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| 00:49.53 | specing | freem: micron is one of the largest manufacturers of ram & flash |
| 00:54.36 | freem | specing: really? I was not aware of that. Not like if I were aware about a lot of things when it comes to hardware, I must admit. |
| 00:57.33 | nacelle | there's a reason intel and micron a co-owners of the 3d-xpoint/crosspoint spec |
| 00:57.53 | specing | Has anything come out of the xpoint thing? |
| 00:58.06 | specing | there were some big promises being made 5 years ago |
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| 01:19.11 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 02:11.04 | nacelle | you can buy it now... |
| 02:11.12 | nacelle | its just not as fast as they claimed, etc. |
| 02:11.21 | nacelle | but its still reasonably wicked fast from my understanding |
| 02:11.35 | nacelle | i'm hoping to get some someday soon |
| 02:11.58 | freem | maybe you're not in the correct chan, nacelle? |
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| 02:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | freem: hmm? |
| 02:40.59 | freem | for? |
| 02:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the line above |
| 02:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I don't understand why this is wrong chan xpoint - maybe due to the fact I don't know what's xpoint |
| 02:43.04 | freem | 03:11:58 <freem> maybe you're not in the correct chan, nacelle? ? |
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| 02:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds more on topic than a lot of other threads in here |
| 02:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least judging from "intel and micron 3s" context |
| 02:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3d* |
| 02:45.20 | freem | I thought about that, because of the time delta |
| 02:45.51 | freem | the time delta made me thought, he or she must have typed in wrong window |
| 02:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much, so I hoped you recheck and notice it when I say "hmm?" |
| 02:49.09 | freem | 1H between the messages? |
| 02:49.43 | freem | I am sorry if I misbehaved, I intended to be helpful, in case it was an error? |
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| 02:55.41 | gnarface | freem: it's not uncommon for conversations to have large delays on irc |
| 02:59.44 | freem | true, but, I thought honestly that this was the wrong window. My error, I really apologize |
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| 03:21.20 | blop | o/ loving kernel 4.15. I can run rss-glx helios in software mode fullscreen, and with powersave bias set to 250 and up_threshold to 98, the cpu doesn't clock up and fan stays at lowest setting |
| 03:21.35 | blop | cpu went from 41 to 45 c |
| 03:23.09 | nacelle | freem: entirely meant for this channel |
| 03:23.24 | nacelle | freem: I keep the part/join messages off (like many others) for freenode channels |
| 03:23.31 | nacelle | the actualy discussion is sparse otherwise |
| 03:24.20 | nacelle | I've had several discussions that spanned hours if not days in a similar fashion |
| 03:24.42 | nacelle | which makes a lot of sense, lots of people doing there own thing and checking back in on freenode "every now and then" |
| 03:24.44 | freem | then I apologize |
| 03:24.50 | nacelle | eh no big |
| 03:25.17 | nacelle | now if someone wouldnt mind making devuan work with 32bit efi using the 64bit installer... that'd be nice. |
| 03:25.24 | freem | Sure, but it's important for me to say publicly when I'm wrong :) |
| 03:37.40 | fsmithred | nacelle, I experimented with putting grub-efi-ia32 on a live iso, and refractainstaller can handle it. |
| 03:38.04 | fsmithred | I haven't uploaded an iso yet, but soon (a refracta iso, not an official devuan iso) |
| 03:41.41 | nacelle | sweet I will look into this tonight |
| 03:41.55 | nacelle | i have a macbook 2,1 I want to run devuan on |
| 03:42.06 | fsmithred | you have a device that needs 32-bit grub? |
| 03:42.18 | nacelle | 32bit efi |
| 03:42.21 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 03:42.25 | nacelle | I have two |
| 03:42.36 | nacelle | 32bit efi with a 64bit cpu |
| 03:42.46 | fsmithred | I think it'll work. I don't have the right hardware to test it for real |
| 03:43.02 | fsmithred | but I did install a 64-bit devuan with 32-bit grub on my laptop |
| 03:43.03 | nacelle | do you have your instructions somewhere? |
| 03:43.19 | fsmithred | not yet |
| 03:43.20 | nacelle | saves me time and whatnot |
| 03:43.21 | nacelle | cool |
| 03:43.38 | fsmithred | well, instructions for refractainstaller, but it's changed a little since then |
| 03:43.41 | nacelle | i have a mac mini 1,1 converted to a 2,1 |
| 03:43.58 | nacelle | (and the macbook 2,1) |
| 03:44.01 | nacelle | they're both ancient |
| 03:44.04 | nacelle | like 10+ years old now |
| 03:44.14 | nacelle | the first era of apple's intel stuff uses 32bit efi |
| 03:44.22 | nacelle | and the second generation of it used 64bit cpus |
