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| 00:31.23 | MinceR | are there any ascii installer isos somewhere? |
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| 00:46.37 | golinux | MinceR: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/ |
| 00:54.41 | MinceR | thx |
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| 01:21.54 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 02:16.29 | VH | Hello I have question about sources.list on devuan jessie |
| 02:17.46 | VH | On debian, in order to get packages that are not completely FOSS, you add contrib and non-free repositories in sources.list |
| 02:18.17 | VH | but when I looked at source list for devuan, I am not sure what to do. |
| 02:20.23 | VH | I am talking about this site: https://www.devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:21.41 | VH | is "backport" and "experimental" in devuan similar as "contrib" "non-free" or something else completely? |
| 02:22.45 | VH | I am trying to add additional font, media codec and other software packages on my machine. In order to do that, I need to add repositories that are not completely FOSS |
| 02:22.54 | VH | Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 02:23.24 | blinkdog | Hi VH. backport and experimental are different than contrib non-free etc |
| 02:23.45 | VH | Hello again blinkdog. I see. |
| 02:24.09 | blinkdog | backport is when a future version of something is made available to an earlier release |
| 02:24.35 | blinkdog | for example, if foo v4 was the latest when Devuan Jessie came out, then you might find foo v5 in the backport repository |
| 02:25.01 | VH | What should I do in order to add contrib & non-free repository? Because on Devuan site it says that I should not mix with Debian repository in sources.list |
| 02:25.01 | blinkdog | it's the later version of foo that is compiled/packaged to be compatible with Devuan Jessie |
| 02:25.09 | VH | I see. |
| 02:25.32 | blinkdog | so when they mean "don't mix Debian repository" they mean, use pkgmaster.devuan.org but DON'T add Debian hostnames |
| 02:25.51 | blinkdog | because you'll start using their repos, which might pull in systemd and systemd depending packages |
| 02:26.07 | blinkdog | you can just add "contrib" "non-free" at the end |
| 02:26.12 | blinkdog | like you would for Debian |
| 02:26.30 | blinkdog | as long as the beginning is pkgmaster.devuan.org it's OK, because it's still the Devuan repos |
| 02:26.34 | blinkdog | just different sections |
| 02:27.33 | blinkdog | you can use our contrib and non-free ... just not Debian's ;-) |
| 02:28.22 | VH | so would it look something like this, "deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan jessie contrib" ? |
| 02:30.27 | VH | By the way, I installed virtualbox on my machine and added this line to sources.list |
| 02:30.29 | VH | deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jessie contrib |
| 02:30.57 | VH | it has word debian on it. So should I change it to word devuan? |
| 02:31.22 | VH | sorry if I am not making sense because this is all new to me. |
| 02:31.22 | blinkdog | yeah, those should be OK ... no, don't change debian there because it's part of the URL (where virtualbox.org decided to put their files) |
| 02:31.40 | VH | oh ok. |
| 02:31.45 | blinkdog | virtualbox.org probably didn't make a special place for Devuan .. maybe we'll convince them in the future :-) |
| 02:32.52 | blinkdog | This one can work too: deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged jessie main contrib non-free |
| 02:33.02 | VH | so if I install a package named thispackage1 and it also says that it wants me to add http://www.thispackage1.com/debian somthing then I should leave word debian alone |
| 02:33.08 | VH | I see |
| 02:33.12 | VH | Thanks. |
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| 02:33.53 | blinkdog | Well, if you add custom repositories like that (like the Virtualbox one) there is a risk you'll pull in a package that isn't totally compatible with Devuan |
| 02:34.13 | VH | huh |
| 02:34.17 | VH | of course... |
| 02:34.19 | blinkdog | some things it'll make no difference; Devuan is mostly Debian |
| 02:34.55 | blinkdog | other things the package may specify a dependency like systemd, but Devuan won't be able to find systemd in its repos (this is by design), so the package might not install |
| 02:35.17 | VH | so you never know that is. And I have to take the risk of something is going wrong when I use it, but since devuan is mostly debian, just use it I guess. |
