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| 00:33.28 | Vall | One question: I have an old RPi 1 Model B here which I would like to run Devuan on, just for kicks. |
| 00:33.30 | Vall | Is Devuan NOOBS compatible, so I can dual-boot it with LibreELEC for example? |
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| 01:20.13 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:27.50 | ServiceRobot | hello everyone |
| 01:28.07 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 01:28.21 | AlexLikeRock | you are human |
| 01:28.38 | ServiceRobot | on the internet, nobody knows you're a human |
| 01:28.53 | AlexLikeRock | yep |
| 01:29.04 | ServiceRobot | also happy new year |
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| 01:30.31 | ServiceRobot | I've been following along with some of these anti-systemd projects for a while now. I've settled into the distro I wanted for desktop usage, but not server usage |
| 01:31.00 | ServiceRobot | so I've been trying to find a stable distribution that can provide me with alternative init systems |
| 01:31.31 | ServiceRobot | Devuan runs sysvinit out-of-the-box, but I've yet to figure out if it can properly run runit yet |
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| 01:32.12 | ServiceRobot | Devuan had its first release not too long ago if I'm not mistaken |
| 01:33.28 | ServiceRobot | so I'm wondering if Devuan is a viable option right now for server hosting? |
| 01:33.41 | ServiceRobot | or should I wait for it to catch up to Debian? |
| 01:34.25 | Fervi | @ServiceRobot : It depends, Devuan Jessie is oldstable, but still have some updates |
| 01:34.37 | Fervi | or Ascii, hmm |
| 01:35.01 | ServiceRobot | it's still running Debian 8.0, right? I just gave it a whirl with the installer, and it worked perfectly |
| 01:35.16 | ServiceRobot | was able to partition everything to how I wanted, etc |
| 01:36.02 | ServiceRobot | tried to replace grub-common with refind though. that proved to be difficult. refind provides .deb files, but also has a ubuntu repo. not for jessie though |
| 01:36.24 | Fervi | @ServiceRobot : Ascii is some paradox. It should be Debian 9 |
| 01:36.31 | Fervi | and maybe it is |
| 01:36.51 | ServiceRobot | I'm a bit confused about the naming. Ascii is the next release, Devuan 9? |
| 01:37.36 | fsmithred | Devuan 2, based on Debian 9 (ascii=stretch) |
| 01:38.38 | ServiceRobot | the latest release for Debian is "Sid", aka Ceres. which version should I use where I won't have problems with added repositories? |
| 01:38.46 | ServiceRobot | *Devuan |
| 01:39.41 | fsmithred | jessie is still our stable, ascii is mostly ready |
| 01:40.23 | ServiceRobot | but is it ready enough where I won't have too many problems? |
| 01:40.34 | fsmithred | depends on what you want to do |
| 01:41.00 | ServiceRobot | set up a LEMP solution with runit as the init system and refind as the bootloader |
| 01:41.02 | fsmithred | there are people using it one servers and desktops |
| 01:41.13 | Fervi | ServiceRobot : I using ceres (unstable) and it's really stable :D |
| 01:41.21 | fsmithred | you could be the first |
| 01:41.24 | Fervi | on server i have ascii and works nice |
| 01:41.32 | fsmithred | tell us how it works out |
| 01:41.44 | ServiceRobot | my BIGGEST question is, does Devuan only have real support for sysvinit at the moment? |
| 01:41.52 | fsmithred | there are a few other people experimenting with runit |
| 01:41.53 | ServiceRobot | I want to give runit a swing. it looks so simple |
| 01:42.09 | fsmithred | I think runit is in the repo |
| 01:42.20 | ServiceRobot | it is, but lacks scripts |
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| 01:42.29 | fsmithred | if it's in debian, it's in devuan, unless it needs systemd |
| 01:42.31 | ServiceRobot | mind you I can write them myself, or just grab them from void's repos |
| 01:43.14 | ServiceRobot | what's the release cycle like currently? I understand it's a small handful of people |
| 01:44.53 | fsmithred | we released jessie in May |
| 01:45.02 | fsmithred | we will release ascii next |
| 01:45.42 | fsmithred | sometime in the near future we'll start tracking debian testing (buster) as beowulf |
| 01:46.02 | fsmithred | which will be the next release after ascii |
| 01:46.18 | fsmithred | all on a "when it's ready" schedule |
| 01:46.28 | ServiceRobot | that's a pretty sick name actually |
| 01:46.50 | fsmithred | which? They're all minor planets. |
| 01:46.58 | ServiceRobot | Beowulf |
| 01:47.04 | ServiceRobot | he saves the day |
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| 01:47.42 | ServiceRobot | anyway, I think I'll give ceres a try, if it's available. can't find a download anywhere |
| 01:47.52 | fsmithred | nope |
| 01:48.08 | fsmithred | you can either install jessie and upgrade your way there or do a debootstrap install |
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| 01:48.56 | ServiceRobot | what does that entail? |
| 01:49.08 | fsmithred | which? |
| 01:49.29 | ServiceRobot | deboostrap install |
| 01:49.37 | ServiceRobot | *debootstrap |
| 01:49.59 | fsmithred | building a system in a chroot |
| 01:50.45 | ServiceRobot | ah, so you mean from the command line? |
| 01:50.53 | fsmithred | yeah |
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| 01:51.30 | fsmithred | if you want to read about it, there are instructions for doing it in debian. Procedure would be the same in devuan. |
| 01:52.11 | fsmithred | upgrade is easy, though. just change sources and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:52.16 | ServiceRobot | right, but if ceres is unavailable, how would I obtain the packages? or is there just not a release? |
| 01:52.45 | fsmithred | there are no installers available for ceres. There's a repo. |
| 01:53.00 | ServiceRobot | ah, good enough. I just need to add it then |
| 01:53.12 | fsmithred | but you can't run sid/ceres and not expect problems |
| 01:53.32 | ServiceRobot | considering it's unstable, I'm fully aware |
| 01:53.48 | ServiceRobot | would you consider I hold off then? |
| 01:54.01 | fsmithred | that's up to you |
| 01:54.35 | ServiceRobot | meh, I might as well so package installation from 3rd party repos isn't a pain |
| 01:54.41 | fsmithred | I've got two jessies and one ascii that I use, and I just haven't gotten around to upgrading or reinstalling #2 |
| 01:55.05 | fsmithred | what 3rd party repos do you need to use? |
| 01:55.52 | ServiceRobot | well, if I DO decide to use Devuan for desktop use, probably openrazer. for server usage, just refind (bootloader) for now |
| 01:56.03 | ServiceRobot | I don't think refind is available in the debian or devuan repos |
