathura-pdf-mupdf "just work". it says "make install", i issue that, it says no "make: *** No rule to make target 'install'. Stop.". i am so failing at manual source installs. pointers greatly appreciated. |
| 18:17.50 | fsmithred | no 'configure' and 'make' before the 'make-install'? |
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| 18:18.30 | d9867eb | fsmithred: actually there are packages in debian repos that i use that aint in devuan repos. where can i file a request? |
| 18:18.50 | fsmithred | got an example of a missing package? |
| 18:19.10 | d9867eb | passenger |
| 18:19.46 | d9867eb | oh wait it is in ceres |
| 18:19.49 | fsmithred | it's in ascii, beowulf and ceres repos |
| 18:20.11 | fsmithred | everything in debian should be there except the things that require systemd |
| 18:20.41 | Digit | oh, might be because i'm missing "girara" requirement. i overlooked that from the readme. no girara in devuan either. oh well, lets see how deep this rabbit hole goes (/ how much energy i have to go deeper). |
| 18:20.56 | d9867eb | fsmithred: is it automated? |
| 18:21.10 | fsmithred | yes |
| 18:21.39 | fsmithred | amprolla merges the debian repo (minus systemd*) with the devuan packages |
| 18:22.31 | d9867eb | fsmithred: the last time i looked for passenger on ascii, i couldnt find it. guess i must have misspelled it. |
| 18:22.33 | fsmithred | Digit, there's libgirara-dev |
| 18:23.01 | Digit | this is not my day. lots of silly overlookings/pebkac. thnx. |
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| 18:30.42 | georg-gast-2 | Hi, just installed updates for devuan ascii ... |
| 18:30.46 | georg-gast-2 | this caused some trouble with eudev 3.2.2-11 -> 3.2.2-12 |
| 18:30.54 | georg-gast-2 | -> insserv: script eudev: service udev already provided! |
| 18:30.58 | georg-gast-2 | finally leaving eudev unconfigured. |
| 18:31.02 | georg-gast-2 | how to resolve this? |
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| 18:31.09 | fsmithred | remove /etc/init.d/udev |
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| 18:31.23 | fsmithred | then re-run the upgrade |
| 18:31.37 | d9867eb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.32 | d9867eb | i did that when i got that error and it worked fine |
| 18:32.48 | georg-gast-2 | thanks, looks like it worked. |
| 18:34.15 | georg-gast-2 | nonetheless, even though ascii is still testing, i feel that a plain apt-get update/upgrade should not cause such trouble |
| 18:34.39 | d9867eb | georg-gast-2: i do too |
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| 18:35.33 | d9867eb | georg-gast-2: however there isnt not as many people working on devuan as debian or other distros |
| 18:36.26 | georg-gast-2 | yes, i know ... |
| 18:36.49 | icebreaker | hey guys i have big problem, i used lvresize to shrink my main partition and now i cannot mount it, my system gets error while booting: "bad geometry: block count 179568640 exceeds size of device (175112192 blocks)" , i tried to make a new superblock with mkfs.ext4 but still not able to open my partition :/ |
| 18:37.12 | d9867eb | georg-gast-2: do you use devuan for server or desktop? |
| 18:37.30 | d9867eb | icebreaker: try fsck |
| 18:38.03 | georg-gast-2 | d9867eb: both, but right now i had the problem on my desktop |
| 18:38.47 | icebreaker | fsck says /dev/mapper/root_fs is mounted... not possible to continue |
| 18:38.48 | d9867eb | georg-gast-2: i had that on my server |
| 18:39.13 | d9867eb | icebreaker: boot a live usb and run fsck from there |
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| 18:39.26 | icebreaker | k |
| 18:39.29 | icebreaker | thx |
| 18:41.20 | georg-gast-2 | d9867eb: usually, i get the updates for the desktop first. problems are often easier to fix on the local machine than on a headless server somewhere |
| 18:43.47 | d9867eb | georg-gast-2: personally i use devuan ascii on server. it is pretty stable i think |
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| 18:52.46 | d9867eb | how about making isos containing non-free firmware so users with non-free network card can devuan install devuan? |
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| 18:53.23 | rolor2013 | Hi. Does anyone know when buster-based Devuan release will appear? |
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| 18:53.42 | d9867eb | rolor2013: not for a while |
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| 18:55.13 | icebreaker | im on live usb now but fsck still claims /dev/sda is in use |
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| 18:55.57 | icebreaker | nothing is mounted exept sdb1 |
| 18:56.04 | d9867eb | icebreaker: run lsblk |
| 18:56.52 | icebreaker | nothing is mounted |
| 18:57.06 | rolor2013 | Is currently Devuan Stable usable as desktop distro? Currently using Gentoo, but need larger amount of packages (a lot of packages I use either aren't available in standard gentoo repo or don't have their own ebuilds) |