| 02:35.50 | blinkdog | Yeah. It's best to check if the package is already in the Devuan repo |
| 02:36.18 | blinkdog | if it is, it's best to use that one, unless you really can't live without some feature |
| 02:36.57 | blinkdog | There are commands to help show you where packages are coming from, but I'm not such an expert at them |
| 02:37.23 | VH | well I'll search it on internet. |
| 02:37.56 | blinkdog | fsmithred or KatolaZ would probably know off the top of their heads, but I'm like you, I'd need to search for it |
| 02:38.10 | VH | Ok. |
| 02:38.20 | VH | That's it for now I suppose. |
| 02:38.26 | blinkdog | OK |
| 02:38.53 | VH | Again, thanks a lot for your help! Appreciate much. |
| 02:38.57 | VH | Bye. |
| 02:39.09 | fsmithred | --simulate |
| 02:39.18 | VH | huh? |
| 02:39.26 | fsmithred | apt-get -s install foo |
| 02:39.28 | VH | OH!' |
| 02:39.34 | fsmithred | will tell you what it wants to do |
| 02:39.43 | VH | THANKS! |
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| 02:39.57 | VH | Great. Thanks a lot. |
| 02:39.58 | fsmithred | (how not to burn your hand) |
| 02:40.41 | VH | ok thank you. goodbye. |
| 02:40.44 | fsmithred | bye |
| 02:40.50 | fsmithred | have fun |
| 02:42.09 | fsmithred | how do I use apt-transport-tor? I first installed apt-transport-https and changed sources to https. All was good. Then I added apt-transport-tor and changed to onion address. I can't update the cache due to errors. |
| 02:43.14 | fsmithred | If I just run apt-get update, I get: W: Failed to fetch tor+https://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/dists/ascii/InRelease Can't complete SOCKS5 connection to 0.0.0.0:0. |
| 02:45.19 | fsmithred | and running 'torsocks --shell' followed by apt-get update also gives me "failed to fetch" along with "FailReason: ConnectionRefused" |
| 02:47.17 | blinkdog | hmmm, seems like that address might not be working |
| 02:47.33 | fsmithred | you tried it? |
| 02:47.49 | blinkdog | try this https://onion.casa/ |
| 02:48.33 | blinkdog | oh, hey it works |
| 02:48.49 | blinkdog | so the onion address is OK, but your connection to tor isn't working |
| 02:49.35 | blinkdog | this is probably a stupid question, but did you apt-get install tor at all? |
| 02:49.49 | fsmithred | Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?) |
| 02:49.59 | fsmithred | no |
| 02:50.13 | fsmithred | it is installed |
| 02:51.13 | fsmithred | do I need to do some configuration, or does this normall work ootb? |
| 02:52.00 | blinkdog | GPG says: gpg: requesting key 61FC752C from hkp server keys.gnupg.net |
| 02:52.00 | blinkdog | gpg: key 61FC752C: public key "Devuan Repository (Amprolla3 on Nemesis) <repository@devuan.org>" imported |
| 02:53.10 | blinkdog | as far as I know it should work ootb |
| 02:53.13 | blinkdog | lemme see |
| 02:55.21 | fsmithred | I do have that key |
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| 02:58.04 | blinkdog | ah ha! the magic incantation is: torify wget https://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/dists/ascii/InRelease |
| 02:58.28 | blinkdog | well, maybe.. at least for me it didn't fail immediately |
| 02:58.34 | blinkdog | it hasn't succeeded yet either though :-( |
| 02:59.08 | fsmithred | connection refused |
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| 03:09.51 | blinkdog | Wow, okay, I'm a little shocked at how hard it is to make this work |
| 03:11.36 | fsmithred | I saw two sets of instructions for doing this on debian, and there was no setup involved. |
| 03:11.53 | fsmithred | install, change sources and run |
| 03:16.53 | blinkdog | oh, OK |
| 03:17.04 | blinkdog | what does echo $http_proxy give you? |
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| 03:19.16 | blinkdog | Interesting, torify wget http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/dists/ascii/InRelease works just fine, but https does not |
| 03:23.57 | fsmithred | oh, that worked here, too |
| 03:24.16 | fsmithred | but apt-get update still doesn't work |
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| 04:20.09 | blinkdog | it's the tor+https if you change that sources line to tor+http it works |
| 04:20.32 | blinkdog | and if you look on our devuan page, it's that way too (tor+http): https://devuan.org/ |
| 04:21.04 | fsmithred | oh, I changed https:// to http:// |
| 04:22.02 | blinkdog | and your apt-get update still doesn't work? |
| 04:23.49 | fsmithred | I'm lost |
| 04:23.59 | fsmithred | deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie main |
