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| 00:07.09 | brabo | hm a friend asked me about where to find iso for ascii or ceres. seems hard? |
| 00:07.56 | brabo | looking myself i do not see straightaway where to find those |
| 00:08.59 | KatolaZ | brabo: ascii has not been released yet |
| 00:09.04 | KatolaZ | so there are no isos available |
| 00:12.26 | brabo | KatolaZ: oki |
| 00:12.28 | brabo | thanks :) |
| 00:12.48 | KatolaZ | np |
| 00:13.07 | gnarface | well someone has made some certainly |
| 00:13.12 | gnarface | there are just no official isos |
| 00:13.21 | gnarface | the recommended approach is to upgrade from jessie |
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| 00:22.10 | AlexLikeRock_ | i have this exactly problem |
| 00:22.12 | AlexLikeRock_ | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1669040 |
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| 00:29.52 | brabo | AlexLikeRock_: lvm partition? can you give some more background? |
| 00:30.43 | AlexLikeRock_ | hi |
| 00:32.13 | AlexLikeRock_ | brabo, https://paste.debian.net/1009690/ |
| 00:32.55 | brabo | so you have a lvm with disk encryption? |
| 00:33.04 | AlexLikeRock_ | yes |
| 00:33.23 | brabo | is this from the shell you got dropped into? |
| 00:33.46 | brabo | and how did you get to this situation? did you do a new install, or.. |
| 00:33.48 | AlexLikeRock_ | DROPPING to Shell (initrams) |
| 00:34.04 | AlexLikeRock_ | old, |
| 00:34.14 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.40 | AlexLikeRock_ | remplace kernel.... error Hdd .... i dont remenber |
| 00:34.43 | brabo | well, this kind of thing i especially had when initramfs does not include cryptsetup |
| 00:34.52 | AlexLikeRock_ | cool |
| 00:34.56 | brabo | then it fails to even try to decrypt the volume and gives up |
| 00:34.58 | AlexLikeRock_ | wait . |
| 00:35.00 | AlexLikeRock_ | wait |
| 00:35.03 | AlexLikeRock_ | i do this : |
| 00:35.06 | brabo | but it doesn't just happen |
| 00:35.30 | AlexLikeRock_ | http://alexlikerock.blogspot.mx/2018/02/recuperar-booteo-lvm-luks.html |
| 00:35.37 | brabo | i have it when doing a minimal install and then i have to include cryptsetup myself in the initram config and regenrate initramfs |
| 00:35.47 | AlexLikeRock_ | i recomplie update-tranms |
| 00:36.19 | AlexLikeRock_ | i make it , but now , they say : NOT FOUND GROUP--LVM-xxxx |
| 00:36.44 | brabo | well, the devuan netinist at least has a rescue mode, you can boot that, rescue mode, decrypt the disk, setup networking, and drop to a shell in it |
| 00:37.00 | AlexLikeRock_ | i hace a second particion |
| 00:37.04 | AlexLikeRock_ | i make CHROOT |
| 00:37.12 | AlexLikeRock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.14 | AlexLikeRock_ | tellme |
| 00:38.29 | AlexLikeRock_ | OOOOpppps ! , time to eat, i will back 30 mins |
| 00:40.06 | brabo | hm your blogpost shows a lot more recent kernel version than i am using.. on my system still works with /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
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| 01:06.26 | HalfMadDad | Hi Everyone |
| 01:06.39 | HalfMadDad | Is there a Debian to Devuan guide? |
| 01:06.52 | HalfMadDad | Is it pretty much just a rename of apt |
| 01:07.07 | HalfMadDad | or are there are lot of changes that a user needs to know about ? |
| 01:08.07 | brabo | HalfMadDad: as far as i understand it is a meta distribution of debian, but without systemd tied into anything, allowing full freedom of choice of which init system you want to use |
| 01:08.19 | HalfMadDad | hi brabo |
| 01:08.55 | brabo | but.. just a user here ;) |
| 01:09.58 | g4570n | HalfMadDad: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ |
| 01:10.13 | HalfMadDad | hi g4570n |
| 01:10.15 | HalfMadDad | thanks |
| 01:10.33 | HalfMadDad | actually my daugher needs me, have to run.... |
| 01:10.35 | HalfMadDad | thanks again |
| 01:11.45 | brabo | take care! |
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| 01:20.45 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:59.17 | AlexLikeRock_ | brabo, |
| 01:59.20 | AlexLikeRock_ | hi im back |
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| 02:46.42 | AlexLikeRock_ | how to set up my partion was not set up using LVM. ???? |
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| 03:57.07 | samjax | Hi All. Are there any other technical changes (in development / packaging) in Devuan over Debian apart from init? |
| 03:57.23 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 03:57.25 | AlexLikeRock | samjax, |
| 03:57.35 | samjax | AlexLikeRock, ahoy |
| 03:58.08 | AlexLikeRock | mmmm #devuan-dev ? |
| 03:58.12 | AlexLikeRock | maybe :) |
| 03:58.24 | samjax | Ah right. |
| 03:59.17 | golinux | samjax: Yes. Gratuitous non-init hooks tied to applications. |
| 04:00.56 | samjax | golinux, I understand. But basically mostly "init-related" changes only right? I am curious to know because I want to use Devuan only if it is Debian as-is but without the systemd crap |
| 04:02.40 | nacelle | there are other changes, in the name of simplfiying dev/etc. afaict/afaik |
| 04:02.47 | nacelle | like jfs support, etc. |
| 04:03.18 | samjax | Oh ok |
| 04:03.28 | samjax | So there are config level changes |
