| 00:05.32 | bozonius | fsmithred: OK, I now have the backport of jre 8. Do I need to do anything else to make "java" call this in? |
| 00:05.46 | fsmithred | I have no idea |
| 00:06.16 | bozonius | ok. thanks |
| 00:24.09 | Xenguy | fsmithred: My bad: $ which imagemagick |
| 00:24.11 | Xenguy | $ |
| 00:24.58 | Xenguy | Having said that, it would appear the patch hasn't arrived in Wheezy yet |
| 00:25.15 | Xenguy | But that's neither here nor there in this channel |
| 00:27.14 | Xenguy | heh, double my bad, imagemagick *is* installed |
| 00:28.02 | Xenguy | fsmithred: So to answer your original question: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8 |
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| 01:19.03 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:45.53 | sirix | hi there and happy hollydays |
| 01:49.24 | blinkdog | happy holidays sirix |
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| 04:05.43 | vahe | hi #Devuan |
| 04:06.01 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 04:06.23 | vahe | I need help I'm trying to install the OS on N900 |
| 04:06.25 | AlexLikeRock | etech3, you have bad conetion , please check out |
| 04:07.22 | vahe | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/embedded/ how to extract img in sdcard ? |
| 04:07.30 | vahe | (n900.img) |
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| 04:08.43 | vahe | dd if=n900.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=64K ; sync |
| 04:09.07 | vahe | but the OS in the boot menu don't see |
| 04:09.48 | AlexLikeRock | do you extract from .XZ ??? |
| 04:09.56 | vahe | yes :) |
| 04:10.15 | vahe | in the inside the same img |
| 04:12.39 | AlexLikeRock | https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md |
| 04:12.51 | AlexLikeRock | dd bs=4M if=2017-11-29-raspbian-stretch.img of=/dev/sdX conv=fsync |
| 04:12.52 | AlexLikeRock | Please note that block size set to 4M will work most of the time. If not, try 1M, although this will take considerably longer. |
| 04:12.52 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.11 | vahe | ok thanks AlexLikeRock |
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| 04:14.15 | vahe | i try now |
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| 04:29.44 | nacelle | cat 2017-11-29-raspbian-stretch.img > /dev/sdX |
| 04:29.50 | nacelle | https://eklitzke.org/the-cult-of-dd |
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| 04:30.01 | nacelle | conv=fsync == takes considerably longer! |
| 04:30.02 | AlexLikeRock | etech3, stop |
| 04:30.09 | AlexLikeRock | bad conetion |
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| 04:35.44 | AlexLikeRock | !admins etech3 flood |
| 04:35.55 | AlexLikeRock | !spam etech3 |
| 04:35.55 | infobot | ACTION subscribes etech3 to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for etech3 to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
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| 05:33.34 | AlexLikeRock | Artemis3, could you make a BAN to etech3 ? |
| 05:33.46 | AlexLikeRock | they make a flod |
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| 05:44.53 | nacelle | AlexLikeRock: fwiw, a bunch of accounts have been coming in and spaming the channels of freenode and other irc networks as of late. |
| 05:45.13 | nacelle | best you can do in the short term is to /ignore them with your local client |
| 05:45.29 | nacelle | in addition to setting +R on yourself so you only see registered clients |
| 05:45.57 | nacelle | but that doesnt solve it entirely, they occasionally get on with a registered account and go to town too |
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| 07:22.46 | de222 | I'm running mate\slim (devuan ascii). When I shut down\restart the screen almost always goes black and the power button stays lit. If I shut it down with the power button forcefully and power it back up the screen is still blank and the button is lit. I have to turn it off again to power it back up. |
| 07:22.54 | de222 | This never happened when I had another os on here |
| 07:23.39 | de222 | Any idea where the slim shutdown logs are? |
| 07:24.58 | de222 | maybe its the power management |
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| 07:25.38 | de222 | found pm-powersave.lgo |
| 07:25.40 | de222 | log |
| 07:27.26 | de222 | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/140526/debian-wont-shut-down-completely seems similar |
| 07:31.51 | de222 | i'll add acpi=force to /etc/default/grub maybe |