| 04:24.11 | fsmithred | that's what I copied from devuan.org |
| 04:24.19 | fsmithred | I've tried it with jessie and with ascii |
| 04:24.36 | fsmithred | took the -updates and -security, too |
| 04:25.17 | fsmithred | and I tried the one you gave me, with and without the s |
| 04:25.40 | blinkdog | and has that sources line worked for you, with jessie and/or ascii? |
| 04:26.01 | fsmithred | no |
| 04:26.15 | fsmithred | looks like it's working now |
| 04:26.17 | blinkdog | See I just got a fresh Jessie VM to use tor+http without trouble |
| 04:27.03 | fsmithred | tor+http://onion.casa/merged ascii is working |
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| 04:30.06 | fsmithred | W: The repository 'tor+http://onion.casa/merged ascii Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 04:30.49 | blinkdog | oh sorry, I think I said something confusing |
| 04:31.15 | blinkdog | the onion.casa thing is a normal -> Tor gateway site, so you can use a regular old http to pull something out of the tor network |
| 04:31.37 | blinkdog | i used it to check to see if that devuan onion address was reachable in the tor network |
| 04:32.11 | blinkdog | (i.e.: ignore any local configuration f***-ups, just check tor) |
| 04:32.30 | fsmithred | oh |
| 04:33.02 | blinkdog | I was able to get the InRelease file from that and the signature checked out with that key I mentioned |
| 04:33.14 | blinkdog | so I was trying to make tor+https work, thinking that was the thing |
| 04:33.23 | blinkdog | then I double checked, and it's just tor+http |
| 04:33.34 | blinkdog | once I used that line, now everything works for me with apt-get update |
| 04:33.40 | fsmithred | wouldn't it make more sense for it to be https? |
| 04:35.26 | blinkdog | probably, but I'm not sure if it's supported by that apt-transport-tor or not |
| 04:40.32 | blinkdog | oh oh oh ... I think apt-transport-tor supports https, but, I'm not sure our onion site is configured for it |
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| 22:23.58 | quiquedomonte | hi |
| 22:24.11 | NewGnuGuy | yo |
| 22:30.43 | quiquedomonte | I have a problem with a recently installation of Devuan |
| 22:30.58 | quiquedomonte | maybe anyone can help me? |
| 22:31.46 | gnarface | quiquedomonte: it is customary to specify the actual problem before asking |
| 22:32.25 | quiquedomonte | Yeah, The problem is with the desktop environment, when I type "startx" it freezes the screen |
| 22:32.35 | gnarface | well that's bad |
| 22:32.49 | gnarface | which video card? |
| 22:33.11 | quiquedomonte | I've installed 3 times, and the last one, I've installed it without DE |
| 22:33.33 | gnarface | yea, that was a waste of time, this isn't windows |
| 22:33.42 | gnarface | you should have asked right away |
| 22:33.47 | quiquedomonte | It's an old PC, The graphic card is AMD/ATI Rage 128 PRO AGP 4x |
| 22:34.13 | quiquedomonte | I know this is not windows |
| 22:34.20 | gnarface | can you go into more detail about the freeze? does it just go black? does the text stay on the screen? does the desktop actually render first? any mouse movement? |
| 22:34.54 | gnarface | by any chance did you pick KDE as the desktop? |
| 22:35.29 | gnarface | it's important to find out if the whole machine froze or if it's just Xorg; see if you can "ctrl+alt+F2" out to a virtual console after it freezes |
| 22:35.31 | quiquedomonte | It freezes and the only tihing I can do is puss the reset button of the computer. Keyboard don't work, mouse don't work, |
| 22:35.43 | quiquedomonte | push* |
| 22:36.04 | quiquedomonte | no, I wanted to install a light DE like openbox |
| 22:36.14 | gnarface | did you try these sequences? ctrl+alt+f2 alt+printscreen+R+E+I+S+U+B |
| 22:36.30 | quiquedomonte | I can't, keyboard don't work after freezed |
| 22:36.34 | quiquedomonte | freezes* |
| 22:37.06 | gnarface | just because it doesn't type on the screen doesn't mean it's not listening |
| 22:37.14 | quiquedomonte | If I enter on CLI, I have no problem, but when I type "startx" is when I have the problem |
| 22:37.17 | gnarface | Xorg can be frozen with or without freezing the I/O |
| 22:38.08 | quiquedomonte | well, when the screen freezes, keyboard don't rule, I've just tried with another keyboard and the same result |
| 22:38.14 | gnarface | see if the Xorg.0.log has a clue |
| 22:38.24 | quiquedomonte | Maybe I could try with another graphic card... |
| 22:38.36 | gnarface | if you have the option to ssh in from another machine, or even ping it while frozen, that may also be a valuable clue |
