| 00:00.08 | Xenguy | -!- Home page for #devuan: http://devuan.org |
| 00:00.18 | Xenguy | -!- Home page for #devuan: https://devuan.org |
| 00:00.30 | Xenguy | FTFY : -) |
| 00:02.06 | devuanewest | not sure where to find it. |
| 00:02.24 | Xenguy | devuanewest: hang on... |
| 00:03.00 | Xenguy | https://wiki.debian.org/Sound |
| 00:03.40 | devuanewest | ugh, yeah I was on their faq page |
| 00:03.58 | Xenguy | That's good to read too : -) |
| 00:05.18 | devuanewest | but should there not be a sound settings somewhere in settings at all? I find it remarkable that it is not |
| 00:05.22 | Xenguy | fsmithred: I got my network latency sorted (I'm surprised I didn't do it sooner). It was a crossover cable that had become long of tooth, so I just replace it with 2 cables and 1 switch |
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| 00:05.50 | Xenguy | devuanewest: Not sure, each case can be different often times |
| 00:06.09 | Xenguy | Sound can sometimes be a bit of a Dark Arte |
| 00:06.23 | Xenguy | Though usually, in my experience, it Just Works |
| 00:07.20 | Xenguy | devuanewest: The sound settings GUI may not be there due to the packages not being present on your system <-- 1 possibility |
| 00:07.47 | devuanewest | I used the live 2.0 beta amd64 |
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| 00:13.56 | devuanewest | I have a /pulse/ in my .config/ directoy so I guess pulse is installed and present. Just no way of configuring it.. |
| 00:14.58 | Xenguy | devuanewest: My best advice is to follow the troubleshooting suggestions on that Wiki page (hopefully the info there is not too dated, but it's been awhile since I visited that page) |
| 00:16.19 | devuanewest | ugh, this is too much for tonight. I'll try tomorrow with better eyes. Thanks for the links and suggesitons Xenguy |
| 00:16.49 | Xenguy | devuanewest: Hey I'm sorry... |
| 00:17.04 | Xenguy | I just looked at that page, and it's nothing like what I was remembering |
| 00:17.17 | Xenguy | Not too useful, unless I'm missing something... |
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| 00:17.31 | Xenguy | devuanewest: Come back when you're fresh and we'll try again, if you like |
| 00:18.07 | devuanewest | looking at those images on how sound works gave me a headache. But, maybe it'll be better tomorrow. |
| 00:18.23 | Xenguy | Yeah, it's the wrong page, I'll try to find a better one |
| 00:18.50 | Xenguy | But maybe tomorrow |
| 00:18.59 | Xenguy | As you say |
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| 01:19.17 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 02:33.46 | fsmithred | devuanwest needs to know about alsamixer |
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| 02:51.12 | devuanewest | so, I couldn't get any sleep.. Buut I found out where xfce hid the sound settings |
| 02:51.29 | devuanewest | in multimedia ofcourse.. not in system settings or some such.. : ) |
| 02:52.21 | devuanewest | so now sound is sorted out.. Now remains the gui asking for root when using such programs. Like synaptics or gparted |
| 02:52.24 | fsmithred | is xfce mixer there? |
| 02:52.40 | devuanewest | there is a pulse audio mixer : ) |
| 02:52.42 | fsmithred | I saw your message late, but you can run alsamixer in a terminal |
| 02:52.55 | fsmithred | oh, pulse |
| 02:53.00 | devuanewest | oh, yeah alsamixer is always present and functional |
| 02:53.02 | fsmithred | forgot about that. I don't use it. |
| 02:53.14 | devuanewest | I just wanted a tray icon I could see and use |
| 02:53.43 | devuanewest | I also killed the bell with a small startup script |
| 02:53.49 | devuanewest | I woke my neighbours with it |
| 02:54.10 | fsmithred | wow |
| 02:54.31 | devuanewest | ywah, 2 watts my behind.. brutal volume |
| 02:55.59 | devuanewest | I guess I need to do smthng about policykit or such to sort out the elivated programs issue |
| 02:56.10 | devuanewest | haven't found out what yet |
| 02:56.16 | fsmithred | pkexec does not work in xfce |
| 02:56.33 | fsmithred | open a terminal, get root, run synaptic or gparted or whatever you need |
| 02:56.48 | fsmithred | use 'su' not 'su -' |
| 02:56.52 | devuanewest | oh, I see. So that is a limitation in xfce then? |
| 02:57.07 | fsmithred | or edit the desktop file for the apps |
| 02:57.17 | fsmithred | or use gksu |
| 02:58.03 | devuanewest | gksu.. okay I'll check that out. |
| 02:58.21 | fsmithred | not sure if it's installed |
| 03:00.27 | devuanewest | oh, it was : ) so it is like a little middle man I guess. It is a matter of where I want to type the root pw. In a term or in a little window |
| 03:01.01 | fsmithred | lol, yes |
| 03:01.35 | fsmithred | you can edit /usr/share/applications/whatever.desktop |
| 03:01.41 | fsmithred | go to the Exec line |
| 03:02.09 | devuanewest | yeah I'll do that instead. It'll be for synaptics mostly anyway |
| 03:02.12 | fsmithred | replace 'whatever-pkexec' with 'gksu whatever' |
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| 03:02.23 | devuanewest | ah, I see |
| 03:02.35 | devuanewest | good stuf |
| 03:02.37 | devuanewest | f |
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| 03:06.27 | devuanewest | well, in that case all my problems (2) are sorted. For now : ) I'll try to find better resources to sort me out in the future than google for stuff. Linux questions seems like a good resource. |
| 03:06.46 | devuanewest | I think I can sleep now. Gnight folks and thanks again |
| 03:06.52 | fsmithred | dev1galaxy.org is pretty good, too |
| 03:07.09 | devuanewest | I'll bookmark it |
| 03:07.24 | devuanewest | nn |
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| 08:13.30 | Guest1234 | Hello everyone. I'm using Debian buster today and I'm thinking about using Devuan instead. The thing I did not get yet is whether devuan "mirrors" (not mirrors) the regular debian releases (with patches ontop) so that I can expect to see them nearly around the time debian releases them. I'd expect that devuan needs to rebuild with its own patches on top, of course. Or is devuan more like a complete separate repository with its own v |
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| 08:17.27 | Guest1234 | i.e. are all packages in debian dependent on the non-systemd core, or is it just those that really need it? Could I install packages from a debian APT source that are not dependent on any systemd stuff? |
| 08:17.38 | Guest1234 | In case anyone knows.. |
