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| 01:19.19 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 06:07.27 | FatPhil | fork debian :/ |
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| 07:40.54 | tocsa | Hi there! I'm writing this from a fresh devuan installation |
| 07:41.03 | tocsa | I'm going with Devuan ascii |
| 07:41.20 | tocsa | I'd like to install snap (snappy) for installing more development tools |
| 07:41.32 | tocsa | Anyone installed snapd on Devuan? |
| 07:44.15 | tocsa | It's there in Debian Stretch: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=snapd |
| 07:45.28 | tocsa | And Devuan Ascii is based on Stretch. So I don't know why apt does not see it |
| 07:46.01 | tocsa | "E: Unable to locate package snapd" |
| 07:47.32 | zer0def | snapd is dependent on systemd, might be that unmitigatedly dependent |
| 07:50.55 | tocsa | Oh boy! I did not think about that. I shot myself on the foot again? |
| 07:51.06 | zer0def | try flatpak |
| 07:51.11 | zer0def | or appimage, whatever |
| 07:51.27 | tocsa | Thanks, I'll check those out |
| 07:51.46 | tocsa | I'll have to install multiple different versions of Python |
| 07:57.06 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.07 | zer0def | so like python2 and python3? those have been made to co-exist since forever, probably a non-concern |
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| 08:15.38 | nacelle | or use pyenv |
| 08:18.04 | tocsa | Well, I'm trying to not digress from our company guideline which uses snap right now |
| 08:18.42 | tocsa | Yes Python2 and 3 co exists so I may just go flat without complicating |
| 08:19.34 | tocsa | @gnarface: if snapd is systemd based then it's better to not use it I say. Some non systemd distributions use shims and stuff to workaround |
| 08:19.50 | tocsa | So that explains why I would not see snapd in the repos |
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| 08:20.16 | gnarface | tocsa: you tried "apt-get update && apt-get install snapd" and it didn't work? |
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| 08:20.45 | gnarface | tocsa: i don't actually know whether it depends on systemd or not |
| 08:21.04 | tocsa | @gnarface for sure. The main thing which sets apart Devuan from Debian is that Devuan is *not* systemd based |
| 08:21.24 | tocsa | @gnarface: actually I did not check that either |
| 08:22.18 | tocsa | @gnarface: yeah, it looks like it. Gosh! |
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| 08:23.03 | gnarface | tocsa: you're on ascii? can i see the sources.list? |
| 08:24.42 | tocsa | Well... |
| 08:25.59 | gnarface | hmmm, well i guess i'm not seeing it here either, just snap |
| 08:26.06 | tocsa | I warn you that right after a fresh install I'm already balls deep |
| 08:26.10 | tocsa | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main non-free |
| 08:26.10 | tocsa | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main non-free |
| 08:26.10 | tocsa | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main non-free |
| 08:26.10 | tocsa | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main non-free |
| 08:26.10 | tocsa | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main |
| 08:26.11 | tocsa | deb http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ testing non-free |
| 08:26.13 | tocsa | deb-src http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ testing non-free |
| 08:26.15 | tocsa | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates non-free |
| 08:26.17 | tocsa | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates non-free |
| 08:26.19 | tocsa | deb http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ testing-updates non-free |
| 08:26.21 | tocsa | deb-src http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ testing-updates non-free |
| 08:26.53 | gnarface | ok, since you're new, you should know that pasting multiple lines is called "flooding" and is considered rude in irc |
| 08:26.58 | tocsa | Ok I tripped the flood protection. So the first 4 lines are the original entries |
