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| 01:19.21 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 03:32.41 | frosty | hello |
| 03:32.56 | frosty | is this a support channel? |
| 03:34.18 | blop | yes |
| 03:36.23 | frosty | I'm trying to install devuan on a relatively newer laptop, i have an intel wireless 8265 network adapter. I downloaded the driver from intels website, but when i boot then devuan installer, it cant find any drivers on my media and won't continue with any of the options it has listed. What should i do? |
| 03:37.28 | gnarface | use the driver from the installer |
| 03:37.34 | gnarface | you'll need non-free too |
| 03:37.44 | frosty | i tried, it just says no network adapter detected |
| 03:38.01 | frosty | i tried select iwlwifi |
| 03:38.07 | frosty | selecting** |
| 03:38.20 | gnarface | it is possible it does not work, also it's possible it works on ascii but not jessie |
| 03:38.41 | frosty | is ascii a different devuan release? |
| 03:38.45 | gnarface | yea |
| 03:38.48 | gnarface | the 2.0 release |
| 03:38.53 | frosty | whaaaat |
| 03:38.54 | gnarface | it's not officially finished yet |
| 03:39.08 | gnarface | but it does have known fixes for intel wifi |
| 03:39.12 | gnarface | (that are not in jessie) |
| 03:39.12 | frosty | can you send me a link please? |
| 03:39.59 | gnarface | there isn't an installer yet either. you can just upgrade from jessie if you're desperate... uh... you don't happen to have a wired ethernet device you can use, do you? |
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| 03:40.40 | frosty | i do have one its just a pain because i need to go in a different room. i can make do if i have a relatively quick solution once i am wired |
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| 03:41.01 | frosty | i also downloaded a nonfree-firmware blob that should have my wifi driver on there in .deb file |
| 03:41.43 | gnarface | you're not supposed to need that, but hold onto it just in case |
| 03:41.52 | gnarface | what you need is supposed to be in the repos |
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| 03:44.00 | frosty | so what do you suggest i do? |
| 03:44.07 | frosty | download devuan with a wired connection? |
| 03:44.27 | frosty | from there will i be able to set up wifi, because i have the driver and the non free firmware blob |
| 03:44.27 | gnarface | well, that's what i would do |
| 03:44.36 | frosty | i need wireless working though |
| 03:45.07 | gnarface | i would use a wired connection to install a minimal jessie install then upgrade it to ascii and try the non-free iwlwifi firmware in ascii, along with the ascii kernel |
| 03:45.32 | gnarface | though now that i think of it... mabye these fixes are in backports too |
| 03:45.39 | gnarface | in jessie-backports, that is |
| 03:45.42 | gnarface | so you could try that |
| 03:46.04 | gnarface | or you could try to get someone in here to give you an unofficial ascii live image to test so you don't have to commit first |
| 03:46.35 | gnarface | there are already jessie live images up, i assume you tried one and couldn't get wifi working on there either? it's supposed to contain the non-free firmware too, i think. |
| 03:47.05 | frosty | i am using an iso installer |
| 03:47.35 | gnarface | they're all hybrid iso... |
| 03:47.43 | gnarface | do you mean one of the CD/DVD images, instead of the netinstaller? |
| 03:48.53 | frosty | under the ftp directory there is desktop-live, embedded, installer-iso, minimal-live, and virtual. |
| 03:48.56 | frosty | i choose installer iso |
| 03:49.07 | frosty | and installed a cd version |
| 03:49.44 | gnarface | so one thing about the netinstaller is that it can connect to the network during install, to get the latest version of everything first |
| 03:50.11 | frosty | ok. i will try that |
| 03:50.17 | gnarface | with the cd/dvd versions, i believe that doesn't happen until after you initiate it manually after first boot, after getting a network connection up... |
| 03:50.33 | gnarface | it'll still be jessie |
| 03:51.01 | gnarface | but then at least you'd know for sure it wasn't something that had already been fixed in jessie |
| 03:51.39 | frosty | thanks for the advice |
| 03:52.02 | frosty | also, do you think i will have issues upgrading to kernel 4.14? |
| 03:52.13 | frosty | or what is the highest kernel available? |
| 03:52.33 | gnarface | 4.9 is in backports and that's probably the easiest way to get a 4.x kernel on jessie |
| 03:53.00 | gnarface | you shouldn't have any problem installing 4.14 on ascii though if you know what you're doing |
| 03:53.34 | frosty | so if i add backports to my sources list, will it just be available as a package? |
| 03:53.47 | frosty | i would consider myself a little above beginner |
| 03:54.03 | frosty | i am not sure about upgrading to ascii though |
| 03:54.26 | gnarface | apt-get update && apt-get -t jessie-backports search ^linux-image |
| 03:54.29 | gnarface | sorry |
| 03:54.35 | gnarface | apt-get update && apt-cache -t jessie-backports search ^linux-image |
| 03:54.36 | gnarface | like that |
