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| 11:13.13 | nailyk | hi all. I still have the logout/shutdown problem on my home computer, and cannot find again the useful link you sent me about it some times ago (mailing list) |
| 11:14.12 | nailyk | can someone past it me again please ? |
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| 11:30.19 | flrn | nailyk: you probably just need to replace libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd and libpolkit-backend-1-0-systemd by the elogind or consolekit version |
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| 11:36.41 | nailyk | will try thanks |
| 11:37.13 | nailyk | (they are already installed) |
| 11:42.02 | nailyk | thanks. It point out I had elogind but used consolekit backend instead of elogind one. Now it is solved, with no manual packages installation |
| 11:42.04 | nailyk | thanks :) |
| 11:42.21 | nailyk | Always fast and good anwser here. You are the best in #devuan ! |
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| 15:04.22 | msiism | i've just been looking at the following bug report again: https://bugs.devuan.org/db/19/190-b.html |
| 15:05.17 | msiism | i would have something to add to that (a minor thing) that is, however, not strictly on topic. so, i'm unsure if i should rather post a new bug report. |
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| 15:07.05 | msiism | my addition would just be to hint at the fact that the ascii-security stanzas in the file still have the "# ascii-security, previously known as 'volatile'" line before them, which is wrong. |
| 15:25.15 | KatolaZ | msiism: please add it to the bug report |
| 15:25.45 | msiism | KatolaZ: ok. |
| 15:26.08 | KatolaZ | thanks! |
| 15:28.49 | msiism | yw |
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| 16:40.37 | msiism | in the dependency considerations for desktop environments in ascii, the first line in the task-kde-desktop block is "Depends: lightdm **(DROP sddm!)**". what's the reason for this? i'm not a kde user, but i know that sddm is what kde officially uses. so, why drop it? |
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| 18:17.56 | Irrwahn | msiism: That document is outdated, please disregard it. (IIRC, at some point sddm would not work under certain circumstances; alas, I blissfully what the exact conditions were. ;-) |
| 18:18.23 | Irrwahn | * blissfully forgot |
| 18:18.24 | fsmithred | you forgot to say forgot |
| 18:18.27 | Irrwahn | lol |
| 18:18.58 | fsmithred | yeah, I remember something about sddm not working, possibly the auth mechanisms |
| 18:19.25 | fsmithred | but I just upgraded a kde install that's using sddm, and I don't see any problems |
| 18:19.32 | Irrwahn | correct |
| 18:20.10 | fsmithred | all you guys who descended into the bowels of hell with that stuff did a great job |
| 18:20.34 | Irrwahn | the document msiism was referring to was already obsolete when the changes were being implemented |
| 18:21.11 | Irrwahn | well, I have another trip to hell in front of me - namely testing the new backend packages constructed by gnu_srs |
| 18:21.34 | Irrwahn | implying he's already been to hell and back twice :D |
| 18:24.21 | msiism | Irrwahn: thanks for the info. |
| 18:24.35 | Irrwahn | yw :) |
| 18:26.33 | Irrwahn | Note however that for KDE lightdm still gets installed - if only to have a styled DM (no Devuan theme for sddm ATM, thus looks a bit bland). |
| 18:26.56 | fsmithred | yeah, I know |
| 18:27.24 | fsmithred | I installed it back when sddm was the default, and I also have lightdm installed. |
| 18:27.35 | msiism | Irrwahn: it's a bit funny, like if you had used GDM with KDE in the past. |
| 18:28.32 | Irrwahn | msiism: yeah, granted. But it at least made one particular user (or rather his customer) happy to have at least on styled alternative DM. :) |
| 18:29.39 | Irrwahn | In the future I'd like to see Devuan themes for the Qt stuff, but I'm pretty sure that's not trivial. |
| 18:30.15 | msiism | Irrwahn: good. i'm just reading fsmithred's notes on xserver-xorg-legacy in ascii. as it seems, i'll be able to stay with "startx". |
| 18:30.25 | fsmithred | I keep forgetting to look at the kde dir in destkop-base |
| 18:30.55 | fsmithred | yeah, that was freaky - the only way I can run xorg as user is WITHOUT a dm. |
| 18:31.09 | fsmithred | and without xserver-xorg-legacy |
| 18:31.29 | Irrwahn | Well, startx has it's merits. Personally I have become accustomed to having a DM. |
| 18:31.41 | Irrwahn | fsmithred: Uh? How's that? |
| 18:31.42 | fsmithred | and I was responding to someone who said they could do it without elogind or dbus. |
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| 18:32.32 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8009#p8009 |
| 18:32.45 | fsmithred | brb |
| 18:32.52 | Irrwahn | Well, the latter makes sense, since no xsession has to be constructed by a DM, am i right? |
