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| 00:35.48 | jonadab | Oh, hmm, I should figure out which computer I'm going to try ascii on. |
| 00:36.14 | jonadab | Which one first, I mean. |
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| 00:55.10 | g4570n | I see this in Readme file for devuan ascii beta "CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that installs |
| 00:55.19 | g4570n | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.41 | KatolaZ | g4570n: yes |
| 00:57.02 | g4570n | KatolaZ: where can you see the list of tools that are installed? |
| 00:57.25 | KatolaZ | a rough approximation is the list of packages you have in the minimal live |
| 00:57.28 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 00:57.35 | KatolaZ | http://kalos.mine.nu |
| 00:57.57 | KatolaZ | there are a few additions since jessie, but you get the idea |
| 00:58.31 | g4570n | Thank you :-) |
| 00:58.35 | KatolaZ | yw |
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| 01:27.20 | zyliwax | follow up to my issue, keyboard(5) made it seem as though it would be promising to define the KMAP variable in a form appropriate for loadkeys, but the variable's value isn't being acknowledged after a reboot :/ even using the same string with loadkeys works, so something's dropping the ball -- work on this again when i'm not so tired... |
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| 02:38.59 | minnesotags1 | Um. There appears to be the major slows on getting headers from the us.mirrors. Anybody else experiencing that? |
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| 02:47.21 | gnarface | never worked for me at all |
| 02:47.42 | gnarface | not even sure the dns records are valid |
| 02:47.51 | gnarface | auto.mirror works though |
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| 06:05.03 | vvande | anybody here who can help me with groups and permissions? |
| 06:05.28 | vvande | I deleted my account on a laptop, and it seems the other account isn't doing what I expected. |
| 06:05.48 | vvande | I added it to the udev group, but I think there is more that needs to be done in this case. |
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| 09:03.28 | gnu_srs | The news about ASCII is already out: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Devuan-2.0-Beta |
| 09:05.19 | blop | yay |
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| 09:27.53 | l41f3n | yay :) |
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| 09:53.05 | davec1 | Is there a torrent for ASCII?? |
| 09:54.09 | KatolaZ | no davec1 |
| 09:54.14 | KatolaZ | no torrents for a beta |
| 10:03.12 | davec1 | Well, when there's a torrent, I'll mirror it. |
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| 10:40.58 | coyote | contatulations! |
| 10:41.04 | coyote | congratulations* |
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| 14:57.42 | FlibberTGibbet | hats off to everyone responsible for the ascii beta! |
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| 16:27.42 | enyc | pleased to see the annoying-niggles i made a fuss about wrt disk/"usb"-mounting etc has been thought about posted in maliings etc... |
| 16:28.02 | enyc | If anybody can test the mounting of crypted volumes 'graphigally' that would be nice. |
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| 17:17.30 | Nematocyst | problem: after dist-upgrade to ascii, xfce (and other desktops) when click reboot/shutdown on logout dialog, just returns me to slim instead of what they are supposed to. i *think* this is related to me upgrading libpolkit-gobject-1-0 and libpolkit-agent-1-0 when they were held back. if I try to install them now, it wants to remove cinnamon and all related files (dozens). any sane way to fix this issue? again, the only symptom is unable |
| 17:17.30 | Nematocyst | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:30.36 | Achylles | I think there is something wrong with devuan servers for downloading ascii images. |
