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| 01:19.20 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 04:49.05 | FriendlyMan | Devuan 2.0 amd64 ico fresh install xfce wicd no wifi detected, ethernet not connected. Try to connect with ethernet, nothing. ifconfig: command not found. =) Help? |
| 04:49.17 | FriendlyMan | Everything was working 100 |
| 04:49.27 | FriendlyMan | % when updating to ascii from jessie =) |
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| 04:52.23 | skyroveRR | devuan doesn't come with ifconfig, you gotta install it separately :) |
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| 04:54.26 | FriendlyMan | No internet to install ifconfig Lols! I'll reinstall jessie, and upgrade to ascii now. =) |
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| 04:59.48 | golinux | There's an option in the ascii installer to install cli tools |
| 04:59.58 | golinux | FriendlyMan: ^^^ |
| 05:00.30 | FriendlyMan | Ah! So that should help me with ethernet/wifi support off the bat??? =) |
| 05:00.52 | golinux | dunno.. Everything always works here |
| 05:01.06 | golinux | lret me try to find the name |
| 05:01.49 | FriendlyMan | (Didn't install those.) Good eye. Thank you. .. Interesting this is a hybrid laptop/tablet, so everything's pretty proprietary. :\ |
| 05:02.10 | golinux | CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that |
| 05:02.10 | golinux | installs a fully-featured set of console-based utils and tools. |
| 05:02.29 | golinux | That was in the beta announcement |
| 05:03.00 | FriendlyMan | Cool! I think i will try to reinstall with that, and see if it helps, and report back! =) I'll look out for announcements for now on. *Smiles* |
| 05:03.23 | golinux | I haven't seen it in the installer but did help to write the announcement. ;) |
| 05:03.40 | golinux | Hope all goes well |
| 05:04.58 | FriendlyMan | I did see it in the UEFI "Graphical Install" menu options. Re-installing right now. =) Thanks! |
| 05:05.59 | golinux | Cool. |
| 05:07.30 | FriendlyMan | This is an install where I had to pass extra grub kernel parameters: acpi_osi=Linux acpi_osi="!Windows 2012" acpi_osi="!Windows 2013" acpi_backlight=vendor |
| 05:07.52 | FriendlyMan | In order for me to even get it to show a scren when i hit "Enter" on "Graphical Install" |
| 05:10.54 | FriendlyMan | Strange jessie amd64 install dvd graphical install detected wifi networks fine, but ascii amd64 install dvd can't scan for and display ssid's. . |
| 05:11.09 | golinux | Good that you have that knowledge. Would be a bigger pain if you didn't. ;) |
| 05:12.44 | FriendlyMan | Yes I believe because i necessarily assured all network drivers were updated in jessie before updating to ascii helped to assure working driver configurations came along for the ride. =) |
| 05:15.33 | FriendlyMan | Also after jessie->ascii transition: Xfce "Application Menu"->"Settings"->"Background"->Selecting a backgrounds folder didn't work. Work around was to pin folder to favorites to select the folder. otherwise "Pictures" folder was greyed out.. |
| 05:18.16 | FriendlyMan | Perhaps Xfce wiicd wasn't working with eth0/wlan0, because i unchecked: "Devuan desktop environment", then checked "Xfce".. ??? |
| 05:18.43 | FriendlyMan | Is "Devuan Desktop Environment" "Required" in order for Xfce to work? |
| 05:34.02 | FriendlyMan | *Patient Guinnea Pig is Patient* =) |
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| 06:22.53 | FriendlyMan | golinux: Selecting: Third network mirror: deb.devuan.org, and in "Software Selection" selecting: "Devuan Desktop environment", "Xfce (Default)", and "Console Productivity" fived my wired AND Wifi! Thanks! =P |
| 06:25.20 | blop | congrats FriendlyMan |
| 06:27.39 | FriendlyMan | Thanks goes to Devuan community. |
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| 06:53.09 | golinux | FriendlyMan: That's great news!!! |
| 06:55.17 | golinux | I think that you might need "Devuan Desktop Environ" to get the default devuan theming. |
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| 08:49.48 | playX | Hello everyone, devuan have iso with non-free firmware? |
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| 13:12.16 | Guest21217 | playX: devuan hasn't isos with non-free firmware; as far as i know, because i don't use the official images of devuan, but the live-sdk for building my own isos and also refracta and other derivatives |
