| 00:00.00 | KatolaZ | since we didn't have time to notify mirrors in time |
| 00:00.08 | KatolaZ | and they all started syncing together |
| 00:00.12 | Xenguy | huh |
| 00:00.14 | KatolaZ | now it should be better |
| 00:00.32 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: you have just apt-get update'd on pkgmaster? :) |
| 00:00.54 | KatolaZ | (kidding) |
| 00:00.55 | Xenguy | Not sure if I know what you mean |
| 00:00.56 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 00:01.00 | Xenguy | aha |
| 00:01.04 | Xenguy | humor! |
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| 00:11.02 | nemo | FlibberTGibbet: yeah, I know it is just a check, not a new cert, but with them providing 60% of certs nowdays, didn't see any reason for an extra 60 pointless checks ⺠|
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| 01:20.26 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 02:12.37 | msiism | apropos creating gui frontends for bash scripts: https://github.com/BashGui/easybashgui. |
| 02:13.35 | msiism | on his website, the developer of easybashgui writes: "Fedora, PCLinuxOS and Puppy Linux, have own packages in their repositories. (Sadly, EBG structure is compliant with Debian policy, but no way to have a deb package in its repo... )." |
| 02:13.54 | msiism | i wonder why that is. the software is gpl-licensed. |
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| 08:05.11 | edbarx | ... and after apdating ASCII, only "logoff" is enabled in XFCE 'log out' dialog. :(t |
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| 08:40.53 | Beerbelott | Hello. Running ascii, I ended up doing a dist-upgrade yesterday and as a result XFCE's 'Shutdown' buttons end up with the 'logging off' behavior. The only way I found to shut my machine down is by using 'shutdown -h'. Am I alone? |
| 08:41.25 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: I guess you need to install the consolekit polkit backend |
| 08:41.27 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 08:42.47 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1884 |
| 08:42.52 | KatolaZ | this is related |
| 08:42.53 | KatolaZ | also |
| 08:43.00 | KatolaZ | the latest thread on DNG |
| 08:43.55 | KatolaZ | Beerbelott: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180214.123746.e89eaef8.en.html |
| 08:44.10 | KatolaZ | there is a glitch in the deps |
| 08:44.14 | Beerbelott | OK thx |
| 08:44.21 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 08:44.23 | KatolaZ | np! |
| 08:44.26 | Beerbelott | Good not to feel alone at least ;) |
| 08:45.04 | Beerbelott | I usually don't do wild dist-upgrade... and I should have sticked to that policy :D |
| 08:45.14 | Beerbelott | stuck* |
| 08:49.17 | KatolaZ | no Beerbelott |
| 08:49.35 | KatolaZ | it's just a minor glitch, indeed |
| 08:49.39 | KatolaZ | it should be solved soon |
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| 08:53.04 | Beerbelott | The resolution thread makes one choose between elogind and consolekit |
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| 08:53.42 | Beerbelott | As far as I get it, elogind is a standalone, systemd-free dependency required for KDE or gnome |
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| 08:54.08 | Beerbelott | WOuld it mean it's better to use consolekit if such a dependency is not required? |
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| 08:56.40 | gnarface | Beerbelott: i'm not sure it matters much which you use. there of course is the option to use neither, if you don't care about graphical login |
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| 08:57.59 | Beerbelott | gnarface: Well sticking with libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd is definitely NOT part of my plans anyway ;) |
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| 08:58.09 | Beerbelott | (and the other one) |
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| 08:59.48 | vvande | gnarface, I got to the bottom of my laptop networking problem |
| 09:00.04 | gnarface | oh? |
| 09:00.07 | vvande | that is to say I got it sorted out and working well |
| 09:00.23 | vvande | I didn't know the relationship of wicd to network-manager |