| 08:19.33 | gnarface | Guest1234: most the packages aren't altered at all. those packages are actually fed from the debian repos directly. there's a list of the ones that are altered on devuan.org somewhere. |
| 08:21.59 | gnarface | and yes, you could theoretically install packages from debian apt sources as well, but don't do that. you're right that it would not be safe in that one way you speculate but systemd itself isn't the only risk inherent to mixing distros |
| 08:22.15 | gnarface | not be unsafe* |
| 08:23.12 | gnarface | anyway, there's no reason to do that because devuan has all the same packages |
| 08:23.19 | gnarface | with few exceptions |
| 08:23.55 | gnarface | and whether that continues is more up to debian than devuan |
| 08:24.26 | Guest1234 | gnarface: Thanks. I see. I'll try to look a bit more on the page - although to be fair I'm having a hard time finding it right now. However, does this mean that there *is* a buster doppelganger repo out there which I can use now already? |
| 08:25.19 | gnarface | it's been given a designated name but not set up yet, last i checked |
| 08:25.52 | gnarface | there's currently only jessie (jessie), ascii (stretch), and sid (ceres) |
| 08:26.09 | gnarface | sorry that was confusing i got them swapped |
| 08:26.34 | gnarface | it gets more confusing because jessie is still considered devuan stable when it's now debian oldstable |
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| 08:26.59 | gnarface | ascii is in beta now though |
| 08:27.21 | Guest1234 | Right. So those releases are not 100% synced/rebuilt automatically between debian and devuan? |
| 08:27.45 | Guest1234 | Or it's there, but not public? |
| 08:28.20 | gnarface | well they are when they can be, so like, yes, for jessie, and for the fixed packages already in ascii, but some manual patches still do need to be made as you earlier speculated |
| 08:28.23 | gnarface | that work can't be automated |
| 08:28.31 | gnarface | and still is ongoing |
| 08:28.56 | gnarface | but ascii is getting pretty close to finished i think |
| 08:29.03 | Guest1234 | nods |
| 08:29.39 | Guest1234 | but.. ceres == sid, or ceres == buster? |
| 08:29.45 | gnarface | ceres == sid |
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| 08:29.48 | Guest1234 | ok |
| 08:30.05 | gnarface | https://devuan.org/os/releases |
| 08:30.21 | gnarface | beowulf == buster |
| 08:30.24 | Guest1234 | Thanks. |
| 08:30.31 | gnarface | it's named, it's just not live yet |
| 08:30.44 | gnarface | i have no idea what condition it's in either |
| 08:30.57 | gnarface | jessie and ascii are pretty much fine though if you don't need Gnome |
| 08:31.14 | gnarface | ceres doesn't seem to suffer from any real problems that sid doesn't also |
| 08:31.35 | gnarface | *that sid doesn't also have |
| 08:32.45 | gnarface | as you're on beowulf i can't give you any good advice what to do with it |
| 08:33.13 | gnarface | you'd be able to upgrade to ceres but i don't tell you that would be a net positive |
| 08:33.24 | gnarface | beowulf/buster i mean |
| 08:33.37 | gnarface | sorry i gotta stop doing that, i know it's confusing |
| 08:33.50 | gnarface | there are jessie live images though |
| 08:33.56 | gnarface | and some beta ascii installer out there |
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| 08:34.26 | gnarface | it might be worth it for you to try them out in a VM or on a spare harddrive or partition or something |
| 08:34.36 | Guest1234 | Yeah, no, the buster release is the gold version for me. I wouldn't downgrade to stretch. And sid is just too unstable.. |
| 08:35.04 | gnarface | yea i don't blame you |
| 08:35.08 | Guest1234 | I already got the ascii thing in a qemu variant, mostly thinking if I should reinstall my real system with it |
| 08:35.22 | Guest1234 | I guess I'll need to wait for beowulf |
| 08:35.34 | gnarface | but when the beowulf repo is set up you'll be able to cleanly crossgrade to it i think |
| 08:35.38 | gnarface | that's the theory anyway |
| 08:35.55 | Guest1234 | that sounds interesting indeed.. any links for that? |
| 08:36.09 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.13 | Guest1234 | sure |
| 08:36.16 | gnarface | i imagine you'd have to get on the mailing list |
| 08:37.03 | gnarface | https://devuan.org/os/community there's also a forum linked from here |
| 08:37.09 | gnarface | and some other related irc channels |
| 08:48.09 | Guest1234 | Thanks for all the help. Talk to you later! |
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| 10:04.03 | checkulater1 | hello everyone. new to devian trying some stuff out. Im having some trouble when selecting the packagemanager repsitory during the install of jessie but i dont have it during stretch. |
| 10:04.32 | checkulater1 | dont know why |
| 10:05.27 | checkulater1 | only difference is that jessie selects different url |
| 10:05.35 | checkulater1 | that dont seems to work |
| 10:06.34 | KatolaZ | checkulater1: ? |
| 10:06.37 | KatolaZ | what do you mean? |
| 10:06.48 | checkulater1 | sorry |
| 10:07.02 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:07.05 | checkulater1 | I was trying to install devuan jessie |
| 10:07.07 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 10:07.34 | checkulater1 | when reaching the part about selecting a mirror for package manager it fails |
| 10:07.46 | checkulater1 | i think its because of the url |
| 10:07.53 | gnarface | well which mirror did you pick? |
| 10:08.21 | checkulater1 | first cant remember but i tried different countrys |
| 10:08.38 | KatolaZ | checkulater1: which install image are you using? |
| 10:08.39 | checkulater1 | and then autosomething.devuansomething.something |
| 10:08.53 | checkulater1 | minimal net |
| 10:09.07 | KatolaZ | checkulater1: use auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 10:09.15 | checkulater1 | does not work |
| 10:09.23 | KatolaZ | please report the error |
| 10:09.37 | checkulater1 | ok ehre |
| 10:09.40 | KatolaZ | (meaning, the content of /var/log/syslog |
| 10:09.40 | checkulater1 | where? |
| 10:09.58 | KatolaZ | any pastebin? |
| 10:10.06 | checkulater1 | ahh well im not trying to install it anymore i went with ascii |
| 10:10.11 | checkulater1 | it worked |
| 10:10.36 | checkulater1 | just thought I'd mention it |
| 10:10.42 | checkulater1 | dont have the logs |
| 10:10.44 | checkulater1 | sorry |
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| 10:11.34 | KatolaZ | checkulater1: did you use the same install image? |
