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| 08:34.36 | pardon | Salut |
| 08:34.52 | pardon | Salut #devuan |
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| 09:14.43 | Guest70207 | i'm fixing some minor issues in the blend of gnuinos for the live-sdk |
| 09:14.51 | Guest70207 | gnuinos 2 jessie is comming soon |
| 09:15.10 | Guest70207 | i'm building linux-libre-4.9.80 |
| 09:16.47 | Guest70207 | the boot proccess is a bit lazy with vdev in my system, maybe due to the missing radeon-firmware |
| 09:17.02 | Guest70207 | i'm not applying the debian patch: |
| 09:17.02 | Guest70207 | bugfix/all/radeon-firmware-is-required-for-drm-and-kms-on-r600-onward.patch |
| 09:18.46 | Guest70207 | i'm also building a new openbox-logout in gtk+ |
| 09:19.08 | amarsh04 | I notice that gnuradio can't be upgraded until init-system-helpers gets upgraded |
| 09:19.20 | Guest70207 | i'm also taking a coffee |
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| 09:53.34 | KatolaZ | amarsh04: ? |
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| 09:59.11 | Guest70207 | here you are a screenshot of the openbox-session-logout with the logo of refracta: |
| 09:59.13 | Guest70207 | http://gnuinos.org/openbox-session-logout.png |
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| 11:28.30 | Guest70207 | i'm building linux-libre-4.9.80 with libudev-compat-dev (VDEV): |
| 11:28.31 | Guest70207 | http://gnuinos.org/linux_4.9.80-1_i386.build |
| 11:29.57 | Guest70207 | see you later, i'm going for a walk :) |
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| 14:43.16 | Guest16031 | is known as aitor |
| 14:44.58 | Guest16031 | Arrr! |
| 14:45.36 | Guest16031 | who is the moderator in this channel? |
| 14:46.03 | Guest16031 | DocScrutinizer05, are you? |
| 14:46.22 | Guest16031 | are you? |
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| 14:47.25 | onekk | hello to all |
| 14:49.00 | onekk | I've a little doubt about ascii and sources.list, I've ascii-backports and ascii-proposed-updates in my sources list as found in some installation tips. |
| 14:49.20 | onekk | Are they bad? |
| 14:49.54 | KatolaZ | onekk: ? |
| 14:50.00 | onekk | Yes |
| 14:50.19 | onekk | if ? is what I mean? |
| 14:50.44 | onekk | in case it is "safe" to have them in the sources.list |
| 14:51.20 | KatolaZ | do you know what is a backports repo? |
| 14:52.15 | onekk | Yes it is a software that is not in the official repo but it is in the "testing" repo and "ported" with the "stable" libraries. |
| 14:52.21 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 14:52.24 | KatolaZ | do you want it? |
| 14:53.25 | onekk | I have to check what software is installed with ascii-backports, but with the command line is quite difficult to find it out, But ascci-proposed-updates |
| 14:54.05 | onekk | With synaptics is more easy but I don't know why synaptic pull in auto.mirror |
| 14:54.16 | KatolaZ | onekk: ??? |
| 14:54.16 | onekk | let me see |
| 14:54.25 | KatolaZ | what do you have in sources.list? |
| 14:57.14 | onekk | see: https://ptpb.pw/LlIQ |
| 14:57.42 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 14:57.54 | KatolaZ | so there is no way synaptic can take anything from auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 14:58.10 | KatolaZ | unless you have other files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 15:00.02 | onekk | I have some other files but none of them poit to auto-mirror, but synaptic show me some file from testing (Which I didn't see in none of the sources.list.d files) |
| 15:00.35 | KatolaZ | onekk: are you mixing devuan repos with debian's? |
| 15:01.06 | onekk | No I have the mono-official and one for openscad |
| 15:01.12 | KatolaZ | ok |
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| 15:04.15 | KatolaZ | onekk: apt-get update? |
| 15:04.52 | onekk | There is a way to "downgrade" the packages eventually pulled in from ascii-proposed-updates (I wonder some of them where pulled in by an old sources list copied with auto-mirror in it) |
| 15:05.13 | KatolaZ | onekk: why you want to downgrade them ? |
| 15:06.19 | onekk | I didn't know why auto.mirror.devuan.org (hope it is write right) is different from packages.devuan.org |
| 15:07.05 | onekk | I might remember some discussion read in some forum but i didn't remember where |
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| 15:07.11 | KatolaZ | onekk: you are confusing packages.devuan.org with pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 15:07.35 | onekk | yes pkgmaster ù |
| 15:08.00 | onekk | ops wrong entry, yes it is pcgmaster..., sorry |
| 15:08.24 | KatolaZ | they have the same content |
| 15:08.36 | KatolaZ | the only problem is that auto.mirror merges at a slower pace |
| 15:09.06 | onekk | So for readibility if I change auto.mirror... to pkgmaster... it will work |
| 15:09.26 | KatolaZ | no it's not just a matter of readability |
| 15:09.30 | KatolaZ | they are two different servers |
