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| 00:24.51 | msiism | i usually use and external usb sound device. but i can't use that with my headset. so, for the devuan meeting, i always switch to my internal sound card. having done this a couple of times, i figured this should be made easier through a script. |
| 00:25.31 | msiism | so, i've created one: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d43e6d77/ |
| 00:26.13 | msiism | but, as you can see in what i've pasted there, i get an error from alsa, telling me it could not find any sound cards. |
| 00:26.46 | msiism | contrary to that error message, sound works as expected after the switch. |
| 00:27.04 | msiism | and: i only get this error sometimes. |
| 00:27.27 | msiism | i'm unsure what causes it. |
| 00:29.54 | msiism | (i'm on jessie, fwiw) |
| 00:30.42 | gnarface | msiism: i'm guessing probably delay for hardware initialization after the driver loads causes a race condition where sometimes the alsactl command runs before it's done. if you add a sleep after the modprobe command it should be sufficient. |
| 00:32.16 | gnarface | msiism: the effects of the failure would be non-obvious if you hadn't changed the mixer settings since the last time they were successfully stored |
| 00:33.31 | msiism | gnarface: thanks, i was suspecting something like that. but i couldn't explain it since there can be no race conditions between those command that are actually executed in the script. but the may cause other things to be executed and that than can cause the race condition, right? |
| 00:34.25 | msiism | gnarface: btw, alsa seems to mute the master volume of my internal device willy-nilly on switching. |
| 00:34.46 | gnarface | msiism: also it's worth mentioning there's probably an easier way to do this that doesn't involve loading/unloading drivers - two soundcards can coexist peacefully with ALSA if you know what you're doing |
| 00:34.53 | msiism | sometimes it will only be muted, sometimes the volume will be down to 0 also |
| 00:35.25 | gnarface | that is a symptom i'd expect from the alsactl error |
| 00:35.37 | msiism | gnarface: i see |
| 00:36.12 | gnarface | yea, the issue here as i see it is that after you run the modprobe command (for either module) the hardware itself may still be "busy" for an undetermined amount of time while the bash script still plays on |
| 00:36.35 | msiism | i see |
| 00:36.38 | msiism | about the two soundcards, i don't know. it seems to complicated for me from what i know. and i actually never use the internal device, except fro the meetings. |
| 00:37.12 | msiism | i normallyhave the module blacklisted |
| 00:37.52 | bill-auger | ALSA will enable all sound cards it finds - not only do they not need manual enabling but they will all be active simulteneously by defulat |
| 00:37.57 | gnarface | msiism: i understand your reasoning and i don't blame you. alsa has quite a learning curve and i don't claim to be any sort of expert on it, i'm just telling you that for your own knowledge, you're having problems that are unique to the bottom of the learning curve |
| 00:38.40 | gnarface | msiism: the advised approach would be to load both card's drivers at boot then use a ~/.asoundrc customization to toggle behaviors |
| 00:39.10 | gnarface | that way they're both always "hot" but unless you're trying to save battery power that should be preferable |
| 00:39.23 | msiism | gnarface: right. maybe i should look into that. |
| 00:39.37 | gnarface | you should. but one sleep command is probably the quick fix |
| 00:40.03 | msiism | also, i would still need a way to switch. |
| 00:40.17 | msiism | because, the external dev would have to be my primary device |
| 00:40.22 | gnarface | usually what you'd do is you'd assign them different custom logical PCMs |
| 00:40.43 | gnarface | then you could just dial one or the other into every program as appropriate |
| 00:41.04 | gnarface | and a logical PCM doesn't have to be created from just one card. it can be an amalgamation of sub-devices across multiple cards |
| 00:41.17 | gnarface | in some cases that can obviate the need for any "toggling" or "switching" at all |
| 00:43.09 | msiism | i see. in my case, the setting is not application specific, however. but then, having both devices active and then just having to do mute/unmute to "switch", could be a solution. |
| 00:44.16 | msiism | on the other hand, it maybe not really nacessary to have the internal device active all the time, if i almost never use it. |