| 18:30.51 | Achylles | It is very slow to pull them here |
| 18:31.21 | Achylles | I went to debian.isos just to test and it is going quickly |
| 18:32.02 | Achylles | I have tried all kinds of images and a .vdi, but all of them are slow. |
| 18:32.36 | Achylles | I thought that it was my internet connection, but it turns out not to be... |
| 18:32.47 | Achylles | Any thoughts? |
| 18:33.29 | Achylles | I tried with wget and firefox and the slowness are the same. |
| 18:33.55 | g4570n | try mirrors? |
| 18:34.24 | g4570n | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii_beta |
| 18:36.24 | Achylles | Thx a lot. Now it is the thing :) |
| 18:37.03 | Achylles | But, the official channel, I think, have to be fixed. |
| 18:38.37 | g4570n | I guess there are too many people trying to download from there. The server does not have unlimited capacity |
| 18:39.40 | Achylles | Could be put in torrents |
| 18:39.45 | Achylles | perhaps. |
| 18:43.14 | specing | Achylles:devuan images are on torrents |
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| 18:46.08 | Achylles | Ok. Where are the links in the official devuan page? |
| 18:48.30 | Irrwahn | There are (and will be) no torrents for the beta, sorry! |
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| 18:53.18 | Achylles | ok |
| 18:53.40 | Achylles | I was looking for that. |
| 18:54.05 | KatolaZ | Achylles: you should try one of the mirrors |
| 18:54.25 | Achylles | I am downloading... |
| 18:54.27 | Achylles | thx |
| 18:54.31 | KatolaZ | np |
| 18:54.53 | KatolaZ | sorry but apparently ascii is much more popular than we anticipated |
| 18:54.57 | KatolaZ | working on that] |
| 18:55.08 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:55.17 | Achylles | is there a way to upgrade from jessie to ascii |
| 18:55.42 | Achylles | I have jessie installed and configured |
| 18:55.52 | Achylles | but, downloading ascii |
| 18:55.53 | golinux | <KatolaZ> sorry but apparently ascii is much more popular than we anticipated |
| 18:56.05 | golinux | Isn't that a good thing?! |
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| 18:56.47 | Achylles | perhaps changing sources.list and such |
| 18:57.05 | g4570n | Achylles: Yes, https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/README.txt |
| 18:57.38 | KatolaZ | golinux: it's not a good thing if you are trying to download it |
| 18:57.40 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:58.09 | KatolaZ | Achylles: are you already on devuan jessie? |
| 18:58.21 | Achylles | nope |
| 18:58.24 | KatolaZ | if yes, you can upgrade, no need to reinstall |
| 18:58.29 | Achylles | I will be |
| 18:58.29 | KatolaZ | (or debian) |
| 18:58.40 | Achylles | ok |
| 18:59.04 | Achylles | Reading do docs ==> https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii |
| 18:59.26 | KatolaZ | oki |
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| 18:59.30 | golinux | KatolaZ: Tell me about it. I tried last night and it was going to take a day. |
| 18:59.56 | KatolaZ | golinux: just be patient |
| 19:00.09 | KatolaZ | at the moment the best thing to do is to leave bandwidth to mirrors |
| 19:00.17 | KatolaZ | and wait for them to be updated |
| 19:01.46 | Achylles | Anyways, I am download the live.iso CD1. Will it be enough or I have to download CD2 and CD3 as well? |
| 19:02.44 | g4570n | only if you are going to install offline, you need the other CDs I think |
| 19:02.49 | KatolaZ | Achylles: cd1 is sufficient for a minimal system |
| 19:03.00 | Achylles | ok. |
| 19:04.11 | KatolaZ | from there you can download the rest through the package manager |
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| 19:17.53 | KatolaZ | http://katolaz.homeunix.net/tmp/ascii_beta_release.png |
| 19:18.08 | KatolaZ | that's the ascii beta release fom our servers |
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| 19:27.52 | g4570n | wow |
| 19:32.34 | Irrwahn | KatolaZ: Thanks, now I know what causes that mysterious red glow in the southern night sky. ;-D |