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| 07:37.02 | de222 | didn't work i have to power the laptop on and off like 3 times just to boot |
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| 12:20.45 | vahe | https://spyurk.am/posts/a4a72a40cebf013578f9746d04923301 nokia n900 on devuan :) |
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| 13:49.23 | CatButts | [14:20] <vahe> https://spyurk.am/posts/a4a72a40cebf013578f9746d04923301 nokia n900 on devuan :) |
| 13:49.40 | CatButts | yes, now to get the bloody fucker all pretty and graphical |
| 13:52.08 | CatButts | ...once I get off me bum |
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| 14:09.43 | CatButts | I need to shop around for window managers |
| 14:09.52 | CatButts | that is, windowshopping! |
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| 14:20.24 | CatButts | window managers... desktop environments... |
| 14:20.30 | CatButts | my head is spinning |
| 14:24.23 | gnarface | CatButts: i like e17 |
| 14:28.00 | msiism | CatButts: if you want a no-nonsense window manager that is really just a window manager (except for its neat little menu), i recommend openbox. |
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| 14:30.02 | giancarlogiuffra | hello everyone, I hope someone can help me out |
| 14:30.37 | giancarlogiuffra | i was trying to install virtualbox-5.1 in a devuan ascii |
| 14:31.18 | giancarlogiuffra | but there were some dependencies that were not installable |
| 14:31.43 | giancarlogiuffra | two in particular: libvpx1 and libpng |
| 14:32.03 | g4570n | you have the ascii-backports repos in the sources.list? |
| 14:33.06 | giancarlogiuffra | no that one i'm missing |
| 14:33.41 | g4570n | try it, and apt update |
| 14:34.42 | giancarlogiuffra | i'm new to devuan and linux in general, do you know a good starting guide to understand better the structure of repositories for sources.list? i'll start there for now |
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| 14:35.18 | giancarlogiuffra | and thank you, i will add it and try the ascii-backports repo |
| 14:36.19 | nemo | fsmithred: so. your 4.12 snapshot does *not* have the uefi memory corruption bug - is it doing any uefi anything at all? |
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| 14:37.34 | g4570n | giancarlogiuffra: you can start here https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:38.06 | CatButts | enlightenment... |
| 14:38.10 | CatButts | that rings a bell |
| 14:39.28 | CatButts | https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened |
| 14:39.37 | CatButts | is it this kinda of enlightenment? |
| 14:39.43 | nemo | CatButts: I'm pretty much habituated to MATE, it's not sexy, but, eh, I've got it configured the way I like it |
| 14:39.56 | CatButts | oh, forgot to mention |
| 14:40.03 | CatButts | n900 mobile phone |
| 14:40.23 | nemo | hm. ubuntu had some window manager for mobile no? |
| 14:40.27 | CatButts | no right click, no middle click, any pointing is always a click |
| 14:41.08 | nemo | that's why I like the note 4. the stylus has a right click button ⺠and hover. |
| 14:44.41 | giancarlogiuffra | g470n thanks |
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| 14:51.25 | CatButts | https://regmedia.co.uk/2012/08/08/cde_desktop_image_big.jpg |
| 14:51.28 | CatButts | tee hee |
| 14:57.39 | nemo | hm. ok. new question. does anyone know where I would find the sources for the jessie backport 4.9 kernel? Guess I need to try patching this one by hand |
| 15:01.39 | nemo | hm. this isn't promising for the touchpad â¹ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=876141 |
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| 15:15.46 | g4570n | nemo: here is not the source for that kernel? https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 15:20.17 | nemo | g4570n: hm. I guess thanks. now I just need to ask someone how one goes about setting up package build, but can wait, gotta get kid to doctor |
| 15:26.38 | gnarface | nemo: you just need to also add the deb-src line for backports, then apt-get source instead of apt-get install |
| 15:26.59 | nemo | 'k |
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| 15:27.21 | nemo | the touchpad thing is worrying, but getting the wifi working reliably might be good enough for now |
| 15:47.03 | CatButts | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FLWM_1.02.ogv |
| 15:47.13 | CatButts | what a curious little thing |
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| 15:49.29 | gnarface | 216KB not bad |