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| 04:54.22 | AlexLikeRock | so.... |
| 04:54.29 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.37 | Xenguy | hrm, what's up doc |
| 04:56.49 | AlexLikeRock | :> |
| 04:56.54 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 04:57.20 | Xenguy | what's cooking good looking? |
| 05:02.16 | blop | "Even in well-connected places like Sydney, we've all had the experience of having a poor connection, and almost no battery, while waiting for some huge production of a site to load so we can extract a morsel of information like a restaurant address." |
| 05:02.27 | blop | hah "text-based websites should not exceed in size the major works of Russian literature." http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm |
| 05:03.05 | furrywolf | I like nice lean pages. Most bloat adds little or nothing to the page. |
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| 05:07.15 | Xenguy | A text browser can sometimes help to mitigate the web page bloat |
| 05:07.45 | AlexLikeRock | yep : |
| 05:08.21 | AlexLikeRock | $ w3m yahoo.com |
| 05:08.46 | Xenguy | or: elinks |
| 05:08.47 | AlexLikeRock | keys : man w3m |
| 05:08.52 | AlexLikeRock | yep |
| 05:09.38 | Xenguy | I like w3m, and it works well, but the key bindings are a bit 'eccentric', at least to me |
| 05:09.47 | Xenguy | nevertheless, good work |
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| 05:30.12 | blop | the examples there |
| 05:30.16 | blop | the curses crowd my mouth |
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| 05:33.45 | Xenguy | A nice turn of phrase blop |
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| 05:52.11 | blop | i'm left with three-dier browsing. currently dillo -> (netsurf | w3m) -> firefox-esr (with many blockers, soon to be palemoon) |
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| 06:43.40 | Xenguy | I'm running PM on both W!ndows and Linux blop |
| 06:43.55 | Xenguy | Very much enjoying it |
| 06:44.46 | Xenguy | On W!ndows, it will consume memory over the course of a few days, and so I just save session and restart it |
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| 06:45.12 | Xenguy | But other than that, it is quite a good browser experience, for me |
| 06:45.44 | Xenguy | On Linux, I'm just running the tarball they offer |
| 06:46.11 | blop | i like the pm devs, i like my own build (custom mozconfig), and i like the noscript, requestpolich, and dark background&light text plugins |
| 06:47.25 | Xenguy | PM is where the teks run to when the marketing droid arrive elsewhere |
| 06:47.41 | Xenguy | *droids |
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| 07:17.41 | FriendlyMan | dd to usb amd64 iso, and live iso, booted on hp envy laptop, get install screen, any option gives black screen. how do i initialize text installer with nomodeset? |
| 07:18.25 | KatolaZ | FriendlyMan: hit "TAB" |
| 07:18.38 | KatolaZ | and you will see the full kernel line |
| 07:18.56 | FriendlyMan | Intel HD graphics 4400 |
| 07:19.02 | FriendlyMan | Ah, =) thank you! |
| 07:19.03 | KatolaZ | FriendlyMan: ^^^^ |
| 07:20.35 | FriendlyMan | do i have to hit tab before the main screen pops up? |
| 07:20.44 | KatolaZ | FriendlyMan: which main screen? |
| 07:20.50 | FriendlyMan | (Hitting tab at installer menu does nothing) |
| 07:20.57 | KatolaZ | are you using the live iso or the installer iso? |
| 07:21.07 | FriendlyMan | installer iso |
| 07:21.29 | FriendlyMan | Debian GNU/Linux UEFI Installer menu |
| 07:21.35 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 07:21.37 | KatolaZ | Debian? |
| 07:21.41 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 07:21.43 | FriendlyMan | It says devuan behind it |
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| 07:21.49 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 07:22.13 | KatolaZ | FriendlyMan: then select any install option |
| 07:22.16 | FriendlyMan | Debian GNU/Linux 1.0 Final |
| 07:22.21 | FriendlyMan | I did black screen *L* |
| 07:22.46 | FriendlyMan | Graphical Install, just Install, theay all give a black screen. |
| 07:23.13 | KatolaZ | man you should hit tab *before* hitting enter |
| 07:23.24 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 07:23.26 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 07:23.29 | KatolaZ | it's uwfi |
| 07:23.32 | KatolaZ | so you have grub |
| 07:23.40 | KatolaZ | then just type 'e' |
| 07:23.44 | KatolaZ | to edit an entry |
| 07:24.59 | FriendlyMan | Thanks! =) |
| 07:25.17 | FriendlyMan | Now I see. Thank you! |
| 07:25.29 | KatolaZ | np |
| 07:25.30 | KatolaZ | yw |
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| 07:38.33 | FriendlyMan | Replaces quiet with nomodeset and hit f10 to boot.. Still black screen. =) |
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| 07:42.53 | ejr | FriendlyMan: try to add modprobe.blacklist=nouveau after pressing e |
| 07:44.41 | FriendlyMan | k |
| 07:46.26 | FriendlyMan | On a new line, or at the end of: "linux /install.amd/vmlinux vga=778 --- quiet"? |
| 07:47.07 | ejr | at the end of it, after "quiet" |
| 07:47.18 | ejr | mind the . between modprobe and blacklist |
| 07:48.31 | FriendlyMan | hit f10 to boot. Black screen. :\ |
