| 00:00.04 | nemo | gnarface: it's got 8GiB ⺠|
| 00:00.41 | nemo | gnarface: well. I had to turn off secure boot to get the dvd image to boot |
| 00:00.51 | fsmithred | the desktop will use around 180mb of that |
| 00:00.54 | nemo | gnarface: so pretty likely it is uefi like almost everything is now |
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| 00:10.55 | nemo | ahhh. yep. this is much better. time to rearrange partitions. |
| 00:17.49 | nemo | heh. "EXPERIMENTAL UEFI INSTALLER" |
| 00:17.52 | nemo | that's kinda worrying |
| 00:17.53 | nemo | oh well! |
| 00:18.08 | MinceR | uefi, the failed experiment that never ends |
| 00:18.09 | fsmithred | if it gives you any comfort, I wrote it |
| 00:18.15 | nemo | lol |
| 00:18.24 | fsmithred | and 1+ for MinceR |
| 00:18.27 | nemo | fsmithred: so the all caps was just for attractive blockiness? |
| 00:18.43 | fsmithred | no, it was to avoid hearing complaints |
| 00:18.46 | nemo | MinceR: mix systemd in for added rm -rf fun! |
| 00:19.32 | fsmithred | if something goes wrong, I can blame it on poor uefi implementation by the manufacturer |
| 00:19.34 | nemo | welp. all these checkboxes seem pretty reasonable |
| 00:19.36 | specing | Glad I don't have to deal with all this ;) |
| 00:19.58 | fsmithred | nemo, the part about moving partitions is not what you're looking for |
| 00:20.05 | specing | also hi nemo |
| 00:20.31 | nemo | heh. hi |
| 00:20.36 | nemo | fsmithred: well. I already ran gparted |
| 00:20.40 | nemo | so I just skipped that part |
| 00:20.45 | fsmithred | cool |
| 00:21.04 | nemo | hm. "you did not choose a swap partition" whaaat? |
| 00:21.09 | nemo | I saw a swap dialog and clicked ok |
| 00:21.12 | nemo | it had a single entry |
| 00:21.15 | fsmithred | if you wanted to use something other than ext2/3/4 it's possible |
| 00:21.17 | nemo | maybe it was a list and I had to pick the one entry |
| 00:21.18 | fsmithred | yeah, good |
| 00:21.26 | nemo | meh. *starts over* |
| 00:21.33 | fsmithred | it would be a list if you had more than one swap partition |
| 00:22.00 | nemo | ah, there we go |
| 00:22.22 | nemo | welp. it's doing something |
| 00:22.25 | nemo | crosses his fingers |
| 00:22.30 | nemo | oh. tzdata |
| 00:22.40 | fsmithred | oh right, select by highlighting, then ok |
| 00:23.30 | nemo | fsmithred: yeeep. I thought it was just a confirmation |
| 00:23.31 | nemo | no biggie |
| 00:23.34 | nemo | wasn't too far along |
| 00:23.49 | fsmithred | the whole thing only takes 10 minutes |
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| 00:24.08 | nemo | Caps Lock - the best key to use for Compose - it is doing nothing useful anyway |
| 00:25.14 | gnarface | interesting |
| 00:25.34 | nemo | ⥠XCompose |
| 00:26.18 | nemo | I use https://github.com/kragen/xcompose/blob/master/dotXCompose plus some super critical manually added ones like Ñ(ಠçಠÑ) |
| 00:27.34 | nemo | ah. gets interesting at "Install Bootloader" |
| 00:27.37 | nemo | reads this carefully |
| 00:28.15 | MinceR | i just put compose on the 102nd key |
| 00:28.17 | fsmithred | curses uefi under his breath |
| 00:28.31 | MinceR | it doesn't really do anything nonredundant anyway |
| 00:28.39 | gnarface | i put it on the windows key |
| 00:28.58 | nemo | I think uefi is there for same reason intel ME is |
| 00:29.04 | nemo | and systemd |
| 00:29.09 | nemo | NSA needs new exploit points |
| 00:29.25 | nemo | also humans get bored if they don't have new complexity to create. that's where bureaucracy comes from |
| 00:30.04 | nemo | fsmithred: hm. so. if I click Install bootloader - these instructions won't disappear right. it'll make a new window? |
| 00:30.16 | nemo | fsmithred: 'cause... the stupid dialog is not letting me select the text for copying |
| 00:30.21 | nemo | so I gotta type it by hand |
| 00:30.44 | nemo | maybe I should just make a new terminal window in the desktop |
| 00:30.48 | nemo | run the instructions |
| 00:30.50 | nemo | then hit continue |
| 00:31.01 | nemo | oh wait. hm |
| 00:31.07 | nemo | Install bootloader is the *wrong* one to pick |
| 00:31.11 | nemo | "chroot" is what I should pick |
| 00:31.14 | nemo | I think... |
| 00:31.20 | gnarface | hmm |
| 00:31.21 | gnarface | no |
| 00:31.24 | gnarface | i don't think so |
| 00:31.25 | gnarface | wait |
| 00:31.39 | gnarface | well maybe |
| 00:31.41 | fsmithred | yeah, chroot if you want to type commands |
| 00:31.45 | nemo | "Install bootloader" is not going to try and install non-efi grub right |
| 00:31.47 | fsmithred | what is it you want to do? |
| 00:31.58 | nemo | fsmithred: I just want a linux dual boot - don't care what it does |
| 00:32.01 | nemo | and I don't want it broken ⺠|
| 00:32.03 | fsmithred | no, it'll install the grub that's installed in the running system |
| 00:32.08 | nemo | frankly I don't care if windows boots... |
| 00:32.12 | fsmithred | do you already have a working bootloader? |
| 00:32.13 | nemo | although chain loading could be helpful |
| 00:32.19 | nemo | fsmithred: I guess so - windows has one right? |
| 00:32.29 | fsmithred | well, I meant one that will boot linux |
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| 00:32.39 | nemo | my stratgy with new machines is to shrink windows down as small as it can go - which on a windows 10 system is about 30 gigs |
| 00:32.47 | nemo | just in case I need it later for warranty or some other nonsense |
| 00:32.55 | fsmithred | yeah, sounds reasonable |
| 00:32.57 | nemo | fsmithred: nope. brand new install |
| 00:33.16 | fsmithred | so let it install grub. You don't need to tell it anything. |
| 00:33.20 | nemo | ok |
| 00:34.23 | nemo | BTW, I don't know if you guys do this kinda thing, but I learned something about windows partition resize today (I normally resize the windows partition inside windows after uninstalling all the useless junk, disabling restore points, turning off swap, stopping all services etc) |
| 00:34.56 | nemo | Apparently it'll tell you you can resize down to X... And if you hit ok, it'll error 'cause that apparently shrinks windows down too aggressively. In this case X was about 900GiB |
| 00:35.51 | nemo | but, I found that X-20GiB worked. Then... on the new smaller windows, I ran it again, leaving like 5 or 10 gigs. Then 3, then 2, then 1 and 1 |
| 00:36.05 | nemo | plenty of "you're resizing it too small" errors but eventually it worked |
| 00:36.23 | nemo | er. "not enough free space for operation" was the actual error I think |
