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| 00:01.47 | zina | fsmithred, are you there? |
| 00:02.10 | fsmithred | yes, I'm here |
| 00:02.19 | zina | merry christmaas |
| 00:02.25 | zina | :) |
| 00:02.28 | fsmithred | thanks, merry christmas |
| 00:02.42 | zina | I found whyits not connecting |
| 00:02.51 | fsmithred | what was it? |
| 00:02.55 | zina | there's no dhcp server |
| 00:03.02 | fsmithred | doh! |
| 00:03.17 | zina | isc-dhcp-server is not installed |
| 00:03.26 | fsmithred | on your router? |
| 00:03.42 | zina | no, on the pc |
| 00:03.51 | fsmithred | you don't need a dhcp server on the pc |
| 00:03.57 | fsmithred | just dhclient |
| 00:04.34 | zina | ok. how to see if Ihave it? |
| 00:04.35 | fsmithred | you need a dhcp server on the router, or else use static IP address |
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| 00:05.17 | n4dir | you learn a new thing every day. I didn't know the router has a dhcp server (i guess i assumed he does it by magic ... lol) |
| 00:05.26 | fsmithred | lol |
| 00:06.15 | fsmithred | zina, run: whereis dhclient |
| 00:06.36 | zina | yes, I have it |
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| 00:08.25 | fsmithred | what kind of router do you have? |
| 00:08.34 | fsmithred | does it not give out addresses? |
| 00:09.06 | rodney_ | he may not have set it up yet |
| 00:09.10 | zina | DONE!!! |
| 00:09.18 | rodney_ | or did |
| 00:09.18 | fsmithred | what did you do? |
| 00:09.49 | zina | I had iface wlan0 inet loopback <--not working |
| 00:10.13 | zina | I changed to iface wlan0 inet dhcp <-- working |
| 00:10.16 | fsmithred | cool |
| 00:10.28 | n4dir | reminds me of new years eve ca 10 years ago, my first pc, and i set up the router. end of story time ... |
| 00:11.22 | zina | :) |
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| 00:11.55 | n4dir | thanks god you don't run into problems to find people in IRC / forums even on such days :-) |
| 00:15.18 | zina | Now I am trying to istall xorg and it asks for a cd?? |
| 00:15.39 | fsmithred | you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:16.06 | fsmithred | comment out the cdrom line and uncomment the devuan lines |
| 00:16.25 | zina | done, OK. |
| 00:16.25 | fsmithred | you might need to add one for jessie main |
| 00:16.50 | fsmithred | are there three lines? jessie jessie-security and jessie-updates |
| 00:17.07 | fsmithred | then 'apt-get update' |
| 00:18.29 | zina | jessie main, jessie-security main non-free, jessie-updates main non-free |
| 00:19.01 | n4dir | i think that if you got non-free you usually also want contrib (or at least it won't hurt) |
| 00:19.03 | fsmithred | if you need non-free, add that to the jessie line, too |
| 00:19.13 | fsmithred | you can add contrib if you want |
| 00:21.04 | zina | done. |
| 00:25.25 | zina | now I am searching for .xinirc |
| 00:25.31 | zina | now I am searching for .xinitrc |
| 00:26.20 | n4dir | on lots of distributions it doesn't exist per default. You can simply create it. |
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| 00:26.57 | n4dir | you wanna start the window-manager via startx, i assume? if yes, which one? |
| 00:27.04 | HelleDaryd | o/~ is it possible to use the Devuan USB live image (desktop) with persistence ? and if so, how does this work |
| 00:27.06 | zina | yes, i3 |
| 00:27.22 | n4dir | most contain start or session in their name, so ls /usr/bin/*session* or same/*start* should show you. |
| 00:27.31 | n4dir | Oh, i3, i don't know about that one. |
| 00:28.01 | HelleDaryd | (it's not the same as on the Debian live images it seems) |
| 00:28.25 | n4dir | got it sorted, zina ? |
| 00:29.35 | n4dir | glancing over ls /usr/bin/*i3* ; i would give "exec i3" in ~/.xinitrc a try. |
| 00:30.44 | zina | found xinitrc in /etc/X11/xinit |
| 00:30.51 | fsmithred | HelleDaryd, yes, you can set it up with persistence, but not if you image the usb using dd |
| 00:31.54 | HelleDaryd | fsmithred: yes, I know that, I am just trying to figure out what the special parameters are to make it actually use a persistence partition |
| 00:33.06 | n4dir | zina: ah, i didn't know that. good to know, i sure won't forget. |
| 00:33.24 | fsmithred | boot=live persistence persistence-label=<disk label of the persistent partition> |
| 00:33.24 | HelleDaryd | has done her fair share of weird tricks with live booting |
| 00:33.31 | fsmithred | couple more, hang on |
| 00:33.37 | zina | ..and STARTED! thanks alot guys for your help |
| 00:33.45 | fsmithred | how did you put the iso on the usb? |
