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| 00:19.27 | sokan | Is there any ETA on ascii? |
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| 00:23.53 | sokan | also refracta is a fork of devuan iirc right? |
| 00:25.46 | fsmithred | refracta is a re-spin of devuan that used to be a re-spin of debian |
| 00:26.27 | fsmithred | there are two refracta9 (ascii) no-X isos and one i386 with xfce so far |
| 00:26.35 | fsmithred | amd64 will be sometime soon |
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| 00:36.34 | sokan | 's head spins. |
| 00:37.24 | sokan | For devuan i just need to use the .iso i get from the devuan site though right? |
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| 00:42.25 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.57 | fsmithred | there are no devuan ascii isos yet |
| 00:43.14 | fsmithred | a few derivative distros do have ascii isos |
| 00:43.39 | fsmithred | and you can do a debootstrap install of pure devuan ascii |
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| 01:18.57 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 06:31.15 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 06:31.33 | AlexLikeRock | Apache Symlinks Not Working |
| 06:31.36 | AlexLikeRock | error 404 |
| 06:31.38 | AlexLikeRock | any idea ? |
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| 07:07.36 | enyc | AlexLikeRock: there is some htaccess//setting for FollowSymLinks or somesuch iirc |
| 07:08.05 | enyc | AlexLikeRock: also, can the user-account that apache runs-as *actually* *read* the file linked to, does it have permission all the way up the chain and so forth? |
| 07:08.42 | enyc | AlexLikeRock: does /var/log/apache2/error.log [or equivalent for the relevant site] give clue? |
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| 07:43.34 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 07:43.41 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.41 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.57 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.58 | AlexLikeRock | yes, they have permision at remote folder |
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| 07:46.02 | AlexLikeRock | noting new at |
| 07:47.17 | AlexLikeRock | log |
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| 08:33.31 | AlexLikeRock | thaller_, bad ping |
| 08:33.58 | AlexLikeRock | every 5 minutes you fallen |
| 08:34.25 | thaller_ | AlexLikeRock, that's true. why? |
| 08:34.54 | AlexLikeRock | your bad conexion of internet ... |
| 08:34.59 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.51 | thaller_ | hm. I try disabling IPv6 :) |
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| 11:15.02 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 11:15.11 | AlexLikeRock | any one awaky ? |
| 11:20.38 | djph | maybe? |
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| 11:56.25 | sokan | fsmithred, I want to install devuan, not derivatives. I was just curious about ascii, since it's going to be the 1st "pure" devuan release. Well, name-wise pure anyway. :P |
| 11:57.01 | KatolaZ | sokan: ascii has not been released as yet |
| 11:58.58 | AlexLikeRock | sokan, but its usable ;-) |
| 11:59.37 | sokan | :D |
| 12:00.04 | sokan | Any massive crashing on it so far? |
| 12:00.20 | KatolaZ | sokan: ? |
| 12:00.22 | sokan | and thanks for info KatolaZ AlexLikeRock |
| 12:00.31 | KatolaZ | massive crashing of what? |
| 12:01.18 | sokan | ascii. Provided it ain't released yet, but usable, I thought that ascii might cause some crash of the OS or something... |
| 12:01.25 | sokan | Could assume wrongly though :( |
| 12:02.04 | KatolaZ | sokan: it depends on what is a crash for you |
| 12:02.49 | sokan | Hmmm. Well, something that will require of me to re-install it from scratch. |
| 12:03.21 | KatolaZ | sokan: there is a lot of people running ascii out there |
| 12:03.27 | KatolaZ | and you don't imagine how many servers |
| 12:04.15 | sokan | I'm really glad to hear that :D |
| 12:04.34 | sokan | Well then, you'll soon add one more to them! |
| 12:05.51 | AlexLikeRock | of course |
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| 12:15.53 | enyc | sokan: there seem to be many niggles desktop-wise, at least... dbus finally been changed recently, might help some of them. |
| 12:17.44 | sokan | They way I have it in my head is to be able to use it headless. Or at best with i3 wm. Hopefully I'll be able to pull it off that way. And by referring to niggles, what exactly do you mean? |
| 12:17.49 | sokan | enyc, ^ |