| 18:57.31 | rolor2013 | Last time I couldn't install a lot of packages |
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| 18:58.43 | d9867eb | rolor2013: it is pretty good |
| 18:59.43 | flrn | rolor2013: i'd guess (buster-based) beowulf will appear in the exact moment, ascii is released |
| 18:59.46 | d9867eb | icebreaker: what does lsblk say? |
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| 19:00.32 | icebreaker | it says sda nothing mounted only sdb1, i cannot copy paste here |
| 19:02.03 | okf | debdog: Sorry, I had to go |
| 19:02.44 | okf | debdog: The terminal closes after I write the password |
| 19:03.27 | okf | I've installed the latest version of refractainstaller |
| 19:04.27 | okf | because the first time I've made the snapshot didin't come with the installer |
| 19:05.27 | flrn | rolor2013: and yes, jessie makes a rock solid desktop. I run it with LXDE. don't think that the other officially supported DEs make any problems either. XFCE4 is fine for sure, don't remember what other options the installer offers. |
| 19:05.38 | d9867eb | flrn: and ascii will be released when? |
| 19:05.45 | flrn | ASCII has more gnomeish options |
| 19:06.09 | flrn | d9867eb: devuan.org says "soon" ;) |
| 19:06.36 | flrn | (no idea) |
| 19:06.46 | d9867eb | flrn: yeah ok |
| 19:08.05 | d9867eb | flrn: i have run both both plasma and mate and both are running fine. |
| 19:09.01 | flrn | d9867eb: with jessie? |
| 19:09.22 | d9867eb | flrn: no ascii and ceres. |
| 19:09.42 | d9867eb | flrn: jessie is to outdated for me |
| 19:10.16 | flrn | backports is available, has all I need |
| 19:10.54 | flrn | my laptop runs ascii |
| 19:11.08 | flrn | was curious about LXqt |
| 19:11.47 | flrn | I like it, just like LXDE |
| 19:12.01 | d9867eb | flrn: i would like to buy a laptop and install devuan with mate. I would love that. |
| 19:12.03 | fsmithred | icebreaker, I think you need to open the volume and mount /dev/mapper/whatever-it's-called |
| 19:12.14 | fsmithred | and then fsck that |
| 19:13.26 | flrn | d9867eb: mate is for mates, not for me |
| 19:14.13 | flrn | (my default installation for othrs) |
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| 19:16.49 | flrn | d9867eb: not much traffic here, but rather a topic for #debianfork... |
| 19:19.31 | kl457 | exit |
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| 19:20.25 | debdog | okf: open whatever terminal programme is supplied by your DE/WM. type: su; enter password; run refractainstaller-gui |
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| 19:23.08 | okf | debdog: don't have refractainstaller-gui and gparted on snapshot.iso |
| 19:24.20 | debdog | okf: well, that's prolly why it wont work. no lcue why it is not in the package, though. is plain refractainstaller there? |
| 19:25.00 | debdog | fsmithred: ^ is the -gui not included in the package? |
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| 19:26.22 | debdog | okf: I have the package version 9.3.0 here and the -gui version is not inside. |
| 19:26.41 | debdog | though, no clue what 'the latest version' is |
| 19:28.52 | okf | from the first installation of devuan in a vmachine I've got both working gparted and refractainstaller-gui with custom password |
| 19:29.10 | debdog | okf: seems the -gui is in a separate package: refractainstaller-gui_9.2.3_all.deb |
| 19:29.36 | debdog | is that the one you've installed? |
| 19:32.37 | golinux | You can also start it from terminal. I prefer that method |
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| 19:34.28 | okf | I restored from backup and installed again that packages. |
| 19:35.14 | okf | golinux: I am not familiar with fdisk I need gparted |
| 19:35.59 | icebreaker | fsck says now: size of fs (as superblock says) is 179568640 blocks. physical size of device is 175112192 blocks. Either superblock or partitiontable broken! |
| 19:37.19 | golinux | okf: I was referring to the refractainstaller |
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| 19:39.55 | debdog | 's afk for 20 |
| 19:41.01 | golinux | okf: But you can start gparted from the terminal also. |
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| 20:03.52 | fsmithred | gui version of refractainstaller is a separate package. You can select it from the menu to start it, or you can start it in terminal with 'refractainstaller-yad' for bios install, 'refractainstaller-uefi' for uefi install. |
| 20:04.00 | fsmithred | next version there will be one that does both. |
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| 20:05.29 | debdog | k |
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| 20:09.24 | icebreaker | okay i think i know now what went wrong, i need to use resizefs to fix the partition size... problem is when i run resizefs is wants me to run e2fsck -f /dev/mapper/... and since block count is broken i have to press "y" twice for every block... so i cant let run e2fsck till end :/ |
| 20:10.52 | enyc | icebreaker: humm... e2fsck -yf /dev/mapper/... might be appropriate |