| 01:56.13 | fsmithred | it is. I was looking at it today |
| 01:56.21 | ServiceRobot | oh? so just not in jessie then? |
| 01:56.49 | fsmithred | you're right. ascii and up |
| 01:57.02 | ServiceRobot | ah. that explains the confusion |
| 01:57.26 | ServiceRobot | my issue is if down the line I need to add other repos, they may not be available for debian 8/jessie/devuan, if you catch my drift |
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| 01:59.19 | ServiceRobot | in any case, my major concern is getting runit working |
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| 02:00.37 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1748 |
| 02:01.22 | fsmithred | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/search/20380101.000000.00000000@ml:dng,runit.en.html |
| 02:01.23 | ServiceRobot | I don't want to use it alongside sysvinit, just on its own |
| 02:02.45 | ServiceRobot | I've tested it on a different distro, but not sure how well it would fair on Devuan |
| 02:03.14 | ServiceRobot | I also want to remove sysvinit, not just have it superseded by runit |
| 02:08.08 | ServiceRobot | well, actually, Ascii might be more than sufficient for my needs |
| 02:08.20 | ServiceRobot | I assume that Ascii is also in a separate repo? |
| 02:08.38 | fsmithred | yes |
| 02:09.30 | fsmithred | install jessie, edit sources.list to change jessie to ascii, and change auto.mirror.devuan.org to pkgmaster.devuan.org, update, dist-upgrade |
| 02:09.43 | fsmithred | shit |
| 02:09.55 | fsmithred | before you change sources.list, install devuan-keyring |
| 02:10.55 | ServiceRobot | right. I plan to do a manual install this time around |
| 02:11.55 | fsmithred | if you're familiar with debian, you'll feel at home |
| 02:12.39 | ServiceRobot | I'm not exactly familiar with Debian per say, but I am familar with aptitude, adding ppas, upgrading, etc |
| 02:14.01 | ServiceRobot | I was considering Void Linux as well, but rolling release and server hosting... eeeeeh not sure that's a good idea |
| 02:16.08 | ServiceRobot | heck, I still haven't found a viable vps. |
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| 02:21.09 | n4dir | the first thing you will have to learn is to forget about ppa's, as far debian is concerned. |
| 02:21.27 | n4dir | but the rest should suffice |
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| 03:21.09 | ServiceRobot | hello again |
| 03:23.33 | ServiceRobot | so I'm attempting to install devuan ascii to /target using debootstrap. I realize it's similar to pacstrap |
| 03:23.50 | ServiceRobot | but I'm getting a gpgv signature error |
| 03:25.08 | gnarface | make sure you have devuan-keyring |
| 03:25.43 | ServiceRobot | that's what I was thinking, but don't I need to debootstrap install it first? |
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| 03:33.14 | ServiceRobot | how do I install devuan-keyring first? |
| 03:33.22 | gnarface | ServiceRobot: you need to add devuan-keyring in the parent system |
| 03:34.02 | gnarface | (the re-run apt-get update) |
| 03:34.13 | ServiceRobot | within the chroot? |
| 03:34.23 | gnarface | no on the parent system |
| 03:34.36 | ServiceRobot | so the usb or the mounted partition? |
| 03:35.17 | gnarface | just add it everywhere if you're confused |
| 03:35.22 | ServiceRobot | I just found the apt-get update solution online but apt-get is not available on the root |
| 03:35.43 | gnarface | is the parent system debian? |
| 03:35.46 | gnarface | or also devuan? |
| 03:35.50 | ServiceRobot | Devuan |
| 03:36.11 | gnarface | do this: dpkg -l |grep keyring |
| 03:36.19 | gnarface | what packages does it list? |
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| 03:37.39 | ServiceRobot | hang on, something tells me I'm missing a step |
| 03:38.05 | gnarface | it seems to me like you may be confusing the parent system and the chroot target |
| 03:38.20 | gnarface | they'll both ultimately need the devuan-keyring package |
| 03:38.30 | ServiceRobot | well the parent system lacks apt-get and dpkg |
| 03:38.55 | gnarface | well that's definitely a problem... |
| 03:39.10 | ServiceRobot | I think I may know why |
| 03:39.31 | ServiceRobot | devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_NETINST.iso |
| 03:39.35 | gnarface | they should definitely be there if it's actually a devuan install, unless something has gone very wrong |
| 03:39.45 | ServiceRobot | this is the iso I used, which lacks the needed packages on the parent filesyste,? |
| 03:39.47 | ServiceRobot | ? |
| 03:39.54 | ServiceRobot | *filesystem |
| 03:40.18 | ServiceRobot | perhaps I need devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_CD.iso instead? |
| 03:40.36 | gnarface | no, a complete installation from either one of those ISOs should include apt-get and dpkg unless something went very wrong during install |
| 03:41.13 | gnarface | (so wrong that i'm surprised it even boots...) |
| 03:41.37 | ServiceRobot | well that's just weird then. I used the netinstall iso, and the graphical installer gets everything needed |
| 03:42.06 | ServiceRobot | I'm doing this from a usb |
| 03:42.45 | blinkdog | do you need the udeb version to be used during install time? |
| 03:42.51 | ServiceRobot | sorry if I'm being an idiot. this whole process is actually relatively simple from reading the directions |
| 03:43.33 | gnarface | how did you verify that apt-get and dpkg are missing? `ls -l /usr/bin/apt-get` |
| 03:43.39 | gnarface | try this one^ |
| 03:43.53 | blinkdog | also these: `which dpkg` and `which apt-get` |
| 03:44.00 | gnarface | ServiceRobot: at least it has "ls" installed, right? |
| 03:44.42 | ServiceRobot | here's what I did. I downloaded the latest stable from the magnet link, put it on my usb, booted into the installer, then followed these directions |
| 03:44.45 | ServiceRobot | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/Minimal-install-guide |
| 03:45.16 | ServiceRobot | then alt+F2'd to an active tty |
| 03:45.23 | gnarface | OH |
| 03:45.28 | ServiceRobot | ls does indeed work |
| 03:45.29 | gnarface | you never completed the installer |
| 03:45.35 | gnarface | ok now i get it |
| 03:45.39 | ServiceRobot | the directions said not to? |
| 03:45.43 | ServiceRobot | now I'm confused |
| 03:45.59 | gnarface | the directions are just bad that's all |
| 03:46.04 | ServiceRobot | >______> |
| 03:46.20 | blinkdog | yeah, it references an alpha 4 install image |
| 03:46.39 | blinkdog | i'll put updating/removing that page on the pad for tomorrow's meet |
| 03:46.45 | ServiceRobot | are there better directions, or are you guys my best hope? |
| 03:46.48 | ServiceRobot | :L |