| 12:18.20 | enyc | sokan: apparently there may be relevant discussions on devuan-dev and some other mailing-lists. |
| 12:19.11 | enyc | sokan: for example, trouble with mounting crypted disks, and automounting usb disks, e.g. using "stock mate desktop", permission-errors and failures. working in debian stretch even booted with sysvinit ... |
| 12:19.27 | enyc | sure i've had some other issues |
| 12:19.39 | enyc | but not kept clear tabs, now booted in jessie disk at the moment! |
| 12:19.58 | sokan | Ok enyc. Thanks for the heads up :) |
| 12:20.25 | enyc | sokan: i'm also wondering if recent changes + "clean install" ascii might fix them |
| 12:21.01 | AlexLikeRock | what its better local mail |
| 12:21.03 | enyc | sokan: it would be good to have beta-image an a full test-set / regression-analysis to look for all the niggles that have been muted/mentioned all over place, those "in the know" suggest a pile of test-cases to people etc. |
| 12:22.17 | AlexLikeRock | localhost ---> gmail(spam-folder<no matter> ) |
| 12:22.46 | AlexLikeRock | exim ? posrfix? |
| 12:23.16 | enyc | AlexLikeRock: as soon as system sends its' own mail, how its' attached to nework/FcRDNS/IP-address-range etc is crucial. |
| 12:23.47 | AlexLikeRock | do you have a manual ? |
| 12:27.03 | enyc | AlexLikeRock: no... sending mail directly to internet at large is a black-art of sorts ! =) maybe somebody HAS described what to do somewhere? |
| 12:27.27 | enyc | AlexLikeRock: in a lot of cases, sending outgoing mail via "smarthost" is right thing to do |
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| 15:57.37 | unixman | Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 03:31:15 -0900 (AKST) |
| 15:57.37 | unixman | rsync: failed to connect to files.devuan.org (104.236.249.173): Operation timed out (60) |
| 15:57.42 | unixman | :( |
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| 19:34.18 | msiism | does anyone know a text editor that can be configured to automatically break lines at 80 (or 72) columns? |
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| 19:39.36 | fsmithred | msiism, geany has a vertical line at column 72 (configurable) so you can see where to put the line break, but it won't put it there for you. |
| 19:42.03 | gnarface | https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FillParagraph |
| 19:42.24 | gnarface | https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FillParagraph#toc2 actually |
| 19:43.28 | gnarface | but for whatever it's worth, pretty much every email client will also do this |
| 19:43.40 | msiism | fsmithred: ok. medit and pluma have that as well and, like geany, aren't able to automatically break lines (afaik) |
| 19:44.09 | msiism | gnarface: thanks. well, you might not be dealing with e-mail and still want that |
| 19:44.45 | gnarface | every question of the form "can any text editor do ..." contains emacs in the list of answers, the question is just whether you have the time to figure out how. |
| 19:46.13 | msiism | gnarface: i tend to use plain text files for note taking and long lines really have started to annoy me. (especially when running the editor in fullscreen mode.) |
| 19:46.43 | msiism | gnarface: yes, there was that joke about emacs being a failed attempt to write an operating system, but i don't remember right now. |
| 19:46.51 | gnarface | well emacs has mechanisms for wrapping lines with or without affecting the actual buffer contents |
| 19:47.38 | gnarface | basically emacs is an extensible lisp engine that just happens to primarily have been preloaded with text editing tools |
| 19:48.33 | msiism | i wonder if vi or vim can do this. then i think, i'd really consider getting into that. |
| 19:48.52 | KatolaZ | msiism: what are you looking for? |
| 19:48.54 | gnarface | one would think that vim can even if vi couldn't, but don't ask me how |
| 19:49.04 | KatolaZ | wrapping lines? |
| 19:49.24 | gnarface | he wants buffer-wrapping, not just window-wrapping |
| 19:49.37 | KatolaZ | meaning? |
| 19:49.43 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 19:49.45 | KatolaZ | in emacs |
| 19:49.47 | gnarface | he wants the line breaks to be saved in the files |
| 19:49.50 | KatolaZ | just ALT+Q |
| 19:49.53 | unixman | http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Automatic_word_wrapping |
| 19:49.57 | KatolaZ | in vi/vim there are different ways |
| 19:50.08 | KatolaZ | the easiest is to use "gwip" on a paragraph |
| 19:50.16 | KatolaZ | or to ":set tw=72" |
| 19:50.21 | KatolaZ | and it would auto-wrap |
| 19:50.30 | KatolaZ | while you type |
| 19:50.53 | KatolaZ | the "gwip" must be entered in command-mode |
