IRC log for #devuan on 20180204

00:23.09blophttps://files.catbox.moe/chd240.png  this is looking bearable now.  // blap.stylesheet
00:33.23golinuxWe live in different parts of the spectrum . . . https://transfer.sh/o88jE/desktop.png
00:35.28blopbright backgrounds  you put hurt on blap
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01:07.06aitorhi
01:07.52Guest89553Guest89553, arrrrr!
01:09.08Guest89553i've just announced the popupmenu in the forum of bunsenlabs:
01:09.08Guest89553https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=3730
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01:13.26Guest89553i also announced it in the forum of bunsenlabs in spanish:
01:13.28Guest89553https://plus.google.com/communities/102155480089831191422/stream/dc5ed9cf-c84f-4d5d-a2c1-b645ea187318
01:15.47Guest89553flrn: florian ziebol?
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01:20.10*** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/
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01:29.48Guest89553bye :)
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01:37.38blopif you're using a webkit browser: update - Security fixes: CVE-2018-4088, CVE-2017-13885, CVE-2017-7165, CVE-2017-13884, CVE-2017-7160,  CVE-2017-7153, CVE-2017-7153, CVE-2017-7161, CVE-2018-4096.
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01:39.25fsmithredblop, did you get your libpng problem straightened out?
01:40.50blopyessir
01:40.59fsmithredok, good
01:41.47fsmithredthat was a problem with slim before it was rebuilt
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04:28.10MiyoHi everyone! Just popping in to say hello, and now I'm leaving. LOLOLOL!!! Take care!
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05:21.37golinuxA Miyo drive-by.  LOLOLOL!
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07:50.10blophow do i purge a package whose script is crashing
07:50.59bloptrying to remove ferm
07:51.05blopbut it assumes i have iptables module
07:53.12blopah it was /var/lib/dpkg/info/ferm.prerm and ferm.postrm i can edit to workaround this
07:53.39blopbtw ferm.postrm has a bunch of deb-systemd-helper stuff
07:53.48blopoh but it's conditional
07:54.46blopwell so far i have kernel built, amdgpu module is loading..
07:55.22blopbut xorg fails to make make a keymap
07:55.52blopholy buckets, fixed it
08:01.29coyoteif it was a bug, report it
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08:07.52blopferm assumes you have iptables in your kernel
08:07.59blopnot too bad of an assumption :)
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09:00.05blopaha configure: error: LLVM 3.9.0 or newer is required for radeonsi
09:00.06blopbut i have 3.9.1-9 in ascii
09:05.16blopbrain fried
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09:17.39nacellecoreboot/libreboot have a bunch of caveats on the macbook2,1
09:17.49nacellehopes to surpass those sticking to the uefi stuff
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11:05.01zyliwaxgnarface: i believe i've discovered how to choose another directory for configscripts: provide 'Apt::ExtractTemplates::TempDir "/path/to/new/tmpdir";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf[.d/*]
11:06.28zyliwaxthen subsequent apt install operations which runs configscripts shouldn't throw that error, assuming /path/to/new/tmpdir allows executions of its contents
11:06.48zyliwaxdon't forget that semicolon at the end of the line or apt will complain that it's misconfigured
11:07.50zyliwaxi also extracted a list of every package on the system from /var/lib/dpkg/status and ran dpkg-reconfigure against each one in turn to ensure i didn't miss configuring them
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14:23.13JelovetoiPls join #Bestposters
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15:16.36ar-janJust upgraded from Devuan Jessie to Ascii. Upgrade itself went smoothly, but a couple of annoyances afterwards.
15:17.11ar-janUsing XFCE. Can't find a theme that looks/works OK everywhere.
15:19.32ar-janAlso can't seem to be prompted for root from a GUI anymore (Unable to run command as root Result code is 127)
15:20.33ar-janBut overall everything seems to be working fine.
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15:53.36coyotear-jan, strangely, what theme was installed before?
15:54.12coyotear-jan, try to launch a gui program from terminal and see what's happening
15:57.07golinuxar-jan: https://git.devuan.org/fsmithred/clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme/tree/suites/ascii
15:58.02golinuxar-jan: Do you have desktop-base installed?
16:00.19golinuxar-jan: Or even better https://transfer.sh/xn6JB/clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme_7.0.1-1+devuan2.0_all.deb
16:00.44golinuxI'm in the process of recoloring icons atm.
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16:39.01ar-jancoyote: iirc it was clearlooks, not sure. After upgrade it was Clearlooks-Phenix-Puppy
16:39.54ar-janwhat's wrong there, and in several of the xfce themes, is the menu items and dialogs. no spacing, alignment and borders
16:40.20ar-jangolinux: I do have desktop-base installed
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16:42.05ar-janClearlooks on the other hand is mostly OK, except the Redshift systray menu is a weird tiny box with scroll arrows both up and down
16:42.57coyoteyes, themes as i remember was my first problem in migrating from slackware+salix to devuan
16:43.08coyotebut it was fixed by installing themes systemwide
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16:55.21ar-jangolinux: ah, clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme_7.0.1-1+devuan2.0_all.deb looks better
16:56.51ar-janthe systray menu for redshift is still a scrollable box (though at least it displays more than 1 item now). I wonder where that's coming from.
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17:02.50golinuxClearlooks and Clearlooks-Phenix are not the same.  Clearlooks only supports gtk2.  Clearlooks-Phenix also supports gtk3 (fairly well).
17:03.17coyotewould Raleigh support gtk3
17:03.23coyotei love Raleigh theme
17:03.35golinuxThe problem is gtk3.  https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
17:04.26golinuxIt is a moving target so it's become too much work to develop themes.