| 03:47.07 | gnarface | sorry about that ServiceRobot, to get a minimal install from expert mode it's easiest just to complete the install normally and just uncheck all the options when it asks you what the system is for at the tasksel stage |
| 03:47.19 | gnarface | then you would in theory not run into this |
| 03:47.28 | ServiceRobot | there's also a "choose mirror" option I noticed |
| 03:47.32 | ServiceRobot | couldn't I just do that? |
| 03:47.49 | gnarface | the installer will work |
| 03:48.03 | gnarface | then you can do a regular upgrade to ascii afterwards |
| 03:48.18 | ServiceRobot | thing is, I don't want to install jessie than upgrade. I'd like to save time and just install ascii |
| 03:48.18 | gnarface | i should say, the installer will *probably* work since you booted it successfully |
| 03:48.30 | blinkdog | there are no ascii installers yet |
| 03:48.34 | ServiceRobot | I tested it already with jessie |
| 03:48.35 | blinkdog | they are coming soon |
| 03:48.37 | ServiceRobot | it worked perfectly |
| 03:48.41 | gnarface | ServiceRobot: i hear where you're coming from, but this is not a way to save time if you don't already know how to manage your gpg keyring manually. |
| 03:49.27 | ServiceRobot | I can easily learn it. I was just confused by the directions. thanks for clearing things up guys |
| 03:49.57 | gnarface | ServiceRobot: basically the issue you're running into is you need to add the gpg keyring to the *installer's* shell but the tools to do that weren't included |
| 03:50.19 | gnarface | ServiceRobot: initially i thought you were doing this from a completed devuan install, not the busybox shell |
| 03:50.39 | ServiceRobot | ya, I realize I wasn't quite clear |
| 03:50.55 | ServiceRobot | I think I can figure this out though |
| 03:51.10 | gnarface | you should in theory be able to find a updated copy of devuan-keyring and get the gpg key from it and put it in manually |
| 03:51.58 | gnarface | once you finish debootstrapping then chroot into the directory you made, that install will also need the keyring but in theory it should get it automatically |
| 03:52.26 | gnarface | but like i said, it's easier to just complete the expert install normally and just uncheck all the options at tasksel |
| 03:52.38 | ServiceRobot | so what I'm getting at is if the busybox shell had the tools to install the keyring, debootstrap would work without errors? |
| 03:53.02 | ServiceRobot | because it lacks quite a bit of packages like aptitude |
| 03:53.31 | gnarface | yea, if you were doing that debootstrap command from a regular installation or even a livecd, you wouldn't be having this problem |
| 03:53.51 | ServiceRobot | a livecd you say? would it work from a usb? |
| 03:54.17 | gnarface | yea, the live images are hybrid-iso; they'll also work on usb |
| 03:54.28 | ServiceRobot | ah, then that's what I'll try |
| 03:55.27 | ServiceRobot | I assume what I'm looking for are the minimal-live isos? |
| 03:55.31 | gnarface | doing a debootstrap install from there will be a lot easier. you'll have bash, gpg, apt-get, dpkg and a graphical environment |
| 03:55.35 | gnarface | uh |
| 03:55.45 | gnarface | actually the minimal-live iso doesn't come with a graphical environment |
| 03:55.48 | gnarface | so it's up to you |
| 03:55.58 | ServiceRobot | eh, I'm used to that for installing |
| 03:56.16 | ServiceRobot | if I have mkfs and the ability to mount, I can figure out the rest |
| 03:56.56 | gnarface | well, you might want to try one of the regular ones (/devuan/devuan_jessie/desktop-live/) first |
| 03:57.26 | gnarface | i don't see any special reason to make it harder on yourself by using the minimal-live image |
| 03:57.31 | ServiceRobot | eh, sure, doesn't matter. as long as I have the tools |
| 03:58.10 | ServiceRobot | well, I like doing things straight up manual. that way I know exactly what's going on. I've been using Arch, so that's where I picked up that habit >_> |
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| 03:59.24 | ServiceRobot | also, one of you mentioned something about a meet-up? out of curiosity, do you guys have frequent online meetings on devuan updates, etc? |
| 03:59.28 | ServiceRobot | if that's what you mean |
| 04:00.58 | blinkdog | yes, the developers meet weekly on a web video chat |
| 04:01.15 | ServiceRobot | oh, that's neato |
| 04:01.16 | blinkdog | it isn't tomorrow, but rather Wednesday (2:30 PM Central US) |
| 04:03.28 | ServiceRobot | so neither of the live isos are booting for me unfortunately |
| 04:04.35 | gnarface | try safe mode? |
| 04:04.54 | gnarface | if you were able to boot the jessie installer, it's kinda a surprise that the live isos aren't working |
| 04:05.21 | ServiceRobot | do the live isos lack a bootloader? I thought they were just for virtualization? |
| 04:05.37 | gnarface | there's a boot loader |
| 04:05.44 | gnarface | it might not be grub though |
| 04:05.48 | gnarface | i think it's syslinux |
| 04:06.07 | gnarface | i might be wrong |
| 04:06.35 | blinkdog | I think there is one for UEFI and one for BIOS |
| 04:06.48 | blinkdog | and you have to get the right one, is fsmithred around? |
| 04:06.49 | ServiceRobot | that might be it. I'm booting from a UEFI system |
| 04:06.50 | gnarface | try the normal safe mode options at the kernel command-line; noapic nolapic acpi=off |
| 04:06.59 | gnarface | oh |
| 04:07.07 | gnarface | yea make sure you use the one with uefi in the file name |
| 04:07.16 | gnarface | that's a definite |
| 04:07.58 | ServiceRobot | there's only 2 isos in minimal-live, amd64 and i386 |
| 04:08.14 | ServiceRobot | oh, in desktop-live, there is a _uefi_ iso |
| 04:08.18 | gnarface | yea, that one |
| 04:08.21 | ServiceRobot | *facepalm* |
| 04:09.12 | ServiceRobot | I guess minimal doesn't support uefi at the moment? |
| 04:09.34 | gnarface | i guess not :( |
| 04:09.41 | gnarface | (haven't even tried that one myself) |
| 04:09.44 | ServiceRobot | eh, whatever. |
| 04:11.17 | gnarface | i'm wandering away for the moment, but i'll be back later |
| 04:11.23 | ServiceRobot | hurray, it boots! |
| 04:12.17 | ServiceRobot | yep, and it has everything I'll need. I'll give you guys a progress report when I succeed, or fail miserably |
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| 06:13.39 | ServiceRobot | good news everyone |
| 06:13.51 | ServiceRobot | I got ascii booting just how I wanted |
| 06:14.27 | vahe | nice |
| 06:17.37 | sickness | nice :) |
| 06:18.10 | ServiceRobot | mind you I installed it in a non-traditional way so I kind of need to do some more manual tweaking |
| 06:19.32 | sickness | will you release an howto? |
| 06:20.12 | ServiceRobot | one that's better than the current debootstrap tutorial? if I can make sure mine is actually better, maybe |