| 07:48.43 | FriendlyMan | I did =) |
| 07:55.16 | FriendlyMan | Tried: grub_gfxmode=1024x768x16 Blank Screen :( |
| 07:55.58 | debdog | a long time ago I've had a similar problem with a laptop. dunno whether it applies here or not but worth a shot. if you have a separate monitor, attach it to the laptop, mayhap the signal is getting send to the wrong adapter |
| 07:56.37 | FriendlyMan | I thought as much crappy hp only has hdmi port. No output, and no bios toggle at all. |
| 07:56.58 | FriendlyMan | Thought the same. going to try: grub_gfxmode=vesa, and grub_gfxmode=vga next. =) |
| 07:59.07 | ejr | FriendlyMan: or if you don't need uefi, which sucks anyway, try legacy/bios |
| 07:59.39 | FriendlyMan | Okay. =) |
| 08:02.29 | ejr | btw i also have a question about attaching separate monitors: whenever i attach an external screen to my netbook (running devuan-jessie), the virtual console resolution on my second screen is the same as that on my netbook (i.e. rather low) and cannot be changed with fbset (error: "ioctl FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: Invalid argument"). what's the problem here? |
| 08:03.34 | ejr | when i am in i3wm or some other gui, i can just fix this problem, but as X is not involved in the virtual console that wouldn't work |
| 08:04.59 | golinux | HPs can be troublesome . . . |
| 08:04.59 | ejr | also, this only happens when I attach the external monitor after logging into devuan. when I attach it at bootup, the resolution is the way i want it to be |
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| 08:58.23 | FriendlyMan | KatolaZ: acpi=off worked FTW btw =) |
| 08:59.21 | FriendlyMan | KatolaZ: Thank you for your help! =) |
| 08:59.40 | ejr | FriendlyMan: I would strongly discourage you from running your os with acpi=off on the long term though |
| 08:59.56 | ejr | also, did you check whether shutdown etc. works correctly with acpi disabled? because often it won't |
| 09:00.11 | ejr | also, the fan etc |
| 09:01.20 | FriendlyMan | i was installing devuan, and i got a blank screen when i selected any option. :\ |
| 09:01.36 | FriendlyMan | fan always on in the bios might be a problem? |
| 09:02.41 | FriendlyMan | I was getting: "firmware bug acpi bios _osi(linux) query ignored" when running live iso |
| 09:03.29 | FriendlyMan | i tried: "acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor nomodeset" still black screen. It's one of those hp envy hybrid laptops. I will research other options before going this way. Thanks! |
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| 09:23.53 | aitor | hi |
| 09:25.36 | Guest54301 | i've got an error building linux with vdev, nothing to worry about |
| 09:28.55 | Guest54301 | i attach the *.build file: |
| 09:28.56 | Guest54301 | http://gnuinos.org/linux_4.9.80-1_i386.build |
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| 09:29.41 | Guest54301 | configure: error: Missing /usr/include/libudev.h |
| 09:30.59 | Guest54301 | in short, a symlink in /usr/include pointing to /include/libudev.h is needed |
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| 09:40.59 | Guest54301 | i rectify: pointing to /include/`gcc-4.9 -print-multiarch`/libudev.h |
| 09:43.18 | Guest54301 | that is: /include/i386-linux-gnu/libudev.h |
| 09:53.43 | Guest54301 | i'll include this symlink in libudev-compat.links |
| 09:54.34 | Guest54301 | and also a symlink pointing to: |
| 09:55.35 | Guest54301 | `/lib/`gcc-4.9 -print-multiarch`/pkgconfig/libudev.pc` |
| 09:57.29 | Guest54301 | one doubt: if i use ln -s in the *.postint file for those symlinks, are they included in the Contents-i386.gz? |
| 09:59.04 | Guest54301 | bbl |
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| 11:01.13 | mhc | how hard would it be to send a raspberry pi powered sat into space? |
| 11:01.30 | specing | easy |
| 11:02.22 | specing | launching into space (LEO) starts at about $10000 per kg |
| 11:02.33 | mhc | ah well met. care to elabor? |
| 11:02.42 | mhc | haha |
| 11:02.50 | mhc | money easy then |
| 11:03.08 | specing | look up cubesats |
| 11:03.27 | mhc | thanks mate |
| 11:03.41 | mhc | will do |
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| 11:56.28 | FriendlyMan | KatolaZ: HP ENVY x360 - 15-u110dx (ENERGY STAR): "acpi_osi=Linux acpi_osi="!Windows 2012" acpi_osi="!Windows 2013" acpi_backlight=vendor" Worked. =) |
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| 14:01.28 | aslan8649 | I have installed devuan jessie 1.0.0 on an amd64 box with 64gb of memory. Installed to a WD 3TB hard drive. Install went well, no issues. Rebooted and the computer hangs when starting X windows after I log in as a normal user. |
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| 14:03.08 | aslan8649 | This same box runs debian stretch with systemd removed with X-Windows. Even with systemd removed many packages will not install due to dependency on systemd. I though I would switch to devuan. |
| 14:05.03 | blop | yes good choice aslan8649 |
| 14:05.46 | blop | x windows isn't simple, which is why i prefer to log-in to console since 20 years |
| 14:07.20 | ejr | same here, actually one is much more productive in console with tmux most of the time. I only use X with i3 when I really want to watch a video (but usually just hearing the audio is enough too) |