| 00:37.05 | nemo | hm. "Use sudo only for shutdown?" whaaaat? |
| 00:37.29 | nemo | doesn't sound like something I want, but is checked by default |
| 00:37.59 | fsmithred | so uncheck it if you don't want it |
| 00:38.04 | nemo | fsmithred: if I leave that checked, my new sudo user is still an admin right? they have install privs? |
| 00:38.15 | nemo | it isn't about adding them to a "shutdown" sudoers group? |
| 00:38.18 | fsmithred | it gives you sudo nopasswd for shutdown, reboot, |
| 00:38.31 | fsmithred | not to group, just a few specific commands |
| 00:38.36 | nemo | oh.. hum |
| 00:38.39 | nemo | meh |
| 00:38.46 | nemo | well. maybe that's useful |
| 00:38.47 | fsmithred | your new user is not admin unless you check sudo as default |
| 00:38.59 | nemo | like, MATE maybe needs that to run its graphical shutdown ? |
| 00:39.13 | fsmithred | I used that first in openbox |
| 00:39.15 | nemo | eh. can clean it up later. |
| 00:39.27 | nemo | just wanted to make sure I didn't have to reboot to add an admin ⺠|
| 00:39.45 | fsmithred | the shutdown selection just puts a file in /etc/sudoers.d |
| 00:39.49 | fsmithred | you can remove it later |
| 00:40.03 | nemo | hm. prompting for root password. standard devuan graphical installer says not entering root password forces sudo only (no root login) but doesn't seem like this installer wants that |
| 00:40.12 | nemo | so I guess I'll just change that after install |
| 00:40.24 | nemo | clicking ok without entering anything just errors |
| 00:40.35 | fsmithred | you want sudo for everything or you want a root account? |
| 00:40.37 | fsmithred | or both? |
| 00:41.02 | nemo | root account, but not a login account. |
| 00:41.07 | nemo | sudo su to access. no password in shadow |
| 00:41.33 | fsmithred | one of those choices will give you that |
| 00:41.46 | fsmithred | I have to check the exact wording |
| 00:41.47 | nemo | "You should reset the root password" is the dialog I'm on |
| 00:41.56 | nemo | it has no option to skip like the normal installer |
| 00:41.58 | fsmithred | so you still have a root login account |
| 00:42.02 | nemo | huh |
| 00:42.06 | nemo | don't remember choosing that |
| 00:42.16 | nemo | oh well. no big deal. is easy to change later |
| 00:42.20 | nemo | sets a pass |
| 00:43.22 | fsmithred | you should have taken the third option: |
| 00:43.38 | fsmithred | Use sudo as default for new user (and disable root account.) |
| 00:43.48 | nemo | oh |
| 00:43.52 | nemo | I didn't understand what that meant |
| 00:44.02 | nemo | didn't want any new user accoutns created to be automatically in sudoers |
| 00:44.06 | nemo | which is what it sounded like |
| 00:44.24 | nemo | hm. my new boot menu does not have Windows in it |
| 00:44.38 | nemo | guess fixing that is somewhere low down on priority list - I just want to make sure windows still actually boots |
| 00:44.41 | nemo | in case I need it later |
| 00:44.49 | nemo | ok. first things first, install MATE |
| 00:48.40 | nemo | well, ssh, synaptic then MATE ⺠|
| 01:03.23 | nemo | huh... mate-desktop-environment doesn't include nm-applet? |
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| 01:05.24 | nemo | using this less pretty wicd thing. |
| 01:06.44 | gnarface | isn't it just gtk? |
| 01:06.49 | gnarface | i think it's themeable |
| 01:07.28 | gnarface | is nm-applet part of network-manager? i think there's a problem with network-manager's dependencies on systemd |
| 01:11.52 | fsmithred | nemo, are you in jessie? |
| 01:13.05 | nemo | fsmithred: yep |
| 01:13.34 | fsmithred | there's a devuanized nm in jessie |
| 01:13.49 | fsmithred | but I don't know about the applet. Is that a separate package in debian? |
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| 01:15.47 | nemo | fsmithred: it was the standard (I thought) network manager applet in gnome2/MATE |
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| 01:31.37 | nemo | right. now to copy over her old desktop and see what apps I've forgotten ⺠|
| 01:32.40 | nemo | nm-applet worked fine in MATE btw |
| 01:34.49 | nemo | so. I suppose this goes without saying, but if I just happily apt-get install stuff my SO is familiar with, like shotwell, there's no chance of my accidentally installing systemd right ⺠|
| 01:34.53 | nemo | it is blacklisted? |
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| 01:36.05 | fsmithred | right |
| 01:37.47 | nemo | \o/ |
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| 10:45.59 | gnarface | so, anyone get a steam controller and try it with eudev yet? |
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| 11:39.14 | nepugia | what do you want to try with eudev? |
| 11:44.26 | gnarface | compatibility |
| 11:44.49 | gnarface | with some specific games |
| 11:45.33 | gnarface | well, more specifically, the community profiles contributed for certain games |
| 11:46.13 | gnarface | i could give you some simple tests if you had one and were running eudev |
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| 11:58.15 | nepugia | i have one and have a devuan ascii laptop with steam, gues i only need to install eudev |
| 11:58.57 | gnarface | i can explain to you what to look for, or i can just give you some direct tests |
| 11:59.13 | gnarface | it kinda depends on your patience level and your existing knowledge level |
| 11:59.39 | gnarface | probably it would be optimal to test BEFORE installing eudev as well, just so we have a control case |
| 12:00.17 | gnarface | i guess there's no real going back |
| 12:00.22 | gnarface | so maybe, make sure you have a backup |
| 12:00.26 | gnarface | or that you just don't care what happens |
| 12:00.51 | nepugia | Ha, that install is screwed enough already :) |
| 12:02.37 | nepugia | are you aware of the steam-devices package? |
| 12:04.07 | gnarface | yes, but i'm not using it |
| 12:04.16 | gnarface | it's not for solving this problem |
| 12:04.56 | nepugia | Question... is eudev installed per default on ascii? |
| 12:05.12 | gnarface | i'm not sure |
| 12:05.27 | nepugia | i seem to have udev and eudev installed, udev's description is "transitional package for eudev" |
| 12:05.47 | gnarface | i thought i heard about them planning on changing to eudev by default i just don't know if it happened yet |
| 12:06.01 | gnarface | also i don't know if upgraded installs are treated the same |
| 12:06.16 | nepugia | never done a not-upgraded install |