| 06:20.23 | ServiceRobot | I'm not an expert by any means |
| 06:35.58 | ServiceRobot | well then, experimenting with networking just made me realize why I was having a different problem earlier |
| 06:36.40 | ServiceRobot | networkmanager was giving me connection refused messages on my testing machine due to an incorrect /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:36.49 | ServiceRobot | because I didn't install everything I needed |
| 06:51.05 | gnarface | hey, great to hear it worked, ServiceRobot |
| 06:51.24 | gnarface | for a regular devuan install, i think wicd is the default in place of network-manager, just fyi |
| 06:51.49 | gnarface | but yea, neither will work on modern hardware without wpasupplicant |
| 06:52.00 | gnarface | at least for wifi, that is |
| 06:52.00 | ServiceRobot | I got network-manager working. while I did like wicd when I tried it with the installer, it's not being actively developed |
| 06:52.28 | ServiceRobot | I looked on the launchpad page. it's been left in the cellar for at least a year |
| 06:52.36 | gnarface | heh, fair enough but most the "active development" on network manager in devaun i think consists primarily of just removing systemd dependencies |
| 06:53.13 | ServiceRobot | I'm aware that network manager is a bloated insecure mess, but it handles network connections better than the alternatives |
| 06:53.28 | gnarface | it just bears remembering that "no updates" isn't necessarily a sign of abandonment. sometimes stuff is actually finished and nobody can think of good excuses to keep changing it. |
| 06:53.43 | ServiceRobot | while connman is more updated, the frontends for it are either outdated, or lack features |
| 06:53.55 | gnarface | personally i don't use either solution. i prefer to just edit the /etc/network/interfaces file by hand. |
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| 06:54.33 | ServiceRobot | yes, but managing networks is a very important piece to the machine, if you will. security updates/fixes are important for something like that |
| 06:54.45 | ServiceRobot | eh, depending on the situation, I use a gui or terminal |
| 06:54.50 | ServiceRobot | it depends |
| 06:55.32 | ServiceRobot | connman with cmst is the best alternative I've found, but it does a horrible job connection to wpa2 enterprise/eurodam networks |
| 06:55.44 | ServiceRobot | *connecting |
| 07:01.46 | ServiceRobot | this is going to take some getting used to |
| 07:02.43 | gnarface | just remember to resist the urge to ditch software just because of it's age and nothing else. sometimes it's not updated because it's just finished. |
| 07:03.02 | gnarface | software being finished is actually a real thing |
| 07:03.14 | ServiceRobot | it depends on what the software is. was wicd ever declared finished? |
| 07:03.52 | gnarface | i dunno anything about wicd specifically, but in general i'm more skepitcal about software that seems to keep getting updates that are excuses for themselves |
| 07:04.19 | ServiceRobot | throwing dust at Gnome I see? |
| 07:04.27 | gnarface | like firefox for example. at a certain point it becomes apparent they're just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic |
| 07:04.42 | n4dir | firefox came to my mind too. |
| 07:04.57 | ServiceRobot | ya, firefox has some other problems too.. which is why for now I've switched to Waterfox |
| 07:05.09 | gnarface | heh, that's a new one i hadn't heard about |
| 07:05.19 | gnarface | lots of people are jumping to palemoon i hear though |
| 07:06.54 | ServiceRobot | pale moon is not a good idea from some of the things I've read. the developer blocked the adnausuem extension on his own grounds |
| 07:07.14 | ServiceRobot | "we are strictly against allowing extensions that cause direct damage (including damage to third parties). There is a subtle but important difference between blocking content and generating fake user interaction." |
| 07:07.22 | n4dir | i looked at qupzilla. It seemed ok. (can't install it on slackware, which is my daily ride, hence i can't say much more) |
| 07:07.38 | ServiceRobot | I tried qupzilla. very sleek, but the lack of extensions is a turnoff for me |
| 07:08.11 | n4dir | yeah, but now that firefox version shit-knows is there, most of the extensions seems fubar anyway |
| 07:08.30 | n4dir | was the main reason i sticked to firefox. |
| 07:09.12 | ServiceRobot | right now, Firefox and Chrome are the big two. if it weren't for all that extension support, I'd be willing to try others |
| 07:10.39 | n4dir | you know any good replacement for cookie-monster (cookie-monsters, something like that) ? |
| 07:10.50 | ServiceRobot | for what? |
| 07:11.01 | n4dir | what i want is a) disable cookies in general and b) allow them on the sites where i need them |
| 07:11.16 | ServiceRobot | alternativeto.net might have something |
| 07:11.25 | n4dir | all extensions i find help to delete cookies, i don't want to allow them in the first place |
| 07:11.46 | ServiceRobot | https://alternativeto.net/software/cookie-monster/ |
| 07:11.53 | ServiceRobot | does this help you at all? |
| 07:12.19 | n4dir | that's what i used. I think it doesn't work with the new ff-version anymore |
| 07:12.33 | ServiceRobot | it was discontinued |
| 07:12.43 | ServiceRobot | a lot of the alternatives seem to have been as well |
| 07:13.44 | n4dir | oh my. |
| 07:28.01 | ServiceRobot | is dbus-user-session not available in the repos? |
| 07:28.06 | ServiceRobot | getting a lot of issues without it |
| 07:30.37 | ServiceRobot | oh, I see the issue now |
| 07:37.06 | gnarface | permissions will be a little different without systemd; the local console user doesn't automatically get full access to all the devices |
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| 07:37.52 | gnarface | a default install should set it up right for you, but if you're doing this all yourself from a debootstrapped install, you'll probably have to add yourself to a number of groups manually for basic expected behavior (input, audio, video) |
| 07:38.15 | ServiceRobot | I was trying to run a third-party repo for testing purposes. they probably don't support non-systemd setups |
| 07:38.28 | ServiceRobot | I'll just avoid it for now |
| 07:38.36 | gnarface | ah, yea some of the package dependencies will have changed. anything expecting debian's might make a mess. definitely don't mix repos. |
| 07:38.49 | ServiceRobot | just learned that >_> |
| 07:39.03 | golinux | Especially Ubuntu/ ppas |
| 07:39.37 | gnarface | if that repo provides a source package though, ServiceRobot, there might be an easy way to rebuild it to be devaun-safe |
| 07:39.48 | ServiceRobot | I plan to use devuan mainly for servers. I'm just screwing around with it at this point |