| 00:44.38 | gnarface | well, it's not common knowledge, but any software that properly supports ALSA should still obey some useful environment variables like ALSA_CARD= for example, even if they don't have any programmed-in control panels for device selection. |
| 00:45.20 | gnarface | (surprisingly it even works on Steam) |
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| 00:48.13 | msiism | ok, i'll go with the sleep command for now and look into alsa for better solutions. or, would it be possible to use 'wait' in this case? |
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| 00:49.06 | gnarface | msiism: i think either will work |
| 00:49.11 | msiism | i mean, if processes work the way i suppose, then it should even be better. but i might be wrong about processes in the frist place. |
| 00:49.50 | gnarface | msiism: actually, i'm not sure if wait will work, because as far as i know the modprobe process would be fully complete before the hardware even starts initializing |
| 00:50.33 | msiism | ok, i see. so, the things that modprobe causes to be done are not child processes of it's own? |
| 00:50.44 | gnarface | right. the important thing to understand here is the modprobe command doesn't initialize the hardware, it simply loads the driver. once the driver is *completely* loaded, then the hardware STARTS to initialize |
| 00:51.02 | gnarface | we often get to pretend like that's instantaneous but it is not |
| 00:51.07 | msiism | i see. |
| 00:51.59 | msiism | ok, going with the sleep command then, for now. thanks. |
| 00:52.02 | gnarface | imagine the soundcard goes through it's own little mini-startup process internally, AFTER it gets a complete copy of the driver |
| 00:52.20 | gnarface | sleep or sleep 1 should be fine |
| 00:52.35 | gnarface | but if it's really slow for some reason you can specify an arbitrary amount of seconds to sleep |
| 00:52.47 | gnarface | i can't imagine it would be more than sleep 5 |
| 00:52.58 | msiism | sleep 1 works just fine |
| 00:53.00 | gnarface | most likely sleep 2 at most |
| 00:53.04 | gnarface | like on a bad day |
| 00:53.13 | msiism | what is sleep without a value? |
| 00:53.17 | gnarface | 1 is the default |
| 00:53.22 | msiism | ok. |
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| 00:53.33 | gnarface | if you need sub-second increments you use something else, i forget what |
| 00:53.56 | msiism | i thought you could just sleep .5 or sth |
| 00:53.56 | gnarface | (my bash scripts rarely need that type of precision) |
| 00:54.08 | gnarface | maybe you're right |
| 00:54.11 | gnarface | it's not something i do a lot |
| 00:54.34 | msiism | seem it can be done (just ran the script with sleep .5) |
| 00:54.43 | gnarface | i try to avoid relying on timeouts |
| 00:55.00 | msiism | yes, it's not such a good solution |
| 00:55.07 | msiism | that's why i was thinking of using wait |
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| 00:55.53 | gnarface | oh interesting.... my copy of the sleep manpage on ceres does say that it now supports floating-point numbers as well as "h,m,s, and d" suffixes |
| 00:55.58 | gnarface | that's new |
| 00:56.20 | gnarface | it used to be integers only |
| 00:56.28 | msiism | well, i'm on jessie. |
| 00:56.37 | gnarface | huh |
| 00:56.43 | gnarface | well not that new i guess i'm just really old |
| 00:57.16 | msiism | :D |
| 00:59.07 | gnarface | you might be able to dial it down to within a couple percent of the minimum wait time actually then |
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| 00:59.37 | gnarface | but your previous testing does suggest there may still be some hysteresis, so it's probably safer to give it a bit of headroom |
| 00:59.57 | msiism | yes, i'll go with sleep 1 for now. |
| 01:02.32 | msiism | just discovered, i've pulseaudio installed...probably because of firefox. need to look into apulse... |
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| 01:23.59 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 03:36.59 | retrosenator | many packages in debian don't know or care about systemd... |
| 03:37.06 | retrosenator | so these already work? |
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| 03:39.32 | NewGnuGuy | indeed |
| 03:40.41 | golinux | retrosenator: More than 95% (maybe 98%) are OK. |
| 03:41.24 | golinux | But with each new release systemd claims more and more of user space. |
| 03:41.25 | retrosenator | is it possible to use systemd in devuan? |
| 03:41.34 | golinux | Nope. |
| 03:41.41 | retrosenator | so we don't even have the option? |
| 03:41.52 | retrosenator | or it's just not supported? |
| 03:41.55 | golinux | Why? Just use debian? |
| 03:42.01 | retrosenator | heh |
| 03:42.04 | golinux | It is banned. |