| 12:06.36 | nepugia | well, the controller works in this configuration |
| 12:06.45 | gnarface | no |
| 12:06.48 | gnarface | you don't know that |
| 12:07.14 | gnarface | i'm sure your undisclosed cursory test doesn't check for my edge case |
| 12:07.21 | nepugia | seeing as i have played many games with this config already, i have a pretty good guess :3 |
| 12:07.43 | gnarface | so you're using eudev on ascii |
| 12:07.52 | nepugia | well, what is your edge case? |
| 12:08.25 | nepugia | apparently i am, that is what dpkg -l tells me anyway, that it is installed... dont know too much about it so wouldnt be able to tell you if it is beeing in us |
| 12:08.50 | KatolaZ | gnarface: if you are on ascii, and you have recently apt-get upgrade-ed, you probably have eudev |
| 12:09.07 | KatolaZ | udev is a transitional dummy package in ASCII |
| 12:09.07 | gnarface | KatolaZ: i'm on ceres, and frequently upgraded, but did not get eudev yet |
| 12:09.14 | KatolaZ | yes gnarface |
| 12:09.22 | KatolaZ | it was not put in ceres, I guess |
| 12:09.37 | gnarface | nepugia: do you know what xinput is? |
| 12:10.09 | gnarface | nepugia: this xinput, not the other one: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ee417014(v=vs.85).aspx |
| 12:10.14 | nepugia | xinput? i sometimes use that tool if i want to use 2 mouse pointersx |
| 12:10.33 | nepugia | uhm, for ms windows no idea really |
| 12:11.05 | nepugia | i would suspect it has to do with direct3D |
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| 12:11.14 | gnarface | nepugia: no, not that xinput. the microsoft controller xinput protocol. it's not just for windows unfortunately. increasingly most of the gamepad support in steam games even on linux requires it. (rocket league and Transistor are good starting places for testing if you have either of those) |
| 12:12.20 | nepugia | huh, but supporting a xbox controller, whether emulated through steam controller or real doesnt seem that much related to a steam controller |
| 12:12.43 | gnarface | nepugia: test case, steam controller works in desktop and big picture mode, and all games that use the controller as keyboard&mouse (like portal1&2, l4d2, etc) but other games that look for "button a" instead of keyboard button A or joystick button #1-17 or whatever |
| 12:12.57 | gnarface | it just dies |
| 12:13.00 | gnarface | goes dead when the game starts |
| 12:13.05 | gnarface | no input read |
| 12:13.17 | gnarface | except the steam button will bring up the overlay again and you can close it |
| 12:14.09 | gnarface | sometimes mouse works in this case, sometimes not. with rocket league, the mouse works if you hold down the steam button (steam button chord mode works most the time regardless) |
| 12:15.01 | gnarface | nepugia: notably about Transistor, someone who realized this problem actually uploaded to the community profile listings two matching configs, and one is specifically labeled as being "without xinput" use, for linux |
| 12:15.40 | gnarface | nepugia: but it seems to be some sort of udev version compatibility issue; this used to work in jessie, and briefly in ceres before they upgraded udev |
| 12:16.12 | gnarface | nepugia: but it's tricky to diagnose, because obviously many games can fall back to the older protocols, or just use it as keyboard&mouse input |
| 12:17.02 | gnarface | nepugia: games that change the on-screen instructions from keyboard icons to gamepad button icons are useful for testing this too, so you can see whether it thinks there is an gamepad present or not |
| 12:17.25 | gnarface | nepugia: (salt and sanctuary i also noticed has this helpful quality, as well as battleblock theater) |
| 12:17.34 | gnarface | and uh... i think Bastion |
| 12:17.36 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 12:17.42 | gnarface | and Talos Principle |
| 12:17.49 | gnarface | ... but it's working right in Talos Principle |
| 12:18.48 | nepugia | interesting |
| 12:18.50 | gnarface | that's the other maddening bit here; some few games have done a better job than others at packaging their own libraries and such or failing over to older /dev/input/* devices, and seem to "just work" anyway, such as talos principle |
| 12:19.19 | nepugia | if i change the layout from my preconfigured one to the standard xbox compatibly one saints row 3 fails to recongnize anything i do with the controller |
| 12:20.20 | gnarface | another thing i noticed specifically about battleblock theater and rocket league for example is that generic usb gamepads still work right. so it's not a problem with ALL gamepads being recognized. rather just a problem with the steam controller not always being detected as also a gamepad in these few games with apparently flawed xinput support |
| 12:20.32 | gnarface | (or flawed udev support, i guess depending on who you're blaming) |
| 12:21.13 | gnarface | nepugia: the preconfigured one, does it use keyboard, mouse and joystick bindings then i presume? |
| 12:21.17 | nepugia | Well, doesnt seem to me like xbox gamepad support works for me with eudev... hey, i can avoid it more easily... and maybe team fortress 2 actually becomes playable |
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| 12:21.37 | nepugia | preconfigured by me most likely, yea uses mouse and keyboard |
| 12:22.02 | gnarface | nepugia: if you have any games i have maybe we can compare more behavior, but that sounds to me like eudev doesn't fix this |
| 12:22.11 | gnarface | :( thanks for testing |
| 12:22.15 | gnarface | it was worth the try |
| 12:23.11 | gnarface | some people in forums i'd read complaining about this going back 2-3 years even had mentioned that they noticed with certain games it was only affecting the 64-bit or 32-bit version |
| 12:23.22 | gnarface | further suggesting a library path issue |
| 12:23.30 | gnarface | (wouldn't be the first one either) |
| 12:24.19 | nepugia | hmpf, time to reinstall that machine anyway :3 |
| 12:24.32 | nepugia | i installed the 4front oss... which has crackling audio, and the deinstaller doesnt work :D |
| 12:24.49 | gnarface | another interesting test i found out |
| 12:24.50 | gnarface | just now |
| 12:25.52 | nepugia | >but that sounds to me like eudev doesn't fix this |
| 12:25.52 | nepugia | ah, did it work with udev in previoud versions? |