| 14:08.00 | ejr | the only reasons why someone would need a gui are for picture/video editing tbh |
| 14:08.05 | blop | i am not giving you advice here, but I would probably boot the machine, ctrl-alt-f1 to get to contole vt#1, login, su, apt-get purge the display manager, test reboot and then login to console to test startx with an eye on Xorg.0.log |
| 14:08.46 | blop | i prefer to use X (heavily configured wm) over console for daily productivity |
| 14:09.49 | blop | oh that gives me an idea of something to try to fix my X on the ryzen laptop |
| 14:12.16 | ejr | aslan8649: check whether solution of post #9 in the following thread helps, even if you're not on ascii: http://dev1galaxy.org/extern.php?action=feed&tid=1781&type=atom |
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| 14:36.19 | aslan8649 | how do I download a dvd/netinst of ASCII? |
| 14:36.33 | donkeypult | from the devuan downloads page |
| 14:36.57 | aslan8649 | the motherboard may be too new for devuan jessie 1.0.0. |
| 14:37.29 | ejr | you mean for ascii? |
| 14:37.39 | aslan8649 | ejr, yes |
| 14:38.12 | ejr | could be, i had similar issues with ascii, mostly due to libreboot though (at least presumably) |
| 14:39.10 | ejr | though in your case, if it runs debian stretch, it should be able to run ascii |
| 14:39.11 | aslan8649 | ejr, i installed jessie 1.0.0 and when starting XFCE4 it hangs. just locks the machine right up. |
| 14:39.39 | ejr | did you check the Xorg logs for any hints, as blop suggested above? |
| 14:39.40 | aslan8649 | I thought I would try ASCII but i can not find an install disc |
| 14:40.45 | ejr | i'm not sure there are any ascii installers... some months ago there definitely weren't any |
| 14:41.50 | ejr | check what happens when you boot into X in failsafe mode (select failsafe/recovery mode in grub). if it also hangs then, start failsafe mode again and log into the console as root to check the Xorg logs |
| 14:45.58 | aslan8649 | ejr, Xorg.logs are normal. finds the apple keyboard, apple wired mouse, the Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio |
| 14:47.33 | aslan8649 | ejr, Upon boot it brings up X with a login window. I can switch to VC and log in as root. all is good. great joy in the land. |
| 14:48.18 | aslan8649 | ejr, i log in as normal user, click on default panel and that is all she wrote. locks up tight. |
| 14:49.10 | aslan8649 | Virgin 3TB hard drive, 64 GB memory tests okay. |
| 14:49.34 | aslan8649 | I am beginning to think the hardware is just to new. |
| 14:50.17 | ejr | a mac? |
| 14:51.09 | aslan8649 | Linuxmint live disk, trisquel live disk, Slackware Live CUrrent, all have issues. Slackware has definite issues with the Radeon Video card. |
| 14:51.41 | aslan8649 | ejr, no i use apple keyboards and wired mice. |
| 14:51.56 | aslan8649 | ejr, asus motherboard. |
| 14:52.23 | brabo | lazy sunday.. let's do an upgrade to ascii :) |
| 14:52.47 | aslan8649 | ejr, asus sabertooth 990FX R2.0 motherboard |
| 14:53.08 | ejr | aslan8649, try to reboot with mouse unplugged and see if it freezes still. sometimes specific mouses cause trouble even if the log says they are found (e.g. gaming mouses) |
| 14:55.31 | aslan8649 | ejr, the odd thing is even though the flat panel LCD monitor is working. it claims that the HDMI cable is unplugged. |
| 14:55.48 | aslan8649 | But obviously it has to be plugged in. |
| 14:56.05 | ejr | do you have a different mouse you can try it with? |
| 14:56.27 | aslan8649 | ejr, yes i have a dozen mice. |
| 14:58.19 | aslan8649 | i need to go insulin time. |
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| 15:35.51 | brabo | interesting.. after an upgrade from jessie to ascii i needed to do `chmod u+s /usr/bin/xinit` to make `startx` work |
| 15:40.13 | brabo | and my vlc issues only got worse.. let's try ceres then.. |
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| 15:40.37 | r7st- | hello |
| 15:41.12 | r7st- | is it normal for the installer to hang on "Detect network hardware" for a while? |
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| 15:42.05 | r7st- | i did a fresh debian9 install yesterday and did not have issues, but decided i should move to devuan. i have used it before and not had any problems. just wanted to check and see if i am being impatient or if this might be a bug |
| 15:42.28 | ejr | brabo: i have also experimented with ascii on several machines and ran across funny issues like that. i'd discourage anyone from using ascii in its current state; use backports if you really need spefific newer packages |
| 15:43.08 | brabo | ejr: i had vlc issues already in jessie, hence i thought i could always try upgrading and see ;) |
| 15:43.27 | r7st- | i am using the netinst image |
| 15:43.39 | brabo | i may have messed something up when toying with laptop-mode or so, if ceres has issues, then i just reinstall jessie and test vlc properly before messing about |
| 15:44.11 | brabo | r7st-: the netinst iso so far managed to detect network properly for me.. but could be i used older iso than yours, no diea |
| 15:44.36 | r7st- | maybe i should re-dd the image? |
| 15:44.57 | brabo | hm seems the isos werent specifically updated.. |
