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| 01:24.45 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 07:03.07 | Mukyuuuu | thinking of trying the ascii beta today. what do you guys think? how useable is it? |
| 07:06.17 | gnarface | probably fine if you don't use Gnome |
| 07:06.29 | gnarface | occasional package related regressions |
| 07:06.52 | Mukyuuuu | I prefer MATE and KDE myself |
| 07:07.00 | gnarface | well, it's at least as usable as the jessie beta was |
| 07:07.12 | gnarface | mabye more so because the kernel isn't so old |
| 07:07.23 | Mukyuuuu | huh |
| 07:07.32 | Mukyuuuu | that's good to hear |
| 07:07.46 | gnarface | it's probably important to mention this one caveat; i haven't tested the default install |
| 07:08.26 | gnarface | i'm using it on several headless servers, an arm64 laptop and a video streaming box, all of which i did in expert mode from jessie (custom minimal installs) then upgraded |
| 07:08.45 | gnarface | actually that's not completely true - the arm64 laptop was debootstrapped |
| 07:09.32 | gnarface | so i dunno you might find minor glitches here and there in the default configuration |
| 07:09.47 | gnarface | i personally don't consider those things to be showstoppers, but some might |
| 07:09.59 | gnarface | network-manager isn't the default |
| 07:10.51 | gnarface | but i don't use it or wicd so i don't care |
| 07:11.03 | gnarface | people have complained about the usual bugs in both (nothing really devuan specific) |
| 07:11.25 | gnarface | but i do my network configuration by hand so this isn't a big deal to me |
| 07:11.33 | gnarface | you may want a second opinion from a more casual user |
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| 07:14.44 | Mukyuuuu | oh I use expert mode always anyway but thanks for letting me know! |
| 07:15.54 | Mukyuuuu | I do prefer to use network-manager myself, especially since I never learned to handle manually doing WLAN configuration |
| 07:16.19 | Mukyuuuu | I can only do wired networking configuration manually |
| 07:16.33 | gnarface | well it wasn't ready and it wasn't popular in this scene, so they went with wicd as the default instead. network-manager was later fixed and is now available though |
| 07:16.53 | Mukyuuuu | huh. |
| 07:17.01 | gnarface | but it's just not the default, as people would be used to |
| 07:17.14 | Mukyuuuu | I don't remember what my problem was with wicd, probably that it wasn't as configurable as network-manager though |
| 07:17.36 | Mukyuuuu | but I don't know how the latest versions of the two stack up |
| 07:17.48 | gnarface | i honestly couldn't tell you |
| 07:17.50 | Mukyuuuu | since I've just been using Jessie with some backports basically, for years now |
| 07:18.06 | gnarface | but i could probably help you with a manual wifi setup if it's simple |
| 07:19.09 | gnarface | if you already know how to edit /etc/network/interfaces for a static wired setup, really it's just a case of installing wpa_supplicant and knowing a couple extra field names to populate |
| 07:19.20 | Mukyuuuu | hm well just telling me like a brief overview of how to configure for WLAN manually would be really cool but if you don't wanna or are too busy or something then don't worry about it |
| 07:19.34 | gnarface | that's it really |
| 07:19.41 | Mukyuuuu | oh |
| 07:19.52 | gnarface | wpa-ssid and wpa-psk i think |
| 07:19.55 | Mukyuuuu | I didn't see that message till now for some reason |
| 07:20.34 | gnarface | there are a couple others but usually you don't have to define all the options. in most cases with modern gear of matching protocol versions you just have to define the ssid and password |
| 07:21.02 | gnarface | of course, managing multiple connections might get ugly past there though |
| 07:21.14 | gnarface | that's not something i really have to do a lot |
| 07:22.09 | gnarface | i can actually get the exact field names if you give me a second |
| 07:22.19 | gnarface | you should be able to find them in the man pages honestly thogh |
| 07:22.34 | gnarface | the trisk is knowing how to find them amongst all the noise |
| 07:22.39 | gnarface | *trick |
| 07:22.41 | Mukyuuuu | hmm. I heard of wpa_supplicant... oh, sure I'm not in a rush |
| 07:23.09 | Mukyuuuu | I don't seem to be very good at dealing with the noise |
| 07:23.58 | gnarface | well, practice does help |
| 07:24.53 | gnarface | oh, you might also need to install a dhcp client of your choice, but i believe wpa_supplicant automatically does pick one |
| 07:25.09 | gnarface | yea, confirmed, the fields are wpa-ssid and wpa-psk |
| 07:25.26 | gnarface | (make sure to remove global read access from the /etc/network/interfaces file after you put your wifi password in it though) |
| 07:25.53 | gnarface | (alternately you could hook a external script in but that's probably overkill on single user system) |
| 07:29.23 | Mukyuuuu | huh |
| 07:31.06 | gnarface | that might not be everything though |
| 07:31.17 | gnarface | if your wifi hardware requires non-free firmware it might not be installed by default |
| 07:31.25 | gnarface | (depending on your installation options) |
| 07:31.41 | gnarface | the package names from the debian wiki are still accurate for those though |
| 07:32.24 | gnarface | mostly intel, broadcom, and atheros, as well as some realtek ones |
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| 07:36.05 | Mukyuuuu | well thanks for all the help |
| 07:36.22 | Mukyuuuu | looks like a friend of mine will get some use out of this info too |
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| 07:46.44 | gnarface | no problem, Mukyuuuu |
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| 07:47.08 | gnarface | don't let me discourage you from trying network-manager - i'm sure any testing is appreciated |
| 07:47.41 | gnarface | as i recall, the last person in here having problems with it had just somehow managed to install it without removing wicd and they were fighting over the connection |
| 07:48.22 | gnarface | (but the symptoms "disconnects immediately from wifi" matched an earlier intel wifi firmware bug in jessie that was supposed to be fixed in ascii already)_ |
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| 17:55.46 | nailyk | hi. Updated my work ascii today and the fix about policy kit seems to be ok. |
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| 23:22.15 | qwertyuo\p | For over a day, my install of devuan has been stuck at "Creatint ext2 file system for /boot in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda)... |
| 23:24.08 | qwertyuo\p | Should I pull the plug (literally) and start over? I'm not sure what I can do... |
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