| 07:40.01 | gnarface | ah |
| 07:40.01 | ServiceRobot | yes, it provides sources |
| 07:40.06 | ServiceRobot | ever heard of Yunit? |
| 07:40.09 | ServiceRobot | Unity 8 fork |
| 07:40.14 | gnarface | hmm. news to me |
| 07:40.35 | ServiceRobot | ya well, it definitely won't work with devuan, at least through my testing |
| 07:40.54 | ServiceRobot | it's not even released yet. |
| 07:45.40 | gnarface | a dependency on systemd-logind or something like that? |
| 07:45.55 | ServiceRobot | dbus-user-session. openrazer has the same issue |
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| 13:33.54 | Vall | One question: I have an old RPi 1 Model B here which I would like to run Devuan on, just for kicks. |
| 13:33.56 | Vall | Is Devuan NOOBS compatible, so I can dual-boot it with LibreELEC for example? |
| 13:35.38 | fsmithred | what's LibreELEC? |
| 13:38.16 | jelly | a distro for htpc/set top boxes |
| 13:39.16 | fsmithred | if it's linux, then grub should see it and add it to the boot menu |
| 13:40.16 | fsmithred | oh, NOOBS is something, too. For rpi. In that case, I don't know. |
| 13:41.03 | fsmithred | Vall, is debian NOOBS compatible? |
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| 13:42.14 | Vall | fsmithred: not sure about pure Debian, but Raspbian (Raspberry Pi's manufacturer especific distro) is: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/noobs.md |
| 13:43.30 | fsmithred | how do you dual-boot rpi? I thought you just put a disk image on the card. |
| 13:43.43 | fsmithred | if that's the case, you'd have to roll your own image. |
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| 13:59.20 | Vall | back |
| 13:59.36 | Vall | fsmithred: I don't have the faintest idea |
| 14:00.03 | fsmithred | pretty sure the embedded images just get copied to the sdcard with dd |
| 14:00.23 | fsmithred | so you'd need to make another partition, put the second os on it and adjust the bootloader |
| 14:01.32 | fsmithred | my gut instincts tell me that someone who does something like that probably shouldn't be running an os called "noobs" |
| 14:01.53 | jelly | it's a boot loader called noobs judging by the context |
| 14:02.51 | Vall | jelly: I think you are correct |
| 14:03.11 | Vall | I will try installing Rasbian plus LibreELEC on NOOBS and then report back here, OK? |
| 14:03.19 | jelly | Vall, the web page says it's an installer. So ask the NOOBS people whether it's possible to make a dual-boot setup |
| 14:03.44 | Vall | jelly: I think it's an installer *plus* a multiboot system |
| 14:03.49 | fsmithred | ok, I see multiple operating systems listed in the noobs window |
| 14:04.20 | Vall | I will try installing Rasbian plus LibreELEC on NOOBS and then report back here, OK? Hopefully the experience will be enlightening ;-) |
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| 14:05.07 | fsmithred | interesting. It comes with raspian installed, and you can add others |
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| 14:10.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | pffffff |
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| 14:11.37 | nemo | fsmithred: oh hey. did you notice my message last week about your image? |
| 14:12.01 | fsmithred | which message? |
| 14:12.24 | nemo | so. you sent me that ISO. I noted it booted fine, with no UEFI corruption, but was hard to tell if it was using UEFI at all since I have legacy boot enabled |
| 14:12.35 | nemo | fsmithred: was it a UEFI image? |
| 14:12.46 | fsmithred | it should work both ways |
| 14:12.49 | nemo | hm |
| 14:12.56 | fsmithred | are you using gpt with legacy boot? |
| 14:13.45 | fsmithred | to check if you booted uefi or not, look for /sys/firmware/efi |
| 14:13.50 | nemo | ok. |
| 14:13.50 | fsmithred | if it exists, it's uefi boot |
| 14:14.07 | nemo | will check for that when I get home I guess - but it would have used uefi if it was available right |
| 14:14.22 | fsmithred | other way to tell: uefi boots with grub, legacy boots with isolinux |
| 14:14.28 | fsmithred | the boot menus look different |
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| 14:15.03 | fsmithred | it will boot whichever way you have your computer set to boot |
| 14:15.34 | fsmithred | which iso are you using? |
| 14:15.53 | nemo | the one you'd linked me to last week |
| 14:15.54 | fsmithred | nox or snapshot-ascii? |
| 14:15.59 | nemo | snapshot ascii |
| 14:16.03 | fsmithred | ok |
| 14:16.29 | nemo | fsmithred: I booted using boot device menu - which I thought would use legacy if it was enabled in bios and that's how the device was setup |
| 14:16.33 | fsmithred | you should probably download the newer installer, too. There are a couple of bugs |
| 14:16.54 | nemo | hm |
| 14:17.26 | fsmithred | one of them is that if you boot legacy and install the system, grub won't get installed |
| 14:17.30 | nemo | fsmithred: well... I already have her machine setup, I just need to fix the wifi which seems to crash/reset every few minutes ( a problem I experienced last year with a devuan install, so if I can just remember where I found the drivers to fix it... ) |
| 14:17.40 | nemo | fsmithred: and, the touchpad broken, which is less critical |
| 14:17.41 | fsmithred | grub-pc will get installed, but the bootloader won't |
| 14:18.01 | nemo | fsmithred: also the fact that the 4.9 kernel in backports completely crashes and corrupts the machine, but I already removed that ⺠|
| 14:18.28 | fsmithred | you're using 4.13 now? |
| 14:18.36 | nemo | fsmithred: I mostly used your snapshot at your suggestion, to see if the UEFI corruption had been fixed |
| 14:18.38 | fsmithred | the iso has 4.12 I think |
| 14:18.41 | nemo | yep. |
| 14:18.59 | nemo | but. I wasn't sure if it was using UEFI or not, thus the question last week, but I guess you were AFK for celebrations ⺠|
| 14:19.14 | fsmithred | yeah, I just stay logged in |
| 14:19.18 | nemo | I'll reboot onto it this evening and look for that /sys/firmware/efi |
| 14:19.21 | fsmithred | could be anywhere |
| 14:19.33 | nemo | guess I should have done a /msg for persistence, but some people dislike that |
| 14:19.36 | fsmithred | look at the boot menu, too |
| 14:20.07 | nemo | basically, if "ascii" works without corruption, it might be worth moving her machine onto that, instead of the stable jessie she's on now? |
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| 14:20.17 | nemo | or is that too risky in terms of full desktop experience |
| 14:20.23 | fsmithred | yeah, ascii is close to stable |
| 14:20.26 | nemo | ok |
| 14:20.32 | fsmithred | or mostly stable, depending on how you look at it |
| 14:20.42 | fsmithred | 99% debian stretch |