| 15:45.07 | r7st- | i did not check the hash, maybe i should do that first |
| 15:45.21 | brabo | r7st-: if you got this far in the installer i'd assume you did manage to put the image on correctly |
| 15:46.14 | brabo | are you trying wired or wireless? |
| 15:46.56 | r7st- | branbo: i have not gotten that far yet |
| 15:47.00 | r7st- | just hangs, and the mouse no longer works |
| 15:47.05 | r7st- | shasum is ok |
| 15:47.14 | brabo | oh so it really hangs at the start there |
| 15:47.23 | brabo | hm wish i could offer a suggestion to that.. |
| 15:48.19 | r7st- | brabo: yea. would another installer be different, you think? |
| 15:48.56 | r7st- | i chose netinst because i would like a very minimal setup if possible |
| 15:49.12 | brabo | shouldn't be.. maybe check usual suspects? if wired, cable plugged in well? if only wifi on say laptop, is the button for wifi on? otherwise i'd say, reboot and try again |
| 15:50.07 | brabo | my last install on my thinkpad x230 the netinst detected correctly both wired and wifi, and afaik the iwlwifi is non-free |
| 15:50.40 | r7st- | it is a thinkpad x131e, cable is fine, this will be 3rd reboot |
| 15:51.28 | r7st- | yea, on detect network hardware the mouse works for a bit then stops |
| 15:51.31 | r7st- | and i get nothing pop up |
| 15:51.40 | brabo | yikes |
| 15:51.46 | brabo | that does not sound so good |
| 15:52.13 | r7st- | is bs of 4096 appropriate for a dd? i feel like that wouldn't matter |
| 15:52.17 | brabo | idk what OS parts are loaded but that sounds like a kernel freeze or so |
| 15:52.40 | brabo | i doubt that would influence this stage :) |
| 15:52.53 | r7st- | the live boot works fine, i tested that |
| 15:53.08 | r7st- | "live cd" rather |
| 15:53.27 | brabo | sounds like enough stuff works to safely assume your dd operation is good as it is |
| 15:53.45 | brabo | i dont think you would get this far if that was an issue |
| 15:53.52 | r7st- | i don't either |
| 15:53.54 | brabo | but, just a user here |
| 15:53.58 | r7st- | hmm. |
| 15:54.15 | r7st- | i am actually working on a special build |
| 15:54.19 | brabo | oki.. ceres is there.. let's see.. |
| 15:54.22 | r7st- | using pkgsrc :) |
| 15:54.54 | g4570n | r7st-: did you activate the non-free respos to obtain the driver for your wifi card? |
| 15:54.56 | r7st- | because of this everything i build and install is separated from the base system, so transfer to devuan will be easy |
| 15:55.16 | r7st- | g4570n no, i was just going to go with wired for now, but i'm not getting far enough for that option yet |
| 15:55.47 | brabo | no indeed, without networking you wont be able to get any extra stuff |
| 15:56.06 | r7st- | i don't even have the option to skip though, it just hangs |
| 15:56.12 | r7st- | i think networking works on the live cd |
| 15:57.34 | r7st- | i am am dd-ing over again, perhaps a bit got flipped somewhere |
| 15:58.09 | r7st- | other than that, not sure what else i can do besides try another install img |
| 15:58.35 | r7st- | is it possible to install the same "minimal" system with the install cd rather than NETINST? |
| 15:58.48 | r7st- | i am just installing base and building the system from pkgsrc |
| 15:59.22 | brabo | gah ceres fails harder at running X :p |
| 15:59.39 | brabo | i think i go back to the beginning and test vlc properly on a clean jessie |
| 16:00.33 | brabo | and ceres first reboot had a looot on sda5_crypt (busy |
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| 16:18.18 | golinux | aslan8649: There are no official isos for ASCII yet. Only a few for internal testing. |
| 16:18.58 | golinux | <donkeypult> [08:33:07] from the devuan downloads page |
| 16:19.11 | golinux | No not yet but coming soon. |
| 16:21.28 | r7st- | well, cd also hangs at the same point |
| 16:23.24 | r7st- | that is a shame |
| 17:21.49 | blop | the person asked where to get them, not when |
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| 17:22.37 | blop | @ golinux |
| 17:24.53 | golinux | Clever response. |
| 17:44.09 | brabo | ah i see.. so doing https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/jessie-minimal-install with encrypted lvm2 seems to always fail to have a proper initramfs with cryptsetup.. at finish installation step even when skipping grub stuff, it runs update-initramfs anyway and that seems to end up having an initramfs without cryptsetup, so then i have to redo it from rescue mode afterwards |
| 17:44.53 | brabo | just rerunning update-initramfs from the resue mode chroot(?) fixes it |
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| 17:48.56 | blop | dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -n <- list installed packages sorted by increasing size |
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| 17:53.59 | g4570n | nice trick |
| 18:07.07 | brabo | blop: cool |
| 18:07.24 | brabo | i dare suspect firefox is the biggest ony my system followed by vlc |
| 18:07.32 | blop | ffmpeg here |
| 18:07.46 | brabo | will try once format is done and reinstall complete |
| 18:08.52 | blop | not as important as it was in the days of yore, but still fun |