| 03:44.30 | nacelle | or can be upgraded in almost all cases afaik |
| 03:44.44 | nacelle | in any event, $30 for it, so.. hard to say no to |
| 03:45.06 | fsmithred | http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/readme.refractainstaller.txt |
| 03:45.35 | fsmithred | it installs the live system that's running |
| 03:46.09 | fsmithred | so what I've been doing is having grub-efi-amd64 installed, but include the debs for grub-pc (and now grub-efi-ia32) |
| 03:46.25 | fsmithred | and the installer will install the appropriate debs in a chroot |
| 03:46.49 | fsmithred | but for the ia32, I think you'll need to install the debs in the live system before you run the installer |
| 03:49.01 | fsmithred | actually, if you'd like to test this theory, I could upload an iso before I go to bed. |
| 03:54.39 | nacelle | sure |
| 03:56.07 | fsmithred | ok, it'll take a little while |
| 03:57.02 | fsmithred | here's another readme (work in progress): http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/uefi_install.readme |
| 03:59.19 | freem | nacelle, if I understand, the problem is to install a 32 bits version of an UEFI-able boot manager able to boot devuan? |
| 04:00.12 | fsmithred | 32-bit grub with 64-bit OS |
| 04:00.22 | fsmithred | and yeah, uefi |
| 04:00.37 | nacelle | the uefi portion has to be 32bit, which is tied into the boot manager forcing it to be 32bit afaik. the cpu can be either 32bit or 64bit, in this case I want it to be 64bit. |
| 04:00.53 | freem | I have no idea about the hardware you are trying to run onto, I can remember having built an usb hard disk able to boot on both BIOS and UEFI systems, with 32 and 64 variants of OSes |
| 04:01.05 | nacelle | https://mattgadient.com/2016/07/11/linux-dvd-images-and-how-to-for-32-bit-efi-macs-late-2006-models/ |
| 04:01.16 | nacelle | thats a list of the macs that are like this from that era |
| 04:01.30 | freem | on the other hand, I did not usedgrub |
| 04:01.54 | freem | if grub is a requirement, I can't help |
| 04:02.02 | fsmithred | give it about 15 minutes: http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/refracta-test-oblx-bpo-20180131_1933.iso |
| 04:04.43 | nacelle | cool will do, have to run to the store(s) (depending on stocks) for the wifi |
| 04:04.51 | nacelle | ehrm, wife eyes, I guess |
| 04:04.55 | fsmithred | run 'refractainstaller' |
| 04:05.00 | fsmithred | in root terminal |
| 04:06.00 | fsmithred | if you need it, username is user, pw is user, root pw is root |
| 04:06.49 | fsmithred | no display manager - use 'startx' |
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| 09:36.19 | nacelle | fsmithred: no go on being efi on this thing |
| 09:36.28 | nacelle | shrugs |
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| 11:26.05 | specing | nacelle: macbook 2,1 is supported in libreboot |
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| 13:39.29 | enyc | meeps |
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| 14:27.04 | fsmithred | nacelle, do you need grubia32.efi to boot it? |
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| 15:00.37 | ar-jan | Hello! Is anyone aware of email problems with dev1galaxy.org? |
| 15:01.50 | ar-jan | Not receiving password reset email, and cannot email the admin: "mailbox unavailable invalid DNS MX or A/AAAA resource record." |
| 15:02.29 | fromport | i just did a change email request and that arrived, so outgoing email works |
| 15:03.14 | ar-jan | hmm, then it may be specific to gmx DNS settings I guess |
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| 15:04.01 | fromport | You have requested to have a new password assigned to your account in the discussion forum at http://dev1galaxy.org/. If you didn't request this [SNIP] |
| 15:04.12 | fromport | password reset works for me (gmail) |
| 15:06.40 | ar-jan | I think my email provider gmx uses a strict dns check, the settings do have a problem: https://intodns.com/dev1galaxy.org |
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| 15:12.58 | fromport | when I check my domain it says i don't even have an mx record, yet I do receive email. I think intodns is a bit not accurate ;-) |
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| 15:20.40 | golinux | ar-jan: Please read this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=638 |
| 15:28.05 | ar-jan | But, my registration succeeded. I just didn't receive the email. |
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| 15:37.44 | ar-jan | I can't send email from gmail either: "The response from the remote server was: 554 5.7.1 <flux@dev1galaxy.org>: Recipient address rejected: Access denied" |
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| 17:13.34 | Vall | Hello everyone, specially gnarface and freem. I'm back to report on my experience with the non-LV RAM modules running on a LV-only Xeon mobo. |
| 17:13.55 | Vall | In short, it worked surprisingly well. |
| 17:14.50 | Vall | I did go though every page in the BIOS settings to try and customize its memory settings for non-LV, to no avail (there was nothing remotely like it). |