| 08:27.04 | gnarface | i don't mind, but there are 243 other people |
| 08:27.17 | gnarface | just use paste.debian.net next time |
| 08:27.25 | tocsa | I'll next time |
| 08:27.52 | tocsa | So as you can see I needed non-free for certain firmwares |
| 08:28.06 | gnarface | yes, you've got some duplicates here though |
| 08:28.19 | tocsa | And I installed 4.14 kernel from stretch-backports |
| 08:28.41 | tocsa | Where do I have dups? |
| 08:28.53 | gnarface | "testing" and ascii are the same thing |
| 08:29.04 | gnarface | worse, they won't always be the same thing forever |
| 08:29.28 | gnarface | try this for your sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/1013905/ |
| 08:29.32 | gnarface | i think you wanna use that |
| 08:29.57 | gnarface | oh sorry, you will have to add non-free to the end of those 6 lines but that's all |
| 08:30.20 | gnarface | you might want "contrib" too |
| 08:30.53 | tocsa | I see |
| 08:30.59 | tocsa | I'll clean it up a little |
| 08:31.03 | tocsa | Thanks |
| 08:31.12 | gnarface | no problem |
| 08:31.23 | gnarface | sorry about snapd i can't help with that |
| 08:31.45 | gnarface | someone might be working on rebuilding it without systemd, i dunno |
| 08:31.57 | tocsa | No problem |
| 08:32.06 | gnarface | if you use pkgmaster you'll see the updated packages the quickest |
| 08:32.20 | tocsa | Oh! |
| 08:32.24 | tocsa | I wanted to ask |
| 08:32.51 | tocsa | During my installs it was not available at some point, but maybe it was just the wifi firmware acting up... |
| 08:32.59 | tocsa | That's why I picked the 3rd choice |
| 08:33.13 | tocsa | All right |
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| 08:33.50 | tocsa | Can you adwise Devuan way of forwarding to 4.14 kernel or so? |
| 08:34.38 | tocsa | ascii has 4.9 and the laptop keyboard backlight and other function buttons only work well after I think 4.11 or so |
| 08:35.48 | gnarface | did you check ascii-backports? |
| 08:36.04 | gnarface | oh, wait i don't know if they're even there yet |
| 08:36.07 | gnarface | worth checking |
| 08:36.39 | gnarface | if not, i would just try building the ceres kernel package (it's on 4.14) |
| 08:37.43 | gnarface | oh hmmm |
| 08:38.02 | gnarface | if ascii-backports exists though, there is a 4.14 kernel there already |
| 08:38.23 | gnarface | (since i see it here in the stretch-backports: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch-backports&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-amd64) |
| 08:40.56 | tocsa | Ok, I'll try that later |
| 08:40.59 | tocsa | Thanks |
| 08:41.35 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 08:49.34 | Centurion-Dan2 | o/ |
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| 09:22.53 | Criggie | Has anyone got mythtv-frontend installed successfully on ascii ? |
| 09:23.18 | Criggie | I'm not sure if I should fiddle with deb-multimedia's binaries or go try compile from source. |
| 09:23.35 | Criggie | My backend host is a debian machine still (mostly cos I haven't had time to reinstall it) |
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| 10:43.19 | nelson11 | which nvidia driver do i install for gtx 670m and 4.15.0-1-amd64 ? |
| 10:48.18 | nelson11 | i try sgfxi |
| 10:50.39 | nailyk | about the polkit issue, it didn't fixed 'on his own'. I had to explicit install 'policykit-1' |
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| 11:15.53 | temy | Is Devuan Ascii as stable as Debian Stretch? I plan to migrate from Stretch to Ascii. |
| 11:17.34 | KatolaZ | temy: according to review on distrowatch, Devuan ASCII is more stable than Debian Stretch :D |
| 11:18.09 | temy | That's great then :) |
| 11:18.30 | temy | I will migrate when I have time :) |
| 11:19.29 | enyc | temy: there are (fixable) snags with things like elogind/consolekit backends for automounting and stuff |
| 11:19.51 | enyc | temy: i'm not sure to what extent there are complete install/changeover instructions/FAQ in this regard |