| 09:00.53 | vvande | it turns out that network-manager was interfeering |
| 09:00.53 | gnarface | hmmm. they were fighting over it? |
| 09:00.53 | vvande | turn off the service and all is good |
| 09:01.05 | gnarface | damn. well good to know |
| 09:01.07 | vvande | I think so. |
| 09:01.23 | vvande | the last test here was trying to ssh into the machine |
| 09:01.29 | vvande | logs in with zero wait |
| 09:01.37 | vvande | why that is, no idea |
| 09:01.49 | vvande | but my permanent fix was to remove network-manager |
| 09:02.07 | vvande | couldn't figure out how else to keep it down across boots |
| 09:02.10 | gnarface | that was my fix for network-manager too |
| 09:02.13 | gnarface | hehe |
| 09:02.20 | vvande | nasty program |
| 09:02.56 | vvande | I guess I didn't need to uninstall xfce, but that's just fine since it's not needed - good to keep things clean anyway |
| 09:03.31 | vvande | also, the way I came to some kind of understanding here was to peruse log files |
| 09:03.47 | vvande | I should have started with that tactic. :) |
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| 09:13.54 | gnarface | heh, yea logs are important |
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| 15:51.37 | ejr | yay, another jessie update today :) |
| 15:52.37 | blop | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.40 | blop | in ascii |
| 15:53.58 | blop | apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf=6.3.0-9~ // E: Version '6.3.0-9~' for 'gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf' was not found |
| 15:54.54 | ejr | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! <--- why exactly do I get this message on apt-get upgrade in jessie? |
| 15:55.12 | chillfan | you need to upgrade devuan-keyring |
| 15:56.05 | ejr | that can only be done manually, i guess? |
| 15:56.15 | chillfan | like apt-get update; apt-get upgrade devuan-keyring then apt-get update once more |
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| 15:56.45 | chillfan | should be upgraded on it's own, unless you somehow didn't install it (like in a deboostrap install) |
| 15:56.53 | blop | do i need to build all of gcc? |
| 15:57.22 | ejr | thx chillfan; turns out debian-keyring wasn't even installed. |
| 15:59.49 | chillfan | you're welcome |
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| 16:06.32 | msiism | chillfan: are you running a 64-bit machine? |
| 16:07.09 | chillfan | msiism, yeah |
| 16:07.26 | msiism | chillfan: great. and you have an account on the fod wiki, right? |
| 16:07.45 | chillfan | I have an account, I don't think I have permission to post |
| 16:08.25 | msiism | pm... |
| 16:10.57 | KatolaZ | ejr: are you mixing repos? |
| 16:16.31 | ejr | no, i have jessie-main, jessie-updates and jessie-security in my sources.list, and the respective deb-src |
| 16:17.05 | ejr | KatolaZ |
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| 17:13.34 | _abc_ | Hi. I use persistence with usb sticks a lot now, with devuan. Usually I have / overlay in persistence.conf. This places a lot of things on the stick, which should not be there, such as /tmp/ /var/{certain_things} etc. Please suggest a howto or example on how to fix this. It is acceptable to lose logs between reboots etc. If not, I can symlink logs to something persistent after booting. |
| 17:17.26 | fsmithred | _abc_, have you looked at man persistence.conf? I think you can get more fine-grained than just having all of / persistent. |
| 17:17.53 | _abc_ | I can but I need a guide. I can tweak it anyway, just asking if there is collective wisdom in this direction. |
| 17:18.20 | fsmithred | I've never heard anyone talking about that stuff |
| 17:18.28 | _abc_ | Also, I would like to not start from scratch, but edit the unmounted persistence volume to re-use what is now lumped under / overlay to /$manypoints overlay |
| 17:18.41 | _abc_ | Okay, let's see if someone else comes up with a solution |
| 17:19.09 | _abc_ | In particular, one really wants to move firefox's cache dirs and all it's index files out of the stick onto much faster writable media. |
| 17:19.56 | fsmithred | you want to keep it, or not? |