| 12:25.59 | gnarface | if i LD_PRELOAD from the startup options to force rocket league to load the system libxcb.so.1 instead, the controller doesn't go dead, but instead it just uses the desktop configuration (even if the game was launched from big picture mode) which just is a bunch of mouse and keyboard bindings again... avoiding the xinput test |
| 12:26.08 | nepugia | i am pretty sure that i played wine games with an xbox controller in devuan jessie |
| 12:26.32 | gnarface | yes, ironically i'm not having this problem with other gamepads |
| 12:27.08 | gnarface | the fact they don't also look like they might be a keyboard&mouse seems to save them |
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| 12:27.34 | gnarface | my nintendo controllers are better supported by steam than their own hardware |
| 12:27.45 | gnarface | (aside from not quite having enough buttons) |
| 12:27.47 | nepugia | Also note that the xbox emulation of steam controller itself is a bit broken, e.g the game lego worlds when i tested it had 2 player mode with conttrollers, it wasnt possible to use an xbox and steam controller because the steam controller somehow also controlled the first character |
| 12:28.20 | gnarface | hmmm, i've heard similar complaints about mixing dualshock4 controllers with steam controllers |
| 12:29.05 | gnarface | and yea, this did work once with previous versions, but it's been a couple years now |
| 12:29.50 | gnarface | i'm pretty sure it broke at some point during jessie's lifespan |
| 12:30.00 | gnarface | (debian jessie) |
| 12:30.34 | gnarface | oh |
| 12:31.02 | gnarface | "Lovers In A Dangerous Spacetime" < also for some reason working right. whatever bug the other games have this one isn't exhibiting it |
| 12:31.55 | gnarface | it's almost worse that a couple developers have managed to fix the issue or work around it and apparently aren't sharing the secret |
| 12:33.45 | gnarface | salt and sanctuary does something kinda weird actually |
| 12:33.54 | gnarface | it shows the gamepad tooltips but ignores them |
| 12:34.33 | gnarface | but if you use a controller profile that also has mouse input, it doesn't ignore the mouse; in fact it changes the tooltips to keyboard tooltips while the mouse is moving, then changes them back when you stop touching it |
| 12:34.49 | gnarface | so it can tell it's supposed to be seeing a gamepad somehow |
| 12:34.54 | gnarface | but that's all it can get |
| 12:35.10 | gnarface | like ages ago it was all working perfectly in borderlands2 for about 2 weeks i think |
| 12:35.43 | gnarface | it never worked again, but in frustration i just manually remapped the whole controller profile to keyboard and joystick bindings |
| 12:36.10 | gnarface | that's fine for some stuff, but you can't use the analog joystick control when you do that |
| 12:36.24 | gnarface | (which is really crippling in driving games and such) |
| 12:38.05 | gnarface | and none of these games seem to have trouble recognizing the nintendo controllers as gamepads instead, so it's not a lack of gamepad support |
| 12:38.54 | nepugia | say... maybe you can get steam to recongnize an xinput compatible game in wine as steam-unknown game and start that |
| 12:39.07 | nepugia | then you have wine's settings for the gamepad and can see what it sees |
| 12:39.34 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 12:39.53 | gnarface | can the steam controller be made to work with wine even? |
| 12:39.59 | gnarface | that's not something i've tried yet |
| 12:40.12 | gnarface | but i have managed to get a few games working with the wii classic pro gamepad |
| 12:40.14 | nepugia | dunno, but i know xbox controllers usuaully work |
| 12:40.36 | nepugia | so, if it looks like an xbox controller to wine that should be enough |
| 12:41.21 | gnarface | well, not a few. i got one working in wine. i got burnout paradise working with the wii classic pro gamepad, but it uses /dev/input/event* or /dev/input/js* (both at once in fact until you stop it) but no xinput |
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| 12:46.07 | gnarface | so using /dev/input/ stuff seems to preclude xinput |
| 12:46.13 | gnarface | as far as i can understand it at least |
| 12:46.26 | gnarface | xinput seems to be involved with /dev/uinput and /dev/hidraw* |
| 12:46.45 | gnarface | but using either of those does not necessarily seem to make xinput mandatory either |
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| 15:16.47 | buZz | -lol- |
| 15:16.59 | buZz | the #zipit people are looking into running 'full' devuan on it |
| 15:17.09 | buZz | (10 year old kids toy with armv5 and 32MB ram) |
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| 15:37.07 | buZz | lol, boom, they have a login prompt on device :P |
| 15:37.42 | KatolaZ | buZz: ? |
| 15:38.52 | buZz | ? |
| 15:39.13 | buZz | https://mozzwald.com/public/images/zipit/triforze.jpg <- they have devuan booting on |
| 15:39.17 | buZz | that |
| 15:41.36 | MinceR | nice |
| 15:41.57 | MinceR | is this device available for sale? |
| 15:42.42 | nemo | buZz: you know, one thing I've been hunting for on and off, is anything arm-based that I could setup as a kind of open chromebook alternative |
| 15:42.58 | nemo | buZz: one annoyance has been that they all seem to use that stupid mali gpu thing that is buggy and closed source |
| 15:43.01 | buZz | MinceR: sometimes, its very ancient |
| 15:43.09 | MinceR | ic |
| 15:43.18 | buZz | i imported 16 of them from US and forced them upon all my friends to get more devs |
| 15:43.21 | buZz | :P |
| 15:43.23 | MinceR | :) |
| 15:43.29 | MinceR | strange, i thought Mali had open drivers |
| 15:43.33 | buZz | MinceR: you find em on ebay every now and then for between 25 and 50 usd |
| 15:43.36 | nemo | MinceR: oh? |
| 15:43.42 | nemo | MinceR: the one on my SO's chromebook doesn't â¹ |
| 15:43.48 | buZz | mali doesnt have open drivers |
| 15:43.57 | nemo | that and the need to overwrite the BIOS were the 2 main impediments to using it |
| 15:44.02 | buZz | the 'lima' driver is mostly just a PoC |
| 15:44.11 | nemo | google's "developer" mode is so passive-aggressively hostile |
| 15:44.13 | MinceR | ic |
| 15:44.35 | MinceR | nemo: how so? |
| 15:44.41 | buZz | nemo: i've preordered a pyra btw, for the 'open chromebook alternative' idea |
| 15:44.52 | nemo | MinceR: you enable dev mode, and every time you boot up, it prompts you to wipe the device and reset by hitting spacebar |
| 15:44.57 | buZz | PowerVR though, not much better than Mali :P |