| 19:32.45 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 19:32.55 | KatolaZ | sending an email on DNG |
| 19:32.56 | KatolaZ | to explain |
| 19:33.16 | Irrwahn | Good idea! |
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| 19:47.48 | golinux | That's fantastic! We're gonna take over the world!! |
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| 19:54.05 | KatolaZ | no golinux, we won't :D |
| 19:57.37 | KatolaZ | email sent |
| 19:58.21 | KatolaZ | http://katolaz.homeunix.net/tmp/ascii_beta_release.png |
| 19:58.33 | KatolaZ | this is the MRTG on one of our file servers |
| 19:58.42 | KatolaZ | oh sorry |
| 19:58.47 | KatolaZ | I had already sent it here |
| 19:58.54 | KatolaZ | *_* |
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| 21:40.07 | devuan | hi |
| 21:41.47 | KatolaZ | hi devuan |
| 21:42.02 | KatolaZ | how are you feeling today? |
| 21:42.04 | devuan | hi KatolaZ |
| 21:42.04 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 21:42.08 | devuan | hihi |
| 21:42.29 | devuan | Well, for a start. I forgot to change my nick |
| 21:42.35 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 21:42.44 | Egone | that's better |
| 21:43.03 | Egone | would you believe I'm a linux user since 1998 |
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| 21:44.00 | KatolaZ | thought he was really speaking with the spirit of Devuan.... |
| 21:44.21 | ejr | Egone: and a devuan user since day 1? ;D |
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| 21:45.03 | Egone | Well, this is really a fine distro |
| 21:45.53 | Egone | I've been trying distro's since 1998 and I must admit that this is quite something |
| 21:46.20 | Egone | hi KatolaZ |
| 21:46.38 | ejr | yeah, i have also been using several distros over the past ten years... most of the time debian or ubuntu, but now I will most likely stick with devuan as long as it keeps being this comfy |
| 21:46.53 | Egone | hi ejr |
| 21:47.17 | ejr | plus for (former) debian users there is not much difference in the way things work (or used to work, in debian) |
| 21:47.21 | ejr | hi Egone |
| 21:47.45 | Egone | I was and still am a firm believer of Peppermint linux, but installed the beta of devuan today and I am impressed |
| 21:48.03 | Egone | and an Arch lover as well |
| 21:48.27 | Egone | but Devuan is (as to be expected) very stable |
| 21:48.56 | Egone | Italian in origin? |
| 21:49.27 | ejr | me, or devuan? |
| 21:49.37 | Egone | ejr: you're right. And I do not miss systemd! |
| 21:49.42 | KatolaZ | Egone: Devuan is an international effort |
| 21:50.08 | Egone | ejr: devuan, sorry. Is it an Italian creation? |
| 21:50.16 | Egone | KatolaZ: ok, sorry |
| 21:50.21 | KatolaZ | np |
| 21:51.17 | ejr | i think most distros these days are more or less international, with a few exceptions that are usually some national government/institutional project for specific purposes |
| 21:51.23 | Egone | Well, I've tried so many OS'es. From linux to pure unix (freebsd, Solaris) over the years and this fork really catches my attention and admiration |
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| 21:51.51 | KatolaZ | good for you Egone :) |
| 21:52.19 | Egone | KatolaZ: The endless quest for the 'perfect' system hi |
| 21:52.29 | Drugo | if i select cinnamon in ascii, the installation fails |
| 21:52.34 | KatolaZ | the perfect system is the one that works fine for you |
| 21:52.40 | KatolaZ | Drugo: offline? |
| 21:52.49 | KatolaZ | Drugo: or with a net connection? |
| 21:52.54 | KatolaZ | (I guess it's the former) |
| 21:53.20 | KatolaZ | Drugo: it is known to work seamlessly if you have a network connection and a configured mirror |
| 21:53.29 | KatolaZ | (if you install from scratch) |
| 21:53.31 | Drugo | KatolaZ, with a net connection but the installer failed to configure apt repositories |
| 21:53.40 | KatolaZ | Drugo: uh? |