| 18:34.26 | Irrwahn | Okay, I skimmed the thread. It appears I'm not only wrong but it's all a mess. :-/ |
| 18:34.33 | msiism | Irrwahn: well, for me a login/display manager only makes sense if it provides a fast user switching dialog since i usually have two user accounts running at the same time. |
| 18:35.06 | msiism | still then, Crtl+Alt+F[n] is faster. |
| 18:35.36 | Irrwahn | Right. |
| 18:36.18 | Irrwahn | I guess I just gave up fighting the bloat in some areas. |
| 18:37.29 | mmaglis | fsmithred: I am running startx as a normal user without xserver-xorg-legacy, logind, polkit, dbus. |
| 18:40.46 | Irrwahn | I wonder if at some point I should continue my minimalistic non-gnu linux system pet project. currently it's only a kernel + toybox + shell though. Nothing to seriously get stuff done with. |
| 18:41.16 | msiism | Irrwahn: what's the gnu replacement? |
| 18:41.59 | msiism | ok, toybox is sth like busyboy, i guess. |
| 18:42.05 | msiism | and what's the shell? |
| 18:42.37 | Irrwahn | well, toybox for the usual utilities, a BWK original awk, mksh for the shell ... not much more ATM, and i's been stalled for so long I don't remember all details. everything built with musl/clang, of course.# |
| 18:43.05 | fsmithred | I guess I'll try it again and start removing packages. |
| 18:43.56 | msiism | Irrwahn: i see. i don't know too much about these things. what's better in musl libc than in glibc, apart from it being smaller, afaik. |
| 18:44.27 | msiism | fsmithred: ok, cool, can you add your finding to the forum thread later? |
| 18:44.43 | Irrwahn | msiism: It's much lighter in my experience, and for one important thing: it's still possible to build *real* static executables. |
| 18:44.44 | fsmithred | yeah, if anything is different, I will report |
| 18:44.58 | msiism | fsmithred: thanks. |
| 18:45.41 | Irrwahn | msiism: I just today was bitten by glibcs inability to statically link non-trivial programs. |
| 18:45.56 | msiism | Irrwahn: ok, i don't know what a static executable is. never mind. i'll get to that at some point. |
| 18:46.50 | Irrwahn | msiism: Well, statically linked means the lbrary code is included in the executable (think "self-contained"), as opposed to dynamically linked, where the library code is pulled in at runtime. |
| 18:47.34 | Irrwahn | Usually you want the latter, but occasionally I'd like to have static binaries that will never change their behaviour over their lifetime. |
| 18:47.57 | msiism | Irrwahn: ok, well that's confusing terms then. i'd call that buil-in vs. modular. but then i'm not a professional programmer. |
| 18:48.13 | msiism | Irrwahn: i see. |
| 18:49.27 | Irrwahn | For example, it's nice to have a statically built shell and busybox (or similar) as an emergency fall-back in your initrd. Just in case something goes terribly wrong. |
| 18:49.44 | msiism | ok |
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| 19:06.54 | not-a-bird | How do people generally make a new rootfs for an arch or device that doesn |
| 19:07.09 | not-a-bird | t currently have devuan? |
| 19:07.24 | not-a-bird | The debootstrap? |
| 19:07.30 | not-a-bird | Or that live sdk? |
| 19:08.39 | not-a-bird | Noooooo, desmume segfaults on me! |
| 19:09.10 | msiism | not-a-bird: well, if it's only about creating a partition and a filesystem on that, you could use fdisk. but that's probably not what you want. |
| 19:09.46 | not-a-bird | No, I mean a devuan rootfs with the base system on it. |
| 19:10.03 | msiism | not-a-bird: ok, i see. i have no idea about that. sorry. |
| 19:10.04 | not-a-bird | I suppose I should have gone to the arm channel for this, but it |
| 19:10.13 | not-a-bird | 's not necessarily limited to arm.. |
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| 19:25.22 | KatolaZ | not-a-bird: ? |
| 19:33.29 | not-a-bird | I popped over to devuan-arm and asked there. |
| 19:34.24 | not-a-bird | short story: I took a bootable sd card and ripped a devuan rootfs for armhf and then once I had it booting I was able to build a new kernel and everything is awesome now. |
| 19:35.00 | not-a-bird | But I'd like a way to make the process repeatable, so I was trying to figure out if I should build the rootfs with the sdk or if I should use debootstrap. |
| 19:35.37 | not-a-bird | I mean, sure, the process is repeatable, but it requires fetching two different os images, merging parts from each, and then rebuilding the kernel on it once it boots up... |
| 19:37.13 | not-a-bird | And now I |
| 19:38.07 | not-a-bird | And now I have a tinkerboard and a tiny lcd all plugged into a massive battery with a keyboard on it... I could disappear at any time, the battery isn |
| 19:38.10 | not-a-bird | t full. |
| 19:38.18 | not-a-bird | And I dont have a way to tell how much power is left in it. |
| 19:38.50 | not-a-bird | I'm super happy with the setup. |
| 19:39.38 | not-a-bird | Though I've run into a new wrinkle. desmume segfaults. |