| 11:20.00 | enyc | there have been some very helpful mailing-list messages on those niggles |
| 11:21.51 | KatolaZ | those will be fixed in the RC |
| 11:22.29 | temy | Seems no problem to me |
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| 11:57.04 | FlibberTGibbet | i like ascii's predictable network interface naming. i named mine "eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces, and i predict it will still be called that after a reboot :D |
| 11:57.37 | FlibberTGibbet | it was a breeze tweaking ascii after i finally got the new box online... |
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| 12:35.50 | ejr | i am trying to upgrade from jessie to ascii and get an error about unmet dependencies for python3. the -f option doesn't solve it. |
| 12:35.53 | ejr | what can I do? |
| 12:39.53 | KatolaZ | ejr: which error? |
| 12:40.20 | KatolaZ | and what are you doing exactly? |
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| 12:46.19 | ejr | Katolaz: i am apt-upgrading. The error is python3 : Depends: python3-minimal (= 3.4.2-2) but 3.5.3-1 is installed |
| 12:46.39 | ejr | followed by: python3-apt depends: ... [several packages] |
| 12:46.51 | KatolaZ | ejr: you should |
| 12:46.54 | KatolaZ | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:46.59 | KatolaZ | not just apt-get upgrade |
| 12:47.22 | KatolaZ | after having replaced "jessie" with "ascii" in your sources.list |
| 12:47.26 | KatolaZ | adn after having given |
| 12:47.32 | KatolaZ | apt-get update |
| 12:47.54 | ejr | that gives me a similar error: |
| 12:47.55 | ejr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.55 | ejr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.09 | KatolaZ | it should continue though |
| 12:48.17 | KatolaZ | and btw, that package is not in jessie |
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| 12:49.09 | KatolaZ | ejr: apt-get -f install |
| 12:49.16 | KatolaZ | then, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:50.31 | ejr | apt-get -f install gives me another error |
| 12:50.32 | ejr | ImportError: cannot import name '_remove_dead_weakref' |
| 12:50.32 | ejr | dpkg: error processing package python3.5-minimal (--configure): |
| 12:50.32 | ejr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.02 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 12:51.10 | ejr | I'm not really sure how python3 was installed, maybe via backports or pip |
| 12:51.18 | ejr | i guess i've entered dependency hell :) |
| 12:51.21 | KatolaZ | ejr: you are mixing repos perhaps? |
| 12:53.45 | ejr | no, i only have the two standard repos in there, and previously i had them (in jessie) + security + jessie-backports |
| 12:54.08 | KatolaZ | 12:51 < ejr> I'm not really sure how python3 was installed, maybe via backports or pip |
| 12:54.13 | KatolaZ | ^^^^^ ????? |
| 12:56.24 | ejr | as I said, jessie-backports were in the repo list, and pip(does that count as repo?) |
| 12:56.39 | ejr | but pip was not in sources.list |
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| 14:19.52 | buZz | lol, why is someone on DNG complaining about default wallpapers? |
| 14:20.30 | buZz | what are they even |
| 14:21.30 | buZz | ah, these https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base/blob/master/backgrounds/your-way_darkpurpy-narrow-large.png |
| 14:22.31 | buZz | my wallpaper is xsetroot -solid black :P |
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| 16:29.20 | golinux | gnarface: Regarding snapd should tocsa ever come back . . . it's a banned package: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
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| 16:32.48 | HumanG33k | hi |
| 16:33.31 | gnarface | i see |
| 16:33.39 | HumanG33k | do you know how can i remove a systemd dependancy when i rebuild a debian package ? |
| 16:33.47 | HumanG33k | (transmission) |
| 16:34.28 | HumanG33k | CMakeLists.txt ? |
| 16:34.40 | gnarface | depends on the package really |
| 16:34.51 | HumanG33k | tr_auto_option(WITH_SYSTEMD "Add support for systemd startup notification (on systems that support it)" AUTO) |