| 15:44.59 | MinceR | ic |
| 15:45.01 | KatolaZ | buZz: do you have a more informative link, plese? :) |
| 15:45.04 | nemo | MinceR: she did that accidentally once or twice, and I gave up on dual booting chromebooks |
| 15:45.04 | KatolaZ | ~please |
| 15:45.13 | buZz | KatolaZ: https://mozzwald.com/zipitz2 |
| 15:45.19 | KatolaZ | thanks :) |
| 15:45.22 | nemo | MinceR: plus performance was sucky due to the mali thing and difficulty of getting it to play nice w/ kernels |
| 15:46.23 | nemo | buZz: hadn't heard of the pyra - does it have a decent linux driver? |
| 15:46.40 | MinceR | it's been in "preorder" for years :( |
| 15:46.44 | nemo | ah ð |
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| 15:47.13 | buZz | MinceR: nope |
| 15:47.24 | nemo | MinceR: you know, I preordered the Pandora which had same problem. I asked them to refund me after they put us behind new orders in the delivery queue and wanted us to pay more $$ to change that |
| 15:47.28 | buZz | MinceR: just a year now, and nearly completed |
| 15:47.30 | nemo | after I'd given them an interest free loan for years |
| 15:47.34 | buZz | i have a pandora on my desk aswell |
| 15:47.44 | MinceR | they don't sell pandoras anymore, afaict :( |
| 15:47.51 | buZz | no? they did just a month ago |
| 15:47.58 | nemo | these days I just use a linux chroot on my note 4 - all I wanted was portable linux computing really |
| 15:48.10 | nemo | note 4 + chroot + stylus (works as a mouse!) + a folding BT kbd |
| 15:48.46 | buZz | hmm yeah, they seem out of old-stock pandoras |
| 15:49.17 | nemo | hm... https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pandora/ I don't see a purchase link |
| 15:49.19 | buZz | nemo: hmhm, i dont trust mobile phones though, or anything with a 24/7 on radio |
| 15:49.22 | nemo | there's a shop email address |
| 15:49.42 | nemo | buZz: yeah, there's no security on these things, 'tis true â¹ |
| 15:49.49 | buZz | the guy running that shop is very helpful |
| 15:50.01 | nemo | buZz: even worse waiting on !@#$ manufacturers for patches. still have no patch for krakattacks |
| 15:50.19 | buZz | yep, and probably never will |
| 15:50.26 | buZz | for 99% of vulnerable devices |
| 15:50.45 | nemo | well. they eventually pushed out the BT vulnerability patch... in late october |
| 15:51.17 | nemo | at least KRAK is easier to deal with in a way. just assuming one is on open wifi, all the time. |
| 15:51.28 | buZz | did they even release kernelsources? |
| 15:51.41 | nemo | buZz: for... note4? |
| 15:51.45 | buZz | yeah? |
| 15:51.46 | nemo | yep |
| 15:52.02 | buZz | oh nice, so just go run devuan native then :) |
| 15:52.06 | nemo | haha |
| 15:52.11 | nemo | I'm too chicken to dualboot my phone |
| 15:52.17 | nemo | also doesn't solve the radio problem anyway |
| 15:52.18 | buZz | dual? pff |
| 15:52.19 | buZz | :P |
| 15:52.20 | nemo | chroot is enough for me |
| 15:52.22 | nemo | lolz |
| 15:52.30 | buZz | pffffffffffff |
| 15:52.32 | buZz | :) |
| 15:52.41 | nemo | buZz: maybe if I get a new phone. but want this note4 to last as long as possible. It was basically the pinnacle of the samsung line |
| 15:52.47 | buZz | :) |
| 15:52.51 | buZz | postmarketOS is nice |
| 15:52.58 | buZz | https://www.postmarketos.org/ |
| 15:53.22 | buZz | still gotta try that on one of my old n900s |
| 15:54.30 | nemo | https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707 is this mali too? |
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| 15:57.17 | kok | does anyone know how i can set a costume keymap |
| 15:57.20 | kok | ? |
| 15:57.56 | KatolaZ | kok? |
| 15:58.04 | KatolaZ | what do you mean? |
| 15:58.09 | nemo | kok: xmodmap ? |
| 15:58.15 | nemo | or you mean switch between predefined layouts |
| 15:58.33 | KatolaZ | nemo: and what if it is not unde X? |
| 15:58.35 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 15:58.45 | kok | i'm not under x |
| 15:58.58 | nemo | waddya know |
| 16:00.03 | kok | so how can i do it? |
| 16:00.15 | kok | i'm in console and i have a keymap file |
| 16:00.17 | KatolaZ | kok: what? |
| 16:00.33 | kok | KatolaZ: ? |
| 16:00.35 | nemo | buZz: http://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/Pinebook_Main_Page#GPU_Architecture â¹ |
| 16:00.36 | KatolaZ | I see |
| 16:00.57 | KatolaZ | kok: had not seen your last msg, sorry |
| 16:01.08 | kok | ok |
| 16:01.19 | buZz | nemo: at least that CPU has more than 1 GPU |
| 16:01.29 | buZz | the mali one is just for 3D |
| 16:01.59 | buZz | and the 2D one -does- have a foss driver |
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| 16:02.16 | buZz | /CPU/SoC/ |
| 16:02.23 | KatolaZ | kok: you mean a keyboard layout, right? |
| 16:02.46 | kok | Kobaz: yes |
| 16:03.12 | nemo | buZz: https://free-electrons.com/blog/mali-opengl-support-on-allwinner-platforms-with-mainline-linux/ this... looks painful |
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| 16:03.44 | nemo | buZz: hm... interesting. where did you see that? |
| 16:03.53 | buZz | i own a pile of allwinner boards |
| 16:04.13 | buZz | and have been in #linux-sunxi since allwinner A10 boards started getting released :) |
| 16:04.23 | nemo | ahhh |
| 16:04.26 | KatolaZ | kok: are you running devuan? |
| 16:04.31 | nemo | huzzah! I found a masochist. |
| 16:04.35 | buZz | :) |
| 16:04.38 | nemo | buZz: what's devuan's support for armbian? |
| 16:04.48 | buZz | armbian is annoying as fuck |
| 16:04.51 | buZz | burn it with fire |
| 16:05.03 | specing | ARM is a software clusterfuck in general |
| 16:05.08 | nemo | buZz: ok. devuan's support for arm. sorry. Thought armbian was basically debian with arm-specific fixes |
| 16:05.08 | buZz | nah |
| 16:05.12 | specing | can't do a good distro for such an environment |
| 16:05.17 | nemo | buZz: that is, a thin overlay |
| 16:05.23 | buZz | nemo: its mostly ubuntu with patches to make it slower |
| 16:05.27 | nemo | ah |
| 16:05.44 | buZz | devuan runs on ARM natively, zero wrappers or patches needed |
| 16:06.02 | buZz | allwinner A10/A20/A64 have mainline linux support for like 90% of its stuff |
| 16:06.14 | buZz | H3 aswell |
| 16:06.15 | KatolaZ | nemo: devuan runs natively on some 35+ arm boards... |
| 16:06.16 | buZz | and bunch of others |
| 16:06.23 | nemo | KatolaZ: oh sweet. |
| 16:06.31 | buZz | KatolaZ: and probably many more :) |
| 16:06.36 | buZz | that we arent even aware of |