| 03:42.09 | retrosenator | lol |
| 03:42.15 | retrosenator | what about runit? |
| 03:42.18 | retrosenator | can I use that? |
| 03:42.36 | golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 03:42.42 | msiism | retrosenator: you can use opnrc in asccii |
| 03:42.53 | golinux | Possibly |
| 03:43.14 | msiism | retrosenator: it's in the expert install |
| 03:43.35 | retrosenator | I feel like banning systemd is a crazy.. how can we easily swap it in and out to make comparisons? |
| 03:43.40 | golinux | Folks have experimented with many different init systems in Debian |
| 03:44.04 | msiism | retrosenator: systemd is being banned for wanting to be more than an init system at all costs. |
| 03:44.07 | NewGnuGuy | Runit is on our minds, but does not yet have support |
| 03:44.19 | golinux | http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/ |
| 03:44.44 | retrosenator | I use runit on tinycore linux |
| 03:44.44 | msiism | retrosenator: like creating lock-ins. |
| 03:45.02 | golinux | https://www.freelists.org/archive/modular-debian |
| 03:45.21 | retrosenator | well hmm, I lack understanding, but I feel like a limited systemd could be allowed |
| 03:45.29 | golinux | Not possible |
| 03:45.39 | golinux | Like being a little bit pregnant |
| 03:45.47 | retrosenator | heh |
| 03:45.50 | msiism | retrosenator: limiting itself seems to go against systemd's design goals. |
| 03:46.16 | retrosenator | maybe systemd shoudl be split into two discrete parts then |
| 03:46.34 | golinux | If systemd were only an init system we might not be here. |
| 03:46.36 | retrosenator | and you could use either both or neither of them |
| 03:47.00 | golinux | Impossible without repackaging MANY packages. |
| 03:47.00 | msiism | retrosenator: like jaromil has once said on the devuan-dev ml. if systemd would confine itself to just being an init, Devuan would consider offering it. not likely to happen, if you ask me. |
| 03:47.02 | retrosenator | thats what I mean, it should have init, and then everything else, as completely separate |
| 03:47.40 | golinux | Then it wouldn't be the systemd operating system |
| 03:48.06 | NewGnuGuy | retrosenator: I agree, but the fact of the matter is that it is not being designed that way. |
| 03:48.07 | golinux | Monolithic and locked in. |
| 03:49.04 | golinux | http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html |
| 03:49.07 | msiism | it's still not an operating system, but your point is clear. |
| 03:49.44 | golinux | It's heading in that direction. It is the logical end to the path they have taken. |
| 03:50.33 | golinux | This is a help channel. Maybe this should move over to #debianfork. |
| 03:51.16 | retrosenator | well, thanks for answering my questions |
| 03:51.23 | golinux | YW |
| 03:52.15 | msiism | retrosenator: if you should have any deeper experience with runit, maybe you're interested in helping Devuan get it to work? |
| 03:52.34 | stiltr | Haha, hi retrosenator. |
| 03:54.12 | golinux | retrosenator: You might also want to look at some discussions on the supervision list here: http://skarnet.org/lists/ |
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| 10:34.37 | Wikiwide | I have recently installed Debian 64bit Jessie as dual boot on Windows xp laptop, then manually migrated it to Debian 64bit Stretch. Now I am trying to migrate to Devuan 64bit Ascii. |
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| 10:45.09 | Wikiwide | One of the steps involves replacement of Network Manager with wicd. I would prefer to use network-config instead of wicd. Hence, I installed network-config, removed network manager from boot process, and stopped network manager. |
| 10:46.42 | Wikiwide | Now I am trying to use network-config to connect to wpa network on wlan0. |
| 10:48.10 | Wikiwide | That's the problem: while it seems to admit that wlan0 is up (unlike eth0), it says that siocsifflags: cannot assign requested address. |
| 10:48.38 | KatolaZ | Wikiwide: you don't need to replace networkmanager |
| 10:48.44 | KatolaZ | ascii has networkmanager |
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| 11:01.27 | Wikiwide | The error given by network-config sounds entirely ridiculous. I can disconnect from Internet by ifdown wlan0 and connect back by ifup wlan0, but I would like assurance that it will continue working after reboot. And of course, I would like GUI for the Internet connection. |
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| 11:15.41 | Wikiwide | I am not sure what network-config _wants_ to do. Or what ifconfig _can_ do. |
| 11:16.24 | Wikiwide | But if I call '#ifconfig wlan0: up', like network-config does, then I get an error, like network-config does. |