| 18:08.57 | brabo | so, just as a question.. is there a reason that when skipping grub and all during expert mode installer at finish installation it runs update-initramfs? it seems to make me previous manual changes to my initramfs moot (inlcuding cryptsetup) |
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| 18:09.26 | brabo | which is a bit annoying, nothing more |
| 18:10.00 | blop | that could trip up non-experts |
| 18:10.20 | brabo | i guess it could be made a cancelable step like grub install? |
| 18:10.45 | brabo | as it is, i don't see a way to tell it not to mess with my initramfs |
| 18:10.46 | blop | i don't know enough about it but it seems like you raise a good point |
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| 18:11.26 | blop | i'd say it merits a post on forum or similar |
| 18:11.29 | brabo | and as i said, not a huge issue, just annoying i *need* to reboot into rescue mode after installation just to regenerate my initramfs taking CRYPTSETUP=y into account |
| 18:11.51 | brabo | OR installer might check for changes to initramfs.conf at that step? |
| 18:11.54 | brabo | that'd fix it too |
| 18:12.16 | brabo | it clearly still is doing stuff with the volume so it should be mounted so, it could check.. |
| 18:12.51 | brabo | blop: fair point, i will try to remember to make a good post about it |
| 18:13.12 | brabo | no promises, i havent upgraded to bio-ECC memory yet :p |
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| 18:29.10 | AlexLikeRock | hellow |
| 18:33.18 | blop | hi |
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| 18:42.23 | brabo | hm |
| 18:43.02 | brabo | so my vlc issue is due to some alsa buffer that is too small.. is fixed in 3, and a possible workaround exists.. |
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| 18:53.40 | fsmithred | brabo, did you really skip grub, or did it install the bootloader even after you told it not to? |
| 18:54.11 | AlexLikeRock | fsmithred, me ? |
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| 18:55.31 | fsmithred | no, I don't think so |
| 18:56.16 | brabo | fsmithred: well, i did choose go back as i always do, i previously assumed i did update-initramfs in some incorrect way, but after install from rescue mode the same command makes it all good |
| 18:56.34 | brabo | lemme check in 10-15 min, format is almost done |
| 18:56.40 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:56.57 | fsmithred | I've had grub install when I didn't want it to |
| 18:57.11 | brabo | with some luck i can discern what steps it ends up doing, last time i did notice it running update-initramfs |
| 18:57.31 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.39 | brabo | but, doesn't the grub install from installer asks which device(s) to install grub to usually? |
| 18:57.44 | brabo | if so, it did not ask me that |
| 18:57.56 | AlexLikeRock | yes, yes ,yes |
| 18:58.05 | fsmithred | if bios boot, yes it should ask. If uefi boot, it doesn't need the device. |
| 18:58.23 | brabo | it also does not ask about uefi safe install path |
| 18:58.30 | brabo | so idk, not sure |
| 18:58.48 | fsmithred | you don't know if you booted in uefi or not? |
| 18:59.08 | fsmithred | did you notice whether you had a grub boot menu or an isolinux boot menu? |
| 18:59.30 | brabo | AlexLikeRock: in my case, i boot into rescue mode, during expert minimal install i already added `CRYPTSETUP=y` to initramfs.conf, in rescue modes shell i just rerun `update-initramfs -u -k all` and reboot, fixed |
| 19:00.03 | AlexLikeRock | not work at me |
| 19:00.10 | brabo | fsmithred: ah it is for sure grub boot menu, and.. i do not really have exp/knowhow of uefi stuff |
| 19:00.19 | brabo | never did my homework on it ;) |
| 19:00.35 | brabo | AlexLikeRock: and did you install lvm2 and cryptsetup? |
| 19:00.38 | fsmithred | oh, visit rodsbooks.com for uefi info |
| 19:00.41 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 19:01.00 | brabo | AlexLikeRock: also, i specifically do things ala https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/jessie-minimal-install |
| 19:01.01 | fsmithred | anyway, it puts the bootloader in the efi partition, so it doesn't need to ask for a device |
| 19:01.39 | brabo | fsmithred: hm, installing grub2 myself does ask that though |
| 19:02.08 | fsmithred | ok, now I'm confused |
| 19:02.17 | brabo | fsmithred: hah, so i am! |
| 19:02.19 | brabo | ;) |
| 19:02.40 | brabo | but i will keep an eye open for how things go, and will report back in maybe 15 min |
| 19:02.44 | fsmithred | check to see if /sys/firmware/efi exists - if so, it's uefi |
| 19:02.49 | brabo | still couple more minutes formating to go |
| 19:02.57 | brabo | fsmithred: ack, will do ;) |
| 19:03.08 | KatolaZ | so |
| 19:03.11 | KatolaZ | back |
| 19:03.12 | fsmithred | ok, I'll be around |
| 19:03.13 | brabo | and thanks for the infos, it is not the first time i got some good infos from you |
| 19:03.14 | fsmithred | wb |
| 19:03.17 | brabo | or KatolaZ for that matter ;) |
| 19:04.08 | brabo | so soemthing else has been bugging me |
| 19:04.12 | brabo | i am still using alsa |
| 19:04.45 | brabo | and last time i tried pulse was on debian with systemd removed.. that did not go well, and #debian comment was along the lines of: if you refuse systemd, good luck making it work |
| 19:04.48 | brabo | so |