| 16:06.46 | nemo | buZz: KatolaZ: do you folks know anything about this pinebook situation by any chance? I'm about to buy one like literally now. |
| 16:07.02 | nemo | seems like I can finally finally de-googlify the last computer in the house |
| 16:07.03 | buZz | not specifically |
| 16:07.06 | nemo | (can't do much about the phones) |
| 16:07.13 | buZz | i was looking at olimex's pine64-alike laptop |
| 16:07.19 | buZz | https://olimex.wordpress.com/2017/10/12/teres-i-do-it-yourself-open-source-laptop-update/ |
| 16:07.39 | kok | KatolaZ: yes |
| 16:07.42 | nemo | buZz: hm. specs seem pretty similar |
| 16:07.51 | buZz | nemo: yeah but is OSHW |
| 16:07.57 | buZz | unlike pinebook |
| 16:08.07 | nemo | buZz: oh? what does it use for the GPU? |
| 16:08.15 | buZz | its the same SoC |
| 16:08.20 | nemo | okaaaay |
| 16:08.25 | buZz | the gpus are inside that |
| 16:08.29 | nemo | so not really OSHW |
| 16:08.32 | nemo | just... more so |
| 16:08.47 | buZz | well yeah , OSHW doesnt include the contents of chips :P |
| 16:08.57 | buZz | or we'd be a couple lightyears into history ^_^ |
| 16:09.08 | nemo | heh |
| 16:09.09 | KatolaZ | kok: are you talking of a "compose" file? |
| 16:09.14 | buZz | at least you -can- buy a lose A64 chip just from aliexpress |
| 16:09.23 | buZz | unlike many other arm socs |
| 16:09.46 | nemo | buZz: hm.. doesn't look like this TERES-I is available for sale yet |
| 16:09.56 | buZz | no? it was a month ago :P |
| 16:10.20 | kok | KatolaZ: i think so |
| 16:10.24 | nemo | oh. the order link was in the comments ð |
| 16:10.32 | nemo | buZz: ow. that's really expensive |
| 16:10.36 | buZz | https://www.olimex.com/Products/DIY-Laptop/KITS/TERES-A64-BLACK/open-source-hardware |
| 16:10.41 | buZz | 240 euro is expensive? |
| 16:10.47 | nemo | buZz: compared to the pinebook, yes |
| 16:10.50 | buZz | i guess you didnt buy bitcoin in 2016 :P |
| 16:11.08 | buZz | either way, i'd gladly pay premium to keep OSHW companies relevant :) |
| 16:11.20 | nemo | congrats to you. no. I was an idiot. giant idiot since I had folks talking to me about it from almost day 0, when I could have just fired up client on my desktop |
| 16:12.04 | nemo | haven't seen that dude in ages, guess he's either rolling in the bitcoins on his private island, or was rubberhosed for 'em or something. |
| 16:13.20 | buZz | :) |
| 16:13.36 | buZz | it was nice to retire before i turned 38 |
| 16:13.53 | KatolaZ | kok: loadkeys |
| 16:14.01 | buZz | but either way, you should ask in #linux-sunxi , they really have all knowledge about linux support for any allwinner chip |
| 16:14.23 | nemo | buZz: I did get a tiny amount as a donation from an appreciative hedgewars user. But I used most of it to support an author in spain, and a couple of other minor things |
| 16:14.28 | nemo | buZz: would not have been worth much anyway |
| 16:14.48 | buZz | hehe well you could get suprised |
| 16:14.49 | kok | KatolaZ: there is no loadkeys |
| 16:15.16 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 16:15.36 | nemo | buZz: https://www.pine64.org/?product=pinebook anyway, $99 and you think this could probably run devuan ok w/ gpu accel? |
| 16:15.38 | KatolaZ | you have no executable called "loadkeys"? |
| 16:15.42 | KatolaZ | kok: ^^^ |
| 16:15.44 | kok | no |
| 16:15.45 | buZz | nemo: 2D accel, yeah |
| 16:15.54 | kok | find / -name loadkeys |
| 16:15.55 | buZz | nemo: possibly even hw video decoding and encoding |
| 16:15.58 | kok | nothing |
| 16:16.06 | buZz | VDPAU even |
| 16:16.33 | KatolaZ | kok: whereis loadkeys |
| 16:16.47 | KatolaZ | kok: anyway, loadkeys is in the package "kbd" |
| 16:16.57 | buZz | nemo: i guess you close to 99% odds that you can grab a rootfs from a devuan mirror and get it booting within an hour |
| 16:17.03 | buZz | s/guess/give/ |
| 16:17.15 | KatolaZ | kok: apt-get install kbd |
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| 16:17.53 | kok | Kobaz: ok |
| 16:17.58 | kok | that should work yeah |
| 16:18.32 | KatolaZ | kok: great |
| 16:18.38 | bluemarlin | KatolaZ: partially offtopic: for some reason i have /usr/bin/loadkeys symlink to /bin/loadkeys not owned by any pkg, guess that is safe to delete? |
| 16:18.47 | kok | Kobaz: thanks |
| 16:18.50 | KatolaZ | no bluemarlin |
| 16:18.55 | KatolaZ | it's not safe :D |
| 16:19.04 | KatolaZ | the symlink is created on package installation |
| 16:19.18 | KatolaZ | and there might be "somebody" who wants to use the /usr/bin/ version |
| 16:19.24 | bluemarlin | ah, so it's created by the install scripts, thats why is it unowned... |
| 16:19.30 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 16:19.37 | KatolaZ | apt-file searc /bin/loadkeys ;) |
| 16:19.41 | bluemarlin | ok i will let it stay :D |
| 16:19.42 | KatolaZ | kok: it's KatolaZ :) |
| 16:19.54 | bluemarlin | i always did dpkg -S $(command -v executable) |
| 16:19.56 | kok | KatolaZ: i know.. sorry |
| 16:20.10 | KatolaZ | kok: but you have a broken keyboard atm, so no worries :D |
| 16:20.17 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 16:20.28 | kok | :P |
| 16:23.28 | nemo | buZz: basically so long as firefox works w/ GPU acceleration of youtube vids, I doubt she'll be annoyed with me for prying her chromebook from her hands |
| 16:23.46 | buZz | yeah HTML5 should work well |
| 16:23.51 | buZz | but cant say i have tried |
| 16:24.07 | buZz | i think that cpu is fast enough to do it all in software anyway |
| 16:24.16 | buZz | but let me know :) |
| 16:24.24 | nemo | buZz: her ancient chromebook seems to work decently |
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| 16:24.37 | nemo | it's mostly the ability to decode and render video fast that's probably important |
| 16:24.55 | nemo | buZz: and, firefox "quantum" can probably leverage the quadcore better than chrome |
| 16:25.16 | buZz | dno, chromium has no issues using all my cores as-is |
| 16:25.21 | nemo | oh? |
| 16:25.44 | buZz | welp, 1 thread per tab |
| 16:25.47 | buZz | + 1 thread for gpu |
| 16:25.51 | buZz | +1 thread for browser itself |
| 16:26.00 | buZz | + 1 thread per extension |
| 16:26.19 | nemo | buZz: well, what usually matters is rendering of that one active tab |
| 16:26.23 | nemo | and that's still in just a single thread |
| 16:26.35 | KatolaZ | bluemarlin: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/kbd.postinst |
| 16:26.47 | nemo | buZz: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/10/the-whole-web-at-maximum-fps-how-webrender-gets-rid-of-jank/ etc etc |