| 15:10.51 | onekk | but it is better have only one server so if i change the auto.mirror with pkgmaster is better and ascii-proposed-updates is a relatively "good" repo, (as I've some packages imported from it i didn't want break something) |
| 15:12.37 | Guest16031 | onekk: mono for openscad? |
| 15:12.55 | KatolaZ | onekk: I really don't understand your question, sorry |
| 15:12.55 | Guest16031 | are you referring to c#? |
| 15:13.02 | onekk | Guest16031, no mono is for mono and CamBam for cnc machinig |
| 15:13.03 | KatolaZ | there is no "good" or "bad" repo |
| 15:13.13 | Guest16031 | ok |
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| 15:13.36 | KatolaZ | there are repos that you need and repos that you don't need |
| 15:13.48 | onekk | KatolaZ, godd in the meaning "quite safe" to no breaking anything |
| 15:14.00 | KatolaZ | ... |
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| 15:17.34 | onekk | I have struggled with some IDE for arduino developing and after some fiddling I've installed VIM with PlatformIO and some home tuned Makefiles, plus dropped terminator in favour of three istances of urxvt, so I am revising some things on the system, and found theese "incongruences" |
| 15:21.00 | blop | i wonder if emacs has an irc mode |
| 15:21.57 | KatolaZ | blop: ERC |
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| 15:25.08 | onekk | KatolaZ, I have just modified the ascii-proposed-updates and after some file missing (due probably to some MIYOlinux customisation) I have ended up to update desktop-base but it complains about: |
| 15:25.11 | onekk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.17 | KatolaZ | onekk: why do you need ascii-proposed-updates, if I can ask? |
| 15:26.37 | KatolaZ | is there any package in particular that you can't find elsewhere in ascii? |
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| 15:27.16 | onekk | I don't know but I've some packages I've pulled in, maybe by the original MiYoLinux install, If i don0t need them, how can I get rid of those? |
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| 15:27.41 | KatolaZ | onekk: does miYoLinux have separate repos? |
| 15:28.15 | onekk | No the original sources.list reported the auto.mirror.devuan... repos |
| 15:28.18 | KatolaZ | onekk: please consider that I am not in front of your machine |
| 15:28.23 | KatolaZ | I don't know what you have done |
| 15:28.34 | KatolaZ | or the commands you are typing/have typed |
| 15:28.57 | KatolaZ | you keep saying that you need to remove files, but if you don't say *which* *ones* |
| 15:29.02 | KatolaZ | it's impossible to help you |
| 15:29.04 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 15:29.06 | onekk | OK now I've commented out the ascii-proposed updates |
| 15:29.42 | onekk | There is a way to install the "vanilla" packages eventually pulled in by the "porposed" repo |
| 15:29.45 | onekk | ? |
| 15:30.00 | KatolaZ | onekk: what are the "vanilla" packages, mate? |
| 15:30.20 | onekk | Those from the "plain" devuan repos |
| 15:30.43 | KatolaZ | onekk: what do you mean by "plain" devuan repo? |
| 15:30.55 | Guest16031 | onekk: cnc machining... |
| 15:30.56 | KatolaZ | anything that you get from pkgmaster or auto.mirror is plain devuan |
| 15:31.33 | onekk | I mena the ascii-proposed-updates ones. apt-get update | apt-get upgrade will suffice? |
| 15:31.57 | KatolaZ | onekk: again, you don't need ascii-proposed-updates |
| 15:32.06 | onekk | Guest16031, yes CNC mahining or better CAM parte related to cnc machining. |
| 15:32.07 | Guest16031 | FANUC is over MS-DOS: it should be over DEVUAN |
| 15:32.07 | KatolaZ | unless you *really* need something that it's in there |
| 15:32.08 | Guest16031 | http://cncmanual.com/fanuc-series-15-i-150-i-model-a-c-language-executor-programming-manual-gfz-63323en-301/ |
| 15:32.34 | onekk | KatolaZ, Yes, but some packages where pulled in my installation. |
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| 15:32.47 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 15:32.49 | KatolaZ | forget them |
| 15:32.51 | KatolaZ | which packages? |
| 15:33.03 | KatolaZ | are they causing you any issue? |
| 15:33.51 | Guest16031 | need to go, see you :) |
| 15:34.24 | onekk | Not in particular, but I've noted that synaptics report me that some packages are installed from ascii-proposed-updates |
| 15:34.57 | KatolaZ | onekk: if something is not broken, don't fix it :) |
| 15:35.27 | KatolaZ | if you want to remove them, you can pin the suite to -1 |
| 15:35.49 | KatolaZ | but really, if you have no problems, you don;t need to go down that path, IMHO |
| 15:36.51 | onekk | OK thanks for the advice, |
| 15:37.06 | onekk | and sorry for the inconvenieces. |
| 15:37.23 | onekk | Now I reboot the machine and hope for best. |
| 15:37.31 | onekk | bye |
| 15:37.35 | KatolaZ | no problem onekk |
| 15:37.36 | KatolaZ | :) |
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| 15:47.42 | onekk | hello to all. |
| 15:47.51 | onekk | Katolaz it rebooted, so no harms |
| 15:47.54 | KatolaZ | welcome back onekk |
| 15:47.56 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 15:47.57 | onekk | thank you much |