| 16:34.52 | gnarface | is there a ./configure script? |
| 16:34.59 | gnarface | maybe it's just ./configure --without-systemd |
| 16:35.10 | HumanG33k | maybe i can put it to off |
| 16:35.41 | KatolaZ | HumanG33k: where is transmission depending on systemd? |
| 16:36.02 | KatolaZ | (I mean, which version?) |
| 16:36.18 | HumanG33k | i do some test on buster |
| 16:36.27 | HumanG33k | -2.92 |
| 16:36.31 | KatolaZ | I see |
| 16:36.37 | KatolaZ | the ascii version does not have this problem |
| 16:36.46 | KatolaZ | but is it depending on systemd or just on libsystemd0? |
| 16:36.51 | KatolaZ | (I guess the latter one, tbh) |
| 16:36.58 | HumanG33k | maybe itâs just for build init script |
| 16:37.05 | HumanG33k | let me check |
| 16:37.16 | KatolaZ | just look in debian/control |
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| 16:38.51 | HumanG33k | libsystemd0 |
| 16:39.18 | HumanG33k | for transmission-daemon |
| 16:39.21 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:39.37 | HumanG33k | itâs bad doctor ? |
| 16:39.38 | KatolaZ | then, if you don't have systemd, that dep is harmless, right? |
| 16:39.58 | MinceR | who knows |
| 16:40.06 | MinceR | upstream delivers updates to it, do they not? |
| 16:40.26 | KatolaZ | MinceR: whan can libsystemd0 do if systemd is not running? |
| 16:40.40 | HumanG33k | i donât know, iâm not aware enouqh about systemd dependencies |
| 16:40.48 | HumanG33k | (but i want to learn ) |
| 16:40.53 | MinceR | afaik the current version does nothing, but it could be changed to do anything if something calls a function in it |
| 16:41.08 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 16:41.20 | MinceR | and its interface could be changed frequently to force downstream to update it often |
| 16:41.27 | KatolaZ | so... |
| 16:41.48 | KatolaZ | sorry, but I don't really understand the fear for lubsystemd0 |
| 16:41.55 | KatolaZ | it's like fearing libxinerama |
| 16:42.02 | KatolaZ | on a system that has no xinerama syupport |
| 16:42.04 | MinceR | it's not fear, it's lack of trust |
| 16:42.19 | HumanG33k | MinceR, do you have technical read about all this stuff ? |
| 16:42.22 | KatolaZ | MinceR: just read the code |
| 16:42.25 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:42.31 | MinceR | i think i've seen the code |
| 16:42.43 | MinceR | but it could be updated to include anything by upstream |
| 16:43.20 | KatolaZ | yes MinceR |
| 16:43.24 | KatolaZ | any library could... |
| 16:43.42 | MinceR | yes, but afaik most libraries aren't controlled by a party that is trying to destroy unix |
| 16:43.53 | KatolaZ | ok I am out :D |
| 16:43.58 | MinceR | or one that stated "Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call" |
| 16:44.31 | KatolaZ | I remain convinced that there are better ways to help fighting systemd than removing libsystemd0 deps from any package |
| 16:45.02 | KatolaZ | but I might be wrong |
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| 16:46.01 | MinceR | those ways are not mutually exclusive with removing libsystemd0 |
| 16:46.49 | KatolaZ | sure |
| 16:47.01 | KatolaZ | the only problem being that maintainers like to remove libsystemd0 |
| 16:47.11 | KatolaZ | but not to keep the "sanitized" packages updated |
| 16:47.13 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 16:47.29 | MinceR | yeah |
| 16:47.33 | KatolaZ | removing libsystemd0 is *trivial* |
| 16:47.36 | KatolaZ | and *costless* |
| 16:47.45 | MinceR | so we don't have enough manpower to keep packages updated? |
| 16:47.53 | KatolaZ | what needs energy is keeping all these packages updated |
| 16:48.09 | KatolaZ | we do, but not if we have to remove libsystemd0 deps from any package |
| 16:48.23 | hgunth | MinceR: Well, rebuilding samba to include security updates took 6+ months. |
| 16:48.30 | KatolaZ | (which is useless anyway, IMHO) |
| 16:48.43 | KatolaZ | hgunth: there was another problem there... |
| 16:49.22 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 16:50.13 | MinceR | ouch |