| 19:04.58 | brabo | now firefox 52 esr is the last to even support alsa? |
| 19:05.03 | brabo | how will devuan handle that? |
| 19:06.17 | brabo | do say if i misunderstood something (or fucked something up that is a known issue if not aware of it with pulse without systemd) |
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| 19:10.03 | fsmithred | brabo, it's a known issue, and no particular solution has been chosen yet. |
| 19:10.15 | brabo | fsmithred: ouch |
| 19:10.18 | fsmithred | some people have had luck using apulse instead of pulseaudio |
| 19:10.31 | fsmithred | but it didn't work for me when I tried it on 57 |
| 19:10.31 | brabo | i am getting more and more afraid that eventually i *will* have to choose usability over principles |
| 19:11.09 | brabo | also, ascii would need to get stable soon, devuan is lagging hard behind debian, and that will cause people to switch back sooner or later too :/ |
| 19:11.21 | brabo | no criticism intended, at all |
| 19:11.29 | brabo | but stuff is getting old |
| 19:11.54 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.10 | fsmithred | so we're moving twice as fast (maybe more) |
| 19:13.34 | brabo | ah ye, i do realise there is a lot of catching up to do |
| 19:13.44 | brabo | i dont meant anything bad by what i said |
| 19:13.52 | brabo | *didn't mean |
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| 19:14.22 | brabo | i'm just a bit worried, i'd love to keep using devuan! |
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| 19:14.42 | brabo | i love that it was a huge non-change ;) |
| 19:14.47 | brabo | to switch to |
| 19:15.21 | fsmithred | yeah, switching to devuan is less of a change from debian than sticking with debian is. |
| 19:15.33 | brabo | yeah |
| 19:15.50 | brabo | it pained me to switch away from debian after ~15 years |
| 19:16.20 | brabo | but i am not usually accepting people deciding stuff for me and making it next to impossible to not accept that in my heart ;) |
| 19:16.44 | brabo | then i have a knee-jerk reaction the opposite side |
| 19:19.41 | blop | you accept people deciding what ./configure flags your software is built with |
| 19:19.58 | blop | softly whispers 'gentoo' in brabo's ear ;) |
| 19:22.43 | brabo | blop: apples, pears |
| 19:23.02 | blop | yes, i jest |
| 19:23.04 | brabo | ;) |
| 19:23.24 | brabo | though yes, that is something we do put trust in package maintainers for |
| 19:23.45 | brabo | otoh i guess we all know we can build ourselves if we feel or have the need to |
| 19:24.59 | blop | i lazily dd'd a small drive to a large one, now the partition table doesn't match the actual drive size, and the last partition won't mount or let me grow it with gparted |
| 19:25.10 | blop | is there a captain dummy way to fix that? |
| 19:25.41 | brabo | blop: well, you could always overwrite the boot sector values with teh right ones.. |
| 19:25.44 | brabo | what fs is it? |
| 19:26.15 | blop | three ext4 and one swap. problem is the last ext4 part |
| 19:26.30 | blop | oh no sorry last is ntfs |
| 19:27.04 | blop | what no it's ext4. testdisk confused me |
| 19:27.18 | blop | i haven't made data partions ntfs in a loong time |
| 19:28.26 | brabo | ah |
| 19:28.28 | brabo | no idea |
| 19:28.39 | brabo | havent gotten to writing ext filesystems yet :) |
| 19:28.53 | blop | somewhere in the partition table i think there's a thingy that says 'your whole drive is _this_ big' |
| 19:29.01 | brabo | likely |
| 19:29.16 | blop | and gparted barfs when it finds that doesn't match |
| 19:29.37 | blop | maybe |
| 19:29.39 | brabo | hmmmm |
| 19:30.08 | blop | mounting it complains EXT4-fs (sdb4): bad geometry: block count 469527552 exceeds size of device (103245568 blocks) |
| 19:30.38 | blop | which seems odd |
| 19:30.48 | brabo | ah fsmithred so installing grub2 from shell during expert install asks which devices to install to.. and iirc the expert installer when followed without doing stuff myself in a shell did ask about removable uefi install path.. so, onwards and will try to spot actions during finish install |
| 19:31.20 | blop | anyway it's silly to fix this since i won't make the same error again |
| 19:32.40 | fsmithred | I think I got the question about removable uefi install path when I installed to gpt disk with a bios boot |
| 19:33.22 | brabo | fsmithred: and then when during finish installation skip installing base and skip install grub doesn't end up showing anything with grub, but it does an update-initramfs at the very end |
| 19:33.28 | brabo | for seemingly NO reason at all |
| 19:33.54 | brabo | idk, it did couple other things.. perhaps something in that prompted an initramfs update? |
| 19:33.59 | fsmithred | could be from some other package's postinst script |
| 19:34.29 | brabo | perhaps so |
| 19:34.49 | brabo | and yes, then first boot it fails, so need to rescue and update it again |
| 19:35.16 | brabo | so seems at that point update-initramfs might also take the targets initramfs.conf into account no? |
| 19:35.40 | fsmithred | yeah, I would think so. |
| 19:35.41 | brabo | which would allow any package to update it without "forgetting" set config? |
| 19:36.02 | fsmithred | and I'd expect it to be in a chroot and use what's on the hard drive |