| 13:12.30 | Guest21217 | but devuan includes non-free repos |
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| 13:14.45 | fsmithred | playX only stayed for a minute |
| 13:15.11 | Guest21217 | he/she is worse than me |
| 13:15.13 | fsmithred | the live isos have non-free wireless firmware installed and a script to remove all that |
| 13:15.40 | fsmithred | the installer isos should also have firmware |
| 13:15.56 | fsmithred | I know if you use expert install, it asks if you want non-free or not |
| 13:16.22 | Guest21217 | fsmithred: the isos of refracta include the non-free firmware packages in the home directory, but they are not installed by default |
| 13:16.30 | fsmithred | I think regular install will also add non-free if you choose a network interface that requires it |
| 13:16.41 | fsmithred | correct |
| 13:17.05 | fsmithred | on devuan CD and DVD isos there are packages in /firmware |
| 13:18.10 | fsmithred | also in that location in the live isos, in case you want to reinstall after removing them |
| 13:18.45 | Guest21217 | ok |
| 13:19.45 | Guest21217 | fsmithred: i'm still burning the generated filesystem by testdisk (341,8 GiB) |
| 13:20.08 | Guest21217 | i'm also building linux-libre-4.9.80 at the same time |
| 13:20.11 | fsmithred | wow |
| 13:20.25 | fsmithred | on the same computer? |
| 13:20.30 | Guest21217 | yes |
| 13:20.49 | fsmithred | watch out for overheating |
| 13:21.30 | Guest21217 | more then 15 hours building the packages of the kernel, it does not give more of itself |
| 13:21.46 | Guest21217 | doing both tasks at the same time |
| 13:22.41 | fsmithred | good |
| 13:23.32 | fsmithred | do you know anything about how grub udebs work? |
| 13:24.01 | fsmithred | if I wanted to install a particular version of grub in a live session, could I use udebs? |
| 13:24.17 | fsmithred | instead of regular deb packages |
| 13:24.20 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: be careful with udebs |
| 13:24.25 | KatolaZ | very careful |
| 13:24.37 | fsmithred | in what way? |
| 13:24.55 | fsmithred | they blow up if you drop them? |
| 13:24.57 | Guest21217 | i've been also translating chillfan's documentation |
| 13:25.44 | Guest21217 | this task overheated my computer in 3 degrees fahrenheit |
| 13:25.54 | fsmithred | lol |
| 13:25.58 | fsmithred | no need to open a window |
| 13:27.15 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: udebs are not meant to be uninstalled |
| 13:27.18 | KatolaZ | or upgraded |
| 13:27.31 | fsmithred | well, here's my dilemma |
| 13:27.56 | Guest21217 | fsmithred: udeb packages are not for live sessions |
| 13:27.58 | fsmithred | the amd64 live isos need several versions of grub available |
| 13:28.04 | fsmithred | for installation |
| 13:28.16 | Guest21217 | yes, of course :) |
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| 13:28.24 | fsmithred | including the debs takes up space, installing them takes up space |
| 13:28.30 | Guest21217 | grub-install-udeb |
| 13:29.10 | fsmithred | grub is not needed during the live session, but it needs to be installable for hard drive |
| 13:29.36 | Guest21217 | that's right |
| 13:29.46 | fsmithred | what happens if I install grub-install-udeb in a live session? |
| 13:29.57 | fsmithred | or must it be installed in chroot? |
| 13:30.29 | Guest21217 | they are superfluous in chroot |
| 13:30.44 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: but what happens then when the users run refractainstaller? |
| 13:30.58 | KatolaZ | they get the udeb version? |
| 13:31.00 | Guest21217 | for d-i, better not to be installed |
| 13:31.21 | fsmithred | well, there are tests to see if the installed grub matches the hardware |
| 13:31.27 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: in a working system you should have only debs, no udebs |
| 13:31.36 | fsmithred | and if not, then the right version of grub needs to be installed |
| 13:32.03 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: desktop live is 1GB already |
| 13:32.09 | fsmithred | right now, grub-efi-amd64-bin, grub-pc-bin and grub-efi-ia32-bin are all installed |
| 13:32.16 | KatolaZ | I don't think the grub debs would make much difference, right? |
| 13:32.23 | fsmithred | and the non-bin packages are in the iso |
| 13:33.08 | Guest21217 | fsmithred, KatolaZ: time to eat, see you :) |
| 13:33.18 | fsmithred | see you later |
| 13:33.21 | Guest21217 | bbl |