| 17:20.18 | _abc_ | I do not need to keep it. But the cache and indexing is dog slow from stick |
| 17:20.27 | fsmithred | I don't know if symlinking stuff to /dev/null would work, but might be worth a try |
| 17:20.44 | _abc_ | So I'm going to do some copy-out-and-symlink script in the firefox startup, with optional copy back in on shutdown |
| 17:21.00 | _abc_ | Not to dev/null but to ramfs based file storage |
| 17:21.21 | _abc_ | lsof executed on the running fox is very helpful in finding what needs to be moved |
| 17:21.26 | _abc_ | There could be other thing |
| 17:21.30 | _abc_ | s which need moving |
| 17:23.41 | fsmithred | I think you could just set up the dirs you want to persist in persistence.conf and leave out the ones you don't want. |
| 17:23.53 | fsmithred | one line per dir |
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| 17:24.40 | _abc_ | Yes but it gets to leaf mounting quickly. |
| 17:24.52 | _abc_ | Eg firefox's profile and indices are in the user's ~ |
| 17:25.14 | _abc_ | The user's ~ will certainly be extracted and overlay or literally mounted on the persistent volume |
| 17:25.45 | _abc_ | The ff's junk dirs have to be symlinked out of there, probably by a moz startup / shutdown script |
| 17:26.04 | fsmithred | why do you want to do this? |
| 17:26.04 | _abc_ | There used to be an init.d style start/stop script dir in ff, long time ago |
| 17:26.30 | _abc_ | fsmithred: because the indexing is unceasing and hammers the stick, plus it slows down opening new sites to a molasses like speed |
| 17:27.08 | fsmithred | if you figure out how to fix that, I'll do it on my installed system. |
| 17:27.13 | _abc_ | Okay |
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| 17:27.32 | fsmithred | I can't believe how slow ff has gotten in the last 6-8 months |
| 17:28.19 | blop | that's why i want to build PM here |
| 17:28.19 | _abc_ | Btw poettering shot me in the back one more time. I have pulseaudio, alsa, and alsa-oss compat installed, when I use SIP all settings go to hell, xfce4-mixer has trouble interpreting the pulse to alsa exported mixer settings. I had to manually edit alsa.conf and ensure it gets reloaded |
| 17:28.30 | blop | but devuan ascii packages seem borked for gcc-arm |
| 17:28.35 | _abc_ | fsmithred: they are banking on people upgrading hardware at "Mountain View" pace |
| 17:28.44 | _abc_ | PM? |
| 17:29.02 | fsmithred | palemoon |
| 17:29.35 | _abc_ | SIP being a sip voip agent, linphone in this case, and not only. The problem is in xfce4-mixer but I half suspect it's due to the messy alsa+pulse device names |
| 17:29.41 | _abc_ | and attributes exported |
| 17:30.16 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I need to upgrade openscad to >=2014 version, the one in devuan is very old. Also some things I need are in jessie-backports. How does one add that to a running devuan jessie system? |
| 17:31.12 | fsmithred | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 17:31.22 | fsmithred | you could use pkgmaster instead of packages |
| 17:31.29 | fsmithred | apt-get update |
| 17:31.42 | fsmithred | apt-get -t jessie-backports install <packages> |
| 17:32.21 | fsmithred | to play it safe, you can comment out the backports line and update again after you have what you want |
| 17:34.42 | _abc_ | safe in what sense? I assume I need only the last one? Wait, deb above adds the repo to deb.conf ? |
| 17:35.14 | KatolaZ | _abc_: that;s a line to be added in your /ets/apt/sources/list |
| 17:35.18 | blop | should i dpkg -i these? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf |
| 17:35.24 | KatolaZ | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:35.27 | _abc_ | Ah yes. |
| 17:35.37 | KatolaZ | blop: what's the problem? |
| 17:35.54 | blop | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.57 | blop | in ascii |
| 17:36.20 | KatolaZ | blop: sources.list? |
| 17:36.26 | KatolaZ | which arch are you using? |
| 17:36.45 | blop | amd64, |
| 17:36.54 | blop | i'll upload sources.list |
| 17:37.12 | blop | http://0x0.st/sT9X.list |
| 17:37.33 | KatolaZ | blop: ????? |
| 17:37.54 | KatolaZ | that compiler is not for adm64, right? |