| 10:12.01 | checkulater1 | no |
| 10:12.18 | KatolaZ | ok, because it shold not have worked |
| 10:12.20 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:12.20 | checkulater1 | i downloded the minimal net for ascii |
| 10:12.31 | KatolaZ | ok checkulater1 |
| 10:12.38 | KatolaZ | anyway, auto.mirror.devuan.org is working |
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| 10:12.58 | checkulater1 | im using pkgmaster.devuan.org now |
| 10:13.07 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 10:13.11 | KatolaZ | you can also use deb.devuan.org |
| 10:13.14 | KatolaZ | it's a RR |
| 10:13.19 | checkulater1 | ok |
| 10:13.26 | checkulater1 | thanks |
| 10:15.45 | checkulater1 | BUT now im trying some stuff out searching for a new distro whilst learning new stuff. im following the guide https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/jessie-minimal-install and when trying to debootstrap i get an error saying "error executing gpgv to check release signature" |
| 10:17.47 | KatolaZ | checkulater1: you need to specify the keyring to use |
| 10:18.03 | checkulater1 | ok how can i do this |
| 10:18.04 | checkulater1 | ? |
| 10:18.26 | KatolaZ | and you should use devuan-archive-keyring.gpg |
| 10:18.28 | checkulater1 | sorry if im having stupid questions |
| 10:18.35 | KatolaZ | which is in /usr/share/keyrings |
| 10:18.42 | KatolaZ | checkulater1: man debootstrap |
| 10:18.57 | KatolaZ | (I don't want to be harsh, but you mentioned you are willing to learn... :)) |
| 10:20.00 | checkulater1 | seems i have no man for debootstrap will check online |
| 10:20.12 | checkulater1 | thank you. |
| 10:20.34 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 10:20.47 | KatolaZ | how comes you have no man for debootstrap?!? |
| 10:21.01 | checkulater1 | ~$ man debootstrap |
| 10:21.01 | checkulater1 | No manual entry for debootstrap |
| 10:21.18 | checkulater1 | don't actually know |
| 10:21.31 | KatolaZ | is debootstrap installed? |
| 10:21.54 | checkulater1 | neither on my installed system or the net minimal install iso |
| 10:21.59 | checkulater1 | yes |
| 10:22.22 | KatolaZ | forget the netinst (it has udebs) |
| 10:22.36 | KatolaZ | but your installed system must have a debootstrap manpage |
| 10:22.51 | checkulater1 | sorry was not installed on mmy system |
| 10:22.52 | checkulater1 | =D |
| 10:23.09 | checkulater1 | think maybe i should rest |
| 10:23.15 | checkulater1 | before continuing |
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| 12:39.22 | Guest1234 | Hello hello. Does anyone know when beowulf repos will be released? |
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| 12:58.39 | Gargravarr | hi gents, has something broken APT sources for the OpenJDK v8? |
| 12:59.19 | Gargravarr | i tried my internal mirror and the dependency chain was broken, then tried the official mirror and jdk8 isn't found at all |
| 12:59.53 | gnarface | same result from pkgmaster.devuan.org? |
| 13:00.33 | Gargravarr | gnarface: yes |
| 13:00.51 | Gargravarr | oh, waitaminute |
| 13:01.36 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: ? |
| 13:01.43 | Gargravarr | okay, so still have the broken dependencies |
| 13:01.46 | KatolaZ | define "broken" |
| 13:02.06 | Gargravarr | the not-showing-at-all issue is now fixed, i was using /devuan (my internal) instead of /merged |
| 13:02.15 | Gargravarr | KatolaZ: ca-certificates-java |
| 13:02.35 | Gargravarr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.44 | Gargravarr | this is from pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 13:02.50 | KatolaZ | are you on ascii? |
| 13:02.54 | Gargravarr | no, Jessie |
| 13:03.32 | KatolaZ | the package you need is in backports |
| 13:03.41 | KatolaZ | http://info.devuan.mine.nu/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=ca-certificates&release=jessie |
| 13:03.54 | Gargravarr | i have backports defined as a deb source |
| 13:04.10 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy ca-certificates-java |
| 13:04.26 | KatolaZ | this is not sufficient Gargravarr |
| 13:04.42 | KatolaZ | since deps from backports are not satisfied automatically by apt-get |
| 13:04.43 | Gargravarr | okay |
| 13:04.47 | KatolaZ | (well, it depends) |
| 13:04.51 | Gargravarr | i was not aware of that |
| 13:05.01 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy ca-certificates-java |
| 13:05.17 | Gargravarr | yeah, it does show the necessary package from backports |
| 13:05.47 | Gargravarr | you do -t jessie-backports or something to tell APT to use a specific source iirc |
| 13:05.51 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 13:06.32 | Gargravarr | yep, that did the trick, thanks KatolaZ |
| 13:06.40 | KatolaZ | np Gargravarr |
| 13:07.09 | KatolaZ | (and btw, before thinking that "someone broke something", assume always that stable is never broken ;)) |
| 13:08.00 | Gargravarr | any reason why this dependency knot exists? the root openjdk-8-jre package exists only in backports, isn't APT smart enough to pull all necessary dependencies from there? |
| 13:08.08 | KatolaZ | no Gargravarr |
| 13:08.12 | KatolaZ | and rightly so |
| 13:09.00 | KatolaZ | because otherwise you will pull everything from backports at your first apt-get upgrade |
| 13:09.13 | KatolaZ | backports is meant to be used selectively |
| 13:09.21 | Gargravarr | i see |
| 13:09.54 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 13:10.29 | Gargravarr | thanks for the tips, i'll use apt-cache policy next time this happens |
| 13:10.49 | Gargravarr | btw, any idea when ascii is due for release? |
| 13:11.28 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: ascii beta is already out :) |
| 13:11.39 | KatolaZ | released on the 14th |
| 13:12.32 | Gargravarr | i know the Beta is already out, i'm running it at home on my media server |
| 13:12.44 | Gargravarr | still running Jessie on my company VMs |
| 13:13.19 | Gargravarr | just wondering what the timescale for the stable release is |
| 13:13.22 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: we need to iron out a few things |
| 13:13.36 | KatolaZ | mainly for desktops though |
| 13:13.48 | KatolaZ | nothing major will probably change for server users |
| 13:14.07 | Gargravarr | i tested upgrading to the beta on one of my VMs and it completely bricked it, would not boot |
| 13:14.15 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 13:14.17 | Gargravarr | so i'm holding off for now |
| 13:14.17 | KatolaZ | desktop? |