| 00:33.51 | HelleDaryd | ah, thanks, because I wasn't feeling like digging around the initrd image |
| 00:33.52 | fsmithred | whole iso or unpacked? |
| 00:33.56 | HelleDaryd | fsmithred: unpacked |
| 00:34.02 | fsmithred | ok |
| 00:35.29 | HelleDaryd | the persistence-label= is the only diff with the Debian one |
| 00:35.59 | fsmithred | if your persistent volume is labeled 'persistence' you don't need that |
| 00:36.29 | HelleDaryd | aaha, not live-rw (that is the one for Debian) |
| 00:36.48 | fsmithred | persistence-media=removable-usb |
| 00:37.09 | HelleDaryd | fsmithred: what does that add/change (also where does the script live that manages it |
| 00:37.30 | fsmithred | scripts are in /lib/live/boot and /lib/live/config |
| 00:37.51 | fsmithred | haven't seen live-rw since squeeze or maybe lenny |
| 00:38.31 | fsmithred | you do not need to add 'live-config' or 'live-components' to the boot line |
| 00:38.39 | fsmithred | because there's already a pre-configured user |
| 00:39.00 | fsmithred | and if you'd like a utility that does all this for you: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/refracta2usb-2.3.6.deb |
| 00:39.59 | fsmithred | oh yeah, you need to install yad for that to work |
| 00:40.07 | HelleDaryd | fsmithred: I am making a multi use USB stick, so I'm fine with doing it by hand, got some weird secondary tricks there |
| 00:40.46 | fsmithred | refracta2usb assumes it's multiboot. |
| 00:41.03 | fsmithred | also can use it to make persistent loopback files instead of partitions |
| 00:41.16 | fsmithred | what tricks you got? |
| 00:42.06 | HelleDaryd | fsmithred: EFI chainloading, bunch of utilities, etc |
| 00:42.26 | HelleDaryd | but basically, the persistence is a tiny edit to the grub config, I think I'll do it by hand for now |
| 00:43.41 | HelleDaryd | It uses chainloading (grub style for most, EFI for a few things), so I can update each item on it without affecting the others |
| 00:46.52 | fsmithred | well, the live isos use live-config and live-boot, so all their options work |
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| 00:51.32 | AlexLikeRock | happy holly days |
| 00:52.14 | AlexLikeRock | i wish yous guys have a nice cristhmas with our family. |
| 00:52.33 | AlexLikeRock | because thats only matter, the family. |
| 00:52.54 | AlexLikeRock | as us ; "devuan family". |
| 00:53.30 | AlexLikeRock | happy christmas, happy fest ;-) |
| 00:54.36 | HelleDaryd | oh, funny one, is there a nice way to "reset" a persistence partition (else I guess I can hackup my own little initrd script that just invokes a reformatting on it I guess) |
| 00:55.56 | fsmithred | what do you mean 'reset'? |
| 00:57.11 | HelleDaryd | fsmithred: empty it |
| 00:57.23 | fsmithred | while running the usb? |
| 00:58.09 | HelleDaryd | fsmithred: from boot I guess, you can't really do it on the fly nicely, I mean the alternative is to boot without persistence, format/rm the persistence bits and then reboot |
| 00:58.16 | HelleDaryd | I wondered if I could automate that |
| 00:58.35 | HelleDaryd | (I typically use the USB stick with persistence for a bit, but when it gets used with a new machine, I tend to want to clean it) |
| 00:59.03 | fsmithred | you could drop to init 1, unmount and then format or erase it |
| 00:59.20 | HelleDaryd | yeah, that is basically the same thing |
| 00:59.23 | fsmithred | yup |
| 00:59.28 | HelleDaryd | I may just add a little script for it I guess |
| 00:59.36 | fsmithred | hookscripts work |
| 00:59.36 | HelleDaryd | but thanks |
| 01:04.47 | HelleDaryd | Right, I doubt I'll be back in chat tonight, but who knows :) thanks anyway |
| 01:04.59 | HelleDaryd | wanders off to break all the boot processes |
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| 01:19.28 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 08:43.39 | edbarx | Need to know which sources.list settings I need to upgrade an old Jessie Devuan installation to ASCII. |
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| 08:51.37 | aitor | hi edbarx, as KatolaZ announced in the mailing list, we should use: pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan |
| 08:52.55 | edbarx | But where are the actual urls that should be used? The installation's urls are for Jessie. |
| 08:53.06 | nepugia | change them to ascii |
| 08:53.19 | aitor | see the thread "Amprolla3 is out for testing" |
| 08:53.33 | nepugia | @aitor, the mailing list? i really doubt that all devuan users subsrcibe to the mailing list... |
| 08:53.37 | edbarx | Ok. I will read that. Thanks. |