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| 22:38.59 | gnarface | another graphic card is unlikely to be necessary unless that one is actually faulty |
| 22:39.01 | gnarface | it's known to work |
| 22:39.26 | gnarface | what's more likely is you're running into a compositing problem |
| 22:39.31 | gnarface | or a power management problem |
| 22:39.47 | gnarface | (again - assuming it's not dead vram or something like that) |
| 22:39.51 | quiquedomonte | Well, I'll try with Xorg.o.log |
| 22:40.54 | gnarface | is the rest of the machine as old as the video card? |
| 22:41.11 | gnarface | there are other possibilities |
| 22:41.32 | gnarface | i didn't give you a set of random guesses; i gave you a checklist of things i need to know to narrow in on the problem for you, just fyi |
| 22:41.32 | quiquedomonte | No, I think the machine is newer than the video card |
| 22:41.37 | g4570n | if you try to load the system from a live cd / usb, does the video work? |
| 22:41.57 | quiquedomonte | yes, It works well |
| 22:42.06 | gnarface | if you ignore parts of my suggestions, or even just don't report everything i ask, it significantly limits my ability to help deductively |
| 22:42.29 | quiquedomonte | I'm looking the log Xorg.0.log |
| 22:42.47 | quiquedomonte | sorry, I'm looking the other computer |
| 22:42.50 | gnarface | if it's a newer machine and you're using jessie, there is also a potential for kernel problems |
| 22:43.19 | gnarface | but if it turns out to be a kernel issue, there's a newer kernel available in backports that should work for the known issues (something wrong with Intel Skylake hardware, i don't really know what) |
| 22:44.09 | quiquedomonte | There is something in that log that repeats a lot: |
| 22:44.21 | quiquedomonte | Idle timed out, resetting engine... |
| 22:44.25 | gnarface | hmmmm |
| 22:44.38 | gnarface | might be related, not sure |
| 22:44.44 | quiquedomonte | R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE stop -9 |
| 22:44.54 | gnarface | pay special attention to any lines with (EE) on them |
| 22:44.58 | quiquedomonte | R128CCEWaitForIdle start -9 |
| 22:45.04 | gnarface | we're mostly looking for "(EE)" |
| 22:45.08 | quiquedomonte | yes, this 3 lines are EE |
| 22:45.26 | gnarface | does it say it's loading the r128 driver, or some framebuffer driver? |
| 22:45.29 | gnarface | or maybe vesa? |
| 22:45.48 | gnarface | i'm not familiar with openbox so i don't know if it enables compositing by default |
| 22:45.51 | quiquedomonte | I don't know, maybe it will try to load driver again and again |
| 22:46.05 | gnarface | can you pastebin the log? |
| 22:46.43 | quiquedomonte | No, I'm writting u from another computer |
| 22:47.11 | gnarface | well, you could try another window manager just to be sure |
| 22:47.15 | gnarface | blackbox should work with everything |
| 22:47.57 | gnarface | and e17 will ask you whether you want to enable compositing the first time you start it, so you can say no, or just tell it to use cpu instead of opengl |
| 22:48.33 | quiquedomonte | The problem is not the kind of DE, in the first installation, I choose Mate, on the second XFCE, and the problem was the same |
| 22:48.38 | gnarface | it's an old enough video card there really shouldn't be many things that could be a problem |
| 22:48.46 | gnarface | the drivers should be pretty stable for that card by now |
| 22:49.11 | quiquedomonte | I think is the driver. I'll try with anoter one. Thanks for your help |
| 22:49.25 | gnarface | alright, well good luck... |
| 22:49.48 | quiquedomonte | Another thing, the same video card works fine on Debian 8.3, installed on another partition on the same machine |
| 22:49.51 | gnarface | i think your testing methodology lacks scientific rigor but if you have other video cards to test you might as well try it |
| 22:50.21 | gnarface | the devuan and debian kernels are literally the same |
| 22:50.39 | quiquedomonte | I'm just wanted to try devuan in that computer, that's all |
| 22:50.48 | gnarface | but i'm telling you that's a big deal |
| 22:50.56 | gnarface | if it works in debian it should work in devuan unless you did something wrong |
| 22:51.09 | gnarface | usually a permissions error... |
| 22:51.16 | gnarface | this doesn't sound like that but i dunno |
| 22:51.25 | gnarface | you didn't mix any 3rd party repos or packages in, did you? |
| 22:51.48 | gnarface | if you have a static xorg.conf for that debian box, maybe copy it over |