| 20:12.07 | icebreaker | that instantly kills it because first question is: superblock damaged, abort (y)... |
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| 20:15.26 | icebreaker | i could try put a stone or something on y key wile work tomorrow, i hope i works :P |
| 20:16.22 | avbox | how to enable bluetooth in devuan. I added bluetooth, bluez and bluez-firmware, after there should be bluetooth-agent, but I don't find it |
| 20:18.45 | msiism | avbox: how are you trying to find it? |
| 20:20.00 | enyc | icebreaker: that can work ;p |
| 20:20.20 | enyc | icebreaker: silyl question but is any of this down to e2fs bugs? |
| 20:20.54 | enyc | icebreaker: Tytso himself acknowledged there ave bene a LARGE number of bugfixes in e2fsprogs 1.43.* series and reccomends upgrade to 1.44.0 (or at least 1.39.9) |
| 20:20.58 | enyc | err 1.43.9 |
| 20:21.36 | avbox | msiism: I thought bluetooth-agent is responsible for it, but I can't find it |
| 20:22.14 | msiism | avbox: so, you are trying to find a package called "bluetooth-agent" and install that? |
| 20:23.57 | okf | debdog: golinux: Thank you! It is working now |
| 20:24.31 | okf | :) |
| 20:24.35 | golinux | Great! |
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| 20:24.53 | avbox | msiism: No, it is written that bluetooth-agent is part of bluez |
| 20:25.38 | msiism | avbox: and no you want to run it? |
| 20:25.44 | msiism | now... |
| 20:28.02 | avbox | Yes, but there is no bluetooth-agent at all in the system, what I find is bluetoothctl, this I can start and I get the device, but in the docs there is written bluetooth-agent should do the job |
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| 20:28.23 | msiism | avbox: which docs? |
| 20:29.16 | msiism | avbox: docs of bluez i suppose. but were? |
| 20:29.43 | avbox | miism: https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 20:29.55 | msiism | avbox: thanks |
| 20:31.59 | msiism | avbox: are you on devuan jessie or ascii? |
| 20:32.21 | avbox | miism: jessie |
| 20:32.56 | msiism | avbox: ok, that could be the reason bluetooth-agent is not available. |
| 20:33.18 | msiism | avbox: but you can use bluetoothctl as described on theat wiki page then, can't you? |
| 20:33.55 | avbox | I can start bluetoothctl, I can power on, but what to do then? |
| 20:34.32 | msiism | avbox: it's in the wiki pages, isn't it? |
| 20:34.50 | msiism | avbox: in the paragraph before "Troubleshooting" |
| 20:38.55 | avbox | miism, I tired that, power on is ok, but then 'devices' I have no result |
| 20:40.13 | msiism | avbox: ok, unfortunately i can't help you with that. i don't have bluetooth on my machine. but you could have a look at the troubleshooting section. |
| 20:41.20 | msiism | avbox: btw (just in case you ddin't know already), there is usually auto-completion of nicks of people you want to address when you hit tab. |
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| 21:21.30 | avbox | msiism: I got it to work with bluetootcl, I even can send a file from my mobile, but don't know where it goes. Do you have any idea? |
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| 21:44.00 | _stephen_ | @chillfan It seems to be working great. Now I just have to come up with a practical use for it... In addition to testing devuan builds, I mean. |
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| 21:48.11 | fsmithred | If I want to install kde, should I un-check 'Devuan desktop environment' in the tasksel window? |
| 21:48.33 | fsmithred | do I need to do that to avoid xfce? |
| 21:53.27 | fsmithred | found my answer. No. task-desktop recommends xfce or other DE. |
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| 22:14.26 | ibanja_ | Ran into problems with a fresh install of devuan jessie, followed by an upgrade to ascii. During apt-get dist-upgrade I encountered a "update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header" followed by a cascade of "dpkg: error processing package" errors |
| 22:14.43 | ibanja_ | does anyone have any ideas as to what is going on here |
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| 22:16.55 | golinux | ibanja_: Did you update and upgrade before changing sources and dist-upgrading? |
| 22:17.39 | golinux | Are you using the pkgmaster.devuan.org repos? |
| 22:19.12 | ibanja_ | yes, I updated and upgraded as jessie first |
| 22:20.09 | ibanja_ | I am using http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ... all I did was change jessie to ascii in the sources.list |
| 22:20.17 | ibanja_ | it that the wrong repo? |
| 22:21.03 | ibanja_ | I didn't freshly update the install iso... could that be a problem? |
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| 22:25.07 | ibanja_ | actually, I see the iso is the same as the one I have. |
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| 22:30.03 | avbox | has someone expierence with blueman? |