| 17:37.56 | fsmithred | sorry, I walked away for a couple minutes |
| 17:37.59 | blop | right |
| 17:38.03 | blop | i want to crosscompile |
| 17:39.07 | fsmithred | _abc_, safe in the sense that you won't accidentally install anything from backports |
| 17:39.11 | KatolaZ | blop: I tried to apt-get install it now |
| 17:39.13 | fsmithred | normally, that shouldn't happen |
| 17:39.13 | KatolaZ | and it works |
| 17:39.25 | blop | hm i am updated |
| 17:39.33 | blop | which version? |
| 17:39.35 | KatolaZ | blop: apt-get install -s gcc-6-arm-linux-gnueabihf |
| 17:39.50 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy gcc-6-arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 17:39.50 | KatolaZ | gcc-6-arm-linux-gnueabi: |
| 17:39.50 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.50 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.50 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.53 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.55 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.57 | fsmithred | back in a few minutes |
| 17:39.58 | KatolaZ | .... |
| 17:40.02 | blop | f gcc-6-arm-linux-gnueabihf : Depends: binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf (>= 2.28) but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:40.19 | KatolaZ | blop: apt-get install -s gcc-6-arm-linux-gnueabihf |
| 17:40.51 | blop | http://0x0.st/sT98.txt |
| 17:41.41 | KatolaZ | blop: you have some package from Ceres |
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| 17:41.55 | KatolaZ | or from another repo |
| 17:42.39 | KatolaZ | (I mean, some installed package) |
| 17:42.40 | blop | i have a few self-compiled things here |
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| 17:42.48 | blop | hm |
| 17:43.11 | KatolaZ | blop: dpkg -l | grep -i gcc |
| 17:43.13 | blop | maybe i can do a dpkg --get-selections to see which is causeing problem? |
| 17:43.15 | blop | ok |
| 17:43.37 | blop | http://0x0.st/sT9b.txt |
| 17:44.43 | KatolaZ | blop: very strange mate |
| 17:45.12 | blop | i installed with the experimental ascii livecd |
| 17:45.46 | KatolaZ | shouldn't matter |
| 17:46.02 | KatolaZ | dpkg -l | grep -i binutils |
| 17:46.16 | blop | binutils was a package he said was borked |
| 17:46.21 | blop | in his list |
| 17:46.29 | blop | cat broken_devuan_pkgs.txt |
| 17:46.29 | blop | binutils 2.28-6 now |
| 17:46.34 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf |
| 17:46.34 | KatolaZ | binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf: |
| 17:46.34 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.34 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.34 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.36 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.39 | KatolaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.47 | KatolaZ | it's in main |
| 17:47.04 | _abc_ | Why the heck does firefox process hold /home/devuan/.xsession-errors open?! Is that file multiple-written by various xclients? I think not?! |
| 17:47.06 | KatolaZ | and comes directly from Debian |
| 17:47.29 | blop | i have 2.28-500 |
| 17:47.40 | blop | 2.28-5 500 |
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| 17:47.59 | KatolaZ | it;s the sam e |
| 17:48.14 | blop | http://0x0.st/sT9A.txt |
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| 17:48.27 | blop | is what dpkg -l | grep -i binutils says |
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| 17:49.03 | KatolaZ | apt-get install binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf |
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| 17:49.22 | blop | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.26 | KatolaZ | (btw, it says you have held broken packages....) |
| 17:49.36 | KatolaZ | blop: apt-get -f instal |
| 17:49.39 | KatolaZ | blop: apt-get -f install |
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| 17:49.49 | blop | i did that yeah |
| 17:50.12 | blop | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
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| 17:50.19 | KatolaZ | blop: where didi you get the 2.28-6 one? |
| 17:50.37 | blop | don't know |
| 17:50.54 | blop | no .deb lying around for that |