| 22:51.50 | quiquedomonte | No, I didn't do anything except the basic installation from a CDROM |
| 22:52.03 | quiquedomonte | mmmm that's a good idea! |
| 22:52.24 | gnarface | that should also cover "loading the wrong driver" problems |
| 22:54.07 | gnarface | auto-detect fails in all kinds of bizarre ways, i've found |
| 22:54.35 | gnarface | but also, systemd gives permission to everything by default to whatever user happens to be logged in |
| 22:55.03 | gnarface | sysvinit doesn't do that, so it's common for users to run into problems by forgetting to add themselves to certain key groups like "video", "audio" and "input" |
| 22:55.36 | golinux | quiquedomonte: Maybe you could try to boot one of the desktop-live isos to see if your graphics work there. |
| 22:55.53 | golinux | If they do you could install from that iso. |
| 22:56.21 | gnarface | golinux: he managed a text-mode install, he just can't get Xorg working |
| 22:56.29 | golinux | And you are on Devuan Jessie, right? |
| 22:56.45 | gnarface | quiquedomonte: ^ |
| 22:56.50 | golinux | If the live-disk works it's not his hardware. |
| 22:56.59 | gnarface | well he also says it works in debian |
| 22:57.14 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 22:57.19 | quiquedomonte | yes, devuan jessie |
| 22:57.25 | gnarface | quiquedomonte: on the debian install, are you using the stock kernel there, or a backport kernel? |
| 22:57.39 | golinux | If he used the net install . . . it is a bit crippled. |
| 22:58.03 | golinux | If he's on ascii he needs a window manager for X to work. |
| 22:58.18 | quiquedomonte | i've just downloaded an iso image and burn it on a cdrom |
| 22:58.27 | quiquedomonte | from the official webpage |
| 22:58.53 | golinux | Good! Hope that can eliminate some possibilities |
| 22:59.30 | golinux | You downloaded from here? |
| 22:59.35 | golinux | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/desktop-live/ |
| 23:00.40 | quiquedomonte | No, it was from here |
| 23:00.41 | quiquedomonte | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/ |
| 23:02.12 | gnarface | those should be fine too |
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| 23:02.32 | gnarface | quiquedomonte: you updated when it was finished installing, right? |
| 23:02.37 | quiquedomonte | yes |
| 23:02.42 | gnarface | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
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| 23:03.16 | quiquedomonte | yes |
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| 23:03.54 | quiquedomonte | This is the iso I have: https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_CD.iso |
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| 23:12.39 | quiquedomonte | It works with another video card. |
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| 23:14.40 | quiquedomonte | Thanks for your help! |
| 23:14.48 | golinux | As I said above . . . the CD iso is a bit crippled. |
| 23:15.40 | quiquedomonte | what's the meaning of crippled? |
| 23:16.01 | golinux | It is very minimal to fit in a CD. The desktop-live would allow you to boot into a working system from the iso to check you video hardware. |
| 23:16.19 | fsmithred | quiquedomonte, did you use a network mirror when you installed? |
| 23:16.37 | quiquedomonte | maybe, I don't remember |
| 23:16.41 | golinux | Well at one point it required a wired connection. |
| 23:16.56 | golinux | https://mirror.leaseweb.com |
| 23:17.09 | quiquedomonte | I'm connected with a wire, that's not the problem |
| 23:17.15 | golinux | And the applications included are minimal. |
| 23:17.16 | fsmithred | ok |
| 23:17.25 | fsmithred | then it doesn't matter that you used the CD |
| 23:17.34 | quiquedomonte | Don't worry, I've change video card and now it works |
| 23:17.44 | quiquedomonte | thanks |
| 23:17.46 | fsmithred | if it was a network install, you should have gotten everything |
| 23:17.49 | golinux | Hardware can be a bitch |
| 23:18.00 | quiquedomonte | yes, I know |
| 23:20.10 | gnarface | he installed from CD though, not a netinstall disk |
| 23:21.16 | quiquedomonte | yes, It was from CD |
| 23:21.44 | fsmithred | but if you choose a network mirror you get everything from the repo (except the installer bits) |
| 23:22.24 | fsmithred | quiquedomonte, run this: |
| 23:22.36 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |wc -l |
| 23:22.59 | fsmithred | it'll tell how many packages are installed |
| 23:23.09 | fsmithred | should be more than 1400 |
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