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| 22:49.40 | golinux | ibanja_: For ASCII switch to pkgmaster.devuan.org Here's the "official" recommendation: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180104.094957.51adce01.en.html |
| 22:52.01 | ibanja_ | ok.. thanks for that... should I keep the path on merged? as in http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged |
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| 22:52.42 | ibanja_ | or change to devuan |
| 22:54.11 | freem_ | Hello. SPeaking of devuan, is there a way to have package's descriptions in aptitude? Seems strange, but I don't have it, I probably made something wrong at installatation. |
| 22:54.23 | ibanja_ | from http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt it would appear I should go with merged. |
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| 22:55.22 | ibanja_ | freem: do you mean when you run something like "aptitude show udev" |
| 22:55.25 | ibanja_ | ? |
| 22:55.44 | golinux | Merged, updates and security |
| 22:56.05 | ibanja_ | ok, thanks golinux |
| 22:56.43 | freem_ | ibanja_, for example. Or just run aptitude in ncurses mode. The description field is just empty. |
| 22:57.36 | golinux | ibanja_: If you poke around the dng mail list and d1g forum there's plenty of info about this. |
| 22:59.07 | ibanja_ | ok. I will do that. thanks |
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| 23:00.21 | ibanja_ | freem_: sorry, I don't use the ncurses mode, so can't help there. |
| 23:00.59 | golinux | Here's the link: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/dng@20380101.000000.00000000.en.html |
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| 23:02.55 | freem_ | ibanja_: just noticed that this info is in the /var/lib/dpkg/status* files, I wonder why aptitude can't see it. |
| 23:04.18 | ibanja_ | maybe try running in the console to see if it shows up that way. then you can know if its the ncurses mode or something else |
| 23:04.45 | ibanja_ | thanks for the link golinux. |
| 23:04.50 | freem_ | well, it does not |
| 23:05.24 | freem_ | I think it's a bug inside aptitude, typical to devuan. Maybe some link not updated? |
| 23:05.30 | ibanja_ | hmm... what package are you looking at. |
| 23:05.36 | ibanja_ | I can try on my end |
| 23:05.45 | freem_ | for example, libvorbisfile3 |
| 23:06.16 | freem_ | (the 1st one on /var/lib/dpkg/status here) |
| 23:06.41 | ibanja_ | I see a description... I get: Description: high-level API for Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec |
| 23:06.43 | freem_ | Since I installed devuan through a debootstrap, I may have missed something :) |
| 23:07.12 | ibanja_ | right |
| 23:07.34 | freem_ | it should be a multiline stuff but yeah, I would expect something like this |
| 23:08.02 | freem_ | I know the packages I use almost by heart, so it's not *that* annoying, but still |
| 23:08.25 | ibanja_ | I am not sure. maybe someone else can verify, but maybe a forced reinstall of devuan-baseconf |
| 23:09.04 | ibanja_ | I don't know enough about the underpinnings to be much further help |
| 23:09.06 | freem_ | devuan-baseconf? |
| 23:09.29 | ibanja_ | here's the description :) :Description: Devuan base config files |
| 23:09.30 | ibanja_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.30 | ibanja_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.30 | ibanja_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.53 | freem_ | oh damn |
| 23:10.12 | ibanja_ | Like I said, maybe get a second opinion first |
| 23:10.31 | freem_ | I should have said, I know lot of *debian* packages, so I thought I was ok... |
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| 23:12.25 | freem_ | still no description field. BUt I think I should tinker a little with that package |
| 23:12.52 | ibanja_ | ok... hope you get it |
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| 23:14.33 | ibanja_ | freem_: I just looked at the dpkg -L output and there are only two files, so I am not sure that would help. /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid-systemd and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/05disable-suggests |
| 23:15.15 | freem_ | those files are not related to descriptions |
| 23:15.24 | freem_ | preferences and preferences.d/ |
| 23:15.38 | freem_ | are linked to how to select files to update |
| 23:16.31 | freem_ | apt.conf and apt.conf.d/* are linked to... various apt's configuration stuff, like, automatic install of recommended or suggested packages. |
| 23:17.16 | ibanja_ | that's what I am saying. I thought the package was something else |
| 23:18.20 | freem_ | I'm reinstalling the whole system after installation of the devuan package, it may fix the problem |
| 23:18.36 | freem_ | at least, you gave me a direction to explore, thanks a lot :) |
| 23:19.08 | ibanja_ | no problem |
| 23:23.40 | freem_ | ok, no change finally. there must be something else wrong in my system. |
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