| 17:52.20 | blop | should i purge binutils and reinstall? |
| 17:52.40 | KatolaZ | you can't remove binutils.... |
| 17:52.50 | blop | oh that figures |
| 17:53.11 | blop | i could apt-get install --reinstall ? |
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| 17:54.13 | KatolaZ | blop: I genuinely don't know where the 2.28-6 is coming from |
| 17:54.18 | KatolaZ | it's nowhere in Devuan |
| 17:54.38 | KatolaZ | blop: apt-get update |
| 17:54.41 | KatolaZ | and retry |
| 17:54.53 | KatolaZ | but it's pretty strange |
| 17:54.57 | KatolaZ | and I can't reproduce it |
| 17:55.50 | blop | ok ty |
| 18:01.14 | blop | could i grab the 2.28-5 .deb and dpkg -i it KatolaZ ? |
| 18:03.19 | blop | probably not the way to fix this |
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| 18:05.10 | KatolaZ | blop: just apt-get install binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf=2.28-5 |
| 18:05.40 | blop | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.07 | blop | i could do that with just binutils=2.28-5 ? |
| 18:06.15 | blop | apt-get install binutils=2.28-5 |
| 18:06.20 | blop | says "will be DOWNGRADED" |
| 18:06.32 | blop | which sounds like what we want |
| 18:10.46 | blop | i will do it |
| 18:12.26 | blop | fantastic, i'm up and running again |
| 18:12.32 | blop | ty KatolaZ i owe you |
| 18:15.11 | _abc_ | <warning disturbing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxQmOR_QLfQ |
| 18:15.29 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I did this by hand now, moved the entire profile into a tmpfs in ram |
| 18:15.36 | _abc_ | fsmithred: seems to be zippyer |
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| 18:17.20 | _abc_ | fsmithred: in 15" I'll post a url with my writeup. Not a script yet, did it by hand |
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| 18:23.20 | blop | i would like to help KatolaZ someday if i possibly can. |
| 18:31.40 | _abc_ | fsmithred: 86.121.72.97:8888/w for the writeup |
| 18:31.47 | _abc_ | fsmithred: it does seem to go faster now |
| 18:32.03 | _abc_ | fsmithred: go read the arch linux firefox speedup howto items, they are golden |
| 18:32.33 | _abc_ | fsmithred: bbl |
| 18:33.23 | _abc_ | ->chores, bbl |
| 18:33.56 | _abc_ | oh, u:none p:none -- actually write none and press enter |
| 18:36.12 | _abc_ | bbl really, chores. |
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| 18:48.55 | fsmithred | _abc_, thanks |
| 18:51.37 | Sleaker | is there an eta on ASCII? |
| 18:53.56 | Sleaker | oh found the forums, I can grok myself. |
| 18:55.45 | fsmithred | Sleaker, beta isos were released two days ago |
| 18:55.57 | Sleaker | yah I just saw |
| 19:00.21 | _abc_ | fsmithred: tell me how it works. I do not have enough ram to put the cache in tmpfs without swapping at this moment |
| 19:00.35 | _abc_ | fsmithred: step 2 is to make a primitive sh script which does all that |
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| 19:27.59 | _abc_ | ? |
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| 19:31.24 | fsmithred | _abc_, I haven't tried it yet |
| 19:31.36 | fsmithred | too many tabs open that I don't want to close yet |
| 19:33.59 | _abc_ | :) |
| 19:34.10 | _abc_ | fsmithred: a good time to run du -sk on the profile and cache dirs to see how much space you need |
| 19:34.19 | _abc_ | fsmithred: am writing the 1st script .sh version now, slowly |
| 19:34.26 | fsmithred | cool |
| 19:34.29 | fsmithred | I'm reading it |
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| 20:10.11 | _abc_ | You're reading the writeup, the script is not yet up fsmithred |
| 20:10.36 | Achylles | I have installed devuan and configured a bit in virtualbox. Is there a way to create a usb image (iso) with all my configs/addons. So that, I can carry it to install in other computers without the need to reconfigure everything again? I saw this tools, but it is only for debian and not for devuan. http://www.remastersys.org/ |
| 20:11.19 | golinux | Use refractasnapshot. It's in the repos |
| 20:11.52 | golinux | Achylles: ^^^ |
| 20:11.55 | Achylles | right. Any tutorial for that? |
| 20:12.25 | golinux | http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/documents.html |