| 13:14.22 | Gargravarr | no, headless server |
| 13:14.23 | KatolaZ | please report |
| 13:14.30 | KatolaZ | upgrading from what? |
| 13:14.34 | Gargravarr | from Jessie |
| 13:14.41 | Gargravarr | *Devuan Jessie |
| 13:14.47 | KatolaZ | quite strange (if not impossible) |
| 13:14.55 | KatolaZ | I have upgraded about 60 servers that way |
| 13:15.00 | Gargravarr | all these VMs have been fresh installed from the ISO and then cloned |
| 13:15.13 | Gargravarr | yeah, i was surprised, my media server at home upgraded without a hitch |
| 13:15.17 | KatolaZ | again, a bug report with relevant information would be useful |
| 13:15.24 | Gargravarr | all these VMs are on KVM on a Devuan Jessie host |
| 13:15.32 | Gargravarr | thanks, i'll see what i can put together |
| 13:15.36 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: thanks |
| 13:15.36 | gnarface | i suspect it is something to do with the vm, maybe the way you're doing storage |
| 13:15.50 | Gargravarr | pretty standard, QCOW2 disk images |
| 13:15.57 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: does the VM uses a boot loader or an external kernel? |
| 13:16.19 | Gargravarr | boot loader in the VHD |
| 13:16.25 | KatolaZ | very strange |
| 13:16.31 | Gargravarr | all the VMs are self-contained |
| 13:16.39 | KatolaZ | again, no problems reported on that front |
| 13:16.54 | KatolaZ | if you could investigate the issue, it would be useful |
| 13:17.03 | KatolaZ | to have a bugreport |
| 13:18.41 | Gargravarr | i'll have to try the upgrade again, but sure |
| 13:18.48 | Gargravarr | had to restore that VM from a backup |
| 13:18.57 | Gargravarr | i'll do it on a dummy |
| 13:19.27 | KatolaZ | ok thanks |
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| 13:25.04 | espectalll | Hey there! |
| 13:25.28 | espectalll | I'm new to Devuan and I have a problem with the installer, may I ask here? |
| 13:25.43 | Gargravarr | ask away |
| 13:25.58 | espectalll | thx |
| 13:26.08 | espectalll | so I'm trying to install Devuan Ceres |
| 13:26.39 | espectalll | I picked up `mini.iso` at https://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/gtk/mini.iso |
| 13:26.48 | Gargravarr | you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself if you're new to it, Jessie is the current stable |
| 13:26.57 | Gargravarr | ah yes, that's Jessie, not Ceres |
| 13:27.10 | espectalll | I don't want stable, thanks |
| 13:27.14 | espectalll | OK, so here's the thing |
| 13:27.27 | espectalll | that image does install Ceres |
| 13:27.40 | espectalll | I picked it up at the "select mirror" step |
| 13:27.53 | espectalll | that's not the problem |
| 13:28.16 | espectalll | the problem seems to be that it doesn't have ext support??? |
| 13:28.57 | fsmithred | what error message are you getting? |
| 13:29.01 | espectalll | so, I go to the partitioning step |
| 13:29.04 | espectalll | I use guided partitioning |
| 13:29.51 | espectalll | uploaded an image: image.png (134KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/aJfWxYKeKvHTfSvAjUfQYaMF> |
| 13:29.57 | espectalll | this is how the layout looks like, simple enough |
| 13:30.13 | Gargravarr | yes, that would be quite a problem for a linux distro |
| 13:30.46 | espectalll | uploaded an image: image.png (134KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/fCJtktVUadgGfaJOSnXTdywx> |
| 13:31.00 | espectalll | sorry, not that one |
| 13:31.02 | espectalll | that's the same pic |
| 13:31.07 | espectalll | uploaded an image: image.png (69KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/zPhIzmutMEKBjymJXCQYNYMG> |
| 13:31.08 | espectalll | and then this happens |
| 13:31.53 | espectalll | `The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) at / failed` |
| 13:31.58 | espectalll | now, if I try to manually edit that partition, I find the problem |
| 13:32.20 | espectalll | uploaded an image: image.png (75KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/HfVeRpnfyAsbdRCgmbGZlmak> |
| 13:32.44 | espectalll | the filesystem list has no ext at all |
| 13:32.49 | espectalll | no ext2, not ext3, and definitely no ext4 |
| 13:32.56 | fsmithred | which iso are you using? |
| 13:33.17 | espectalll | the Mini ISO with GTK+ support |
| 13:33.29 | espectalll | https://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/gtk/mini.iso |
| 13:33.55 | fsmithred | you might have better luck with the ascii netinstall iso |
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| 13:35.14 | espectalll | I guess I'll have to try that out and then upgrade to Ceres |
| 13:35.15 | fsmithred | I know the problem you describe existed in one of the jessie betas |
| 13:35.29 | fsmithred | pretty sure you can select ceres in expert |
| 13:35.30 | espectalll | but this seems like a really big bug |
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| 13:35.58 | espectalll | Oh, on the ascii NetInstall too? |
| 13:36.02 | espectalll | ok, let me try |
| 13:36.06 | fsmithred | I think I saw it there |
| 13:36.13 | fsmithred | if no, do minimal install and upgrade |
| 13:36.18 | fsmithred | but I'll warn you |
| 13:36.27 | fsmithred | nobody has been working on ceres |
| 13:36.39 | fsmithred | so you may run into problems |
| 13:37.13 | espectalll | yeah, I wanted to take a look at that and see how it compared to Debian Sid |
| 13:37.23 | fsmithred | There may be some packages in ascii that have newer versions than what's in ceres |
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| 13:37.35 | fsmithred | for packages that had to be devuanized |
| 13:37.49 | gnarface | damn, got disconnected |
| 13:38.21 | fsmithred | you didn't miss anything |
| 13:38.38 | espectalll | hmm, how can I check the versions of ascii packages? |
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| 13:39.21 | fsmithred | muck around at pkgmaster.devuan.org |
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| 13:39.44 | gnarface | well you can also use apt-cache |
| 13:39.44 | fsmithred | Packages.gz I think |
| 13:40.02 | fsmithred | need to add a line or three to sources for that to work |
| 13:40.33 | espectalll | too manual for my taste but sure thing |
| 13:40.39 | fsmithred | which should be fairly safe, since you want to run ceres |
| 13:40.53 | gnarface | packages.debian.org also works |
| 13:41.00 | fsmithred | oh yeah |
| 13:41.08 | gnarface | the package versions in stretch correspond to ascii |
| 13:41.18 | gnarface | it's not ideal, but that's a far less manual approach |