| 21:53.44 | Egone | KatolaZ: I did a little stresstest on Devian. I copied a 5T drive to external USBdrive on ZFS (compressed with LZ4). No probs. Ran for 9 hours on a Xeon 12 core. |
| 21:53.59 | KatolaZ | Drugo: please report install medium |
| 21:54.23 | Drugo | KatolaZ, devuan_ascii_2.0.0-beta_amd64_DVD.iso |
| 21:55.36 | Egone | This OS should quickly climb the ladder on distrowatch. I wish it would. |
| 21:55.54 | Egone | So fast! |
| 21:56.35 | Egone | and the copy to ram option is a nice little extra in the boot options! |
| 21:57.54 | KatolaZ | Egone: which medium are you using? |
| 21:58.05 | ejr | i reckon once the official ascii release is out, even more will change to devuan as they see it's not a fruitless fork |
| 21:58.44 | KatolaZ | ehehehhe |
| 21:58.54 | KatolaZ | they need 3 years and two releases? |
| 21:58.55 | KatolaZ | :D |
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| 22:01.48 | Egone | KatolaZ: I download the beta iso from the site 64 bit |
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| 22:02.30 | Egone | KatolaZ: the ascii |
| 22:02.53 | KatolaZ | Egone: which one? |
| 22:02.59 | KatolaZ | install CD? |
| 22:03.01 | KatolaZ | DVD? |
| 22:03.03 | KatolaZ | NETINST? |
| 22:03.05 | KatolaZ | live? |
| 22:03.09 | KatolaZ | minimal live? |
| 22:03.10 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:03.43 | Egone | KatolaZ: the live |
| 22:03.46 | KatolaZ | oki |
| 22:04.07 | Egone | KatolaZ: what is the diff between the ascii and non-ascii (systemd?) |
| 22:04.13 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 22:04.18 | KatolaZ | which non-ascii? |
| 22:04.27 | KatolaZ | there is no systemd in devuan |
| 22:05.03 | Egone | I thaught so, but you have the ascii and the jessie |
| 22:05.09 | Egone | just a codename? |
| 22:05.23 | Egone | thought, I meant |
| 22:05.33 | ejr | jessie is stable, but older |
| 22:06.28 | Egone | ejr: thx |
| 22:07.02 | Egone | I'm on 4.9 kernel now. |
| 22:07.25 | Egone | Rock solid I guess |
| 22:07.34 | KatolaZ | Egone: jessie merges Debian Jessie |
| 22:07.36 | ejr | i am running ascii on my thinkpad t42, but on my thinkpad x60 there are some issues with ascii due to libreboot most likely... so i am using jessie there |
| 22:07.45 | KatolaZ | ASCII merges Debian Stretch |
| 22:07.57 | KatolaZ | Beowulf will merge Debian Buster |
| 22:08.54 | Egone | KatolaZ: thx, now I see said the blind man. |
| 22:09.08 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:09.57 | Egone | So this morning, I compiled the latest ZFS to a module and it was so stable! 9 hours of hard work copying and compressing...flawlesly |
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| 22:10.25 | KatolaZ | Egone: there are zfs modules in ascii as well |
| 22:10.38 | KatolaZ | with initscripts |
| 22:10.50 | KatolaZ | we still need to iron out a couple of details there |
| 22:11.00 | KatolaZ | but they should be in the repo soonish |
| 22:12.17 | Egone | KatolaZ: I know, but just not recent enough for my pools |
| 22:12.32 | Egone | I always compile the latest dkms |
| 22:13.03 | KatolaZ | Egone: 0.7.x, I guess |
| 22:13.14 | KatolaZ | those are in ascii-proposed, IIRC |
| 22:13.17 | Drugo | KatolaZ, Now installation is finished (with xfce:(). the installer had commented out the lines relative to the apt repositories. I uncommented them but when i apt-get update, i get this https://pastebin.com/HpC8j5bA |
| 22:13.47 | KatolaZ | oh no Egone, they are in ascii-backports |
| 22:14.11 | KatolaZ | Drugo: very strange |
| 22:14.27 | KatolaZ | that image had been tried with all the possible combinations of desktops |
| 22:14.28 | Egone | KatolaZ: aha, well thank you very much |
| 22:14.42 | KatolaZ | there are glitches, but not related to apt repos |
| 22:14.58 | KatolaZ | Drugo: can you reproduce it, by any chance? |
| 22:15.00 | Egone | is gnome 3 coming to the final release? |
| 22:15.19 | KatolaZ | (well, it should be reported to bugs.devuan.org, I guess, so that other people could try to reproduce it <- Drugo ) |
| 22:15.26 | KatolaZ | Egone: don't think so |
