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| 13:15.54 | lupin3rd | hi, anyone can help me with a problem with nvidia-driver ? |
| 13:17.57 | gnarface | if it's self-inflicted, probably. if it's their fault... no |
| 13:18.15 | lupin3rd | dmesg | grep nvidia |
| 13:18.15 | lupin3rd | [ 1.391265] udevd[120]: Error running install command for nvidia |
| 13:18.15 | lupin3rd | [ 3.752148] nvidia: loading out-of-tree module taints kernel. |
| 13:18.15 | lupin3rd | [ 3.752155] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. |
| 13:18.15 | lupin3rd | [ 3.768557] nvidia-nvlink: Nvlink Core is being initialized, major device number 246 |
| 13:18.15 | lupin3rd | [ 3.768823] nvidia 0000:01:00.0: enabling device (0406 -> 0407) |
| 13:18.17 | lupin3rd | [ 8.574156] nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms 384.111 Tue Dec 19 22:56:18 PST 2017 |
| 13:18.20 | lupin3rd | [ 8.583503] [drm] [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Loading driver |
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| 13:19.59 | lupin3rd | i have an udevd error on startup |
| 13:20.06 | gnarface | lupin3rd: (in general you're better off just typing the specific problem or question before asking permission, but you'll be auto-kicked if you flood, so use a pastebin) |
| 13:20.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | please don't paste stuff into channel like this |
| 13:20.24 | lupin3rd | ok :-) |
| 13:22.55 | lupin3rd | i have two video card... primus |
| 13:22.59 | lupin3rd | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 (rev 06) |
| 13:23.12 | lupin3rd | 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 950M] (rev a2) |
| 13:23.25 | gnarface | oh one of those things |
| 13:23.37 | lupin3rd | i would to disable intel... but my bios dn't have this option :-( |
| 13:23.41 | gnarface | so you need to look into something called bumblebee, that's about all i know about it |
| 13:24.06 | lupin3rd | i know bumblebee, that permit to switch and it works :-) |
| 13:24.06 | gnarface | you won't be able to disable the intel card without the bios option, but you can use bumblebee to enable using it as a passthrough for the nvidia card |
| 13:24.31 | lupin3rd | but i would only use nvidia and no bumblebee |
| 13:24.47 | gnarface | as far as i know that's not possible with that hardware but i could be wrong |
| 13:25.04 | gnarface | hmmm,.... i wonder if libreboot could fix something like that |
| 13:25.08 | lupin3rd | i install in a partition ubuntu...and ubuntu load only nvidia driver, no bumblebee and all works fine |
| 13:25.19 | gnarface | are you sure? |
| 13:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder which bios doesn't allow disbaling internal graca |
| 13:25.59 | gnarface | optimus hardware i guess, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:26.03 | gnarface | (laptops) |
| 13:26.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 13:26.19 | lupin3rd | laptop |
| 13:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | laptop double-ouch |
| 13:26.22 | lupin3rd | hp |
| 13:26.28 | gnarface | DocScrutinizer05: [GeForce GTX 950M] < "M" for mobile |
| 13:27.23 | gnarface | so they're both internal, but there's only one connector |
| 13:27.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the more crappy card should be disabled by default |
| 13:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's worth nothing obviously |
| 13:28.08 | gnarface | on some models that is the case but it's rare |
| 13:28.14 | gnarface | most vendors usually put the intel one first |
| 13:28.27 | gnarface | i guess the idea being to save battery life with it |
| 13:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | !kline |
| 13:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | !sigyn |
| 13:30.40 | gnarface | lupin3rd: maybe ubuntu is just using a newer intel driver and it works so much better you thought it was the nvidia driver? |
| 13:31.10 | kline | DocScrutinizer05, hm? |
| 13:31.24 | gnarface | there were purportedly a bunch of intel performance fixes semi-recently but i'm not sure they're all in jessie |
| 13:31.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | !sigyn is a spam killer bot, /msg Sigyn unkline <nick> ( you must be opped - 15 minutes after kline max ) |
| 13:31.30 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 13:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | kline: sorry |
| 13:32.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | !sigyn |
| 13:32.06 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, sigyn is a spam killer bot, /msg Sigyn unkline <nick> ( you must be opped - 15 minutes after kline max ) |
| 13:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sigyn: help |
| 13:32.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty autistic bot |
| 13:33.42 | lupin3rd | i'm using ceres |
| 13:34.11 | lupin3rd | and also try from bpo to install last intel-microcode, last vidia driver |
| 13:34.14 | lupin3rd | :-) |
| 13:34.35 | kline | DocScrutinizer05, stop being an idiot |
| 13:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 13:35.31 | gnarface | lupin3rd: is it possible that ubuntu is using nouveau? |
| 13:35.57 | gnarface | lupin3rd: you've verified in the Xorg log? |