| 13:41.38 | fsmithred | and it covers most of the packages |
| 13:41.45 | gnarface | until someone builds a proper web interface for packages.devuan.org |
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| 13:43.56 | espectalll | hmm, can't find neither GNOME nor OpenJDK anywhere |
| 13:44.00 | espectalll | what's the current status on those? |
| 13:46.00 | gnarface | doesn't know |
| 13:46.26 | KatolaZ | espectalll: ? |
| 13:47.15 | fsmithred | chokes on his coffee |
| 13:48.13 | espectalll | I mean, are the packages available on Jessie, Ascii or Ceres, which versions |
| 13:48.15 | fsmithred | gnome has seceded from gnu, I think. |
| 13:48.26 | espectalll | lol |
| 13:48.40 | espectalll | also heard `elogind` is on Ascii already |
| 13:48.56 | KatolaZ | espectalll: info.devuan.mine.nu |
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| 13:49.01 | KatolaZ | it's very basic |
| 13:49.05 | espectalll | but I can't find a thing |
| 13:49.05 | fsmithred | you can have xfce, mate, lxde, kde, cinnamon or lxqt |
| 13:49.07 | KatolaZ | and unofficial |
| 13:49.17 | KatolaZ | espectalll: info.devuan.mine.nu |
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| 13:49.44 | espectalll-2 | logged in from WebChat |
| 13:49.54 | espectalll-2 | seems like matrix.org is working like crap rn |
| 13:50.00 | gnarface | and e17 don't forget! |
| 13:50.01 | espectalll | without installing, that is |
| 13:50.07 | KatolaZ | espectalll: info.devuan.mine.nu |
| 13:50.09 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 13:50.10 | espectalll-2 | ...yrah, hi me |
| 13:50.13 | espectalll-2 | *yeah |
| 13:50.14 | espectalll-2 | lmao |
| 13:50.21 | espectalll | wait, what's the problem with that? |
| 13:50.30 | KatolaZ | the problem with what? |
| 13:50.33 | espectalll-2 | KatolaZ: nice, taking a look |
| 13:50.52 | espectalll-2 | so fsmithred said "gnome has seceded from gnu, I think." |
| 13:51.02 | espectalll-2 | like, what's the problem with that |
| 13:51.22 | fsmithred | gnome is too tied to systemd |
| 13:51.28 | espectalll-2 | `elogind` |
| 13:51.29 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: ^^^ |
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| 13:51.38 | fsmithred | would take a lot of work to fix it for devuan |
| 13:51.48 | espectalll-2 | like, the GuixSD guys made `elogind` |
| 13:51.59 | espectalll-2 | just to make GNOME work on their GNU/Linux |
| 13:52.08 | fsmithred | elogind is in ascii and seems to be working |
| 13:52.19 | espectalll-2 | fsmithred: yeah, that's the thing |
| 13:52.31 | espectalll-2 | I didn't understand what was the problem with "seceding from GNU" |
| 13:52.37 | espectalll-2 | because it still should work |
| 13:53.00 | fsmithred | yeah, they just seem to heading off in another direction from where we've all been going for the last 20 years or so |
| 13:53.31 | espectalll-2 | Ascii has GNOME 3.22 |
| 13:53.39 | espectalll-2 | just like Stretch, ok |
| 13:53.39 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: just try to install it |
| 13:53.47 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: ascii is merging stretch |
| 13:53.48 | fsmithred | probably just parts of it |
| 13:53.55 | espectalll-2 | same for Ceres |
| 13:54.01 | espectalll-2 | and now OpenJDK... |
| 13:54.04 | KatolaZ | ceres is merging sid |
| 13:54.07 | fsmithred | gnome-shell won't install |
| 13:54.10 | KatolaZ | (so it's not the same) |
| 13:54.21 | espectalll-2 | ...OK, there's at leasat OpenJDK 9 |
| 13:54.24 | espectalll-2 | *least |
| 13:54.29 | espectalll-2 | that's an improvement over Void |
| 13:54.47 | fsmithred | we have all of debian except that which requires systemd |
| 13:54.49 | espectalll-2 | fsmithred: I've seen people who have installed it |
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| 13:55.20 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: installing might not be a problem |
| 13:55.30 | fsmithred | yeah, I've heard of people running gnome without systemd |
| 13:55.37 | KatolaZ | actually running it and expecting that it works as if systemd was there is another story |
| 13:55.41 | espectalll-2 | gnome has seceded from gnu, I think. |
| 13:55.43 | espectalll-2 | whoops |
| 13:55.50 | espectalll-2 | my clipboard slipped (?) |
| 13:55.55 | espectalll-2 | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1581 |
| 13:55.56 | espectalll-2 | ok now |
| 13:55.57 | KatolaZ | apparently desktop users are quite picky about what "works" means |
| 13:55.59 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 13:55.59 | fsmithred | it's going viral |
| 13:56.07 | fsmithred | tweet it |
| 13:56.29 | espectalll-2 | fsmithred: GNOME 3.26 works smoothly on Void |
| 13:56.35 | espectalll-2 | no Systemd, just runit |
| 13:56.41 | fsmithred | ok |
| 13:56.47 | fsmithred | I believe you |
| 13:57.03 | espectalll-2 | the only thing that fails is that you cannot setup GDM options from the control center |
| 13:57.08 | espectalll-2 | like language |
| 13:57.20 | espectalll-2 | and that there is no Systemd NTP service |
| 13:57.25 | fsmithred | I think around half the devuan devs don't run a destkop and don't care |
| 13:57.30 | espectalll-2 | yeah, makes sense |
| 13:57.44 | espectalll-2 | but I wanted to check regardless |
| 13:58.09 | fsmithred | anyone is welcome to fork gnome and maintain it for devuan |
| 13:58.16 | espectalll-2 | lol |
| 13:58.23 | fsmithred | as long as they are willing to maintain |
| 13:58.46 | espectalll-2 | yeah, I can't keep up with maintaining, I tried on Void and I'm still bad at it |
| 13:59.06 | espectalll-2 | so guess Devuan won't be for me |
| 13:59.22 | fsmithred | not if you need gnome |
| 13:59.40 | espectalll-2 | sorry, that's just the desktop and framework I work with |
| 14:00.03 | espectalll-2 | I'll have to try and see if Debian can somehow do the trick with OpenRC or something, I know this project exists for a reason but who knows (?) |
| 14:00.08 | gnarface | you should really consider broadening your horizons |
| 14:00.13 | gnarface | gnome sucks |
| 14:00.20 | espectalll-2 | I love dwm |
| 14:00.29 | fsmithred | I change my de every few years |
| 14:00.29 | espectalll-2 | so I have broadened them, thank you |
| 14:00.37 | espectalll-2 | I just always come back to GNOME :3 |
| 14:00.46 | espectalll-2 | I'm considering making my own window manager as well |
| 14:00.51 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: ascii has the option of installing openrc as well, if you like |