| 19:51.33 | KatolaZ | in vim you can also use "gwgw" if I am not wrong |
| 19:51.38 | KatolaZ | works on paragraphs |
| 19:52.44 | msiism | KatolaZ: great. i'll check that out. |
| 19:53.22 | KatolaZ | msiism: I find the emacs-way easier |
| 19:53.36 | KatolaZ | but I normally prefer emacs for longer documents |
| 19:53.43 | KatolaZ | that's probably why |
| 19:55.45 | msiism | bookmarks http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Automatic_word_wrapping as well. |
| 19:56.21 | KatolaZ | msiism: that's a good one, yes |
| 19:56.22 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 19:59.48 | golinux | Pluma also draws a lone wherever you want |
| 19:59.54 | golinux | msiism |
| 19:59.58 | msiism | gnarface: btw, having text wrapped as you write is a different thing from having it wrapped when you copy it into you're e-mail clients editing window. in my experience, you will have to do a lot of re-arranging. |
| 19:59.59 | golinux | ^^^ |
| 20:00.32 | msiism | golinux: yes, but it just draws a line. it's doesn't break lines on that line. that's what i was looking for. |
| 20:01.04 | golinux | That is true |
| 20:02.05 | msiism | golinux: have you seen blinkdog around? |
| 20:07.16 | pfred1 | msiism /msg nickserv info blinkdog |
| 20:08.18 | msiism | pfred1: thanks, that helps. |
| 20:08.26 | pfred1 | :) |
| 20:09.16 | pfred1 | freeload has all the services |
| 20:11.04 | pfred1 | anyone know when https://files.devuan.org/ might come back online? |
| 20:11.07 | golinux | blinkdog has not been around |
| 20:11.52 | golinux | pfred1: We're working on it atm. Use a mirror |
| 20:12.05 | pfred1 | I would if I had a URL |
| 20:13.19 | golinux | https://devuan.org/ |
| 20:14.41 | msiism | golinux: that's one of the problem with that website. a heading like "HTTPS mirrors" should be an anchor that you could link to directly (like devuan.org#https_mirrors). |
| 20:14.51 | nemo | amen |
| 20:14.57 | nemo | not nearly enough people mark up documents like that |
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| 20:15.03 | nemo | id="https_mirrors" |
| 20:15.33 | nemo | launchpad drives me batty when I try to link to a bug comment in context - none of them have IDs |
| 20:15.36 | pfred1 | golinux the torrent link on https://devuan.org/index.html#download goes to https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie.torrent |
| 20:15.53 | golinux | Yes. |
| 20:16.24 | pfred1 | files.devuan.org is down ATM |
| 20:16.52 | golinux | The mirrors should still be working. |
| 20:17.10 | golinux | Pick one from the list. |
| 20:17.32 | pfred1 | yeah got it |
| 20:20.59 | TaZeR | devuan doing what debian couldnt since 2017 =) |
| 20:21.10 | TaZeR | i like that slogan |
| 20:25.33 | Centurion_Dan | files.devuan.org is migrating a new host and should be back soon ;-) |
| 20:26.27 | Criggie | TaZeR: couldn't vs wouldn't ? |
| 20:26.32 | msiism | TaZeR: i'm not sure this is factually correct. |
| 20:26.53 | TaZeR | they couldnt because of the mental incapacity to do so |
| 20:27.07 | pfred1 | Centurion_Dan that's what I'm trying to do here too migrate to a new host, or PC, or something |
| 20:27.39 | msiism | TaZeR: that's a kind of a bold claim. |
| 20:27.59 | Centurion_Dan | TaZeR: that's debateable. |
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| 20:32.36 | Centurion_Dan | I think while your catch phrase may be true to an extent, it's not something we could use in any official manner without a significant backlash. Debian TC made a bad call that went against Debians policies and stated goals, and that was bad enough that resulted in us having to fork it... |
| 20:34.17 | Criggie | Don't want to cause friction - that could put off users and devs from cutting over |
| 20:34.32 | Criggie | Open Source has a huge personality / reputation component. |
| 20:34.51 | Criggie | Its harder to win hearts and minds if you're an arsehole. |
| 20:35.10 | gnarface | there's some truth in the statement, but in the long run it does not profit us to mislabel unethical behavior as run-of-the-mill incompetence. there's a problem here that's bigger than just what they don't know. it's what do know but don't care about that is the problem. that said, malicious incompetence is a real thing too. saying it has to be one or the other is a false-dichotomy |
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| 20:35.20 | pfred1 | Centurion_Dan some time on Google earlier leads me to believe that perhaps Devian made a bad call with the name. Google keeps thinking I misspelled Debian unless I put devian in quotes. |