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| 13:39.09 | gnarface | lupin3rd: if it's using nouveau, maybe it's using DRI_PRIME=1 |
| 13:39.32 | gnarface | lupin3rd: i had forgotten there was one other option now https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Optimus/ |
| 13:39.44 | gnarface | i dunno what the chances are of it working though |
| 13:44.11 | gnarface | well, better than i thought apparently |
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| 13:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe freenode staff with poorly picked nicjs should stop insulting users |
| 13:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | or stop being freenode staff |
| 13:53.21 | lupin3rd | ubuntu use nvidia |
| 13:53.27 | lupin3rd | i installed nvidia-driver |
| 13:53.31 | lupin3rd | i will check |
| 13:53.37 | lupin3rd | thank you |
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| 13:58.29 | hgunth | !poettering |
| 13:58.29 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal |
| 13:59.51 | hgunth | Maybe that could be expanded to cover freenode staff with poor names? 'sth is freenoding' maybe? |
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| 14:23.18 | xkr47 | the urls don't work!! |
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| 14:39.11 | abcabc | lol @poettering |
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| 14:42.59 | robgriff444 | anyone any idea when plasma 5.12 will be available? |
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| 14:47.58 | KatolaZ | robgriff444: it might be available in beowulf |
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| 14:54.17 | robgriff444 | that's cool, i got a ryzen 3 and using solus with plasma 5.12 but I have been trying to get away from systemd for so long!!! |
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| 14:56.36 | KatolaZ | robgriff444: ascii is reported to work fine with ryzen, IIRC |
| 14:57.00 | abcabc | i found odd behavior in linphone, it tries to call home to an OVH address. Firewalling it fixed other odd behavior, like call tab closing, leaving audio open. |
| 14:57.26 | abcabc | sha256 matches package and binary |
| 14:57.43 | abcabc | i'll post more data later. |
| 14:57.47 | KatolaZ | abcabc: linphone comes from Debian |
| 14:57.51 | robgriff444 | KatolaZ: I tried ascii in virtualbox today and it reported my ryzen so seems ok AFAIK but KDE 5.8 is a bit of a dealbreaker |
| 14:57.55 | KatolaZ | it has not been forked |
| 14:57.58 | abcabc | 3.6,1 in jessie |
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| 15:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hgunth: usually freenode staffers are extremely gelpful, plite and friendly |
| 15:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | helpful, and polite* excuse my typos |
| 15:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | abcabc: that sounds quite nasty |
| 15:36.17 | abcabc | more info later |
| 15:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta! |
| 15:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | just a hint: twinklephone should be free of any "call home" stuff |
| 15:37.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless they changed that during the last 5 years |
| 15:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas no genuine PolypAudio support, and the ALSA-PA emu doesn't play nice with twinkle, particularly when using BT headsets or USB attached audio interfaces |
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| 15:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | <3 twinkle's scripting hooks and CLI |
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| 15:49.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | also <3 twinke's "runs on unix" approach |
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| 15:49.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | implies no poettering, no dbus |
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| 17:45.56 | _abc_ | Hello again |
| 17:46.12 | _abc_ | DocScrutinizer05: fsmithred what do you make of this: http://http://5.12.50.61:8888/w/linphone-problem-1.txt |
| 17:46.41 | _abc_ | I found a weird ip in linphone which causes it to misbehave apparently. Firewalling it cured it. The ip is not in strings. |
| 17:46.50 | fsmithred | asking about the format of the url or the content on the page? |
| 17:46.54 | _abc_ | Can someone look at this and tell what I hould make of that? |
| 17:46.57 | _abc_ | fsmithred: content |
| 17:47.09 | _abc_ | u:none p:none |
| 17:47.57 | _abc_ | I mean it's cute that linphone has a hard coded address of a gambling site in France since 2006 and nobody noticed? |
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| 17:50.09 | _abc_ | Note I am not using STUN at all, and netstat shows no STUN server connected |
| 17:50.22 | fsmithred | I don't know enough to comment |
| 17:50.24 | _abc_ | Again, where the heck is this coded, and where does that string come from? |
| 17:50.40 | _abc_ | I'll set up a script to strings(1) all ldd's linphone is linked against |
| 17:51.24 | _abc_ | http://linphone-users.nongnu.narkive.com/XK9S3SQe/linphone-phone-home example discussion relevant to this |
| 17:52.07 | fsmithred | look in the source code |