| 22:15.30 | Drugo | KatolaZ, what you mean? Installing it again? |
| 22:15.57 | KatolaZ | Drugo: sorry, dunno if you are using a vm or bare metal |
| 22:16.08 | KatolaZ | Drugo: did not intend to overload you |
| 22:16.13 | KatolaZ | but any feedback is useful |
| 22:16.22 | KatolaZ | so please report the problem on bugs.devuan.org |
| 22:16.23 | Drugo | vm, kvm |
| 22:16.27 | KatolaZ | oki |
| 22:16.33 | Drugo | i don't have an account |
| 22:16.41 | KatolaZ | Drugo: don't need one |
| 22:16.44 | KatolaZ | just use reportbug |
| 22:16.45 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 22:16.53 | KatolaZ | Drugo: it works via email |
| 22:29.59 | vvande | I'm having wireless network problems on Jessie: "Not authorized to control networking" |
| 22:30.34 | blop | sudo make me a sandwich |
| 22:30.38 | vvande | I just changed from xfce to kde - so perhaps network manager is diferent |
| 22:30.54 | vvande | no sudo in GUI lol |
| 22:33.18 | Egone | bye to all of you and much admiration for the hard work on this distro!!! |
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| 22:43.01 | blop | KDE: "We make it easier for things to not work." |
| 22:43.21 | vvande | you can say that again |
| 22:43.36 | vvande | years ago we used to advise people to unistall network manager |
| 22:43.43 | vvande | seems to still be a good idea |
| 22:44.07 | vvande | however, this machine is not for me and needs to be operated from the KDE GUI |
| 22:46.31 | blop | ascii freed me from siduction |
| 22:47.23 | gnarface | does wicd not work with kde? |
| 22:49.49 | vvande | gnarface, it's networkmanager |
| 22:50.28 | blop | erhaps wicd would work for you |
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| 22:50.41 | vvande | it has to work on KDE |
| 22:50.55 | vvande | (this is not for me) |
| 22:51.12 | vvande | I don't use laptops normally, so I'm quite out of my comfort zone here. |
| 22:52.00 | vvande | I think the problem came from one of two things. I changed from xfce to KDE, and I deleted original user |
| 22:52.29 | vvande | however I think I have groups set correctly - using netdev, which I think is all that is needed |
| 22:52.54 | vvande | so I think it's from the xfce to kde swithch that something got discombobulated |
| 22:53.43 | vvande | I'll ask on the KDE channel. I just wanted to avoid all the systemd comments that I'm anticipating there. |
| 22:54.42 | gnarface | i was just wondering if wicd could be changed to networkmanager in kde, but i don't actually use either |
| 22:54.58 | gnarface | er, the other way around, if networkmanager could be changed to wicd, i meant |
| 22:55.02 | vvande | ah, ok that 's a good idea, but I don['t think so |
| 22:59.28 | blop | if you install dependencies, gtk stuff works in kde too |
| 23:02.54 | vvande | yes |
| 23:03.25 | vvande | this did work once or twice, just not any more |
| 23:04.27 | vvande | I think it was buggy because the user wasn't a member of correct groups. I fixed that now: user, netdev |
| 23:04.41 | vvande | (and audio, video, plugdev) |
| 23:05.25 | vvande | not sure what could be wrong with that - (oh, just remembered, I added the user to sudo as well, althugh that's not used here) |
| 23:07.08 | blop | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWAAkWsVwAEaZzK.jpg This has happened to me :D |
| 23:07.11 | vvande | funny, the NetworkManager readme just says that if there's a problem it's a driver |
| 23:07.17 | vvande | looks |
| 23:07.44 | vvande | lol |
| 23:07.49 | vvande | yeah, I wish |
| 23:08.05 | vvande | I'm more comfortable on the terminal too. But here we are in KDE land. |
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| 23:32.53 | blop | i'm sure the kde or kubuntu folks would have better advice vvande |
| 23:33.07 | vvande | blop, thanks :) |
| 23:33.30 | vvande | So guess what .... it connected by itself while I was gone. |
| 23:33.56 | vvande | this has happened earlier too. but then it's back to refusing |