| 20:35.36 | pfred1 | or Devuan rather |
| 20:36.49 | Centurion_Dan | TaZeR: we want to remain inviting to Debians users and developers and not give them any cause to create a problem for us in retaliation - doing things like removing sysvinit scripts from all their packages etc. |
| 20:37.48 | gnarface | well, they're gonna do all that anyway. we just don't want to make it look like they had a good excuse. |
| 20:37.55 | Centurion_Dan | pfred1: Well using google is your problem for a start... |
| 20:38.18 | KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: pm |
| 20:39.02 | Centurion_Dan | gnarface: not really... I don't think that most debian developers want to act like that, and would be happy for their packages to be useful to us without requiring modifications. |
| 20:39.07 | unixman | rejects your Google and substitutes DDG ;) |
| 20:39.54 | Criggie | pfred1: nope - works for me right now. |
| 20:40.01 | Criggie | pfred1: are you in china or turkey? |
| 20:40.02 | gnarface | Centurion_Dan: but just one exception can cause us a lot of trouble, and some questionable changes have already been made |
| 20:40.03 | Criggie | https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=devuan |
| 20:40.27 | pfred1 | Criggie google may offer results based on previous browsing history |
| 20:40.35 | Criggie | ok |
| 20:40.49 | pfred1 | me running Debian for the past 10 years might weight things some then too |
| 20:40.57 | ddg | DDG also autocorrects devuan to debian, and it's not my fault |
| 20:41.14 | Criggie | completely blank incognito window returns devuan.org as the first match. |
| 20:41.23 | Criggie | I'll try it from a work host in AWS.... |
| 20:41.55 | Criggie | Yep - works there too... devuan.org is the first match. |
| 20:42.06 | Criggie | .: google fixed their magic |
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| 21:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sigyn: botsnack |
| 21:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2018-01-19 Fri 14:16:04] <fsmithred> Sigyn, undo |
| 21:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | you did? |
| 22:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | #frenode-sigyn :: topic-> /msg Sigyn unkline <nick> ( you must be opped - 15 minutes after kline max ) |
| 22:00.29 | pfred1 | mounting the filesystem in the installer was a little touch and go 4th time seemed to be a charm though |
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| 22:01.57 | pfred1 | who says doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insane? |
| 22:02.33 | MinceR | someone who doesn't know of random events :> |
| 22:02.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: what happened to maurizio1 ? |
| 22:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2018-01-19 Fri 14:16:04] <fsmithred> Sigyn, undo |
| 22:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | could we get ACL +o for fsmithred? |
| 22:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or,,, +F for me ;-) |
| 22:04.14 | MinceR | looks like he pasted his apt.conf which Sigyn interpreted as spam and k-lined him |
| 22:04.22 | MinceR | i can't modify the ACL |
| 22:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know |
| 22:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's clearly written in ACL that you can't ;-D |
| 22:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we could pester jaromil, no? ;-) |
| 22:05.38 | MinceR | indeed |
| 22:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think +F or at least +f would be a better request to pester him with |
| 22:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | since we wouldn't need to pester him again after that |
| 22:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can implement a dirty stopgap hack to allow +o for fsmithred but actually I hate that approach |
| 22:08.47 | MinceR | well, if he doesn't want to give +F or +f away, we could implement a bot for opping |
| 22:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's my hack |
| 22:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically |
| 22:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's nasty |
| 22:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | chanserv is supposed to be that bot |
| 22:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already have that hack for gtfobot |
| 22:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it sucks |
| 22:10.15 | MinceR | :) |
| 22:10.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's devuan GC? parazyd? |
| 22:11.07 | parazyd | yes |