| 14:21.41 | fsmithred | is she going to use synaptic to install packages? |
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| 14:22.22 | nemo | fsmithred: in theory. |
| 14:22.29 | nemo | fsmithred: in practice it's usually me doing that |
| 14:22.33 | fsmithred | it probably won't start from the menu |
| 14:22.51 | fsmithred | all the apps that start with pkexec don't work, and that seems to be a debian thing |
| 14:22.59 | nemo | interestingly, my mom was more adventurous on that front. although, gotta say, the ubuntu software centre made it a lot easier and safer, even if it screwed up stupid stuff, like install license prompts |
| 14:23.09 | fsmithred | oh, they work if you're set up to use sudo instead of a root account |
| 14:23.21 | nemo | fsmithred: yeah, using sudo, so that's not a problem |
| 14:23.23 | fsmithred | and that behavior might be fixed in devuan soon |
| 14:23.40 | nemo | I've pretty much given up on root password on all my debian/ubuntu machines - only a few of the older gentoo still have it |
| 14:23.45 | nemo | probably shouldn't have it on them either |
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| 14:24.05 | nemo | avoids accidentally exposing it to remote authentication |
| 14:24.24 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 14:25.35 | fsmithred | how would it get exposed? |
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| 14:33.57 | nemo | fsmithred: oh, dunno, bad ssh setup, bad postfix setup... |
| 14:34.01 | nemo | these things happen! |
| 14:34.09 | nemo | really really stupid ftp setup... ⺠|
| 14:34.25 | nemo | fsmithred: oh. not actually exposing what password is, but letting them guess it at all. |
| 14:34.34 | nemo | actually exposing /etc/shadow would be pretty bad |
| 14:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sigyn: welcome |
| 14:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | grumble: when I would /kick her, could I /invite her again? and how would I proceed when she gets trigger-happy in here? |
| 14:39.01 | grumble | while opped, you can "/msg sigyn unkline nickname" for recent trigger-happy false positives |
| 14:41.57 | fsmithred | ponders the meaning of the name, Sigyn |
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| 14:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: norsk iirc |
| 14:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | norsk name |
| 14:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | grumble: that's awesome :- |
| 14:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 14:46.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: ^^^ |
| 14:46.54 | MinceR | :) |
| 14:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | is gtfobot still alive? |
| 14:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | need to ponder what to do about it, whether to keep it or not |
| 14:48.46 | fsmithred | I don't know. I wasn't here much yesterday. |
| 14:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, seems this is a good moment for me to call it "an afternoon" and go afk/offline |
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| 15:02.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | a warning to all users (from sigyn devels) - refrain from huge pastes or you might (and prolly will) get klined! in such case, try to contact chanops immediately using webchat or whatever) to get un-klined |
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| 15:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you fail to do so, you'll probably have to go the official generic way to send a mail to freenode staff asking to unban you |
| 15:04.53 | fsmithred | another user name won't work? |
| 15:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | will, if you also change IP |
| 15:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 15:05.18 | fsmithred | ok, that's what I was wondering |
| 15:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | but chanops only can unkline *recent* bans |
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| 15:07.55 | nemo | hm. what do you guys consider huge pastes? I mean, I'm not likely to, but... 3 lines is fine surely? |
| 15:08.02 | nemo | don't want to trigger klines |
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| 15:22.01 | djph | 2-3 lines (as in <nemo> line1 \n <nemo> line2 \n <nemo> line3) is usually a good limit. I've got my client questioning if I have two lines, just in case |
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| 15:28.41 | FatPhil | is there a RasPi (B+) live ISO somewhere. I see mention of it on the web, but then I hit 404s |
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| 15:29.42 | FatPhil | oooh the "embedded" directory... |
| 15:30.32 | FatPhil | is the image a live one? without external storage, I can't really "install" devuan. |
| 15:32.11 | KatolaZ_ | FatPhil: you simply flash the image on a sd card |
| 15:32.37 | FatPhil | KatolaZ: how does it manage partition sizes? |
| 15:32.53 | KatolaZ | you adjust those afterwards |
| 15:34.26 | FatPhil | hoxdox. foolishly, I'm doing this from my raspi. need to go back to a real computer to actually grab the image and flash, herp derp |
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| 15:55.22 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: or just plug a USB sd-card reader :) |
| 15:58.20 | FatPhil | KatolaZ: my RasPi reboots when I plug in USB devices, power draw too high :( |
| 16:01.15 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: uh? |
| 16:01.32 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: you probably need a better power source :) |
| 16:03.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | wait? dang |
| 16:04.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | MinceR: golinux: are there any commitbots or the like reporting in this chan that I got on /ignore and thus forgot to get on sigyn's whitelist? |
| 16:07.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | if so, please tell grumble |
| 16:07.07 | MinceR | i'm not aware of it |
| 16:07.19 | MinceR | but that doesn't mean much |
| 16:09.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, worst case they get klined and we can unkline and tackle the subject when due |
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| 16:11.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | another info: chanops ae immune, but only while actually op'ed |
| 16:29.03 | FatPhil | KatolaZ: OK, booted afresh. How do I do the live repartition? Is it just this: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/499/how-can-i-resize-my-root-partition |