| 17:17.22 | Vall | But the RAM was entirely recognized (the full 4x8= 32GB of it) and correctly listed, including its brand/model/specs data. It was all listed, and correctly listed, in the BIOS and in MEMTEST 5.01 main page, which I ran right after going through the BIOS settings. |
| 17:18.35 | Vall | the BIOS settings also had an "Error Manager" page (which I understand lists the system log on serious hardware errors, including but not limited to ECC problems) and it was listing *no* errors the whole time. |
| 17:18.59 | Vall | I was able to boot sysresccd (my preferred testing media) successfully and no errors were seen. |
| 17:20.35 | Vall | I ran MEMTEST 5.01 twice. |
| 17:21.21 | Vall | The first time was entirely on its defaults. ie, single-threading, for about half an hour, which resulted on 30% of the first pass (too little, I know, but I was under time pressure due to a programmed electrical blackout for maintenance purposes on the office building the machine is at), with no issues reported. |
| 17:22.48 | Vall | Accessing the "Error Manager" page on the BIOS settings right afterward also showed no errors, as expected. |
| 17:24.03 | Vall | The second time I ran MEMTEST 5.01, I explicitly selected multithreading (by pressing F2 right after it started) and then the machine locked up entirely (needed a hardware RESET) when it was around 20% testing. |
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| 17:24.50 | Vall | But again accessing the "Error Manager" page on the BIOS settings right afterwards, it showed NO errors. So I'm not sure that lockup was in any way related to any possible LV/non-LV RAM issues. |
| 17:25.32 | Vall | I plan on resuming testing (and putting the machine through a serious, in-depth burn-in) next Monday, when AC power in the building will be back., |
| 17:25.47 | Vall | Anyone cares to comment on the MEMTEST multthreaded lockup? |
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| 18:41.00 | mns` | 1788 upgraded, 942 newly installed, 112 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 18:41.02 | mns` | Need to get 0 B/1,879 MB of archives. |
| 18:41.03 | mns` | After this operation, 2,032 MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 18:41.05 | mns` | Reading changelogs... 65% |
| 18:41.06 | mns` | jessie to ascii |
| 18:41.08 | mns` | :D |
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| 20:12.15 | nacelle | fsmithred: yes |
| 20:12.19 | nacelle | specing: will look at it, thank you! |
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| 21:03.08 | ar-jan | Wondering, what is the status of Ascii? Is it usable already, or too early? |
| 21:08.24 | ThurahT | its mature and ageing |
| 21:08.30 | ThurahT | works very well |
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| 21:17.08 | ar-jan_ | That's good to hear. So no known big problems that might be showstoppers for upgrading? |
| 21:18.16 | Chanku | It's works rather well, albeit I will note that I have had some issues, albeit it could just be because my upgrade was rather rocky due to my own fault (IIRC) |
| 21:20.43 | ar-jan_ | I guess I'll make a full system backup and give the upgrade a try then. |
| 21:21.30 | Chanku | To be fair, it could also be due to lingering issues from a while ago when I accidentally deleted /usr/bin |
| 21:22.00 | ThurahT | ar-jan_: follow these guides |
| 21:22.03 | ThurahT | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ |
| 21:22.27 | Chanku | So I would argue my issue was a bit of an anomaly |
| 21:22.43 | Chanku | (It was also several months ago, back in October or so IIRC, and things have gotten better) |
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| 21:26.59 | ar-jan_ | I'll let y'all know how it goes. |
| 21:31.03 | ar-jan_ | Another thing, I got this upon installing apt-transport-https: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! apt-transport-https" |
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| 21:40.45 | ar-jan_ | Oh never mind that. Found the reason https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/175773 |
| 21:45.15 | KatolaZ | ar-jan_: need to install the new devuan-keyring first |
| 21:45.20 | KatolaZ | apt-get install devuan-keyring |
| 22:03.48 | gnarface | Vall: alarming, but is that the latest memtest version? |
| 22:04.33 | gnarface | Vall: memtest has some extended tests (bit-fade, and something else) that aren't enabled by default because they take WAY longer. if you have time, they might be worth running too, NOT in threaded mode |
| 22:05.37 | gnarface | Vall: your bios doesn't sound very featureful either, but it might be worth checking for "ganged" vs "unganged" ram bank modes in there. i'm guessing if you can't set the voltage it won't include controls for that either, but sometimes you can have issues based on using the wrong mode if your ram isn't in the right slots |
| 22:06.08 | Vall | Hello again Gnarface, and thanks for chiming in. To answer your question: not sure, it was in the latest sysresccd+zfs I downloaded (dated about 3 weeks ago) |
| 22:06.20 | gnarface | oh, well should be pretty new, but i'm not sure |