| 22:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you grant me and/or MinceR +f please? |
| 22:11.30 | parazyd | i don't have +F on all chans. didn't bother to ask yet since there was no need |
| 22:11.39 | parazyd | (this includes #deuvan and #devuan-dev) |
| 22:11.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and all other flags if you don't give us +F |
| 22:11.56 | parazyd | will ask and get back to ya |
| 22:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 22:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((all other flags)) you know, even with +f an op can only grant the flags she owns herself in ACL |
| 22:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | only +F allows granting flags you don't own yourself |
| 22:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | which has the funny consequence that with *only* +F you can't even op yourself |
| 22:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you first need to grant ACL +o to yourself before you could |
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| 22:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: (will ask) I assume you meant "ask a freenode staffer", right? |
| 22:20.02 | parazyd | right |
| 22:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 22:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you found somebody already? |
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| 22:20.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | stats p is empty |
| 22:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | el is active |
| 22:24.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: ^^^ |
| 22:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | may query him |
| 22:24.47 | parazyd | patience |
| 22:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, I'm just hyperactive ;-) |
| 22:30.23 | golinux | No kidding |
| 22:30.49 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: 23:30 < el> ah, not my dept, but you can email projects@freenode.net with the details iirc |
| 22:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | a joke |
| 22:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ACL mod requests by GC are done in IRC |
| 22:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | no sense in email overhead |
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| 22:37.06 | fsmithred | somebody's talking about me. |
| 22:37.35 | fsmithred | If you want to give me powers, just tell what commands I can use and I will use my powers sparingly. |
| 22:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's just one thing you better had been able to do: /msg chanserv op #devuan; /msg Sigyn unkline maurizio1; /msg chanserv deop #devuan |
| 22:42.41 | *** mode/#devuan [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 22:43.23 | *** mode/#devuan [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 22:45.14 | MinceR | assuming Sigyn checks for ops when you send the message and not when it k-lines :> |
| 22:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 22:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | she checks for +o too, +o are immune |
| 22:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried -> [2018-01-22 Mon 23:42:53] <Sigyn> No matches maurizio1 in recent bans from #devuan |
| 22:46.27 | fsmithred | That will work if I do it? |
| 22:46.44 | fsmithred | I think he came back the next day |
| 22:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you do it within 15 minutes after k-line, yes |
| 22:47.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you need ACL +o to allow gaining operator stzatus |
| 22:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is what we're about to establish |
| 22:48.00 | fsmithred | ok, I saved the command for reference |
| 22:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 22:48.45 | fsmithred | and I'm getting better at remembering to say, "Don't post that here..." |
| 22:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can already try the sigyn part |
| 22:48.54 | *** mode/#devuan [+o fsmithred] by ChanServ |
| 22:49.07 | fsmithred | using the name of the guy who's not here? |
| 22:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 22:49.50 | fsmithred | cool, thanks |
| 22:50.11 | pfred1 | hmmm I think Devuan might be a bust for me |
| 22:50.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | /mode #devuan -o fsmithred |
| 22:50.20 | MinceR | a statue of part of a human body? |
| 22:50.42 | fsmithred | or just a boob |
| 22:50.44 | fsmithred | ? |
| 22:50.49 | pfred1 | why is gcc so far back? |