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| 17:05.40 | HumanG33k | (sry phone call) other question how easy is to migrate from current debian stable to devuan ? |
| 17:10.11 | clemens3 | or just through packages out that want to depend on systemd.. like reduce the debian pool from 20000+ packages or whatever that might be to 180000 or so, or 20k.. and reduce supported WMs, half supported DEs.. ..:) |
| 17:10.25 | clemens3 | s/through/throw/; |
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| 17:11.07 | clemens3 | s/20000\+/200'000\+/; |
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| 17:13.51 | KatolaZ | clemens3: it's easy to do that, but this would leave a huge amount of users without choice |
| 17:14.10 | KatolaZ | basically, all the users who are used to have a full-featured DE |
| 17:14.38 | KatolaZ | (I am personally using a bunch of tabbed xterms in WMaker, so I couldn't care less, TBH) |
| 17:15.04 | KatolaZ | the thing is that making a universal distro is not about catering for your own needs... |
| 17:15.17 | clemens3 | KatolaZ: yes, wasn't really serious about, but just an idea, because I see how much you put into it to support gnome and I don't know what, and in the end, everbody only needs one WM anyway |
| 17:15.19 | HumanG33k | how can i be more active in the devuan project |
| 17:15.42 | HumanG33k | iâm interrest by automate things |
| 17:16.10 | KatolaZ | clemens3: unfortunately if you look at distrowatch comments, for example, people like the fact that they can install KDE or MATE in Devuan |
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| 17:16.25 | KatolaZ | they don't give a toss to WindowMaker or FVWM2... |
| 17:16.47 | HumanG33k | i use i3wm |
| 17:17.15 | HumanG33k | but i use debian testing ⦠|
| 17:17.24 | KatolaZ | HumanG33k: do you have any esperience of packaging? |
| 17:17.33 | KatolaZ | (Debian packaging, I mean) |
| 17:17.44 | clemens3 | KatolaZ: yes, so I laud your efforts.. but hopefully those projects don't make themselves extra dependend on systemd.. I assume sometimes it is debian adding the dependency, sometimes it is the upstream mentallity.. |
| 17:17.52 | HumanG33k | a little |
| 17:18.13 | HumanG33k | i need a mentor to understand more |
| 17:18.31 | HumanG33k | what tool do what and why |
| 17:19.02 | HumanG33k | i learn fast |
| 17:19.02 | KatolaZ | HumanG33k: are you confident with the Debian package maintainer guide? |
| 17:20.02 | HumanG33k | confident ? like fluent with for language ? |
| 17:20.35 | HumanG33k | i read it several time but i think is not explain well |
| 17:21.22 | HumanG33k | and if create from a simple hello_word is easy itâs more complicated with a real software |
| 17:21.36 | KatolaZ | that's the thing :) |
| 17:21.44 | KatolaZ | second, HumanG33k how are you at git? |
| 17:21.45 | HumanG33k | i need real exemple |
| 17:22.27 | HumanG33k | not the best but i can do pull push commit branche |
| 17:23.04 | HumanG33k | i have a master degree in computer science. |
| 17:23.24 | KatolaZ | HumanG33k: a degree won't save you :D |
| 17:23.33 | HumanG33k | i know that |
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| 17:23.47 | KatolaZ | most of Debian was done by people without a CS degree |
| 17:23.54 | KatolaZ | (and many of them without a degree at all) |
| 17:23.57 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 17:24.05 | HumanG33k | and i administrate my own servers |
| 17:24.06 | KatolaZ | but I got your point |
| 17:25.01 | HumanG33k | i currently dev web app (php) and an irc client in c++. |
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| 17:25.56 | HumanG33k | so i can do patch if needed |
| 17:26.28 | HumanG33k | i want to improve free software qualities |
| 17:27.44 | HumanG33k | more unit testing, security checking, code coverage |
| 17:28.08 | KatolaZ | HumanG33k: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 |
| 17:28.26 | KatolaZ | this is a short overview of the Devuan-specific package pipeline |