| 19:37.19 | fsmithred | you edit the config during the install? |
| 19:40.40 | brabo | yeah, during the minimal install, before installing grub, i setup initramfs.conf to have `CRYPTSETUP=y` in it |
| 19:40.46 | brabo | then update-initramfs |
| 19:40.56 | brabo | and then install grub |
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| 19:42.51 | brabo | so after first boot fails, i just boot into an installer rescue shell with the encrypted lvm properly mounted, run `update-initramfs -u -k all` and reboot, and it works |
| 19:43.35 | fsmithred | you did that on /target/etc/initramfs... right? (just checking) |
| 19:43.35 | brabo | so clearly the config file is there and is good, but the installer doesn't seem to take it into account when initramfs is updated |
| 19:44.07 | brabo | i did that chrooted into /target and then /etc/initramfs-tools... something/initramfs.conf |
| 19:44.14 | fsmithred | yeah, ok |
| 19:44.27 | brabo | but clearly if rescue shell can just update it and it works, the conf file is good |
| 19:45.44 | banshi | brabo, hey |
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| 19:50.15 | brabo | banshi: hiya! |
| 19:51.54 | aslan8649 | back |
| 19:52.39 | aslan8649 | syslog, daemon, both are showing that pulseaudio is the issue with starting a desktop environment. |
| 19:53.16 | aslan8649 | pulseaudio gives the error message that the HDMI cable is unplugged. |
| 19:53.43 | aslan8649 | The HDMI by definition has to be plugged in to see anything. |
| 19:55.03 | aslan8649 | debian stretch will not play audio via the HDMI. I have tried everything with Debian Stretch. So I have been trying other linux distributions. |
| 19:55.32 | aslan8649 | linunmint, trisquel, slackware all fail miserably |
| 19:55.57 | aslan8649 | I was hoping that devuan jessie 1.0.0 would work. |
| 19:56.53 | aslan8649 | is that jelly as in jello/gelatin or as in jam/preserves? |
| 19:57.09 | aslan8649 | or as in jelly fish? |
| 19:57.42 | aslan8649 | off to try to get this to work. |
| 19:58.57 | jelly | neither, it's based off my last name |
| 20:04.43 | brabo | aslan8649: naah, he's just jelly of you |
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| 20:18.19 | brabo | cool. upping alsa buffers fixed the vlc playback issue.. no need to self-compile vlc 3 for now \o/ |
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| 20:18.55 | brabo | gah |
| 20:19.22 | brabo | but introduced another issue, now on pause audio goes on for a bit and when unpause the first bit has ofc been played already grmbl |
| 20:19.27 | brabo | vlc 3 here i come.. |
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| 21:25.55 | AlexLikeRock | head dek |
| 21:27.26 | ejr | is it possible to add new fonts to the devuan ttys, other than vga/terminus tat is? |
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| 21:33.55 | jelly | ejr, sure, but not many bitmap console fonts exist in the first place, because console drivers are SO SLOW |
| 21:34.23 | jelly | so noone cares to convert nice fonts |
| 21:39.16 | ejr | jelly: where would i have to put the bitmap fonts? |
| 21:39.35 | jelly | I honestly don't remember, locate .pcf |
| 21:40.41 | jelly | ejr, sorry, .pcf are X11 bitmap fonts. locate .psf |
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| 21:41.13 | jelly | apparently /usr/share/consolefonts |
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| 22:05.14 | ejr | jelly: thanks! |
| 22:05.40 | ejr | just added some psf fonts to the folder, now i'll reboot and see if i can pick them in console-setup :) |
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| 22:13.25 | jelly | ejr, reboot? use setfont to try things |
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| 22:21.15 | ejr | unfortunately, console-setup does not find the .psf.gz files that I put into consolefonts/ |
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| 22:31.55 | flrn | ejr /etc/default/console-setup |
| 22:32.25 | flrn | FONT= |
| 22:33.27 | ejr | flrn: thanks, i just found that too and that fixes it, although it's a little clumsy |
| 22:35.23 | sirix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.19 | ejr | sirix: it actually seems to work with .psf.gz files as well |
| 22:40.05 | ejr | the problem is just that some fonts, e.g. the Inconsolata converted to psf, cannot deal with curses borders in ttys and portrays them as question marks, which looks silly. but so far that font is the only one of the four i've tried that has this problem |
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| 22:46.56 | flrn | haven't seen that in a very long time^^ |
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| 23:26.58 | freem | Hello. I just had an issue/bug while updating ceres, more precisely the package eudev, which was complaining about /etc/init.d/udev file missing. I solved it by doing a (symbolic, previously backed) link of /etc/init.d/eudev to /etc/init.d/udev. |
| 23:27.26 | freem | for me, problem solved, it's only to inform that maybe a patch contained a typo. |
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| 23:39.13 | freem | also, reportbug seems to not be working. |
| 23:39.38 | freem | (maybe I failed doing something with it) |
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