| 22:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: ^^^ for you to deop yourself as long as you don't have ACL +o |
| 22:51.44 | fsmithred | so I should run that after the first command? |
| 22:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | just right now, as a little execise of using operator powers |
| 22:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 22:52.14 | *** mode/#devuan [-o fsmithred] by fsmithred |
| 22:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually not |
| 22:52.27 | fsmithred | ok, I don't really understand |
| 22:52.44 | fsmithred | pfred1, devuan is based on debian, so even the new stuff is old |
| 22:52.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: usually chanserv does all op and deop stuff for you |
| 22:53.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | but when you're operator you can do stuff like /mode #devuan +o DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:53.33 | pfred1 | fsmithred heck I'm om Wheezy and I have a newer version |
| 22:53.45 | KatolaZ | pfred1: newer version of what? |
| 22:53.51 | pfred1 | how did I manage to do that? |
| 22:53.59 | pfred1 | KatolaZ gcc |
| 22:54.11 | KatolaZ | I don't think it's possible, unless you are using backports |
| 22:54.26 | KatolaZ | and still, jessie-backports should be a bit newer than that |
| 22:54.45 | pfred1 | yeah that's probably how I did it let me enable backports in Devuan and see how far that goes |
| 22:55.10 | KatolaZ | pfred1: are you on jessie? |
| 22:55.17 | pfred1 | I have a newer gcc on this system but soemthing with the clib is a hassle with using it |
| 22:55.35 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 22:55.44 | pfred1 | this system is Wheezy and I installed Devuan on another system |
| 22:56.08 | fsmithred | I don't see gcc in jessie-backports or ascii-backport |
| 22:56.36 | fsmithred | 4.9 in jessie, 6.3 in ascii/stretch, 7.2 in ceres/buster/sid |
| 22:56.55 | pfred1 | what the heck I do aptitude show gcc in Devuan and it says Version: 4:4.9.2-2 but gcc -v on my system is gcc version 4.7.2 (Debian 4.7.2-5) |
| 22:57.27 | pfred1 | ah 4:4 |
| 22:57.33 | KatolaZ | pfred1: you have backports enabled, right? |
| 22:57.37 | pfred1 | stlll it's too old I need 5+ |
| 22:58.13 | pfred1 | KatolaZ not yet I just got the stuff running |
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| 22:58.55 | fsmithred | pfred1, when was the last time you did update/upgrade? |
| 22:59.03 | KatolaZ | pfred1: there is no gcc5 in De??an |
| 22:59.07 | KatolaZ | either 4.9 or 6.x |
| 22:59.10 | KatolaZ | or 7.x |
| 22:59.11 | fsmithred | ascii is pretty stable |
| 22:59.21 | pfred1 | yeah 6 and 7 is good |
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| 23:17.10 | pfred1 | aptitude -t jessie-backports install gcc wants to give me gcc-4.9 |
| 23:20.57 | fsmithred | I already said that there's no gcc in backports |
| 23:21.20 | fsmithred | you will need to either upgrade to ascii or get the source and backport it yourself |
| 23:22.00 | fsmithred | if you want to backport it, I can link some instructions |
| 23:22.12 | fsmithred | but at this point, upgrading to ascii is pretty easy and safe |
| 23:22.30 | pfred1 | OK I guess I can give ascii a shot |
| 23:23.00 | fsmithred | replace jessie with ascii |
| 23:23.05 | fsmithred | in sources.list |
| 23:23.09 | pfred1 | I think I need to get my DE going first though I don't know if it will be supported |
| 23:23.18 | fsmithred | and replace auto.mirror with pkgmaster |
| 23:23.22 | fsmithred | which DE? |
| 23:23.30 | pfred1 | I run TDE |
| 23:23.36 | fsmithred | oh yeah, that works |
| 23:23.46 | fsmithred | they even have instructions for installing on devuan |
| 23:23.50 | pfred1 | the ppa works in ascii? |
| 23:24.15 | fsmithred | I don't remember how to do it. I think there's a repo to add to sources |
| 23:24.27 | fsmithred | I know I've done it that way in the past (in debian) |
| 23:25.53 | pfred1 | this is how it is on this system deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian wheezy main |
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| 23:29.39 | fsmithred | pfred1, https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions |
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| 23:31.22 | pfred1 | fsmithred thanks i got it |
| 23:33.08 | pfred1 | man if this works I'm gonna be stoked |
| 23:35.22 | fsmithred | you know about exegnulinux? |
| 23:40.16 | fsmithred | looks like exegnu is still jessie |
| 23:43.00 | pfred1 | time to try this out over here |
| 23:43.46 | pfred1 | OMG it works! |
| 23:45.18 | fsmithred | :) |