| 00:00.09 | fsmithred | and you can only boot with acpi turned off? |
| 00:00.48 | fsmithred | or am I thinking of someone else? |
| 00:01.37 | amarsh04 | EFI? |
| 00:01.44 | fsmithred | yup. different thinkpad. |
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| 01:20.49 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 04:08.50 | fromport | is running ceres with lxde. have a few issues: 1) my "suspend" options have dissapeared with the gui (made a cli equivalent) 2) my sound is no longer working for eg youtube, but when I take screenshot, i hear a shutter sound, even when i mute the sound on the control bar in lxde. anyone got any ideas ? |
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| 06:18.31 | tudor2 | fsmithred: no, things are working fine, but the driver or the bios keeps this key. have not debugged this |
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| 11:19.53 | JotaMG | Hi! |
| 11:19.54 | JotaMG | any reason why gvfs and netowrk-manager are not updated for ascii ?? |
| 11:20.21 | KatolaZ | not a particular one |
| 11:21.27 | JotaMG | KatolaZ: and ...? |
| 11:26.17 | JotaMG | ... so?? |
| 11:26.18 | JotaMG | no explanation why gvfs and netowrk-manager are not updated for ascii ?? |
| 11:31.09 | KatolaZ | JotaMG: didn't have time to work on that |
| 11:31.15 | KatolaZ | there is a sprint this weekend |
| 11:31.21 | KatolaZ | let's see what we can do :) |
| 11:31.44 | KatolaZ | what other reason did you expect? |
| 11:31.45 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 11:33.58 | JotaMG | do you need help? |
| 11:34.00 | JotaMG | because I have them compiled and working on my Devuan ascci, I just wonder if I may had missed something, because Devuan have not updated the repos... |
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| 11:46.22 | KatolaZ | JotaMG: just lack of time |
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| 15:56.19 | tpcoder | \o |
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| 15:57.06 | tpcoder | I can't get my power settings to work under xfce. If I close the lid of my thinkpad nothing happens. |
| 15:57.19 | KatolaZ | tpcoder: which thinkpad? |
| 15:57.29 | tpcoder | despite the settings being set to "suspend" when lid is closed |
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| 15:57.33 | tpcoder | t460 |
| 15:58.08 | KatolaZ | what does acpi_listen say? |
| 15:58.38 | tpcoder | it does say lid is closed |
| 15:58.46 | tpcoder | and open when i open it again |
| 15:58.54 | KatolaZ | which event? |
| 15:59.03 | tpcoder | button/lid |
| 15:59.19 | KatolaZ | and what do you have under /etc/acpi/events? |
| 16:00.05 | tpcoder | i only have a file called powerbtn-acpi-support |
| 16:00.16 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:00.23 | KatolaZ | so you are missing... |
| 16:00.25 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 16:00.31 | tpcoder | this is the content of that file: |
| 16:00.39 | tpcoder | okay |
| 16:00.49 | KatolaZ | acpi-support |
| 16:00.57 | KatolaZ | do you have that package installed? |
| 16:01.05 | tpcoder | let me check |
| 16:01.09 | KatolaZ | (BTW, which release are we talking about?) |
| 16:01.14 | tpcoder | ascii |
| 16:01.27 | KatolaZ | install acpi-support |
| 16:01.43 | tpcoder | yeah it's not installed |
| 16:01.49 | KatolaZ | you might have no-install-recommnds set |
| 16:02.01 | KatolaZ | (which is not a bad thing, tbh) |
| 16:02.13 | tpcoder | how do i switch that on |
| 16:02.14 | KatolaZ | that package contains /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn |
| 16:02.17 | KatolaZ | it's on |
| 16:02.25 | KatolaZ | just restart acpid |
| 16:02.39 | KatolaZ | have a look into /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn |
| 16:02.59 | KatolaZ | it should call /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 16:03.13 | tpcoder | but first i need to intall acpi-support right |
| 16:03.16 | tpcoder | ? |
| 16:03.50 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 16:04.23 | tpcoder | # /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn # Called when the user closes or opens the lid event=button[ /]lid action=/etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 16:04.46 | tpcoder | this is the content of /etc/acpi/events/libbtn |
| 16:05.13 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 16:05.18 | KatolaZ | just restart acpid |
| 16:05.24 | KatolaZ | and you are done |
| 16:05.45 | tpcoder | how do i restart acpid? |
| 16:05.51 | KatolaZ | -_- |
| 16:05.54 | tpcoder | :D |
| 16:05.58 | KatolaZ | /etc/init.d/acpid restart |
| 16:06.06 | tpcoder | thank you :) |
| 16:06.08 | KatolaZ | np |
| 16:06.52 | tpcoder | was not familiar with init scripts |
| 16:07.00 | KatolaZ | np |
| 16:07.04 | tpcoder | have been using systemd you know |
| 16:07.27 | KatolaZ | you could also use |
| 16:07.32 | KatolaZ | service acpid restart |