17:05.41golinuxJust like systemd, gnome has a lock-it-down mentality that limits users' freedom.
17:07.00coyoteyes
17:07.04coyotewe need to remove gtk3
17:07.09coyoteand the whole linux
17:07.15coyotewrite our own os ^^
17:07.23coyote(just kidding)
17:07.43ar-janOK I'm moving to Redox.
17:08.00ar-jan;)
17:11.25ar-jangolinux: yeah I see they're different. So it looks like libgtk-3-0 version (3.22) is the reason that clearlooks-phenix-purpy-theme (the default 6.0.3-1+devuan1 in ascii) and various other xfce themes aren't working properly?
17:14.00golinuxYes.  clearlooks-phenix-purpy-theme worked on jessie but is broken on ascii.  But clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme is (for the moment working OK.
17:14.21golinuxon ascii
17:15.36golinuxclearlooks-phenix-purpy-theme is not the default in ascii.  The default is (or will be) clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme
17:16.28golinuxI'm not sure what is where in the repos.  I just play with the crayons.  fsmithred is doing the packaging.
17:17.09golinuxThe xfce themes are broken because none of them support gtk3.
17:18.02fsmithreddesktop-base in ascii depends on clearlooks-phenix-purpy-theme, which is not in ascii. It is kept on upgrade from jessie to ascii.
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17:22.35golinuxfsmithred: I sent you a preliminary upgrade of clearlooks-phenix-purpy-theme for ascii but in light of the recent fixes will need to be redone.
17:22.58fsmithredwhat needs to be redone?
17:22.58golinuxI can make those corrections it you want to repackage it.
17:23.23golinuxThe synaptic button fix and a few other things I found along the way.
17:24.16golinuxOf course the gtk-widget stuff is completely different.
17:24.23fsmithredok, send whatever files got changed or send the whole theme. Whichever is easier for you.
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17:25.04fsmithredif you're still working on it, then please look at it in openbox
17:25.13golinuxI'll do that this aft.  Can we talk about the icon recoloring later?
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17:25.48fsmithredsure
17:25.49golinuxopenbox theme won't change at all
17:25.55fsmithredyes it will
17:26.12golinuxWe had to mess with it because of the dark BG color.
17:26.36fsmithredhave you looked at synaptic in ob?
17:26.36golinuxThere is no problem with purpy color.  The code is identical.
17:26.49fsmithredwhat about the blue?
17:27.22fsmithredif you're ok with it, then I'm ok with it.
17:27.30fsmithredI just think you won't be.
17:28.03golinuxPlease send a screenie of the blue.  This is in purpy not darkpurpy , right?
17:28.31golinuxBurdock nishime is ready.  bbiab
17:29.51fsmithredplease look at it with your eyes. Sending screenshots back and forth is inefficient.
17:30.21isteewhat exactly is the purpose of libsystemd0 if you don't use systemd?
17:30.57fsmithredmostly nothing
17:31.11fsmithredit satisfies dependencies, so you can install other packages
17:31.20isteehmm
17:31.44isteefinding understandable documentation about systemd is impossible, i learned when trying to answer that question myself
17:31.46fsmithredbasically, its job is to tell packages that systemd is not installed
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17:32.18isteeis it a dummy package in devuan, but a real one in debian then?
17:32.29fsmithredno, it's the real thing in devuan
17:32.46fsmithreda dummy package made with equivs will work for some things, but not for everything
17:33.13fsmithredgvfs-daemons for example, needs more than a dummy.
17:33.24fsmithrednot sure how much more
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18:12.08freemangordonHi guys, any idea how am I supposed to install and configure openrc init script with package install? for sysvinit and upstart (and systemd) scripts postinst script is automagically extended to update update-rc.d etc, when there is appropriate init script in source /debian directory. Is there something similar for openrc?
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19:02.03gnarfaceah, thanks for the heads-up zyliwax
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19:52.12jubnutHi. Is there a ssh repo on git.devuan.org for xorg-server?
19:52.37jubnutIt's just that I nice clean systemd-free version.
19:52.45jubnutWould like to push it for your perusal..
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20:21.33gnarfacezyliwax: what do you think would be a better place for it though?  /var/tmp is usually not mounted noexec by default
20:21.55gnarfacebut i'm not sure if it's materially better
20:26.16blopgetting new ryzen 2500u gpu working under xorg is /hard/
20:27.36blopjubnut: xorg upstream seems to work here - is it broken for non-systemd systems?
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20:32.13jubnutblop: yes. well, it depends on systemd, anyway.
20:32.55blopi am confused since i just built 1.19.99.1 for devuan
20:32.58jubnuthttps://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-maintainers/issues/24
20:33.25jubnutblop: so you do not have systemd installed, but it still built and runs?
20:33.28jubnutHuh.
20:33.41blopit runs but i have an issue with aiglx
20:33.50blopbut that's not systemd related
20:34.41jubnutblop: so you built the actual debian package? Or just xorg-server source?
20:34.50blopno package
20:34.53jubnutAhhhh.
20:34.56jubnutThat would explain it.
20:35.05jubnutThis is debian package minus systemd.
20:35.36blopok would be nice to have a place where devuan users could submit their hackings
20:36.06ThurahTthe forum
20:36.09jubnutgit.devuan.org, isn't it?
20:36.33blopoh ty
20:37.01ThurahThttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=16 has a lot of tinkering collected as well
20:38.14jubnutHadn't seen that. Thanks.
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20:48.18blopty
20:49.22blopbtw firejail no work here.  the firejail folks are mystified
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20:49.30blopprobably already hacked
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21:09.24blopanybody get accel xorg / mesa on a ryzen 2500u?
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