| 20:12.57 | golinux | There should also be a readme in the pkg. |
| 20:13.46 | _abc_ | fsmithred: copy to from stick is dog slow. When creating the 'fast' caches. This is a problem. Suggest a way to accelerate the process? Stick speed is at least 2Mbytes/sec but copy takes much longer |
| 20:13.56 | golinux | Don't know whether the info on the site is up to date. |
| 20:14.05 | _abc_ | Should be ~30sec for 21MB, it is ten times that long |
| 20:14.15 | _abc_ | fsmithred: some block size settings on mounting perhaps? |
| 20:14.46 | _abc_ | Took 5 mintes to copy 130MB |
| 20:14.51 | _abc_ | *minutes |
| 20:14.55 | _abc_ | 5.5 |
| 20:17.45 | Achylles | golinux, great! The thing is already in my system |
| 20:24.23 | fsmithred | _abc_, I've noticed that some sticks are faster than others, and some seem to slow down over time. |
| 20:25.29 | fsmithred | On an old dual-core pentium laptop, my faster usb sticks seem to be about as fast as the 5400rpm hard drive |
| 20:26.13 | fsmithred | 5 min for 130MB does sound slow |
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| 20:28.40 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I have a usb 3.0 stick, it runs as slowly as any usb 2.0 but gets hot enough to worry about fingerprint removal |
| 20:28.50 | _abc_ | the port is 2.0 |
| 20:29.12 | _abc_ | the stick ditto. I would like to play with some mount block size options. How does one do that? |
| 20:29.32 | fsmithred | I don't know. Probably mount options |
| 20:30.08 | _abc_ | can one remount with a different block size? I think not, it would be risky? |
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| 20:30.18 | _abc_ | This is the persistent volume, remeber. |
| 20:30.22 | _abc_ | +m |
| 20:32.47 | fsmithred | muck around in some of the live-boot scripts, and you might see something interesting |
| 20:32.57 | _abc_ | fsmithred: bad news: can only be set at mke2fs time using -b |
| 20:32.57 | fsmithred | in /lib/live/boot |
| 20:33.23 | fsmithred | yeah, I'm not surprised |
| 20:33.52 | _abc_ | The next question is, how does one optimize this before committing a lot of time for a stick install |
| 20:34.21 | _abc_ | Answer probably make a toture script which formats the stick in various block sizes and measures speed. Sigh. |
| 20:34.29 | _abc_ | 100% hindsight is wonderful |
| 20:35.02 | _abc_ | took about 8 minutes to copy 150MB |
| 20:35.09 | fsmithred | you're way ahead of me. I'm still working on seeing how fast my usb write speed it. |
| 20:36.49 | fsmithred | 5MB/s |
| 20:39.00 | fsmithred | done |
| 20:39.16 | fsmithred | about 3 minutes to copy 1GB |
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| 20:40.18 | blop | i thought i got much better than that over usb2.0 |
| 20:42.08 | specing | very slow |
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| 20:47.23 | _abc_ | fsmithred: news: copying from stick to fast tmpfs the same data takes 7 seconds. I assume stick write is slow |
| 20:47.42 | fsmithred | wow |
| 20:48.00 | _abc_ | blop: some sticks are better than others. The one I am using is quite slow on write. It cost $7 and was bought for this purpose. Been trashing it for a month now |
| 20:48.05 | fsmithred | hey, I just thought of another way that might work for you |
| 20:48.12 | _abc_ | Just a sec |
| 20:48.29 | fsmithred | boot to ram |
| 20:48.45 | _abc_ | fsmithred: speedy gonzales! the fox is zippy again |
| 20:48.52 | fsmithred | cool |
| 20:49.04 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I do not have enough ram. I tried that, things worked, but when I ran out I crashed. |
| 20:49.06 | fsmithred | just the profile, or both profile and cache? |
| 20:49.09 | _abc_ | Slow and not crashing is good. |
| 20:49.14 | _abc_ | fsmithred: both |
| 20:49.30 | _abc_ | I assume 7secs used the fact that parts of the profile were in os cache already by then |
| 20:49.32 | fsmithred | I don't have enough ram to do both. ff is already maxing me out |
| 20:49.47 | _abc_ | Just a sec, I'll post the script in a while |
| 20:50.30 | _abc_ | And yes bookmarking is fast. It is known to slow down when you have >10k bookmarks |