| 17:30.38 | HumanG33k | ok |
| 17:31.38 | HumanG33k | do you have specific step on the source code before packaging ? |
| 17:32.05 | HumanG33k | currently how itâs working |
| 17:32.50 | HumanG33k | git clone - add debian package rules - add it to upstream ? - send it to the auto builder ? |
| 17:33.06 | KatolaZ | HumanG33k: please read the link I posted |
| 17:38.18 | HumanG33k | read |
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| 17:39.05 | HumanG33k | when you build you compile source code right ? |
| 17:39.28 | KatolaZ | HumanG33k: you said you are knowledgeable with package maintainance... |
| 17:39.36 | KatolaZ | yes |
| 17:39.49 | KatolaZ | building a package is producing the binary package from the sources |
| 17:40.03 | KatolaZ | using the control files inside the "debian/" folder |
| 17:41.37 | HumanG33k | not only we have to had so pre post script |
| 17:41.58 | HumanG33k | ? |
| 17:41.58 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 17:42.50 | HumanG33k | (before of course) but there is some test on this part |
| 17:43.02 | HumanG33k | script well execute |
| 17:43.04 | HumanG33k | ? |
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| 17:43.37 | HumanG33k | itâs include in the building step ? |
| 17:44.01 | HumanG33k | sry if my question looks ridiculous |
| 17:44.24 | KatolaZ | 17:43 < HumanG33k> script well execute <- HumanG33k: what do you mean here? |
| 17:45.01 | HumanG33k | unit testing on pre post script for exemple |
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| 17:47.21 | KatolaZ | HumanG33k: packages are build on cowbuilder |
| 17:47.34 | KatolaZ | and no, there is no testing of pre/post scripts |
| 17:47.40 | KatolaZ | that should be done by the maintainer |
| 17:47.44 | KatolaZ | before uploading the package |
| 17:48.10 | HumanG33k | ok |
| 17:49.34 | HumanG33k | i will take time to try following the link you send me. |
| 17:49.45 | HumanG33k | maybe next week |
| 17:50.15 | HumanG33k | there is a page with package list need to be maintain ? |
| 17:50.55 | golinux | <buZz> [08:19:46] lol, why is someone on DNG complaining about default wallpapers? |
| 17:51.12 | golinux | It's mostly personal, I think. |
| 17:51.30 | KatolaZ | HumanG33k: not that many in ASCII |
| 17:51.35 | KatolaZ | there will be plenty in Beowulf |
| 17:51.42 | KatolaZ | but the repo is not online yet |
| 17:51.47 | golinux | I responded with a lesson 101 on how to change wallpapers |
| 17:52.02 | KatolaZ | nope golinux |
| 17:52.15 | KatolaZ | you responded with a 664 lesson |
| 17:52.20 | KatolaZ | the 101 lesson is |
| 17:52.29 | KatolaZ | $ man xset |
| 17:52.31 | KatolaZ | :P |
| 17:52.45 | golinux | LOL! |
| 17:53.29 | golinux | wonders if there is any special significance to 664 . . . |
| 17:53.42 | KatolaZ | well, if 101 is a primer |
| 17:53.53 | KatolaZ | 664 gotta be a post-graduate level module |
| 17:53.55 | KatolaZ | :P |
| 17:54.18 | golinux | Feel free to continue the schooling on DNG |
| 17:54.37 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 17:54.43 | KatolaZ | I am bad at schooling |
| 17:54.58 | golinux | Isn't changing the wallpaper the first thing most people do? |
| 17:55.01 | buZz | golinux: purple is a offensive color, i guess :D |
| 17:55.18 | golinux | No I am offensive to him. ;) |
| 17:55.22 | buZz | ooo |
| 17:55.52 | HumanG33k | that conversation should go in fortune-devuan package |
| 17:55.53 | golinux | He is going through one of his episodes, I think. Sad really. |
| 17:55.59 | KatolaZ | tries to remember what wallpaper might lie behind the 7/8 levels of tabbed xterms.... |
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| 17:56.22 | KatolaZ | oh there you go |
| 17:56.40 | KatolaZ | it was ALT+m |
| 17:56.43 | golinux | HumanG33k: Yeah more than off-topic. |
| 17:56.44 | KatolaZ | and then I got it |
| 17:57.01 | KatolaZ | I see an Egyptian Goose |
| 17:57.37 | golinux | Like ancient. Quite apt actually. |
| 17:58.23 | golinux | b'fast time here. |
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