| 13:34.29 | fsmithred | you're right. All six packages are only 2.5M |
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| 15:43.16 | mmaglis | Hi. I am trying to mount usb drives (fs exfat) without dbus (triggered by https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/devuan-without-dbus). I first get an error about my user privileges on /media/usb0 ("fusermount: user has no write access to mountpoint"). When I change ownership of the mount points, I get an error "fusermount: option allow_other only allowed if 'user_allow_other' is set in /etc/fuse.conf". When I then set the |
| 15:43.16 | mmaglis | option, I get error "fusermount: option blkdev is privileged". Any pointers anyone? |
| 15:44.26 | KatolaZ | mmaglis: why don't you use pmount? |
| 15:45.24 | KatolaZ | it's not automatic but needs you to just add your used to plugdev |
| 15:45.32 | KatolaZ | and you are done |
| 15:48.16 | mmaglis | KatolaZ, I am working on it... |
| 15:48.59 | mmaglis | pmount gives me the same "fusermount: option blkdev is privileged" |
| 15:49.23 | fsmithred | mmaglis, did you edit /etc/pmount.conf? |
| 15:49.58 | fsmithred | sorry, pmount.allow |
| 15:50.47 | fsmithred | nm, you shouldn't have to do that for removables |
| 15:54.35 | mmaglis | hmm. I get pmount to mount /dev/sdb but not /dev/sdb1 (I get blkdev is privileged error). |
| 15:56.43 | fsmithred | you logged out and in after adding user to plugdev? |
| 15:58.21 | mmaglis | I was already in this group. |
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| 16:03.10 | fsmithred | snow time. bbl. |
| 16:03.52 | mmaglis | pmount /dev/sdb1 as root does work as expected |
| 16:04.50 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:10.42 | KatolaZ | mmaglis: silly question: have you pumount-ed it before trying pmount from regular user? |
| 16:13.27 | mmaglis | KatolaZ: yes :-) I removed the entries in fstab and I am now trying pmount/pumount as root and as regular user. |
| 16:14.52 | mmaglis | root is able to pmount /dev/sdb1 only when there is an entry in fstab. Otherwise throws an error about the filesystem. |
| 16:15.30 | mmaglis | regular user is not able to pmount either way. |
| 16:15.58 | KatolaZ | mmaglis: do you have a "/media" folder? |
| 16:16.11 | mmaglis | KatolaZ: yes |
| 16:16.59 | mmaglis | I am trying to mount things under /media. pmount does create the correct mounts for root when fstab has entries for the devices. |
| 16:18.30 | KatolaZ | mmaglis: that's very strange |
| 16:21.30 | mmaglis | KatolaZ: indeed. I found this thread: https://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#useroption3. |
| 16:22.32 | mmaglis | that made me think about access rights to the volume... |
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| 16:23.59 | mmaglis | /dev/sdb is created as root.disk |
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| 16:34.13 | mmaglis | KatolaZ: my /bin/ntfs-3g permissions are: -rwsr-xr-x root.root |
| 16:40.00 | mmaglis | KatolaZ: I am also in the disk group. Strange. I don't get it. |
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| 16:46.02 | KatolaZ | mmaglis: dmesg |
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| 16:48.55 | mmaglis | KatolaZ: here is the relevant section: |
| 16:48.58 | mmaglis | FAT-fs (sdb1): bogus number of reserved sectors |
| 16:48.58 | mmaglis | FAT-fs (sdb1): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem |
| 16:48.58 | mmaglis | FAT-fs (sdb1): bogus number of reserved sectors |
| 16:48.58 | mmaglis | FAT-fs (sdb1): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem |
| 16:49.21 | skyroveRR | mmaglis: did you format using FAT32 or FAT16? |
| 16:49.29 | skyroveRR | Or NTFS, rather... |
| 16:49.56 | mmaglis | skyroveRR: it was done as exfat, I think, under a windows system |
| 16:51.56 | mmaglis | dmesg reports it cannot find other filesystem types in sdb1 |
| 16:53.34 | mmaglis | fdisk reports the partition as: HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 16:56.38 | mmaglis | blkid reports: /dev/sdb1: LABEL="PRIVATE" UUID="844F-2B90" TYPE="exfat" PARTUUID="11061961-01" |
| 16:59.42 | mmaglis | by the way, the fstab entry is: "/dev/sdb1/media/sdb1autorw,user,noauto00" |
| 17:00.58 | KatolaZ | mmaglis: you should remove the fstab entry for pmount to work |
| 17:01.00 | KatolaZ | IIRC |
| 17:04.04 | mmaglis | KatolaZ: after removing the entry in fstab the pmount reports: |
| 17:04.10 | mmaglis | Error: invalid file system name 'exfat' |