| 20:51.27 | _abc_ | Absolutely nice speed now |
| 20:51.42 | _abc_ | fsmithred: turn on swap on something you have, like spinning disks |
| 20:51.53 | _abc_ | fsmithred: anything is faster than writing to usb sticks <2.0 |
| 20:57.12 | nemo | _abc_: yeah. USB unionfs linux having decent speed makes such a huuuuge difference |
| 20:57.29 | nemo | _abc_: my coworker's crappy stick couldn't even max out USB2 speeds - in a write test it was like 10x slower than max |
| 20:58.58 | nemo | _abc_: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZPUOTE/ I think he ended up buying this one |
| 20:59.17 | nemo | I'm pretty suspicious of buying flash anything on amazon these days, but hopefully SanDisk is a legit account |
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| 21:16.01 | _abc_ | SanDisk and others use multi level cells in flash now |
| 21:16.20 | _abc_ | Those require rewrite after a number of reads or adjacent row writes! |
| 21:16.31 | _abc_ | I stick to low end ones which are not that fancy |
| 21:16.57 | _abc_ | Also, these days, one cannot have too much ram. It's useful as disk! |
| 21:18.28 | _abc_ | fsmithred: want to test the script? 86.121.72.97:8888/w u:none p:none |
| 21:19.22 | fsmithred | will test later. Have to go out now. Thanks. |
| 21:19.33 | _abc_ | Copy the file, it is not a public server fsmithred |
| 21:20.05 | fsmithred | got it |
| 21:21.34 | minnesotags | I'm sad to say that many of the major tools I use (Ceph, Openstack, etc.) can't easily be kept current on Devuan due to systemd dependencies. Fucking pissed. Fucking Red Hat has won. |
| 21:22.01 | _abc_ | minnesotags: it has actually pissed off so many people they started switching away from it |
| 21:22.37 | _abc_ | minnesotags: you can be sure that "open" things which aren't will stick to the red hat borg mothership and diss people who are "not compatible" |
| 21:22.39 | minnesotags | Away from which? |
| 21:22.40 | _abc_ | It's about bread |
| 21:22.53 | _abc_ | minnesotags: ubuntu recently switched away from Wayland, see @ |
| 21:22.57 | _abc_ | there are other examples |
| 21:23.10 | _abc_ | They are making such a mess that it's impossible not to notice |
| 21:23.39 | minnesotags | They who? |
| 21:23.54 | minnesotags | They the Red Hat cabal? |
| 21:23.55 | _abc_ | 'agile' projects under the wing and blessing of rh |
| 21:24.07 | _abc_ | one of which is called system |
| 21:24.08 | _abc_ | d |
| 21:24.26 | minnesotags | Ceph was/is a remarkable tool. Really great. |
| 21:24.37 | _abc_ | never used it |
| 21:24.39 | minnesotags | But now almost unable to be installed. |
| 21:24.52 | minnesotags | Yeah, it was great |
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| 21:25.10 | _abc_ | barely know what it is, from kernel configs |
| 21:25.28 | _abc_ | oki, gone. Bye, will be back |
| 21:27.36 | vvande | Can someone explain why I'm seeing multiple logins on a Devuan system? |
| 21:27.51 | vvande | I type "who" and I'm seeing extra logins. |
| 21:27.58 | vvande | seems to be older processes not killed |
| 21:28.18 | vvande | for example I just lost connection and when I reconnected with ssh, the old one still showed |
| 21:28.50 | vvande | was pts/2 and now it's both pts2 and pts/3 |
| 21:35.40 | gnarface | vvande: it depends on how you lose the connection, but there's an option for ssh or sshd that will make it kill those quicker |
| 21:36.11 | gnarface | i think it's expected you would address the network stability issue instead |
| 21:36.26 | vvande | hey |
| 21:36.38 | specing | nemo | I'm pretty suspicious of buying flash anything on amazon these days, but hopefully SanDisk is a legit account |
| 21:36.57 | vvande | thanks, yeah the network stability might not be an issue - just wireless weakness at that position |
| 21:37.04 | specing | nemo: Amazon charges less of a fee if they can bundle same products together, even if they are from multiple sellers |
| 21:37.27 | specing | nemo: meaning you can get fakes even if the seller is legit |
| 21:37.37 | specing | nemo: if shipping is handled by amazon, that is |
| 21:37.40 | nemo | specing: ah... all I know is I trust the supply chain of Staples or Best Buy a lot more than amazon, and since SD cards can be had pretty reasonably there, that's where I normally grab them |