| 22:06.32 | Vall | lemme check |
| 22:06.36 | gnarface | tangentially related; make sure the ram is in the right banks |
| 22:06.48 | gnarface | usually there will be 2 banks of ram on a 4-dimm motherboard |
| 22:07.00 | gnarface | the manual should specify which slots combinations are valid |
| 22:07.10 | Vall | BrB |
| 22:18.32 | gnarface | Vall: if you have for example 2 matched dimms, it usually wants one in the first slot of each bank, but there's no real standard on whether the banks are ordered "1a 2a 1b 2b" or "1a 1b 2a 2b" |
| 22:19.14 | gnarface | memory controllers may not be always picky enough to complain about invalid combinations; sometimes they just work with degraded performance or sporadic timing issues |
| 22:20.41 | gnarface | all that said, i haven't tested that feature of memtest that i can recall. i don't remember ever seeing that, so it may be a new feature that is of suspect stability in and of itself. (or this may just be the type of very rare failure you're gonna see if you're running 1.5v ram at only 1.35v - but i'm hoping it turns out to be memtest's fault) |
| 22:22.24 | gnarface | you might want to also consider lowering the cpu clock speed from max |
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| 22:22.58 | gnarface | i did have one damaged cpu that was only unstable at full clock speed and high load |
| 22:23.16 | gnarface | but still so very stable that it would pass a memtest and even stay up reliably for a year at a time |
| 22:23.43 | gnarface | once i hooked up temperature sensor polling to logging though, it wouldn't stay live for more than a few days |
| 22:23.50 | gnarface | so that was weird |
| 22:23.56 | gnarface | but yea, no problems at half clock speed |
| 22:24.05 | gnarface | i thought it was everything but the cpu |
| 22:24.55 | gnarface | and when i figured out it was the cpu, i thought of course it must be temperature problems (hence the sensor polling) but turns out it was just faulty from the manufacturer, probably |
| 22:25.06 | gnarface | (i had bought it as returned on discount) |
| 22:38.54 | paradigm | Should there be a http://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/stable-security ? I see ascii-security and jessie-security and from Debian I'm used to the "stable" alias being an option in sources.list |
| 22:39.55 | gnarface | paradigm: "stable" is still jessie, in devuan. which is a good reason why you shouldn't do that. |
| 22:40.13 | paradigm | hmm |
| 22:40.27 | gnarface | i mean, i'm pretty sure there is a jessie-security |
| 22:40.35 | gnarface | you might be right that there's a bug there |
| 22:40.46 | gnarface | but you should not use "stable" literally |
| 22:40.59 | gnarface | because if it changes when you're not paying attention it could ruin your day |
| 22:41.15 | golinux | Yes always use the release name in the repo address |
| 22:41.59 | paradigm | I'll make a point to do that going forward |
| 22:47.54 | KatolaZ | paradigm: ? |
| 22:48.02 | KatolaZ | you should use codenames |
| 22:48.27 | paradigm | So I've been told |
| 22:48.39 | KatolaZ | good |
| 22:48.41 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 22:49.17 | paradigm | I still think either the stable alias should not exist at all - to discourage people from using it - or stable-security should be aliased appropriately |
| 22:50.34 | KatolaZ | paradigm: we advertise codenames everywhere |
| 22:50.50 | blop | Package libpng12-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:50.51 | KatolaZ | you don't have any reference to "stable" or "testing" anywhere in the documentation |
| 22:51.12 | KatolaZ | blop: uh? |
| 22:51.12 | blop | ascii.. i have libpng-dev though |
| 22:51.53 | blop | ok nvm |
| 22:52.03 | KatolaZ | blop: must be a dep coming from jessie |
| 22:52.04 | blop | sorry for confusion - ignore |
| 22:52.12 | KatolaZ | np :) |
| 22:53.42 | blop | btw if anyone is playing with qt5 - this appears to be helpful to customize your themes https://www.pcsuggest.com/qt5ct-change-qt5-application-style/ |
| 22:58.06 | blop | not building here though |
| 22:59.20 | golinux | Hmm . . . interesting. I tend to do it the old fashioned way though . . . |
| 22:59.34 | blop | i just want dark colors for otter browser |
| 22:59.41 | blop | don't want to spend all night on this |
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| 23:00.13 | blop | much errors building qt5ct |
| 23:01.11 | golinux | OMG! I spent months on the darkpurpy theme to get it just right. |
| 23:01.31 | blop | will it work for qt5 app? |
| 23:01.54 | golinux | Probably not. It's GTK2 and 3 |
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| 23:07.18 | blop | pulled the -lGLESv2 ld flag and seems to be building |
| 23:16.46 | blop | qt5ct_0.34-2_armhf.deb built |
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| 23:47.08 | mns` | [mns@tux ~]$ cat /etc/issue |
| 23:47.10 | mns` | Devuan GNU/Linux ascii/ceres \n \l |
| 23:47.30 | mns` | jessie -> ascii done |
| 23:49.01 | mns` | so far so good |
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