| 14:00.56 | espectalll-2 | or just seeing if Sway is a good balance |
| 14:01.11 | espectalll-2 | KatolaZ: I know, it's rather about the packages I need |
| 14:01.30 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: the packages are the same you have in debian stretch |
| 14:01.33 | KatolaZ | 95% of them |
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| 14:01.49 | espectalll-2 | well, I know, and GNOME isn't there |
| 14:01.52 | espectalll-2 | 5% |
| 14:01.57 | KatolaZ | GNOME is there |
| 14:02.01 | KatolaZ | just give it a try |
| 14:02.06 | KatolaZ | it might be working for you |
| 14:02.15 | KatolaZ | and BTW, we are not selling Devuan ;) |
| 14:02.15 | espectalll-2 | ok, sure, it's still 3.22 but I'll try it |
| 14:02.20 | espectalll-2 | sad |
| 14:02.34 | espectalll-2 | (it'd be actually cool to see a commercially available DVD) |
| 14:02.42 | espectalll-2 | (with a nice box for collectors and such kinds of people) |
| 14:02.59 | espectalll-2 | (could be a good way of getting funds) |
| 14:03.18 | KatolaZ | I meant we are not willing to sell Devuan to you ;) |
| 14:03.31 | KatolaZ | (meaning, we don't want to convince you to use Devuan...) |
| 14:03.57 | espectalll-2 | yeah, got it |
| 14:04.06 | espectalll-2 | just want to see a shiny box, ll |
| 14:04.11 | espectalll-2 | *lol |
| 14:04.34 | KatolaZ | I normally build by myself the shiny boxes I want to see :P |
| 14:06.54 | espectalll-2 | https://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/gtk/mini.iso |
| 14:07.10 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: why don't you use netinst? |
| 14:07.11 | espectalll-2 | ok, same image from before but built for ascii |
| 14:07.18 | KatolaZ | (just wondering) |
| 14:07.26 | espectalll-2 | KatolaZ: isn't that tho |
| 14:07.33 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 14:07.37 | espectalll-2 | like, look at the path |
| 14:07.38 | KatolaZ | not quite |
| 14:07.49 | espectalll-2 | where is it then? |
| 14:07.58 | KatolaZ | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/installer-iso/devuan_ascii_2.0.0-beta_amd64_NETINST.iso |
| 14:08.03 | KatolaZ | where all the install media are |
| 14:08.09 | espectalll-2 | ok thanks |
| 14:08.12 | KatolaZ | at files.devuan.org :) |
| 14:08.31 | espectalll-2 | yeah, I thought there only was Jessie there |
| 14:08.41 | espectalll-2 | ok then |
| 14:12.13 | espectalll-2 | oh wow, this image does have ext4 support |
| 14:12.18 | espectalll-2 | what kind of black magic is this |
| 14:13.05 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: what are you talking about? |
| 14:13.19 | espectalll-2 | remember why I entered this chat earlier on? |
| 14:13.23 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 14:13.35 | espectalll-2 | Jessie's `mini.iso` didn't have ext support |
| 14:13.46 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: apart from the fact that it's not true, |
| 14:13.53 | KatolaZ | the ascii netinst has support for ext4 |
| 14:14.20 | espectalll-2 | KatolaZ: see screenshots |
| 14:16.01 | espectalll-2 | https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/aJfWxYKeKvHTfSvAjUfQYaMF |
| 14:16.06 | espectalll-2 | https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/zPhIzmutMEKBjymJXCQYNYMG |
| 14:16.10 | espectalll-2 | https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/HfVeRpnfyAsbdRCgmbGZlmak |
| 14:16.59 | espectalll-2 | anyway almost installed ascii, let's see how it goes |
| 14:17.08 | KatolaZ | I see an ext4 partition there... |
| 14:17.10 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 14:17.43 | espectalll-2 | that was setup with guided partitioning |
| 14:17.50 | espectalll-2 | manual just wouldn't let me pick up any ext |
| 14:18.48 | KatolaZ | espectalll-2: I tried right now |
| 14:18.50 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 14:19.36 | KatolaZ | http://katolaz.homeunix.net/tmp/screen_20180227_141835.png |
| 14:20.25 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 14:20.27 | KatolaZ | o/ |
| 14:27.42 | espectalll-2 | KatolaZ: That's the ascii image |
| 14:27.45 | espectalll-2 | right? |
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| 14:28.00 | espectalll-2 | great, thanks |
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| 18:14.05 | rlp10 | hi folks, i'm picking a distro for my new small office and considering devuan |
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| 18:30.38 | JackWinter | hi a quick question, does devuan have udev functionality? |
| 18:32.53 | debdog | at least there is a package named udev. |
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| 18:45.30 | mmaglis | JackWinter: udev is a transitional package for eudev, which is the one Devuan is using. |
| 18:45.30 | mmaglis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:52.02 | JackWinter | mmaglis: do eudev work more or less the same? i wrote a set of rules that run a script when a soundcard is inserted or removed. but due to systemd i couldn't just run the bash script directly and needed to use systemd-run instead, but i'd still like to at the least leave a comment in the rules file to show what to do on a non systemd system |
| 18:52.49 | freem|2 | JackWinter: eudev is a fork of udev, originally made by gentoo's people, so it probably works almost the same, except for systemd-related stuff. At least, IIRC. |
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| 19:04.05 | h0rs35f0g | Hi |
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| 19:05.10 | h0rs35f0g | I am using Devuan testing / (and also tried ceres) and having a problem with polkit in Kde not allowing to mount devices |
| 19:05.25 | xkr47 | cool |
| 19:05.39 | h0rs35f0g | looking the solution in Arch Openrc wiki |
| 19:05.57 | fsmithred | h0rs35f0g, run 'dpkg -l | grep libpolkit' |
| 19:05.57 | h0rs35f0g | they said that you need to replace polkit-consolekit with polkit-elogind |
| 19:06.09 | h0rs35f0g | but we dont have that package on debian/devuan |
| 19:06.11 | h0rs35f0g | any idea ? |
| 19:06.25 | fsmithred | yeah, which libpolkit packages are installed? |
| 19:06.41 | h0rs35f0g | ii libpolkit-agent-1-0:amd64 0.105-18+devuan2.4 amd64 PolicyKit Authentication Agent API |
| 19:06.41 | h0rs35f0g | ii libpolkit-backend-1-0-systemd:amd64 0.105-18+devuan2.4 amd64 PolicyKit backend API |
| 19:06.41 | h0rs35f0g | ii libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd:amd64 0.105-18+devuan2.4 amd64 PolicyKit Authorization API |