| 21:37.50 | nemo | I'm not so sure about walmart, but I did buy one there recently |
| 21:38.22 | vvande | Newegg is good too. |
| 21:38.26 | nemo | vvande: oh for sure |
| 21:38.48 | nemo | vvande: although their marketplace has same issue as amazon, although at least they seem more up front about when you are relying on a "marketplace" account |
| 21:39.36 | nemo | best buy online does same thing too. last time I messed up and bought my first note 4 there. my replacement I got on ebay - it had issues, but nothing I didn't expect |
| 21:39.37 | vvande | yeah, I stopped trusting their "marketplace" and only get directly from them |
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| 21:40.00 | nemo | w/ ebay I basically assume any seller who says "new" is lying |
| 21:40.06 | nemo | sticking w/ that just saves me sadness later |
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| 21:46.45 | blop | is it new if I turned it on and tested it? |
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| 23:13.30 | fsmithred | Can I resize logical volumes in the middle of an install? Software selection failed when root volume ran out of space. |
| 23:13.48 | fsmithred | unmount-resize-remount and continue? |
| 23:14.46 | gnarface | should work, just beware of that ugly gotcha with ext4 corrupting when the e2fsprogs version doesn't match |
| 23:15.08 | gnarface | (i'm sure that ruins 100 raspbian users' days every day) |
| 23:16.11 | fsmithred | that's only on the arm images, isn't it? |
| 23:16.32 | fsmithred | can I do this without unmounting? |
| 23:16.55 | gnarface | as far as i know it will affect any platform, it just hits raspbian users the most because that resize step is a normal part of their installer |
| 23:17.01 | gnarface | their install process* |
| 23:17.18 | gnarface | as far as i know, only xfs can be resized while mounted. i could be wrong |
| 23:17.31 | gnarface | (and it can only be expanded, not shrank) |
| 23:17.45 | fsmithred | ok, unmount |
| 23:17.47 | gnarface | (i think)( |
| 23:18.10 | gnarface | xfs and reiserfs resize almost instantaneously |
| 23:18.15 | fsmithred | I was told you can resize lvm while the system is running, but maybe that's only by adding a new pv |
| 23:18.19 | gnarface | ext4 will resize at about the speed of a badblocks pass |
| 23:18.37 | fsmithred | I've done a resize of lvm once before |
| 23:18.45 | fsmithred | it was a nail-biting experience |
| 23:19.02 | gnarface | oh, i know very little about LVM, all my information is based on experience doing this stuff without it |
| 23:19.04 | fsmithred | this is a test install, so nothing to lose but my time |
| 23:19.32 | gnarface | i think LVM can also transparently join two volumes so you don't strictly have to resize either |
| 23:19.50 | gnarface | minimal overhead |
| 23:20.29 | gnarface | i have no idea what type of havoc that would wreck on block-alignment issues in RAID arrays |
| 23:20.46 | gnarface | or just using LVM at all really |
| 23:37.25 | fsmithred | hot damn, I think it worked! |
| 23:40.47 | gnarface | lvm resize? |
| 23:47.14 | fsmithred | yeah, the resize seems to have worked, but the installer is still failing |
| 23:47.41 | gnarface | hmm |
| 23:47.52 | gnarface | it's not doing that lazy init crap is it? |
| 23:47.53 | fsmithred | this install has taken 10 hours so far |
| 23:48.20 | fsmithred | no, I tried bypassing the software bit and just installing grub, but that failed, too |
| 23:48.37 | fsmithred | already got 2.6G used in the root volume, so that should be enough to run |
| 23:49.44 | fsmithred | I need to figure out a way to get virtualbox to not be so slow. The downloading is normal, but unpacking and configuring packages takes forever |
| 23:50.24 | fsmithred | normally a couple of hours to install. I haven't been present continuously, so that's why it's been all day. |
| 23:51.16 | gnarface | well i can't help with that in virtualbox |
| 23:51.30 | gnarface | kvm it's really simple though; static disk image small enough to fit in physical memory |
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