| 08:53.49 | nepugia | the messages apt give on package upgrade would be a nice place to inform users |
| 09:04.07 | edbarx | Is security still from security.debian.org? |
| 09:07.30 | aitor | i'm using /merged jessie-security main in the blend of the live-sdk |
| 09:09.11 | aitor | nepugia: edbarx is subscribed to the DNG |
| 09:11.30 | edbarx | To upgrade to ASCII I assume I must get rid of security.debian.org lines. Testing doesn't normally get security updates, I assume also in Devuan. |
| 09:12.39 | nepugia | you can add ascii-security lines afaik... but not from the debian mirrors :) |
| 09:13.19 | edbarx | Where can I get the whole line? That needs to be exact. |
| 09:21.04 | aitor | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main |
| 09:21.14 | aitor | i think... |
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| 09:42.31 | edbarx | Goooooooooood! Update succeeds. Now the treacherous dist-upgrade! |
| 09:43.37 | nepugia | heh, dist-upgrade has always worked for me on debian/devuan |
| 09:44.02 | nepugia | as for tasks like "booting the machine" and "shutting down the machine" devuan has generally been much better |
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| 09:55.06 | aitor | be back shortly |
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| 10:27.15 | aitor | hi again |
| 10:28.45 | aitor | i'm adding another binary to the popupmenu, this binary reads the content of /etc/shadow, so it needs suid permissions |
| 10:30.20 | aitor | if the string "root:*:" is present in this file (or "root:!:") then the binary will return "gksudo"; otherwise, the binary will return "gksu" |
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| 12:45.40 | edbarx | Jessie (Devuanised) ----> ASCII was successful with a few dpkg messages, the system asking how and when daemons should be restarted, non-empty directories that couldn't be removed and the adwaita icons failing to be copied. I also ended up with two versions of Lazarus Pascal IDE being installed. Boot seems to take longer than before but this is a machine from the Paleozoic era! |
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| 16:15.46 | golinux | I'm late to the party. Just for the record . . . all the sources are listed on devuan.org at https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list and https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list/d |
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| 17:07.58 | nailyk | Many thanks for devuan! Awesome distro! |
| 17:08.51 | skyroveRR | nailyk: :) |
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| 19:55.14 | user | hi! Could you help me please. Where will be done Devuan Ascii? |
| 19:57.27 | user | Sorry ) "When" )) |
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| 20:02.45 | unixman_home | user, I've not seen mention of a fixed date for release of ascii. IME a new Devuan release will be "done" when it is "done". In the past there have been no hard dates set for a release. A set release date is one thing I would like to see for Devuan. |
| 20:04.25 | unixman_home | Regardless, I can be patient and wait as long as what is current does what I need. Jessie still works for me. |
| 20:08.57 | nepugia | ASCII works fine too, depending on what you use (some heavier desktops might have more problems) |
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| 20:48.41 | minnesotags | Hey! I'm setting up a new desktop. It will ultimately have i3, but what are other folks using for a desktop environment? Default, mate, xfce, lxde? |
| 20:49.19 | minnesotags | I need to have both a "normal" desktop and i3 boot options. |
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| 20:56.24 | Fervi | Xfce4 is nice |
| 20:56.41 | Fervi | but noobs use Gnome / KDE |
| 20:57.02 | Demosthenex | Fervi: real men use emacs. for wm. |
| 20:57.23 | Fervi | Real men use console ... on printer |
| 20:57.28 | Demosthenex | minnesotags: i can't use i3, because they don't support vertical docks. |
| 20:57.37 | Demosthenex | Fervi: and perl |
| 20:59.23 | minnesotags | There is a really nasty bot attacking the debianfork channel. |
| 20:59.34 | Demosthenex | its on all of them, and pming |
| 20:59.37 | Demosthenex | just ignore it |
| 20:59.46 | minnesotags | Ah |
| 21:00.26 | minnesotags | What are 'vertical docks' |
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| 21:15.55 | Demosthenex | side panels along the side of the screen |
| 21:15.58 | Demosthenex | conki/gkrellm |
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