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| 16:58.28 | FatPhil | ug, aptitude is giving me 404s for various packages that I need from auto.mirror.devuan.org IP 2a04:4e42:14::204 |
| 17:09.00 | jonadab | FatPhil: When was the last time you did apt-get update? |
| 17:13.43 | FatPhil | jonadab: never. I only downloaded the mmc image a couple of hours ago |
| 17:17.57 | jonadab | FatPhil: Ok, so it's possible that the package versions apt knows about are out of date and no longer present on the server. |
| 17:18.34 | FatPhil | yikes, aptitude is misbehaving, I just tried to update from within that. |
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| 18:06.17 | FatPhil | yeah, aptitude's locking up midway through the update, seems reproducable. as it's curses, the screen clears, there's no error message on screen |
| 18:08.55 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: have you tried with a simple "apt-get update"? |
| 18:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: long time no see! :-) |
| 18:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's kernel business? |
| 18:14.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or am I mistaken for your nick? |
| 18:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | zzztop? |
| 18:17.27 | FatPhil | DocScrutinizer05: 'tis me, but I've not been in kernel space for many years |
| 18:17.48 | FatPhil | KatolaZ: aptitude takes so much time to start and stop, now I'm in, I'm not leaving! |
| 18:18.02 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: apt-get update |
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| 18:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: happy new year, nice to have you around |
| 18:19.40 | FatPhil | you too |
| 18:21.13 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: but what rpi are you using? |
| 18:21.23 | KatolaZ | I mean, devuan is not that slow on mine |
| 18:21.36 | KatolaZ | and I have both a 2B and a 3 |
| 18:22.36 | KatolaZ | and a zero |
| 18:22.41 | KatolaZ | and all of them run devuan fine |
| 18:23.44 | FatPhil | original B+, with a shitty shitty memory card |
| 18:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | here we go, wasn't trivial without adding 'maemo' to search: http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop |
| 18:24.21 | FatPhil | update worked when I split teh update into 2 |
| 18:24.24 | KatolaZ | FatPhil: should be a very shitty mmc then :) |
| 18:26.27 | FatPhil | Hmmm, why hasn't ntpd updated the date, I'm stuck in 1970 |
| 18:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | boggles when time diff too large |
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| 18:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | without flags only handles a 10min adjust iirc |
| 18:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | gaaawd this VNC SUUUUUCKS |
| 18:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is it the CF-29 ndisplay that does? |
| 18:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | or the "LTE" that isn't |
| 18:29.24 | fsmithred | which vnc and what's it doing? |
| 18:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | lags like hell, dorps keypresses and renders like a pig's anus |
| 18:30.25 | fsmithred | I only have one and a half of those - ugly and when I type ( I get nothing |
| 18:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | felt RTT: 500ms, even for mouse moves |
| 18:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and default fontsize on my home workstation renders to 2PT on CF-29 |
| 18:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | with funny atrifacts |
| 18:32.01 | fsmithred | you can fit a lot more text that way. |
| 18:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahahahaha |
| 18:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | a nd read none of it |
| 18:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway greetings from costa de la luz |
| 18:33.06 | fsmithred | you on vacation? |
| 18:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | which has a pretty much fitting name |
| 18:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sick leave |
| 18:33.39 | fsmithred | sorry to hear you're sick, but it sounds like you're in a nice place |
| 18:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | burnout and HAHAHAHA internet adiction I guess |
| 18:33.57 | fsmithred | lol |
| 18:34.04 | fsmithred | um, the cure isn't working |
| 18:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really, no |
| 18:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | though this "LTE" annoyance and the 10G/mo helps a lot |
| 18:35.59 | fsmithred | back in a few. It warmed up to 11F, so I need to see if my car will start. |
| 18:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeeew, 12 to 16C here, love it |
| 18:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | felt 18C in sun |
| 18:36.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | not bad for winter |
| 18:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: could you please either give me permissions or set Sigyn ACL +V? |
| 18:41.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | 'voice' as "officially approved" tag, might also aply to infobot |
| 18:46.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: oooh now I see it - you say you get no ) ? Same here, it always eats those when I don't press the key for 1s. (which isn't a problem since autorepeat doesn't work anyway) |
| 18:47.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | my typing looks even more lobotomized than usual, half of that thanks to VNC eating keypresses |
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| 18:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: If I'd feel venturous, I'd update this antique fedora crap on this CF-29 right away. Just when it breaks, I'm totally lost without access to my email etc |
| 18:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus, 6 of the 10GB/mo left on my dataplan |
| 18:53.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: I could download a recommended devuan image when I next time get to a free hotspot. What exactly should I get for a Panasonic CF-29? |
| 18:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got a sufficiently large USB stick to boot from |
| 18:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | some devuan live? |
| 18:56.32 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, I'm not familiar with that hardware |
| 18:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing special, a centrino CPU |
| 18:57.49 | fsmithred | 256M ram? |
| 18:58.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | [root@cf29 ~]# uname -a |