| 16:07.43 | KatolaZ | just a matter of preference |
| 16:08.40 | tpcoder | I'll note that down. For some reason "/etc/init.d/acpid restart" seems more natural to me |
| 16:08.48 | tpcoder | but that's just me |
| 16:09.25 | KatolaZ | I think it's me as well :) |
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| 16:23.03 | KatolaZ | zfs init scripts needed |
| 16:23.05 | KatolaZ | see DNG |
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| 16:23.48 | tpcoder_ | KatolaZ: the lid stil doesn't trigger anything |
| 16:23.58 | tpcoder_ | I've restarted acpid |
| 16:24.05 | tpcoder_ | even restarted the system |
| 16:24.19 | KatolaZ | tpcoder_: do you have a matching event in lidbtn.sh? |
| 16:24.30 | KatolaZ | restarting is never the solution :) |
| 16:24.35 | tpcoder_ | :)) |
| 16:24.37 | tpcoder_ | let me check |
| 16:25.05 | KatolaZ | it should be the very same string returned by acpi_listen when you close the lid |
| 16:25.26 | tpcoder_ | yes it returns the same string |
| 16:25.34 | tpcoder_ | button/lid |
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| 16:31.38 | tpcoder_ | xfce-power-manager doesn't seem to update /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 16:35.00 | tpcoder_ | lidbtn links to lid.sh |
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| 16:47.58 | tpcoder_ | the power button doesn't seem to be doing anything as well |
| 16:52.21 | g4570n | Hi, I have jessie installed on a desktop pc, I can put it in suspend mode but when I wake it up the XFCE Desktop is freezed, I can not use it, I have to restart. This can be a Nouveau problem or can it be a kernel problem? What do you think |
| 16:52.53 | KatolaZ | tpcoder_: check the event and the corresponding script |
| 16:53.00 | KatolaZ | it must work on the T460 |
| 16:55.48 | gnarface | g4570n: they might be able to help in #nouveau, it's probably an issue with that but it's part of the kernel.... |
| 16:57.05 | gnarface | g4570n: usually it's a problem with some driver's power management though |
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| 16:57.32 | tudor2 | what is the simplest tool to manage one qemu vm on devuan ascii? the most important task is to stop the vm when shutting down the computor. |
| 16:59.22 | g4570n | gnarface: OK thanks. I was asking because in Wheezy I did not have this problem |
| 16:59.49 | gnarface | g4570n: oh, really? were you using the official drivers though, or are you sure it was nouveau? |
| 17:00.24 | gnarface | g4570n: make sure you mention that to them |
| 17:00.48 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 17:01.02 | gnarface | weird |
| 17:01.25 | gnarface | does the mouse cursor still move? |
| 17:01.43 | gnarface | or is it completely dead to keyboard/mouse input? |
| 17:03.04 | tpcoder_ | what is all the policykit and logind stuff in xfpm |
| 17:03.17 | tpcoder_ | I assume it will all be removed in the future? |
| 17:03.34 | g4570n | gnarface: ok, yes I was using Nouveau. The mouse cursor, at times, moves and freezes again. The keyboard does not respond directly. |
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| 17:07.26 | gnarface | g4570n: mention that too |
| 17:07.42 | gnarface | sounds familiar ... |
| 17:09.37 | gnarface | g4570n: did you try to ctrl+alt+f2? |
| 17:09.55 | gnarface | g4570n: maybe if you get to a virtual terminal it will give you a chance to kill xorg |
| 17:11.00 | g4570n | gnarface: The keyboard does not respond for try ctrl+alt+f2 |
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| 17:20.52 | tpcoder_ | KatolaZ: it simply just isn't the script I think |
| 17:21.00 | tpcoder_ | it might have to do with this -> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=774 |
| 17:21.08 | tpcoder_ | Seems familiar to me |
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| 17:26.15 | tpcoder_ | my experience with xfce on devuan was a nightmare so far. No working battery functions, no working lid functions. Datetime widget disappears after opening its window and closing it afterwards. Dpi scaling was out of control |
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| 17:27.07 | tpcoder_ | menubar options have no whitespace between them with the stock theme |
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| 17:36.09 | tpcoder_ | it's FAR from stable |
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| 17:57.35 | blinkdog | what is far from stable? |
| 17:57.41 | tpcoder_ | XFCE |
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| 18:07.05 | armin | xfce is actually quite stable. |
| 18:07.40 | fugitive | i am on xfce ever since i installed devuan (jessie) no prblems with it |
| 18:08.24 | tpcoder_ | on jessie it's stable indeed |
| 18:08.39 | tpcoder_ | i was talking about ascii |
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| 18:09.21 | tpcoder_ | try to simply open the clock widget window and close it. |