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| 15:48.06 | KatolaZ | haven't done anything... |
| 15:48.18 | onekk | At least for the patience |
| 15:48.20 | onekk | :D |
| 15:49.54 | onekk | How to stay in toouch with ascii progress? I mean some info about the pending bugs and so on? |
| 15:50.09 | onekk | toouch > touch |
| 15:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | guest... ??? |
| 15:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aitor?? |
| 15:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck was the issue? |
| 15:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | when he's around again, tell them to use (or recover) their password to authenticate to nickserv. see /msg nickserv info aitor |
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| 22:11.47 | _abc_ | quick question: how to I make xfce4-terminal not use any Alt-digit key inputs but pass them to the application? I tried various things and it does not obey. Also, turning Bell on in it's config does not make the bell ring in the terminal. |
| 22:12.09 | _abc_ | Any on topic howto / guide / faq online please? |
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| 22:16.40 | blop | i think xfce itself traps alt |
| 22:16.49 | blop | at least fluxbox does |
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| 22:19.24 | _abc_ | If there's only one tab, it passes it on, if more than one, switches tabs with it. I tried to unset the relevant config options, did not work. |
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| 22:21.02 | _abc_ | Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Disable all menu access keys (Such as Alt+f) - ticked |
| 22:22.00 | _abc_ | brb |
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| 22:24.40 | _abc_ | The bell works now |
| 22:24.51 | _abc_ | MiscCycleTabs=FALSE did not help with the tabs |
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| 22:34.08 | gnarface | _abc_: try SUPER_L (left option/windows key) |
| 22:34.20 | gnarface | _abc_: (to pass alt) |
| 22:34.27 | gnarface | _abc_: works with wine anyway |
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| 22:38.23 | _abc_ | nope |
| 22:40.17 | _abc_ | 'strings' shows no trace of the Alt word in the terminal binary. Where are these settings stored? |
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| 22:40.57 | gnarface | well it's not really a setting that's stored |
| 22:41.23 | gnarface | it's inherent to the way ctrl key sequences are interepereted |
| 22:41.44 | gnarface | SUPER_L+alt allows the program to see alt because it stops the window manager from recognizing alt |
| 22:42.35 | gnarface | i was suggesting maybe your problem might be similar |
| 22:42.53 | gnarface | i'm not sure though by any means, it was just something you could try then we'd both learn something |
| 22:45.55 | gnarface | (i'm not using xfce sorry) |
| 22:46.27 | gnarface | i had to actually put effort into blocking the audible bell |
| 22:48.06 | _abc_ | turns out strace -ff -o trace xfce4-terminal does not properly follow the program... and exits before interesting things happen |
| 22:49.07 | _abc_ | gnarface: the xfce4-terminal 'Tabs' tab shows Alt-1 for tab 1 etc as text in the gui. That string has to come from somewhere, it is not hard coded in the binary |
| 22:50.28 | _abc_ | Using keyboard shortcuts that cannot be turned off or made transparent in a terminal on any *nix borders on sabotage |
| 22:50.53 | _abc_ | Fortunately if only one tab is open the keypress is passed to the application |
| 22:51.01 | _abc_ | Surely by accident, not by design. |
| 22:51.28 | AlexLikeRock | gnarface, o/ |
| 22:51.31 | AlexLikeRock | fail |
| 22:51.34 | AlexLikeRock | XDDDDDDDDDDDd |
| 22:56.45 | _abc_ | Ok, time to go to sleep a bit. Nice work debian developers, it's a nice system to have. |
| 22:58.38 | AlexLikeRock | ok, my turn |
| 22:58.53 | AlexLikeRock | gnarface, |
| 22:59.35 | AlexLikeRock | i have 2 laptops , |
| 22:59.47 | AlexLikeRock | 1 broke, (yesterday , remeber ?) |
| 23:00.08 | AlexLikeRock | 2nd with luks too, working fine |
| 23:00.09 | AlexLikeRock | so... |
| 23:00.16 | AlexLikeRock | wha compare to start ? |
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| 23:27.47 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: same problem with the other laptop? |
| 23:33.38 | AlexLikeRock | same laptop |
| 23:34.21 | AlexLikeRock | im comparing script of innitrams |
| 23:34.28 | AlexLikeRock | loks iquals :( |
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| 23:36.06 | AlexLikeRock | looks* |
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| 23:48.28 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: you already applied all the same fixes? CRYPTSETUP=y and all that? |
| 23:49.39 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 23:50.06 | AlexLikeRock | compile good, but , not dounf mapper |
| 23:50.22 | gnarface | you made two other changes i thought that were necessary |
| 23:50.31 | gnarface | some change to grub and to lucs? |
| 23:50.36 | gnarface | luks or whatever |