| 16:28.58 | buZz | i guess, i've been using desktop xeons, so more cpu-heavy is usually in my benefit |
| 16:40.06 | bluemarlin | KatolaZ: thanks ... will check against it before ever touching any system links :) |
| 16:41.40 | KatolaZ | bluemarlin: it should not be a problem to remove symlinks, in general, unless any of the init scripts requires them to be in a particular position |
| 16:41.49 | KatolaZ | (which I am not sure about) |
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| 17:58.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 17:59.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | what the |
| 17:59.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | ah |
| 17:59.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | !ping |
| 17:59.55 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:06.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | everything fine still since cmode +g change? |
| 18:07.10 | MinceR | i took it off since it would allow people to invite banned spambots in |
| 18:07.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
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| 18:07.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks |
| 18:07.44 | MinceR | (plus it would make it more difficult to mitigate botnet attacks via +i) |
| 18:08.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, eventually I could set up a autorespoonder that does /invite sigyn on a trigger word |
| 18:08.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | not now though, I'm remote from station |
| 18:12.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | shouldn't do IRC admin via N900 ;) |
| 18:13.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | MinceR: thanks for taking care |
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| 18:14.13 | MinceR | np |
| 18:34.44 | msiism | golinux: will there a purpy dark gtk2 theme in devuan ascii? |
| 18:35.13 | msiism | (insert "be" after "there") |
| 18:35.32 | fsmithred | http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/cpdp/ |
| 18:35.34 | golinux | Just uploaded: http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/cpdp/ |
| 18:35.38 | fsmithred | if you want to try it |
| 18:35.44 | golinux | Ha! Beat me to it!! |
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| 18:38.31 | msiism | ok, nice. |
| 18:40.06 | msiism | i'll try it out tomorrow. i was just asking because that would be interesting if you were using lxde. |
| 18:40.51 | golinux | There is quite a bit of gtk3 in there too. You will need the gtk3 engines. |
| 18:41.59 | msiism | golinux: oh, i didn't know that. why couldn't they just keep it gtk2? |
| 18:42.27 | golinux | Because gnome says so |
| 18:42.47 | golinux | A lot of apps require gtk3 |
| 18:43.11 | golinux | Even xfce has jumped the shark |
| 18:43.30 | msiism | golinux: i see. the newer version of firefox now coming with jessie, for example. |
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| 18:43.56 | golinux | gtk2 is now "legacy" |
| 18:44.29 | golinux | That's something else with FF |
| 18:44.54 | golinux | gtk is for system stuff. |
| 18:45.40 | golinux | Mozilla has their own version of craziness/stupidity |
| 18:46.25 | golinux | But the mindset is similar |
| 18:46.40 | golinux | I need food. bbl |
| 18:46.47 | msiism | golinux: ok, well it's terribly slow. i've been putting TDE to the test on an 800MB ram pentium 4 laptop and even konqueror there was considerably faster than ff. |
| 18:47.33 | golinux | Can't blame that on gtk3 though |
| 18:49.20 | msiism | ok |
| 18:53.54 | fsmithred | msiism, the theme probably won't work right in lxde until the openbox part is done |
| 18:59.20 | msiism | fsmithred: right, but that is being worked on, isn't it? |
| 18:59.47 | fsmithred | yes |
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| 19:43.05 | golinux | msiism: There is an openbox theme in Clearlooks-Phenix. |
| 19:43.46 | msiism | golinux: but it's not purpy dark, is it? |
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| 19:44.07 | golinux | Will get to it soon. I n the meantime you could use that component from jessie purpy. The code is identical except for the colors. |
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| 19:45.07 | msiism | golinux: ok. well, i'm not a hurry. so i'll just wait. |
| 19:45.17 | golinux | Just replace the one that's in there and when I get it done you can switch it out. |
| 19:45.24 | msiism | right |
| 19:46.08 | golinux | That theme is a bit of a pain because all the gradients have specific hexes |
| 19:46.45 | golinux | I'm thinking I can take them from the xpm colors. |
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| 19:46.52 | msiism | golinux: that sounds fun. |
| 19:47.08 | golinux | Purpy was a real headache. |
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| 19:47.35 | golinux | You can be my tester. I'll ping you when it's done. |
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| 19:48.48 | msiism | golinux: ok. |
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| 21:30.44 | kelsoo1 | did I hear openbox themes :-) enjoy https://www.box-look.org/p/1191774/ |
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| 21:37.16 | msiism | kelsoo1: quite nice. i'd change the wallpaper, though. |
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| 22:20.18 | maurizio | hello, I am trying to install luakit. It's not in the repos? |
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| 22:25.48 | debdog | should⢠be in ascii, maurizio https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=luakit though seems to be missing from jessie |
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| 22:26.53 | debdog | mayhap it is in backports |
| 22:27.02 | vivus | after using the netinstaller, what options should I use to upgrade from Jessie to ascii? I cannot find any guides for it |
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| 22:31.32 | maurizio | ok. I will try another light browser, or dist-upgrade? |
| 22:33.00 | n4dir | luakit for the ubzl browser? |
| 22:33.24 | kelsoo1 | msiism: lol. It was a Dragora in joke but it's had 116 downloads |
| 22:34.33 | vivus | is this the correct instructions for upgrading to ascii: ```you should be able to install ascii using the standard jessie installer, expert install, selecting "ascii" as a release``` ? |