| 11:17.18 | Wikiwide | And if I call '#ifconfig wlan0:up' [without space], then I get not an error, but a meaningful response. |
| 11:18.02 | Wikiwide | Granted, I still doubt that it carries the same meaning as '#ifup wlan0'. |
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| 11:22.05 | gnarface | some moderator should take down those instructions |
| 11:22.11 | gnarface | or at least mention they're dated and harmful |
| 11:22.52 | Wikiwide | Instructions tell to use wicd. It's my own fault I want to use network-config, not wicd. |
| 11:23.39 | Wikiwide | Network-config seems to rely on ifconfig which, in turn, seems to be out-of-date in Debian Stretch? |
| 11:24.55 | Wikiwide | I would settle for any other network configuring software which has GUI, isn't written in Python, and doesn't depend on a single particular widget toolkit (be it Qt or ncurses) |
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| 11:25.35 | gnarface | are you attempting to use the Debian version of network-manager? is that what is going on here? |
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| 11:25.47 | gnarface | i'm not exactly sure how else you could be having problems |
| 11:26.23 | gnarface | i think the last person who was having problems with it had not uninstalled wicd and they were fighting over it |
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| 11:26.26 | Wikiwide | I am trying to modify my Debian Stretch installation for migration to Devuan (to get rid of systemd). |
| 11:26.32 | bionoid | Hello folks, I tried to install 2.0 beta 64-bit (in a VirtualBox VM) and GRUB install failed, log: https://gist.github.com/bionoid/2aee8d72ad5366bf5444584c7b081358#file-devuan2_grubfail-txt |
| 11:26.53 | gnarface | oh and you're trying to do it without a wire |
| 11:26.55 | gnarface | i see |
| 11:27.33 | bionoid | Can someone please point me in the right direction; I am not sure where exactly to look for existing bugs against the 2.0 beta? |
| 11:27.58 | Wikiwide | At least, I have 240V available for laptop, so there is no danger of "battery low" reboot in the middle of experimentation. |
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| 11:28.55 | bionoid | Should I just issue `reportbug` from the live environment to report it? (if that is what I should do..) |
| 11:29.33 | KatolaZ | bionoid: which image did you use? |
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| 11:31.53 | bionoid | KatolaZ: well good question, it wasn't obvious where to download it from.. I just heard it was out :) it was from https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii_beta/desktop-live/ |
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| 11:32.26 | bionoid | I just now realized there is a separate installer... :) |
| 11:33.15 | KatolaZ | bionoid: you just need to install grub-pc |
| 11:33.27 | KatolaZ | and try again |
| 11:33.42 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: ^^ please correct me if I am wrong |
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| 11:33.58 | fsmithred | waht's up? |
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| 11:35.34 | bionoid | KatolaZ: thanks; I wasn't really worried about getting it running.. mostly thinking about reporting the installer issue if it's not known |
| 11:36.08 | fsmithred | yeah, it's known |
| 11:36.26 | bionoid | alright, thanks both of you! |
| 11:36.32 | fsmithred | if I had remembered to include grub-pc-bin, then the cli installer would do the right thing |
| 11:36.37 | bionoid | and everyone for the great work in general of course :) |
| 11:36.42 | fsmithred | graphical installer needs to be updated to do that |
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| 11:37.44 | fsmithred | and as KatolaZ said, just install grub-pc (assuming you have network connection) |
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| 11:51.55 | Wikiwide | Okay, I seem to have task-laptop, iw and wireless-tools already installed (and wpasupplicant and net-tools). Let's hope it's sufficient to tide me over till I find a network GUI manager I like. |
| 11:53.22 | Wikiwide | Choosing file manager is ... Problematic. Too many of them. |
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| 12:05.03 | Wikiwide | I just wish I knew how to understand what's going on and how to configure it. Say, trayer : how do I add something to it? |
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| 12:14.54 | chillfan | Wikiwide, just saw this topic in the logs.. apparently I've overlooked that network-manager is fine in ascii now, so wicd etc is optional.. I'd go for wicd as an easy and simpler option |