| 19:06.41 | h0rs35f0g | ii libpolkit-gtk-mate-1-0:amd64 1.18.2-2~bpo9+1 amd64 MATE authentication agent for PolicyKit-1 (library) |
| 19:06.44 | h0rs35f0g | ii libpolkit-qt-1-1:amd64 0.112.0-5 amd64 PolicyKit-qt-1 library |
| 19:06.46 | h0rs35f0g | ii libpolkit-qt5-1-1:amd64 0.112.0-5 amd64 PolicyKit-qt5-1 library |
| 19:06.47 | fsmithred | don't do that |
| 19:06.50 | h0rs35f0g | ii libpolkit-qt5-1-dev:amd64 0.112.0-5 amd64 PolicyKit-qt5-1 development files |
| 19:06.59 | fsmithred | spambot might bite you |
| 19:07.07 | h0rs35f0g | haahah sorry |
| 19:07.57 | h0rs35f0g | libpolkit- (agent-1-0:amd64 backend-1-0-systemd ?wtf gobject1-0-systemd gtk-mate qt qt5 qt5-dev |
| 19:08.00 | fsmithred | install libpolkit-backend-1-0-elogind libpolkit-gobject-1-0-elogind |
| 19:08.40 | fsmithred | and if it's not already there, install elogind |
| 19:09.14 | h0rs35f0g | it's not there and I have elogind |
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| 19:09.50 | fsmithred | let me rephrase that |
| 19:10.09 | fsmithred | if elogind is not already installed, install it along with those two other packages. |
| 19:10.19 | h0rs35f0g | its installed |
| 19:10.33 | fsmithred | the other two are not |
| 19:10.38 | fsmithred | install them |
| 19:10.47 | fsmithred | install libpolkit-backend-1-0-elogind libpolkit-gobject-1-0-elogind |
| 19:10.49 | h0rs35f0g | they aren in the repositories |
| 19:10.56 | fsmithred | yeah, they are |
| 19:11.01 | h0rs35f0g | aren't* |
| 19:11.02 | fsmithred | you in ascii or jessie? |
| 19:11.09 | h0rs35f0g | ceres now |
| 19:11.54 | fsmithred | I guess you need to get those two from ascii |
| 19:12.10 | fsmithred | there's also a version in experimental, but the ascii version is newer and probably better |
| 19:12.10 | h0rs35f0g | ok I will |
| 19:12.37 | fsmithred | ceres is mostly unknown territory. Everyone is focusing on getting ascii together |
| 19:13.17 | fsmithred | you may run into a few other packages that are newer in ascii than in ceres. |
| 19:13.55 | h0rs35f0g | oh yeah ? didnt know that |
| 19:14.18 | fsmithred | that will only be among the packages that we have to change |
| 19:14.55 | h0rs35f0g | thanks bro finally there |
| 19:14.56 | fsmithred | the rest will be same as in debian |
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| 19:19.43 | h0rs35f0g | I will reboot lets see thanks fsmithred :) |
| 19:19.51 | fsmithred | uw |
| 19:19.52 | fsmithred | yw |
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| 19:31.39 | h0rs35f0g | yew it Works man, fsmithred , thanks again |
| 19:32.46 | h0rs35f0g | another little issue its that pulseaudio isn' t enabled from init on Openrc , i have to manually $ pulseaduio --start |
| 19:33.07 | h0rs35f0g | it's a normal bug? |
| 19:33.08 | fsmithred | lmao |
| 19:33.10 | golinux | Most of us remove pulse! |
| 19:33.15 | h0rs35f0g | really ? |
| 19:33.29 | fsmithred | there's a situation where you can't *start* pulseaudio??? |
| 19:33.42 | fsmithred | Most people complain that they can't stop it. It refuses to die. |
| 19:34.06 | h0rs35f0g | I can kill it without problems |
| 19:34.11 | fsmithred | does PA have an init script? |
| 19:34.39 | fsmithred | I forget what keeps it alive |
| 19:34.52 | h0rs35f0g | not in /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:35.12 | fsmithred | look in the PA config file |
| 19:35.22 | fsmithred | I don't know what it's called, but it's in /etc |
| 19:36.17 | h0rs35f0g | no sorry /etc/pulse/ |
| 19:36.23 | fsmithred | I'm firing up a VM so I can look at it. |
| 19:36.37 | fsmithred | I know it has a config file, because I've edited it to turn it off. |
| 19:36.42 | h0rs35f0g | i can be your VM xd |
| 19:36.56 | h0rs35f0g | default.pa & system.pa |
| 19:36.57 | fsmithred | man pulseaudio and scroll to the bottom |
| 19:37.26 | fsmithred | Files: |
| 19:38.26 | h0rs35f0g | pulse-daemon.conf(5), default.pa(5), pulse-client.conf(5), pacmd(1) |
| 19:38.33 | fsmithred | client |
| 19:38.46 | fsmithred | I'm almost there. I'll look. |
| 19:39.22 | h0rs35f0g | sweet |
| 19:39.40 | fsmithred | autospawn = yes |
| 19:39.48 | fsmithred | but that doesn't tell me what spawns it |
| 19:39.48 | h0rs35f0g | yeah i got it |
| 19:40.41 | h0rs35f0g | the binary of /usr/bin/pulseaudio I believe |
| 19:40.53 | h0rs35f0g | thanks again man |
| 19:40.53 | fsmithred | yeah, but what tells that to start? |
| 19:41.18 | fsmithred | init |
| 19:42.25 | fsmithred | according to pstree |
| 19:42.27 | h0rs35f0g | well I dont have anything about pulse on init folders |
| 19:42.44 | fsmithred | the word does not appear in any init scripts |
| 19:42.56 | h0rs35f0g | oko k |
| 19:43.31 | h0rs35f0g | Cheers |
| 19:44.11 | h0rs35f0g | btw I made few months ago a total Lol using reportbug sending a random bug to debian |
| 19:45.12 | fsmithred | session startup script |
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| 19:45.27 | fsmithred | for what package? |
| 19:45.53 | h0rs35f0g | I dont remember doesn`t matter |
| 19:45.57 | h0rs35f0g | but my question is |
| 19:46.20 | h0rs35f0g | Shall we adapt reportbug for Devuan? Is there an email to send bugs ? |
| 19:46.50 | fsmithred | yeah, email works |
| 19:48.31 | h0rs35f0g | kind of devuan-qa@list.debian.org ? |
| 19:48.33 | fsmithred | check to see if there's already a bug report, if so use the number nn@bugs.devuan.org to add a message to the thread |
| 19:48.37 | h0rs35f0g | sorry devuan.org |
| 19:48.44 | fsmithred | for new bug, submit@bugs.devuan.org |
| 19:48.47 | h0rs35f0g | perfect |
| 19:48.54 | fsmithred | and for debian bugs, submit to debian |
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| 19:49.14 | fsmithred | if you know it's an upstream bug. That might require testing in devuan and debian. |
| 19:49.41 | fsmithred | for your current problem (no PA with openrc) devuan needs to know about it. |
| 19:49.55 | fsmithred | you're using kde? |
| 19:49.58 | h0rs35f0g | yes |
| 19:50.13 | fsmithred | what display manager? lightdm or sddm? |
| 19:50.17 | h0rs35f0g | sddm |
| 19:50.26 | fsmithred | try lightdm before you report the bug |
| 19:50.34 | h0rs35f0g | okay |
| 19:50.51 | fsmithred | I found this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204522/how-does-pulseaudio-start |
| 19:51.03 | fsmithred | session startup scripts will start PA |
| 19:51.30 | fsmithred | so which dm you use might make a difference |
| 19:51.49 | h0rs35f0g | mmmm 0k |
| 19:52.31 | fsmithred | if it fixes it, it still might be worth a bug report along with the fix, just so it's documented. |