| 22:36.47 | golinux | vivus: Just changes your sources list |
| 22:37.04 | vivus | golinux: which is the better/easier way? |
| 22:37.16 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20171227.101319.f85e7c4b.en.html |
| 22:37.31 | golinux | Change your sources.list |
| 22:37.47 | golinux | Instructions in that link. |
| 22:38.04 | golinux | There are no ascii installers yet. |
| 22:38.50 | vivus | I found the above instructions in a message from the logs for devuan, specifying that ascii can be installed using "expert install" with the jessie netinstaller |
| 22:40.11 | golinux | Hmmm . . . don't know about that. I install from the live iso.' |
| 22:41.24 | golinux | When that installer was created the current pkgmaster reopsitory didn't exist |
| 22:41.52 | golinux | So you won't even get the proper setup for ascii sources.list |
| 22:43.35 | vivus | golinux: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017-10-23/?page=1 |
| 22:44.33 | msiism | kelsoo1: has this theme been tested? and is there any reason you don't have a minimize button in the title bars? |
| 22:45.00 | kelsoo1 | Yes. I don't iconify |
| 22:45.24 | fsmithred | vivus, one of the beta installer isos gave you a choice of releases to install, but that's not in the final isos |
| 22:45.25 | kelsoo1 | I run 95% of windows maximized |
| 22:45.50 | msiism | i see. |
| 22:46.22 | golinux | vivus: pkgmaster was created after that post. |
| 22:46.35 | vivus | fsmithred: so what applies in that log no longer applies in the final netinstaller? |
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| 23:12.52 | maurizio | I can't find rofi!?! |
| 23:14.34 | fsmithred | vivus, I don't know what happened to that option, and I have no idea if it will return in the ascii installer isos. |
| 23:14.53 | fsmithred | sed -i 's/jessie/ascii/g' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:15.11 | fsmithred | sed -i 's/auto.mirror/pkgmaster/g' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:15.15 | fsmithred | apt-get update |
| 23:15.21 | fsmithred | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:15.23 | fsmithred | reboot |
| 23:15.46 | fsmithred | oops |
| 23:15.56 | fsmithred | first thing to do before changes sources.list: |
| 23:16.02 | fsmithred | apt-get update |
| 23:16.07 | fsmithred | apt-get install devuan-keyring |
| 23:18.35 | vivus | fsmithred: perhaps its a good idea to add this to the wiki until ascii ISOs are made available (instead of repeating the instructions)? |
| 23:19.04 | fsmithred | probably is. |
| 23:19.18 | fsmithred | I don't think I have edit powers on the wiki. |
| 23:19.33 | vivus | neither exists though: http://wiki.devuan.org/ | https://devuan.org/wiki |
| 23:19.42 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 23:20.06 | vivus | there is no wiki |
| 23:20.09 | vivus | (so it seems) |
| 23:20.14 | fsmithred | friendsofdevuan.org |
| 23:20.58 | fsmithred | what instructions were you looking at? |
| 23:21.27 | fsmithred | nm, I got the link |
| 23:21.43 | vivus | https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/upgrade-to-ascii |
| 23:21.53 | vivus | interesting. |
| 23:22.13 | fsmithred | ah, ok, I looked at the one golinux provided |
| 23:22.19 | fsmithred | which was posted today |
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| 23:23.03 | vivus | what git software is git.devuan using? |
| 23:23.25 | vivus | also, it doesn't mention adding the devuan-keyring fsmithred . I assume we should though? |
| 23:24.17 | fsmithred | if you've upgraded your jessie in the last month or two, you don't need to |
| 23:24.21 | vivus | oh its gitlab |
| 23:24.22 | fsmithred | but it can't hurt to do it |
| 23:24.34 | fsmithred | yeah, gitlab |
| 23:24.47 | fsmithred | that may change in the future, but it's not a priority |
| 23:24.48 | vivus | I DLed the Jessie ISO from May 2017, which is the only one I found available |
| 23:25.05 | fsmithred | ok, definitely upgrade/install devuan-keyring at least |
| 23:25.20 | fsmithred | probably should do a full jessie upgrade before jumping to ascii |
| 23:25.35 | fsmithred | I hope you didn't install the whole desktop |
| 23:26.04 | fsmithred | not that there's anything wrong with that, but it makes the upgrade take longer |
| 23:26.20 | vivus | nope, I need to make sure I have all the instructions noted down, as I will be installing devuan ascii onto a new HDD, so I need to remove my old 1 from my machine and then perform the install, which is why I am taking precautions |
| 23:27.07 | fsmithred | ok |
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| 23:27.53 | fsmithred | I recommend that you un-check the desktop items at the tasksel window, just install a base system, upgade, then add the desktop. Saves some time. |
| 23:28.36 | fsmithred | some people recommend unchecking everything at that window, but I like to get the standard system utilities |
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| 23:31.00 | fsmithred | vivus, how old is the computer? bios or uefi? |
| 23:31.40 | vivus | It's BIOS. Around 4/5 years old |
| 23:32.01 | fsmithred | ok, good |
| 23:32.15 | fsmithred | more predictable |
| 23:32.17 | vivus | I understand UEFI has issues, based on somebody elses struggles yesterday |
| 23:32.52 | fsmithred | uefi would be a lot easier to deal with if manufacturers didn't come up with their own creative implementations of it |
| 23:33.42 | fsmithred | how soon are you going to do this install? |
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| 23:34.06 | vivus | in a few days if I am comfortable with the process |
| 23:34.59 | vivus | The issue I have is with data-transfer and getting all my old settings to the new box, which is always the issue |
| 23:35.16 | vivus | browser, IRC, etc. etc. |
| 23:35.25 | fsmithred | you know rsync? |
| 23:36.38 | Xenguy | o/~ What a friend we have in rsync ... o/~ |
| 23:36.44 | fsmithred | lol |
| 23:36.47 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 23:37.20 | fsmithred | I don't recommend trying to learn it right when you're about to transfer all your files. Play with it a bit first. |
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| 23:42.02 | xar- | vivus: get a private github repo, put all your configs there, or roll your own hosted git solution on a cheap VPS |
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| 23:57.00 | vivus | xar-: I think I can get free private repos on gitlab :P |