| 12:17.09 | chillfan | I've yet to check out some of the other network managers and can't really recommend them in a plain migration |
| 12:17.33 | chillfan | for users who want it then yeah |
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| 12:19.07 | bionoid | At the "select your location" during install, why are not the options in "Other" what you are presented with initially?! It feels so weird to read past Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, Botswana, ... to click "other" and then go "Europe".. </rant> |
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| 12:27.03 | chillfan | my preference for installers is less recursion, less dialogs |
| 12:27.40 | chillfan | but that's just me |
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| 12:27.48 | Rabbitnightmare | dude fucking stop |
| 12:28.11 | chillfan | ?? |
| 12:28.32 | Rabbitnightmare | stop flooding #ubuntu with your bullshit |
| 12:28.35 | Rabbitnightmare | its unwelcome |
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| 12:28.40 | KatolaZ | Rabbitnightmare: uh? |
| 12:28.41 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.51 | KatolaZ | who is flooding #ubuntu? |
| 12:28.53 | fsmithred | please explain |
| 12:28.59 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 12:29.03 | Rabbitnightmare | go into #ubuntu and see |
| 12:29.07 | chillfan | We know about the spam.. we want this person to stop as well |
| 12:29.20 | KatolaZ | FFS, whazzup? |
| 12:29.42 | meow14 | ffs, stop spamming your shitty channel on #ubuntu fucking niggers. |
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| 12:29.59 | Rabbitnightmare | ikr |
| 12:30.04 | KatolaZ | Rabbitnightmare: ?!? |
| 12:30.05 | fsmithred | someone is spamming forums with devuan spam |
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| 12:30.13 | KatolaZ | mate we know nothing about that |
| 12:30.15 | Rabbitnightmare | its really childish |
| 12:30.15 | KatolaZ | sorry :( |
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| 12:30.31 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, I think we talked about this before you arrived yesterday |
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| 12:31.33 | fsmithred | sorry guys, but we have no control over random wingnuts |
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| 12:32.03 | catmip | so guys, why do you spam #ubuntu? I talked with dax and he told me he thinks it's promoted by staff of this channel |
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| 12:32.18 | D94_1234 | Hey. |
| 12:32.28 | fsmithred | staff of this channel are all cloaked. Is the spammer cloaked? |
| 12:32.46 | KatolaZ | catmip: ^^^ |
| 12:33.07 | D94_1234 | I am looking for the sales pitch on Devuan/anti-systemd. |
| 12:33.21 | catmip | huh i don't this the spammer is stupid enough to disclose his identity. |
| 12:33.28 | catmip | think* |
| 12:33.36 | chillfan | We discussed this problem among ourselves, this is annoying to us as well |
| 12:34.48 | fsmithred | is there nobody in #ubuntu who can silence the spammers? |
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| 12:35.47 | catmip | they did already |
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| 12:36.17 | chillfan | Could freenode staff maybe help with this to ban the hostnames |
| 12:37.16 | catmip | dax told me he is not going to give any support for this channel already as he personally thinks you guys are involved in spam. |
| 12:37.19 | catmip | good luck anyways. |
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| 12:40.03 | nbazero | silly ubunutos |
| 12:40.19 | KatolaZ | nope, silly spammers |
| 12:40.28 | KatolaZ | people have a lot of spare time apaprently |
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| 12:41.05 | nbazero | apparently people with money |
| 12:41.40 | KatolaZ | well, |
| 12:42.10 | rafalcpp | what an idiot |
| 12:47.07 | chillfan | Well, heh.. it's annoying people think we'd do something for them to lash out at us |
| 12:48.18 | gnarface | or maybe they just wanted us to think that! |
| 12:48.44 | gnarface | false flags everywhere! |
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| 14:01.02 | cppxor2arr | what the crap is it with devuan is nice spam |
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| 15:07.21 | Icefoz | Having bots spam other channels with advertisements doesn't make a good impression. |
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| 15:10.29 | alex8 | bah, fucking spammers .!. |