| 15:51.28 | CatButts | I know of it because of FLTK |
| 15:51.58 | CatButts | miwm is the other one |
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| 15:53.38 | gnarface | for a minimal WM i like blackbox |
| 15:54.01 | CatButts | I use bblean on windows |
| 15:54.21 | CatButts | derived of bb4win |
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| 15:59.29 | gnarface | i3wm seems to be gaining popularity recently |
| 15:59.39 | gnarface | i'm not sure i'm into the whole tiling thing though |
| 16:02.22 | pydsigner | You don't have to tile though |
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| 16:36.48 | hyperion_ | hey guys |
| 16:36.52 | hyperion_ | is someone in here |
| 16:36.57 | hyperion_ | I need help with something |
| 16:37.08 | CatButts | meow |
| 16:37.12 | NewGnuGuy | just ask |
| 16:37.15 | hyperion_ | is possible to have somekind like nm-applet running on devuan? |
| 16:37.25 | hyperion_ | I got a problem with wicd |
| 16:37.34 | CatButts | I only know about Java applets |
| 16:37.39 | hyperion_ | ok |
| 16:37.44 | hyperion_ | CatButts is troll? |
| 16:37.59 | hyperion_ | so NewGnuGuy |
| 16:38.04 | CatButts | meow |
| 16:38.09 | hyperion_ | I know the default for the distro is wicd |
| 16:38.29 | hyperion_ | but wicd doesnt automatically connect when you connect a Rj45 cable to the PC/laptop |
| 16:38.50 | hyperion_ | I installed NetworkManager |
| 16:39.03 | hyperion_ | and I am trying to figure out how to get that functionality |
| 16:39.12 | hyperion_ | so man? |
| 16:39.21 | hyperion_ | I was searching in the Dev1 forums |
| 16:39.25 | NewGnuGuy | Isn't wicd focused on wireless? |
| 16:39.35 | hyperion_ | but there's no help about GUI on NetworkManager |
| 16:39.55 | hyperion_ | I need Gui for NetworManager and automated RJ45 connection after plugging the cable. |
| 16:40.31 | g4570n | I connect by cable automatically using wicd without problems |
| 16:40.40 | NewGnuGuy | I haven't researched network GUIs |
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| 16:41.08 | hyperion_ | well in my computer doesnt |
| 16:41.23 | hyperion_ | I need to open the GUI and connect manually |
| 16:41.28 | djph | what's wrong with setting /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:42.00 | hyperion_ | multiple offers connections? |
| 16:42.05 | hyperion_ | mutiple configurations? |
| 16:42.14 | hyperion_ | using laptop or computer for configuring endpoints' |
| 16:42.15 | hyperion_ | ? |
| 16:42.23 | hyperion_ | I need three sets. |
| 16:42.45 | hyperion_ | 192.168.0.1, 192.168.100.1 and 192.168.1.1 and sometimes 192.168.1.254 and automatic DHCP too. |
| 16:42.52 | g4570n | you use DHCP o static ip? |
| 16:42.56 | hyperion_ | both |
| 16:43.01 | hyperion_ | depends on the case |
| 16:43.21 | hyperion_ | my computer is not a stranding whale is a living tool for configuring endpoints, I repeat. |
| 16:43.41 | hyperion_ | I need all those configurations avaliable for fast change |
| 16:46.11 | g4570n | in the preferences - general settings - wired interface, is setup: eth0 ? |
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| 16:46.38 | hyperion_ | yes |
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| 16:49.33 | hyperion_ | NEVERMIND |
| 16:49.42 | hyperion_ | I did install a deb of nm-applet |
| 16:49.48 | hyperion_ | and it only required 1 dependency |
| 16:49.50 | hyperion_ | thanks folks |
| 16:49.53 | hyperion_ | goodbye |
| 16:52.19 | CatButts | Java! |
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| 16:56.33 | g4570n | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 19:26.17 | CatButts | oh hey, I can get xwayland on this thing |
| 19:26.22 | CatButts | instead of xorg |
| 19:26.28 | CatButts | but to what avail |
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| 19:29.00 | NewGnuGuy | is still waiting for a compelling benefit of using wayland rather than xorg |
| 19:35.31 | Walex | NewGnuGuy: soon you won't have a choice... |
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| 19:36.52 | NewGnuGuy | Walex: not if I don't stop using the software I'm using |
| 19:37.28 | Walex | NewGnuGuy: ah yor optimism is so refreshing. Youu will also have to not stop, using the GPUs you are using... |
| 19:37.42 | CatButts | rolls on his cat butt pondering his next step |
| 19:38.34 | Walex | NewGnuGuy: at some point only the Wayland drivers will get updated for new GPUs and the only Xorg driver remaining will be the Wayland one. |
| 19:39.36 | Walex | NewGnuGuy: the X11/Wayland/Weston story is far crazier than either side has described. |