| 03:54.58 | gnarface | then: apt-get -t jessie-backports install [kernel package name] |
| 03:55.05 | gnarface | i forget the exact name |
| 03:55.05 | frosty | i understand |
| 03:55.10 | frosty | what is the -t flag ? |
| 03:55.15 | gnarface | target |
| 03:55.22 | frosty | ok |
| 03:55.47 | gnarface | just adding jessie-backports to your sources.list and running "apt-get update" isn't enough on it's own, you also have to use -t |
| 03:56.05 | frosty | thanks |
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| 04:20.53 | frosty | so |
| 04:21.12 | frosty | i just dd'd the netinstall image over my 8tb external hard drive |
| 04:22.07 | frosty | and lost everything |
| 04:22.20 | gnarface | ouch |
| 04:22.37 | frosty | thought the usb was /sdb but it was /sdc |
| 04:22.42 | gnarface | you gotta be careful where you point that thing |
| 04:22.43 | frosty | just thought id drop back in and say that |
| 04:23.01 | gnarface | if you repartition, you might be able to recover some of the data |
| 04:23.02 | blop | good thing you made backups |
| 04:23.10 | frosty | yeah ive done it 100 times i just happened to be watching that 70's show and got distracted |
| 04:23.14 | frosty | i made SOME backups |
| 04:23.22 | frosty | running testdisk 7.0 on it right now to try to recover |
| 04:24.10 | blop | that'll take a while on 8TB |
| 04:24.19 | frosty | was still working on a full time backup, was hoping something ridiculous (at my own hand) didn't happen in the meantime |
| 04:24.27 | frosty | yes it will, im desperate though |
| 04:24.52 | frosty | rough night boys |
| 04:24.56 | blop | i wish you luck |
| 04:25.15 | jehorn | Destroyer of disks.... I've done that a time or two. |
| 04:25.31 | frosty | thank you |
| 04:25.38 | frosty | oh... so that's what DD stands for |
| 04:26.10 | jehorn | something like that lol, disk destroyer, destroyer of disks - Comes from the old UNIX times |
| 04:27.46 | jehorn | I wiped an entire project of mine from existence by using DD. I did exactly the same thing and lost a git repo stored on an external drive. |
| 04:27.46 | blop | i taught someone about dd and he lost his life's data |
| 04:27.53 | blop | swapped if and of |
| 04:28.40 | frosty | making me feel a lot better, but LOL that needs to be a warning quote for dd "I taugh someone about dd and he lost his life's data" |
| 04:30.00 | gnarface | you're right, that should be in the manpage right under the header "convert and copy a file" |
| 04:33.47 | frosty | WOO, i have that 70's show backed up, not at is lost tonight. the binge continues |
| 04:33.54 | frosty | thanks for the support and laughs, have a good night |
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| 07:01.18 | blop | this ot, but great: http://sl4.org/crocker.html "Declaring yourself to be operating by "Crocker's Rules" means that other people are allowed to optimize their messages for information, not for being nice to you." |
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| 15:42.26 | mcr1 | any chance that upstream debootstrap will get devuan jessie and devuan ascii targets? |
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| 16:16.47 | KatolaZ | mcr1: what do you mean? |
| 16:17.36 | mcr1 | If I have an Ubuntu Xenial, can I easily debootstrap a devuan ascii system? |
| 16:17.55 | mcr1 | and if I want to debootstrap devuan jessie (vs debian jessie), what would I write? |
| 16:18.16 | mcr1 | I know that the devuan debootstrap has the right scripts... and I can copy them... |
| 16:22.58 | KatolaZ | just use devuan's debootstrap |
| 16:23.00 | KatolaZ | :) |
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| 16:41.01 | fsmithred | parazyd, are you familiar with this issue? (delayed shutdown with encrypted volumes): https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792552 |
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| 17:28.39 | brabo | hrm following https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/jessie-minimal-install i got some gpgv error on using pkgmaster.devuan.org as repo, auto.mirror.devuan.org as this guide used to say still works as expected |
| 17:29.40 | brabo | so my problem seems to be fixed by just using the auto.mirror, but i guess somewhere something might need fixing for everyone |
| 17:30.13 | brabo | oh, at the debootstrap step |
| 17:31.02 | brabo | https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list also uses auto.mirror for most, but for security updates packages.devuan.org :) |
| 17:34.17 | KatolaZ | brabo: you must install devuan-keyring |
| 17:34.49 | brabo | KatolaZ: from the devuan installer i need to install something to make things work? that seems a bit odd to me |
| 17:34.52 | KatolaZ | brabo: notice that packages.devuan.org and pkgmaster.devuan.org are nt the same thing |
| 17:35.09 | brabo | why can it work with auto.mirror and not with pkgmaster? |
| 17:35.22 | KatolaZ | because you have an onld version of devuan-keyring |
| 17:35.26 | KatolaZ | (the package) |
| 17:35.30 | KatolaZ | just apt-get update |
| 17:35.35 | brabo | ah |
| 17:35.37 | KatolaZ | apt-get install devuan-keyring |