| 19:40.01 | not-a-bird | And the source I found for it on github seems to want newer build utilities... |
| 19:40.25 | not-a-bird | So maybe it's time to build an ascii image. |
| 19:42.30 | not-a-bird | oh, I need food... later, all. |
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| 20:42.50 | fsmithred | msiism, I tried startx again. It won't work for me without libpam-elogind, which pulls in elogind and dbus, but not the libpolkit packages. |
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| 20:52.05 | merzbow | anyone know why my slim doesn't want to show up? pretty fresh install of ceres here |
| 20:52.42 | debdog | slim or x-server? |
| 20:54.03 | merzbow | pretty sure it's a slim issue, though ... I think it may be related to my 'host'. I just said @localhost in the gui install, and I have been getting a few errors about that just when I startx |
| 20:55.19 | debdog | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:55.58 | msiism | fsmithred: ok, good to know. will that automatically be arranged when updating from jessie to ascii? |
| 20:56.23 | debdog | merzbow: elogind is running? |
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| 20:57.49 | fsmithred | msiism, will what be automatic? |
| 20:58.10 | fsmithred | merzbow, what version of slim? |
| 21:01.58 | msiism | fsmithred: well, will i have to do anything by hand to make it work (startx as a normal user) after i've upgraded to ascii? |
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| 21:02.18 | fsmithred | I guess it depends on what you have installed |
| 21:02.18 | merzbow | sorry x crashed |
| 21:02.22 | fsmithred | ouch |
| 21:02.48 | msiism | fsmithred: ok, well. i'll make a tst run before the real tehing happens. |
| 21:03.17 | fsmithred | I don't really understand it. |
| 21:03.44 | fsmithred | seems like we should be able to run X as user when using a display manager. |
| 21:03.51 | msiism | fsmithred: i'll test it before i'll upgrade my main system |
| 21:04.05 | merzbow | fsmithred it's slim 1.3.6-5.1+devuan2 |
| 21:04.56 | merzbow | I may have not set the right host/groups or something, I get "sudo: unable to resolve host localhost.localdomain" whenever I run sudo command. |
| 21:05.01 | fsmithred | that's an ancient version. Try the one from ascii |
| 21:05.10 | merzbow | oooh that must be it |
| 21:05.20 | fsmithred | actually, it looks like it's in ceres, too |
| 21:05.30 | fsmithred | 1.3.6-5+devuan4 |
| 21:05.34 | msiism | fsmithred: well, i'm able to "startx" as a normal user, but Xorg will be running as root. |
| 21:05.42 | fsmithred | oh |
| 21:06.03 | fsmithred | you still have the legacy package? |
| 21:06.12 | msiism | i'm on jessie still |
| 21:06.19 | fsmithred | oh, nm |
| 21:06.23 | msiism | making preparations to upgrade |
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| 21:06.42 | fsmithred | merzbow, run 'apt-cache policy slim' |
| 21:06.52 | fsmithred | tell me if you see both versions |
| 21:07.17 | merzbow | only one candidate |
| 21:07.36 | fsmithred | the one you have? |
| 21:07.52 | merzbow | ya, though my sources.list is just ascii/main so far |
| 21:08.02 | fsmithred | oh |
| 21:08.07 | fsmithred | it's in ascii-proposed |
| 21:08.10 | fsmithred | and ceres |
| 21:08.13 | fsmithred | and jessie |
| 21:08.15 | fsmithred | weird |
| 21:09.19 | fsmithred | and you want to upgrade to ceres? |
| 21:09.52 | merzbow | I'm fine with ascii actually, just coming up from jessie |
| 21:10.01 | fsmithred | oh, ok. Good. |
| 21:10.25 | fsmithred | oh, I read my output wrong. You have the ascii version. |
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| 21:52.48 | msiism | fsmithred: have you noticed the question on backports that came up the inkscape thread on d1g? (https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8011#p8011) |
| 21:53.03 | fsmithred | didn't read that one |
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| 21:53.58 | msiism | golinux suggested you probably know an answer |
| 21:54.59 | fsmithred | yeah, you should not need to pin backports |
| 21:55.03 | fsmithred | however... |
| 21:55.16 | fsmithred | there have been a couple of occasions when you needed to pin backports |
| 21:55.33 | fsmithred | when pkgmaster was new |
| 21:55.49 | fsmithred | and I think way back when packages.d.o was new |
| 21:55.53 | msiism | i see. |
| 21:56.01 | msiism | yes, i remember the last one. |
| 21:56.04 | chillfan | Yeah, the latter was the case |
| 21:56.22 | fsmithred | either pin or comment out after you get what you need |
| 21:56.44 | msiism | fsmithred: so you should still do that? |
| 21:56.54 | fsmithred | can't hurt to do it |
| 21:57.16 | msiism | fsmithred: well, no. it's just a bit inconvenient. |
| 21:57.50 | fsmithred | you can check before installing |
| 21:57.57 | fsmithred | just run 'apt-cache policy' |
| 21:58.03 | fsmithred | with no package name |
| 21:58.23 | msiism | ok, that's nice. |
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