| 17:04.10 | mmaglis | NTFS signature is missing. |
| 17:04.10 | mmaglis | Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Invalid argument |
| 17:04.10 | mmaglis | The device '/dev/sdb1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS. |
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| 17:08.35 | mmaglis | I do have exfat-fuse installed. Is pmount able to deal with exfat? |
| 17:10.58 | mmaglis | It is not clear to me if I am missing some package, my system configuration is wrong or exfat cannot be mounted without dbus/systemd... |
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| 17:14.24 | mmaglis | the strange/interesting thing is that if fstab does have an entry for sdb1, the command mount /media/sdb1 is successful reporting "FUSE exfat 1.2.5" |
| 17:15.51 | mmaglis | if mount command is run as root |
| 17:28.20 | mmaglis | After deleting the existing partition in my usb stick and creating a new one (fdisk type c) and a filesystem (mkfs.vfat) the mount command works fine for normal user now. So it looks that installed tools in my system could not handle the exfat filesystem created by a windows system. Case closed for me now. Thank you all for the support. |
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| 17:30.21 | fsmithred | is there any difference between exfat and vfat other than the flag? |
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| 17:37.23 | blop | i think so |
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| 18:20.16 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: desktop-live is very popular ;) |
| 18:22.22 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: congrats! :) |
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| 18:24.45 | fsmithred | thanks. I hope they can figure out how to install it. |
| 18:25.29 | fsmithred | secret recipe for bios hardware install: get a network connection and install grub-pc before you run the installer. |
| 18:26.09 | fsmithred | but don't let it install the bootloader when you install the package. You can do that inside the installer (and it works this way.) |
| 18:30.18 | golinux | There is a readme, right? |
| 18:40.41 | fsmithred | yes, but the readme did not predict any bugs that I didn't know about |
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| 18:44.04 | golinux | Ah I see you posted on d1g. Good. |
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| 19:37.46 | cosurgi | Question: is there a graph with number of release-critical bugs for next relese? |
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| 19:47.36 | lru | does devuan have cloud images? |
| 20:00.16 | golinux | There is one at amazon |
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| 20:15.14 | lru | thanks |
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| 20:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/The_SysVinit_upstream_project_just_migrated_to_git.html |
| 20:47.23 | golinux | Old news |
| 20:47.33 | golinux | (in internet time) |
| 20:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, 2018-03-18 ohmy old |
| 20:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, 02 |
| 20:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly as old as 26h |
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| 20:52.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I love the >>Surprising as it might sound, there are still computers using the traditional Sys V init system, and there probably will be until systemd start working on Hurd and FreeBSD<< |
| 20:54.12 | MinceR | i thought FreeBSD used the BSD init system :> |
| 20:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 20:55.27 | golinux | You know the mentality. systemd - there is no other init. |
| 20:56.01 | fsmithred | and everyone always upgrades immediately to the newest version of whatever |
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| 20:58.44 | chillfan | I think they use rc.. but he probably means the kfreebsd port (which is also dead afaik) |
| 20:59.55 | chillfan | dead or struggling, can't remember which |
| 21:07.13 | chillfan | they really shouldn't be surprised sysvinit is not closing it's doors because Debian wants it to |
| 21:12.18 | chillfan | Debian switches to systemd? Oh well, that's sysvinit, openrc and runit and every gnu tool and isc closing it's repos.. |
| 21:22.14 | blop | heh |
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