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| 16:01.54 | internoc | It would be great if you channel stopped spamming other networks. |
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| 16:02.56 | internoc | You guys look like kids doing that, it's not good for an open source project. |
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| 16:03.24 | mquin | It's 2018, you'd really think people would know what a joe job is by now |
| 16:03.41 | chillfan | a joe job? |
| 16:04.02 | mquin | spamming in someone else's name, so they get the flack for it |
| 16:04.11 | chillfan | ah |
| 16:04.25 | chillfan | never heard the term |
| 16:05.00 | chillfan | honestly wondering if some of these people aren't just trolling |
| 16:05.33 | chillfan | anything to stick to devuan, those who abandoned those poor systemd devs |
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| 16:10.00 | KatolaZ | the spammer is the same that comes here and complains about spam |
| 16:10.08 | KatolaZ | don't feed the troll |
| 16:11.48 | chillfan | well that confirms for me then |
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| 18:45.55 | internoc | could you stop spamming on #freenode please |
| 18:46.11 | golinux | We are not spamming |
| 18:46.34 | golinux | Someone is trying to get us into trouble. |
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| 18:48.42 | KatolaZ | golinux: useless to respond |
| 18:48.51 | KatolaZ | the nick that complains is the same that spams |
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| 18:49.55 | golinux | Yea, I saw the dust up in the logs. |
| 18:51.37 | internoc | oh really? nice scheme you got outta there. now everyone who is complaining about spam is a spammer himself. applauding. I have another idea for you idiots, how about just stopping your useless spam? Pff. |
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| 18:51.52 | Lydia_K | O.o |
| 18:51.58 | Lydia_K | That's like, surreal. |
| 18:52.54 | golinux | We must be doing something right to be attracting this kind of reaction. |
| 18:53.07 | Lydia_K | I don't understand why people are so violent towards us. |
| 18:53.39 | Lydia_K | Like, it's fucking open source/gnu/linux, the point is to say "I don't like it that way, I'm gonna built it this way instead!" |
| 18:54.39 | miyagi1 | apparently not everyone is capable |
| 18:54.51 | golinux | There is a lot of violence and hate in the world these days. |
| 18:55.01 | KatolaZ | just don't feed the trolls |
| 18:55.03 | KatolaZ | ignore them |
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| 18:55.12 | KatolaZ | we have contacted freenode admins |
| 18:55.17 | blop | golinux: that is correct |
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| 18:55.32 | golinux | Can't freenode do something about it? |
| 18:55.58 | blop | there are many demons amok, poetterings and worse |
| 18:58.06 | msiism | maybe we should add a "don't trust the internet on Devuan" dislcaimer to chanserv's message, like they have for #bash (no, i'm not serious about it). |
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| 19:00.34 | OmegaPhil | Presumably its targetted harassment |
| 19:00.51 | OmegaPhil | Make Devuan look fringe, hated, kooky, and keep the critical mass away. |
| 19:01.41 | msiism | btw, it's kind of the same in the german discussions i've read. |
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| 19:02.55 | msiism | but as KatolaZ said, it's no use replying to that stuff |
| 19:04.43 | KatolaZ | we should just ignore the trolls |
| 19:04.45 | KatolaZ | and carry on |
| 19:07.47 | blop | yes |
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| 19:22.58 | booyah | Lydia_K: just ban this idiots |
| 19:23.30 | Lydia_K | guh? |
| 19:24.25 | booyah | like internoc |
| 19:24.34 | KatolaZ | don't feed the trolls |
| 19:24.47 | Lydia_K | Do I even have ops in this channel? |
| 19:24.48 | Lydia_K | shrugs |
| 19:24.52 | Lydia_K | I don't even know. |
| 19:24.54 | Lydia_K | Maybe I do! |
| 19:25.01 | Lydia_K | loses interest and wanders away |
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| 19:52.33 | amote | see what you have done with your spam: |
| 19:52.34 | amote | <dysfun> i actually use devuan, but this sort of stuff makes me not want to |
| 19:52.38 | amote | [13:44:48] <dysfun> when i told one of my (greybeard) friends i was using devuan he described them as "thos odd people" |
| 19:52.58 | amote | now think about how effective your spam is, you are losing users. |
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| 19:58.11 | Lydia_K | I've never seen any of this spam.. are we being gaslighted or something? |
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| 19:59.41 | blop | i haven't either |