| 17:52.19 | _abc_ | Hm? I do not have the source. Should I? |
| 17:52.33 | fsmithred | apt-get source linphone |
| 17:52.46 | fsmithred | it'll create a directory and give you a tarball |
| 17:52.50 | fsmithred | do it as use |
| 17:52.54 | fsmithred | user |
| 17:53.03 | fsmithred | then grep |
| 17:53.25 | _abc_ | I assume it is not in the binary since the ascii string is not there |
| 17:54.00 | _abc_ | It would not be obfuscated by any honest coders. 'Local interface to reach' should be ascii in strings. |
| 17:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | abcabc: URL malformed, after correcting asks for auth |
| 17:54.44 | _abc_ | So search in source may be useful, but not in the linphone ones |
| 17:54.52 | _abc_ | DocScrutinizer05: u:none p:none |
| 17:55.04 | _abc_ | url was not malformed when I pasted it |
| 17:55.16 | _abc_ | Oh double http sorry |
| 17:56.06 | _abc_ | Now, linphone is linked against quite a few libs which are some of them also .solibs |
| 17:56.13 | _abc_ | I need to write a script which deals with this |
| 17:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | abcabc: http://87.98.157.38/ |
| 18:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, looks like mere idiocy |
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| 18:01.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe check your DNS traffic to see which URL resolves to 87.98.157.38 |
| 18:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | might only be a help page of linphone, or whatever |
| 18:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, seems they fekked up thoroughly |
| 18:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | _abc_: you seem my recommendation to look into twinklephone instead? |
| 18:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen, even |
| 18:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | linphone never worked particularly well for me, ever |
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| 18:20.15 | _abc_ | twinklephone is not in debian jessie, will look again. I installed ekiga, it does not like my remote vpn pbx setup |
| 18:20.24 | _abc_ | The string was found in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/liblinphone.so.5 |
| 18:20.37 | _abc_ | Which is one of the 30 or ldds linked to linphone. |
| 18:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ekiga never did shit for me |
| 18:21.16 | _abc_ | DocScrutinizer05: did you read my link? None of the linphone urls built into it point there |
| 18:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sflphone and linphone at least somewhat worked |
| 18:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes I did read the whole thing. I suggest wireshark with a filter on DNS (53?) and content - in reply - 87.98.157.38 |
| 18:23.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure your local cache got flushed |
| 18:23.57 | _abc_ | 87.98.157.38 is present in liblinphone.so.5 -- fsmithred was right, have to look at source |
| 18:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | wireshark also dissects SIP just fine, even plays back the RTP stream |
| 18:24.28 | fsmithred | loves plain text |
| 18:24.55 | _abc_ | How do I apt-get download linphone-src ? just like that? |
| 18:25.06 | fsmithred | apt-get source linphone |
| 18:25.29 | fsmithred | didn't you already do that? |
| 18:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a new dir |
| 18:26.29 | _abc_ | I got the bin for sha256. Added sources to sources.list and getting |
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| 18:28.09 | _abc_ | slowly. |
| 18:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could think of linphone trying to check connection by giving a test phonecall to a server hosted by aithors. And that server is no more |
| 18:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | or acts funny |
| 18:28.28 | _abc_ | That is not a good idea in general. |
| 18:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course not |
| 18:28.59 | _abc_ | is it permissible to rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* ? |
| 18:29.05 | _abc_ | Should that not be in a cache |
| 18:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 18:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* woukdn't dare |
| 18:29.48 | _abc_ | ye oflittle faith |
| 18:29.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I'm an apt noob |
| 18:30.01 | _abc_ | It should refresh itself no? |
| 18:30.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get update |
| 18:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no? |
| 18:31.09 | _abc_ | I get a lot of duplicate source list entries on sudo apt-get update with srcs enabled |
| 18:31.15 | _abc_ | What does this mean? |
| 18:31.24 | KatolaZ | _abc_: post your sources.list please |
| 18:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't need sudo |
| 18:31.41 | KatolaZ | it's impossible to say what something means by not looking at the cause... |
| 18:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 18:32.08 | _abc_ | I need sudo since I'm normal user, no? Locks required on cache etc? |
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| 18:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt noob here |
| 18:32.53 | KatolaZ | _abc_: please post the sources.list somewhere |