| 18:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linux cf29.fedora.local 3.9.10-100.fc17.i686 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:40:11 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 18:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | SOMESUCH, YEAH |
| 18:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ARRGH CAPSLOCK |
| 18:59.56 | fsmithred | xfce will run, but you might not be able to use a browser |
| 19:00.01 | fsmithred | well, not ff |
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| 19:00.51 | fsmithred | if you just want to get full desktop on it without anything fancy like lvm or raid, desktop-live (non-uefi) would work. |
| 19:01.21 | fsmithred | If you want to use a wm, get the netinstall or DVD, install base and then add stuff |
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| 19:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | SORRY, NO IDEA HOW TO DISABLE CPSLOCK IN vnc. nEED TO RE-CONNECT |
| 19:03.19 | fsmithred | turn on caps lock to turn it off |
| 19:03.26 | fsmithred | I ran into that a few days ago |
| 19:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | DOESN'T HELP |
| 19:03.49 | fsmithred | x11vnc? |
| 19:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 19:04.15 | detha | with VNC shift state can get out of sync to a degree that only restarting the entire X server fixes it |
| 19:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | disconnect and connect with local capslock disabled fixes it |
| 19:04.42 | fsmithred | yeah, I think that's what I had to do |
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| 19:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I somehow managed to SET dang capslock around >>[2018-01-02 Tue 19:57:05] <DocScrutinizer05> nothing special, a centrino CPU<<, without reconnect |
| 19:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a trick I didn't find yet |
| 19:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, no FF sounds nasty. Though the FF I got running now is also so rotten and old it doesn't even connect to some https sites due to "no interleaving encryptions" |
| 19:08.00 | fsmithred | I suggest something very light, like jwm or icewm |
| 19:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE running moderately fine on this tank mine |
| 19:12.23 | fsmithred | wow |
| 19:12.32 | fsmithred | kde2? |
| 19:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | RAM: 984MB |
| 19:13.06 | fsmithred | oh, no problem |
| 19:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE4.11.15 |
| 19:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops nope, that's my WS |
| 19:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | VNC ;-P |
| 19:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4.10.5 |
| 19:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | FF22.0 *cough* |
| 19:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | tried update, no dice. missing libs |
| 19:15.55 | fsmithred | yeah, your kde is older than what's in jessie |
| 19:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | way older |
| 19:16.18 | fsmithred | I think I have a ff-3.x package if you want it |
| 19:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | see uname ^^^ |
| 19:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2013 |
| 19:16.44 | fsmithred | so how much ram? |
| 19:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 994 says systray |
| 19:17.43 | fsmithred | ok, you're allowed to have kde |
| 19:19.11 | fsmithred | and don't use the desktop-live, because you only get xfce with that |
| 19:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz |
| 19:20.47 | FatPhil | is there a devuan package contents search webpage, or should I just use debian's? |
| 19:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so which devuan image to DL and dd to usb stick? |
| 19:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: not sure but I think no such devuan page yet |
| 19:21.55 | fsmithred | netinstall is probably good choice |
| 19:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not since I'm only at hotspot for a very limited time |
| 19:22.40 | fsmithred | then dvd |
| 19:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 19:22.55 | fsmithred | but not CD, unless you want to use it for netinstall |
| 19:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | !packages |
| 19:23.33 | infobot | hmm... #devuan packagelist is on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages |
| 19:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: ^^^ |
| 19:28.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: aiui all that's NOT in this list is identical to debian |
| 19:28.55 | fsmithred | there are also package lists with the isos |
| 19:29.05 | fsmithred | at files.devuan.org |
| 19:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I forgot the apt command to search them |
| 19:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-files ? |
| 19:29.44 | fsmithred | apt-file |
| 19:30.12 | fsmithred | not sure if that's working in jessie |
| 19:31.22 | fsmithred | FatPhil, is there something specific you want to look for? |
| 19:36.50 | FatPhil | I was just wondering who wrote to /etc/mailname. It's not really owned by any one package. |
| 19:40.10 | fsmithred | in ascii, I get: apt-file find mailname |
| 19:40.10 | fsmithred | manpages-fr: /usr/share/man/fr/man5/mailname.5.gz |
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| 19:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | !seen jaromil |
| 19:46.37 | infobot | jaromil is currently on #devuan, last said: 'i mean main devuan repos'. |
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| 21:05.37 | greenjeans | happy new year Devuan'ers! |
| 21:09.09 | MinceR | hny |
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| 23:22.18 | bozonius | getting a lot of these lately: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
| 23:22.45 | bozonius | And why not? Never had an issue until recently. |
| 23:23.34 | bozonius | oh, I did add backports to sources, so maybe... ? |
| 23:24.16 | djph | backports would be a good bet - you don't have the key, or they have a "weak signature" on the package |
| 23:26.08 | bozonius | just ran apt-get update, then re-ran the install attempt, and this time, no issues. in fact, it took off from where it was giving me the warning. |
| 23:26.11 | bozonius | boy it is smart |
| 23:26.59 | bozonius | I think I know the problem. I've been using the pacapt (pacman) script a lot lately, and it may not be doing the update step when needed. |
| 23:27.15 | bozonius | So a manual update seems to have been needed. |
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