| 19:39.48 | NewGnuGuy | xorg devs will keep on developing xorg for the foreseeable future |
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| 19:41.38 | Walex | NewGnuGuy: there are not enough xorg devs to develop drivers for both 'Xorg' and 'weston'. |
| 19:41.55 | Walex | NewGnuGuy: indeed driver development for both has been very very slow. |
| 19:42.20 | Walex | NewGnuGuy: that's what Mir was designed to solve. But people hate on Canonical "just because. |
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| 19:43.22 | Walex | NewGnuGuy: plus one of the four worsemen (as in: worse is better) of the Linux apocalypse, Keith Packard, has been working hard to promote Wayland and Weston. |
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| 19:47.02 | golinux | <NewGnuGuy> Isn't wicd focused on wireless? |
| 19:47.23 | golinux | I have never used wireless and wicd works fine. |
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| 19:50.49 | CatButts | so between all this xorg and wayland |
| 19:51.03 | CatButts | with my 2009 n900 doohickey phone |
| 19:51.09 | CatButts | where do I stand |
| 19:51.37 | Walex | CatButts: on a tightrope. |
| 19:52.26 | Walex | CatButts: perhaps you should switch like I did to Ubuntu Phone it still has an active community. |
| 19:52.46 | Walex | CatButts: but likely not to work on an N900. |
| 19:52.55 | CatButts | sod it then |
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| 19:53.05 | CatButts | xorg it is |
| 19:53.20 | Walex | CatButts: the difficulty as I was saying is GPU drivers. |
| 19:53.53 | Walex | CatButts: the Unique Selling Point of Mir was/is that it can use Android drivers. |
| 19:53.57 | CatButts | "I hope my body can take it" |
| 19:54.16 | Walex | CatButts: "I can stop doing it anytime" |
| 19:54.18 | Walex | :-) |
| 19:54.51 | CatButts | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w6i70ztZKY |
| 19:55.27 | Walex | the big deal with non-IA32/AMD64 platforms is that they are not standardized, every one is "mystery meat" which requires customization. Except for POWER. :-) |
| 19:55.52 | Walex | and arguably SPARC64 |
| 19:57.01 | CatButts | >mystery meat |
| 19:57.02 | Walex | But I don't hold many hopes for POWER and SPARC powered mobile phones or PCs in the near future. |
| 19:57.04 | CatButts | hmmmmm |
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| 19:59.34 | Walex | just about every ARM or MIPS system from Guangdong etc. requires a custom kernel... |
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| 20:16.31 | CatButts | 10:15 PM] Chocobo13: I wonder what init system Devuan uses |
| 20:16.31 | CatButts | [10:16 PM] CatButts: I can ask(edited) |
| 20:16.31 | CatButts | [10:16 PM] Chocobo13: That would be helpful |
| 20:16.43 | CatButts | here be the question |
| 20:17.40 | CatButts | drunkenly brings /topic closer |
| 20:18.04 | CatButts | >Devuan GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd. |
| 20:18.38 | CatButts | that's a start |
| 20:20.18 | CatButts | >By default Jessie runs with the same init system as Debian Wheezy, the venerable sysvinit. |
| 20:20.48 | CatButts | 10:20 PM] Chocobo13: Sounds like research time |
| 20:20.50 | CatButts | haha |
| 20:23.25 | Walex | Devuan is for "init freedom". Like in UNIX dammit |
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| 20:51.53 | AlexLikeRock | F**K yeah! |
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| 20:59.56 | CatButts | AMERICA |
| 21:00.01 | CatButts | FUCK YEAH |
| 21:00.41 | CatButts | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M |
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| 21:04.55 | AlexLikeRock | México |
| 21:04.59 | AlexLikeRock | F**K yeah! |
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| 21:27.53 | nemo | g4570n: I switched her laptop to nm-applet too |
| 21:28.01 | nemo | I like the interace better |
| 21:36.32 | g4570n | nemo: Wicd worked well for me, so that's why I did not need to install NetworkManager |
| 21:39.33 | nemo | g4570n: eh. In the end I don't like surprising family members too much, so I'm trying to maintain the interface they are familiar w/ |
| 21:39.48 | nemo | g4570n: gnome2/MATE hasn't changed on 'em nearly as much as, oh, windows ⺠|
| 21:41.49 | g4570n | :D |
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| 23:58.31 | gnu_srs | Hi, anybody has an idea on how to find the memory-leak of Xorg? Now it is more than 14.5% of 16G (and increasing) |
| 23:59.30 | gnu_srs | Rebooting (restarting X) every 10-20 days is not a good solution :( |