| 18:33.48 | _abc_ | http://http://5.12.50.61:8888/w/sources.list.txt u:none p:none |
| 18:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, "missing permissions: /var/lib/apt/libs/lock" or somesuch |
| 18:34.19 | _abc_ | err I don't understand whence the double http comes, must be copy in ff address bar that adds it |
| 18:34.34 | _abc_ | http://5.12.50.61:8888/w/sources.list.txt |
| 18:34.37 | KatolaZ | _abc_: you have two backports |
| 18:35.04 | KatolaZ | _abc_: ^^^ |
| 18:35.13 | _abc_ | good catch. Been staring at that page for 10 minutes. |
| 18:35.18 | _abc_ | Thanks |
| 18:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat foo|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 18:36.05 | _abc_ | wrong window? |
| 18:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 18:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 18:36.25 | _abc_ | wrong os |
| 18:36.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 18:36.38 | fsmithred | don't you need a pipe in there, Doc? |
| 18:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't you see the pipe? |
| 18:37.01 | fsmithred | yeah, now I do |
| 18:37.09 | fsmithred | now that I know it's not a j |
| 18:37.32 | _abc_ | So to accelerate apt one could tmpfs mount /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
| 18:37.38 | _abc_ | right/wrong? |
| 18:38.06 | _abc_ | du -sk /var/lib/apt/lists -> ~74MB |
| 18:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would that speed up stuff? |
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| 18:39.02 | _abc_ | slow media mounted under /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 18:39.11 | _abc_ | slow on write, but... |
| 18:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure faster than your download |
| 18:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly faster than a full download that might be not needed at all if you had not nuked the dir since on tempfs |
| 18:41.46 | _abc_ | Okay, lol. The developers used that address because it was a "known" public address?! |
| 18:42.05 | _abc_ | Source file coreapi/misc.c has at ~L1117 the relevant code |
| 18:42.41 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.52 | _abc_ | That second address is another public ipv6 I get |
| 18:43.31 | _abc_ | and the ipv6 belongs to google |
| 18:43.47 | _abc_ | Why did they choose that silly addr belonging to jeux24.fr ?! |
| 18:44.08 | _abc_ | This still does not explain why it crashed the conversation tab before I firewalled it |
| 18:44.26 | _abc_ | And not after. I need to retrace all my steps. This is not so amusing. |
| 18:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | tail -n +1100 coreapi/misc.c | head -n 150 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 18:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | please |
| 18:45.31 | _abc_ | hehe |
| 18:46.07 | _abc_ | http://termbin.com/0gqv |
| 18:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta! |
| 18:47.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, STUN the silly way |
| 18:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
| 18:47.57 | _abc_ | yeah they "guess" what outside is by relying on a strange OHV host. Google I understand, but that?! |
| 18:48.19 | _abc_ | And I am not using STUN at all, it just runs that to find the address and the gateway next hop |
| 18:48.29 | _abc_ | Does not even dns it |
| 18:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even STUN, simply trying to determine interface |
| 18:48.50 | _abc_ | Whatever it does, it's not okay to scare people like that |
| 18:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a very weird way to do stuff |
| 18:49.30 | _abc_ | linphone_core_get_local_ip_for(..., NULL, ...) gets that |
| 18:50.14 | _abc_ | anyway, don't laugh, ekiga gets it bumbled even worse |
| 18:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure about _that_ |
| 18:50.41 | _abc_ | Note this machine is on a 2x nat'd local ethernet and has a vpn connection out when used with linphone. Fun. |
| 18:50.58 | _abc_ | So NO guessing is a very good idea. Especially when I told it not to. |
| 18:51.03 | _abc_ | And yet... |
| 18:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | try twinklephone. It has such stuff configurable, and when you don't provide a config, it uses smarter methods than linphone for achieving this, iirc |
| 18:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I fail to understand why linphone needs to determine the interface at all, to start with |
| 18:56.04 | _abc_ | Is that in jessie or outside |
| 18:56.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | twinklephone? |
| 18:57.03 | _abc_ | package name is twinkle |
| 18:57.10 | _abc_ | not twinklephone |
| 18:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 18:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | version should be ~1.9 |
| 18:57.37 | _abc_ | 1.10+ |
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| 18:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good |
| 18:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you may enjoy the German locale |
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| 18:58.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 18:58.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | twinklephone.com |