| 23:33.57 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 23:34.05 | gnarface | move closer to the wifi router |
| 23:34.10 | vvande | I have been restarting after my changes. |
| 23:34.29 | vvande | yes, but the connection seems solid - |
| 23:34.39 | vvande | and why would it say "dont have permission? |
| 23:34.52 | vvande | it's all just too strange |
| 23:35.04 | gnarface | definitely weird |
| 23:35.07 | vvande | ya |
| 23:35.21 | vvande | I'll gladly take responsibility though |
| 23:35.26 | vvande | weird R us |
| 23:35.30 | vvande | :( |
| 23:37.11 | vvande | The only thing I can think of is that there's something cached. So that will eventurlly clear I guess. |
| 23:37.48 | vvande | The other thing from before, is that in the connections list, it says something like never connected before under the one I'm using. |
| 23:38.03 | vvande | making me think permissions as well, since it's not keeping that info |
| 23:38.49 | vvande | Anyway, if this doesn't stay good, I'm going to plug it into ethernet and reinstall some things. |
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| 23:42.10 | gnarface | wait a minute... |
| 23:42.16 | gnarface | vvande this is starting to sound really suspicious |
| 23:42.30 | vvande | yes, I'm back |
| 23:42.53 | gnarface | you'd better log into your router with a physical cable, change it's password AND the wifi password then implement mac address whitelisting |
| 23:43.16 | gnarface | "The other thing from before, is that in the connections list, it says something like never connected before under the one I'm using." < sounds like MITM attack. |
| 23:43.27 | vvande | ok |
| 23:43.33 | gnarface | like someone is spoofing your router |
| 23:43.38 | gnarface | trying to hijack your auth |
| 23:43.48 | gnarface | this is frighteningly easy to do just by using the same SSID |
| 23:43.49 | vvande | very interesting |
| 23:43.57 | gnarface | that would actually explain the random drops too |
| 23:44.12 | gnarface | when the signal strength was otherwise strong - that could be it jumping from one router to the other |
| 23:44.13 | vvande | there will be nobody local to do that - I'm in a vary small place |
| 23:44.29 | gnarface | wifi is not secure, you have to take extra steps |
| 23:44.59 | vvande | yeah, but only a few hilbillies around here |
| 23:45.14 | vvande | not to say your advice is bad, just sayin :) |
| 23:45.33 | gnarface | with the right antenna and clear line-of-sight they could be anywhere within 2 kilometers radius of yuou |
| 23:45.54 | vvande | I'm in the mountains. no city for about 300 miles lol |
| 23:45.58 | gnarface | you're right though, usually someone trying this attack is on the same block, or even in the same building |
| 23:46.28 | gnarface | is it possible you set up two routers on your own with the same SSID then forgot about one? |
| 23:46.29 | vvande | but suggesting my router is good - it has been a bit funny lately |
| 23:46.44 | vvande | now you're talking ... |
| 23:46.45 | vvande | hmmm |
| 23:47.07 | vvande | I have a lot of shit here - perhaps to much _actual_ shit lol |
| 23:47.56 | vvande | no, won't be SSID - I keep a list of those and in this case the laptop is bound to an IP with mac address |
| 23:48.19 | vvande | I've been checking the connections to the router. and it all looks good there |
| 23:49.06 | vvande | I mentioned IPv6 the other day. That's suspect here. |
| 23:49.55 | vvande | don't know if it was from you, but there was advice on how to turn off ipv6 on tht laptop. I'm going to try that. |
| 23:50.49 | vvande | I have a feeling that the current trend toward ipv6 preference is screwing things up. The HE tunnel in the router works just fine it seems, but perhps with the SSID etc, there's an issue locally. |
| 23:53.46 | golinux | Has ipv6 ever NOT screwed things up? |
| 23:53.59 | vvande | yeah |
| 23:55.00 | vvande | I was chatting on a forum where there's a guy with unusually good DNS skills, and he was not using IPv6 until it got better/fixed lol |