| 19:56.30 | h0rs35f0g | allright |
| 19:57.16 | h0rs35f0g | reboot time |
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| 20:00.10 | r4str34t0r | you legend it works like a charm |
| 20:00.41 | r4str34t0r | I am h0rs35f0g ;) |
| 20:02.19 | r4str34t0r | basically changing /etc/pulse/client.conf autospawn = no daemon-binary = /bin/true |
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| 20:05.17 | fsmithred | you got it to work and then turned it off? |
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| 20:07.01 | h0rs35f0g | $ pulseaudio --stop |
| 20:07.01 | h0rs35f0g | fails |
| 20:07.10 | h0rs35f0g | sudo killall pulseaudio |
| 20:07.11 | h0rs35f0g | works |
| 20:07.33 | h0rs35f0g | oh no |
| 20:07.44 | h0rs35f0g | it doesn't |
| 20:07.56 | fsmithred | it does for a few seconds |
| 20:07.59 | Irrwahn | The command would be pulseaudio --kill, not --stop. |
| 20:08.17 | Irrwahn | It will however respawn if some application uses the pa libraries. |
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| 20:09.41 | h0rs35f0g | it does nothing $ pulseaudio --kill -v |
| 20:10.15 | Irrwahn | Hmmm, works for me. |
| 20:10.21 | h0rs35f0g | wait |
| 20:10.32 | Irrwahn | even -k short option |
| 20:11.05 | h0rs35f0g | it seems to be down but Kde notifier shows volume ON so that means its alive |
| 20:11.27 | fsmithred | did you try removing it? |
| 20:11.45 | h0rs35f0g | removing what |
| 20:11.48 | Irrwahn | If the notifier uses the pa libraries that alone will suffice to let it re-spawn. }:-> |
| 20:11.51 | fsmithred | apt-get remove pulseaudio |
| 20:12.06 | h0rs35f0g | its not working pa right now |
| 20:12.21 | h0rs35f0g | volume icon seems to be On but does not really matter |
| 20:12.33 | FlibberTGibbet | i think you have to burn pa on holy ground then scatter the ashes over running water... |
| 20:12.40 | fsmithred | does the volume icon work? |
| 20:12.47 | fsmithred | lol |
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| 20:13.11 | h0rs35f0g | not really |
| 20:13.20 | h0rs35f0g | and pulseaudio --start does nothing |
| 20:14.18 | fsmithred | works here |
| 20:14.37 | Irrwahn | FlibberTGibbet: I'd love to, if somebody could talk me through transferring my setup of of cross-patching ~5 audio sources and ~4 sinks to something like jack, or whatever the audio fad of the day is. |
| 20:14.58 | fsmithred | yeah, jack |
| 20:15.12 | fsmithred | qjackctl makes it pretty easy |
| 20:15.41 | h0rs35f0g | so fsmithred you suggest to remove PA ? |
| 20:15.56 | fsmithred | if you're not going to use it, there's no reason to have it |
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| 20:16.04 | h0rs35f0g | like throwing it to the rubbish systemd-like things? |
| 20:16.08 | fsmithred | and if it's getting in your way, |
| 20:16.09 | fsmithred | yes |
| 20:16.26 | h0rs35f0g | will that have an impact at something ? |
| 20:16.27 | Irrwahn | Should have a look at that, it's been some time now since I capitulated trying to configure jack. |
| 20:16.31 | fsmithred | some people actually use it |
| 20:16.33 | h0rs35f0g | maybe at KDE ? |
| 20:16.48 | h0rs35f0g | I am not sure if i am using it |
| 20:17.01 | fsmithred | h0rs35f0g, I don't know. I just always use alsa. |
| 20:17.21 | h0rs35f0g | its pretty useful tu use shortcuts / hotkeys for increasing and decreasing volume |
| 20:17.28 | h0rs35f0g | i will give a try removing it |
| 20:17.31 | fsmithred | but you might have trouble removing it, if it was installed by a big metapackage |
| 20:17.47 | Irrwahn | Some applications require pulseaudio, though in some of those cases apulse was reported to work around that. |
| 20:17.55 | fsmithred | skype |
| 20:17.59 | h0rs35f0g | its seems to be related to plasma |
| 20:18.02 | Irrwahn | For example, yes. |
| 20:18.05 | h0rs35f0g | plasma-pa* package |
| 20:18.19 | fsmithred | it doesn't want to remove your entire desktop? |
| 20:18.25 | h0rs35f0g | well at least is working |
| 20:18.48 | h0rs35f0g | its only at the time for restart that doesnt work so can be a pain in the ass ... once per year |
| 20:21.03 | h0rs35f0g | time for the 34252135 reboot of today :) |
| 20:22.47 | golinux | KDE and pulse what a horror-combo! |
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| 20:23.32 | carlie | Is there someone in here who handles press inquiries? I'm from Linux Journal and want to talk to someone about an article for LJ. |
| 20:23.39 | Irrwahn | golinux: Pulsing icons, pulsing audio. :P |
| 20:25.21 | golinux | swoons and goes into a fit |
| 20:25.22 | fsmithred | carlie, maybe you should talk to jaromil |
| 20:25.30 | carlie | ok cool, thanks |
| 20:26.22 | fsmithred | stay logged in and there's a good chance he'll notice this |
| 20:26.31 | carlie | 10-4 |
| 20:26.33 | h0rs35f0g | I will keep with my personal interview / round of questions fsmithred |
| 20:26.55 | h0rs35f0g | what do you think of Wayland |
| 20:27.05 | fsmithred | I know almost nothing about it |
| 20:27.13 | h0rs35f0g | allright |
| 20:27.32 | fsmithred | I'm still trying to figure out X |
| 20:27.37 | h0rs35f0g | I am interested in the project of moving i3 WM to wayland |
| 20:27.45 | h0rs35f0g | X is such a pain in the ass |
| 20:28.06 | h0rs35f0g | I really Think it will be the future of most of the systems |
| 20:28.08 | fsmithred | I know there are i3 users in devuan community |
| 20:28.10 | h0rs35f0g | specially Tablets |
| 20:28.41 | h0rs35f0g | resizing windows with the finger can be such a gorgeus thing |
| 20:29.03 | fsmithred | yeah, that makes sense |
| 20:31.00 | h0rs35f0g | the project is called sway |
| 20:31.30 | h0rs35f0g | https://github.com/swaywm/sway |
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| 20:36.37 | golinux | carlie: I'm pm him. |
| 20:37.03 | carlie | k |
| 20:39.59 | golinux | carlie: I also sent him an email |
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| 20:47.17 | carlie | I'm at carlie@linuxjournal.com. He can just ping me there. No rush. Thanks for the help and sorry to interrupt the flow in here. |
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| 20:49.14 | golinux | OK. I'll pass that on. Thanks for your interest in Devuan. |
| 20:51.18 | KatolaZ | o/ |
| 20:51.31 | KatolaZ | rrq: ping |
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| 21:21.23 | jaromil | ack |
| 21:23.10 | jaromil | i write Carlie and will rely questions to devuan-dev if necessary |
| 21:23.32 | jaromil | done |
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