| 18:58.57 | _abc_ | Not a problem. I speak German. But I hope it does fewer stupid things than other sip clients |
| 18:59.00 | _abc_ | I know |
| 18:59.08 | _abc_ | I've used twinkle before, was okay, years ago. |
| 18:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope so too |
| 18:59.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 18:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise Michel and me did a poor job |
| 19:00.05 | _abc_ | Oh, you're one of the authors? |
| 19:00.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | testing, bug fixing, design and German locale |
| 19:00.38 | _abc_ | nice |
| 19:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | in 2008 |
| 19:00.57 | _abc_ | history |
| 19:01.09 | _abc_ | I will have to upgrade openscad from source soon |
| 19:01.19 | _abc_ | The one in jessie is ancient, I need features from 2017 |
| 19:01.24 | _abc_ | jessie's is 2014 |
| 19:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the German locale is a novel |
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| 19:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's like 6 times the size of all other locales |
| 19:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't stop myself from that |
| 19:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and scripting and CLI, basically my babies at leasz 50% |
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| 19:09.06 | _abc_ | I only use the C locale on this system. |
| 19:09.22 | _abc_ | With German qwertz keyboard though. Typing code is fun. |
| 19:09.28 | _abc_ | AltGr-lots |
| 19:09.57 | _abc_ | Okay, thanks for the help, mysteries solved I guess. |
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| 22:55.58 | clemens3 | arg, on linux any non us locale suxx |
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| 23:06.27 | msiism | clemens3: why? (also, if i'm not mistaken, things differ between gnu and non-gnu linux systems) |
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| 23:18.44 | msiism | can anyone recommend an X terminal emulator that does not depend on any gui toolkit, is (easily!) configurable, lightweight and has good color support? |
| 23:20.14 | msiism | also, a special feature i'm looking for is the ability to color the root promt on a per-user basis (not sure if that exists at all). |
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| 23:36.36 | clemens3 | msiism: there are too many different hot key systems, to little standards, x, virtual machines.. z y here and there.. windows/mac hot keys.. already complicated with us/english keyboard, every additional exotic language just adds even more to the mess, and for sure most software was not tested with more than one or two languages |
| 23:37.42 | clemens3 | every software has their own keybindings.. so personally I gave up configuring language anymore |
| 23:38.22 | msiism | clemens3: sound like a problem going way beyond the problem of locales to me, though. |
| 23:39.21 | clemens3 | I am on mac, vbox, tmux, emacs, weechat, all with their own hot keys.. yes, locaes just add to the mix with a garanty the developer hasn't tested my locale |
| 23:40.02 | msiism | clemens3: what locale are you using? |
| 23:40.12 | clemens3 | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:40.40 | clemens3 | standard pc us keyboard |
| 23:40.58 | clemens3 | of course, I have some local characters printed on the keyboard |
| 23:41.15 | clemens3 | would have to import any other keyboard layout |
| 23:44.18 | msiism | clemens3: i recently tried to find a reasonable remapping for nano's obscure default keybindings. but then i decided to go for vi. problem solved..., sort of. |
| 23:45.24 | clemens3 | simple clipboard text functionality on unix/linux imho is not solved, big mess.. |
| 23:45.42 | clemens3 | but that is another topic.. |
| 23:46.08 | msiism | clemens3: well, in x u tend to just mark stuff with the mouse and then use the mddle button to paste |
| 23:46.17 | msiism | s/u/i/ |
| 23:46.24 | clemens3 | msiism: tmux uses ctrl-b, but that is used in emacs.. screen uses ctrl-a, but that is used in bash emacs etc. |
| 23:46.56 | clemens3 | msiism: middle mouse button, you say it, I am on make, they started with a single mouse button I think |
| 23:47.11 | clemens3 | I have a touch pad, no mouse |
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| 23:47.34 | clemens3 | and am in a virtual terminal with gpm, so no copy paste to x :/( |
| 23:47.49 | clemens3 | at least gpm and tmux work |
| 23:48.44 | msiism | clemens3: well, conflicting key bindings are probably _the_ user dilemma of keyboard driven interaction with an operating system. |
| 23:49.10 | msiism | (apart from the speed vs. potentially hazardous typos) |
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| 23:51.12 | clemens3 | msiism: I just tested, in x with xterm and touchpad, the paste with simulated middle mouse button doesnt work for me |
| 23:52.29 | clemens3 | it works in gpm however |
| 23:52.59 | clemens3 | maybe my vbox is messing it up |
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| 23:55.11 | clemens3 | anyway, enough complained, let's enjoy the good old US keyboard setting:).. |