| 19:59.55 | unixman | Lydia_K, probably. |
| 20:00.07 | Lydia_K | Feels like it. |
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| 20:00.57 | unixman | just uses Devuan and is satisfied with it |
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| 20:01.08 | Watiqah | #devuan |
| 20:01.08 | Jupe_gitchu | #devuan |
| 20:01.09 | After | #devuan |
| 20:01.17 | Nur_Azmina | I choose #devuan and recommend it to everyone. |
| 20:01.18 | Viano | I choose #devuan and recommend it to everyone. |
| 20:01.21 | After | I choose #devuan and recommend it to everyone. |
| 20:01.21 | Cavell | #devuan |
| 20:01.23 | unixman | does not really care if anyone else uses it or not. |
| 20:01.24 | Nabilah | I choose #devuan and recommend it to everyone. |
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| 20:02.27 | Laiyinah | #devuan |
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| 20:03.55 | unixman | Looks like scripted crap. Probably would need to involve freenode admins to track it down. |
| 20:04.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigyn takes care |
| 20:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | they try to inject #devuan into the k-line pattern buffer |
| 20:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't work |
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| 20:05.30 | Doherty | Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom. |
| 20:05.50 | OmegaPhil | Lol. |
| 20:06.36 | Lydia_K | So, right after I say I've never seen this span suddenly there's ton of it in this very channel? ha. |
| 20:06.50 | unixman | Lurker. |
| 20:06.56 | Lydia_K | Honestly, people should find better things to do with their time. |
| 20:06.58 | Lydia_K | It's pathetic. |
| 20:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | joe hob |
| 20:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | job* |
| 20:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | prepare for bitching coming in about devuan members being rogue |
| 20:08.39 | unixman | Yah. I doubt it is anyone who cares about Devuan at all. ;) |
| 20:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>A joe job is a spamming technique that sends out unsolicited e-mails using spoofed sender data. Early joe jobs aimed at tarnishing the reputation of the apparent sender or inducing the recipients to take action against them<< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job |
| 20:10.38 | unixman | <Lydia_K> Honestly, people should find better things to do with their time. <- That assumes trolls have real lives with better things to do. Unlikely. ;) |
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| 20:11.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | evidently |
| 20:11.17 | KatolaZ | don't feed the troll |
| 20:11.51 | nopside | there is lots of spam on #cisco advertising this channel. Are you guys aware of that? |
| 20:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | joe job |
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| 20:13.10 | nopside | hum ok |
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| 20:14.24 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Sorry for the SPAM, unrelated to any devuan members. It's a joe job https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job |
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| 20:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | pats sigyn |
| 20:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just feel sorry for the channels that are not protected by her |
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| 20:21.33 | miyagi1 | is there a channel for your neo device? |
| 20:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | #neo900 |
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| 20:28.25 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Sorry for the SPAM, unrelated to any devuan members. It's a joe job https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job !! Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | Devuan Forum: https://dev |
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| 20:31.14 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Sorry for the SPAM, unrelated to any devuan members. It's a joe job https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job !! Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic to #debianfork | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org |
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| 23:02.51 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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