| 17:35.48 | KatolaZ | and then you can change to pkgmaster if you like |
| 17:35.57 | brabo | okay i see.. maybe my installer image was older than i thought, it is possible |
| 17:36.10 | KatolaZ | the jessie installer uses auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 17:36.17 | KatolaZ | (or packages.devuan.org) |
| 17:36.28 | brabo | yeah but that minimal install guide switched to pkgmaster |
| 17:36.40 | KatolaZ | but if you don't "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" you won't get the new keyring package |
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| 17:37.06 | brabo | okay cool |
| 17:37.18 | KatolaZ | well it should work anyway tbh |
| 17:37.54 | brabo | well further down this guide i need to update and upgrade so then i guess it'll pull in the new keyring |
| 17:38.05 | KatolaZ | it should, yes |
| 17:38.20 | brabo | but is pkgmaster now the recommended one also to have in the end in my sources.list?>\ |
| 17:38.40 | KatolaZ | brabo: pkgmaster has the same packages as auto.mirror |
| 17:38.56 | KatolaZ | the difference is that pkgmaster is merged more frequently (every few minutes) |
| 17:39.03 | KatolaZ | while auto.mirror about once a day |
| 17:39.08 | brabo | oh i see |
| 17:39.10 | brabo | well |
| 17:39.44 | brabo | if i'd update more frequently than every few days maybe that would matter :) |
| 17:40.10 | brabo | good to know though, if i feel the need for that i know i can use pkgmaster instead |
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| 17:40.59 | brabo | hm the minimal install guide changed in more ways.. i thought it also had statements to block and autoremove suggesteds |
| 17:41.34 | brabo | were they removed because blocking and autoremoving recommends implies same for suggesteds? |
| 17:42.12 | KatolaZ | uh? |
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| 17:42.53 | brabo | KatolaZ: in the minimal install guide there used to be 4 lines going in a 01lean apt conf, 2 lines for recommends and 2 for suggesteds |
| 17:43.03 | brabo | now just the recommends are there |
| 17:44.53 | fsmithred | normally, Recommends are automatically installed. Suggests are not, so there's no need to block them. |
| 17:45.04 | brabo | fsmithred: aha! that explains |
| 17:45.10 | brabo | thanks man |
| 17:45.32 | brabo | a pity, seems that guide was never archived by the wayback machine |
| 17:45.41 | fsmithred | you could have debootstrapped from a refracta iso. Pretty sure you have one. |
| 17:46.11 | KatolaZ | brabo: or you could install from a minimal-live alternatively |
| 17:47.41 | fsmithred | I think he needs a newer kernel than jessie |
| 17:47.45 | brabo | well, i used this guide before and it ended up pretty nicely |
| 17:48.19 | fsmithred | no, I'm thinking of someone else |
| 17:48.25 | fsmithred | good |
| 17:48.45 | brabo | no, this is jessie netinst, has nothing to do with kernel version, when i switched to devuan i found this minimal install guide and it worked nicely so, i basically stick to it :) |
| 17:49.28 | fsmithred | I always feel so alone when I do a debootstrap install, because there's so little on the hard drive. |
| 17:51.47 | brabo | fsmithred: hihihi |
| 17:51.50 | brabo | nice one :) |
| 17:52.27 | brabo | doing this this way gives me the feeling i am at least somewhat in control regarding useless bloat |
| 17:52.38 | Irrwahn | fsmithred: Well, that's not necessary a bad thing, as alone =/= lonely. ^.^ |
| 17:52.44 | brabo | maybe in the end it's just that. a feeling |
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| 18:38.02 | parazyd | fsmithred: no, didn't do encryption with devuan |
| 18:38.51 | parazyd | it seems related to systemd-udev which we don't have in ascii |
| 18:47.32 | fsmithred | well, there's a delay when shutting down. |
| 18:47.50 | fsmithred | maybe around 30 seconds it hangs, saying the rootfs is busy |
| 18:48.00 | fsmithred | then it figures out what to do and shuts down |
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| 20:37.12 | parazyd | golinux: request for www.devuan.org |
| 20:37.22 | parazyd | golinux: can you add maemo leste to the derivative distro list? |
| 20:37.29 | parazyd | https://github.com/maemo-leste |
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| 20:45.38 | golinux | parazyd: Sure. Will do. |
| 20:45.48 | parazyd | thank you :) |
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| 20:46.11 | parazyd | fun fact: maemo leste was the first mention of devuan on the debian wiki :p |
| 20:46.12 | golinux | Something else was mentioned at the meet that should be added but I can't remember. |
| 20:46.33 | golinux | Very cool! |
| 20:46.38 | telmich | A bit off topic: the crowdfunding for our devuan based data center ends in 2 days - if anyone of you could share https://twitter.com/NicoSchottelius/status/961679529474478082 it would be much appreciated! |
| 20:46.39 | parazyd | https://wiki.debian.org/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&titlesearch=0&value=devuan&context=180 |
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