| 18:09.22 | armin | tpcoder_: the only thing that i also experienced was dpi scaling being weird, but i don't know of any other WM/DE that supports this in a sane way, anyways. |
| 18:10.13 | tpcoder_ | armin: are your battery/lid functions working? |
| 18:10.30 | tpcoder_ | if you're on a laptop of course |
| 18:10.43 | armin | tpcoder_: they have been on my last xfce setups, on all distributions. |
| 18:11.45 | armin | tpcoder_: quite frankly, i didn't use xfce for some months now, but still, i had no problems with that. |
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| 18:20.21 | fugitive | >are your battery/lid functions working? , this is is the only issue i have :) have to pm-suspend each time, and close lid, never bothered with troubleshooting it thou.. |
| 18:20.34 | golinux | g4570n: Are you using KDE? |
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| 18:22.45 | tpcoder_ | fugitive: this has been pointed out many times. 1. https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/msg/89757893/ 2. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=774 3. https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/msg/90486130/ |
| 18:23.11 | tpcoder_ | I wonder if this is a bug |
| 18:23.22 | golinux | tpcoder: GTK-3 has broken a LOT of themes in ascii. C;leralooks-Phenoix renders correctly. There will soon be a version - Clearlooks-Phenix-DarkPurpy - tyo match the new look for ascii. |
| 18:23.48 | golinux | I'm just finishing it up atm. |
| 18:23.49 | fugitive | tpcoder_ thanks will look on it |
| 18:25.14 | g4570n | golinux: xfce 4.10 |
| 18:26.07 | golinux | Use Clearlooks-Phenix-Purpy then |
| 18:26.19 | golinux | It's in the repos. |
| 18:26.49 | tpcoder_ | golinux: Clearlooks-Phenix-Purpy is broken for me |
| 18:26.56 | golinux | HUH? |
| 18:27.08 | tpcoder_ | the menu bar items have no whitespaces between them |
| 18:27.15 | golinux | Do you have gtk2 and 3 engines installed? |
| 18:27.32 | tpcoder_ | i suppose so |
| 18:28.16 | tpcoder_ | gtk2--engines is installed |
| 18:28.23 | tpcoder_ | gtk3 isn't |
| 18:28.47 | golinux | gtk2-engines-xfce too |
| 18:29.06 | tpcoder_ | gtk2-engines-xfce is installed |
| 18:29.34 | golinux | gtk3-engines-xfce |
| 18:29.34 | tpcoder_ | gtk3-engines-xfce isn't however |
| 18:29.43 | golinux | That's the problem then |
| 18:29.56 | tpcoder_ | how it isn't installed |
| 18:30.08 | golinux | Those should be dependencies |
| 18:30.08 | tpcoder_ | i installed xfce myself |
| 18:30.18 | golinux | for that theme. |
| 18:30.42 | golinux | They aren't for xfce |
| 18:30.58 | golinux | Does that fix things? |
| 18:31.14 | tpcoder_ | hmm.. so the Clearlooks-Phenix-Purpy I have right now was meant for jessie? |
| 18:31.26 | tpcoder_ | because i upgraded from jessie to ascii |
| 18:31.43 | golinux | Yes. It's broken in ascii because gtk3 is a moving target |
| 18:32.01 | golinux | I have not yet finied the theming compatible with ascii |
| 18:32.04 | golinux | \ |
| 18:32.34 | tpcoder_ | so you recommend me to install gtk3-engines-xfce? |
| 18:32.37 | tpcoder_ | by hand? |
| 18:32.38 | golinux | When I get the default darkpurpy finished I will re-theme for purpy too. |
| 18:33.22 | golinux | Of course. Either synaptic or cli |
| 18:34.31 | tpcoder_ | gtk3-engines-xfce is installed now. Still didn't fix the whitespace problem |
| 18:34.38 | tpcoder_ | maybe i need to relogin? |
| 18:36.35 | tpcoder_ | oh and BTW the stock xfce themes have this issue as well. |
| 18:36.58 | tpcoder_ | Xfce-basic, Xfce-dusk etc. |
| 18:36.59 | golinux | They have for years |
| 18:37.13 | golinux | Don't know why they are still included. |
| 18:38.12 | tpcoder_ | I am going to relogin now |
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| 18:38.43 | golinux | Clearlook-Phenix is the one of the few themes that works with GTK3. |
| 18:38.49 | tpcoder_ | I'll let you know if this resolves the issue |
| 18:38.58 | tpcoder_ | Clearlook-Phenix works fine |
| 18:39.09 | tpcoder_ | Clearlooks-Phenix-Purpy doesn't |
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| 18:39.32 | tpcoder_ | BRB in 2min |
| 18:39.32 | golinux | purpy works on jessie. |
| 18:39.36 | golinux | Not ascii. |
| 18:40.34 | golinux | I just told you that I am in process of doing the themes for ascii |
| 18:40.42 | golinux | atm |
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| 18:42.19 | tpcoder | golinux: as expected Clearlooks-Phenix-Purpy is broken |
| 18:42.35 | golinux | Yes, it is for jessie not ascii. |
| 18:42.46 | golinux | I am in process of doing the themes for ascii |
| 18:43.08 | golinux | I said that above several times |
| 18:43.09 | tpcoder | why doesn't it get autoremoved during the upgrade to ascii? |
| 18:43.41 | golinux | Because no one thought of it. And I will redo purpy for ascii before long. |
| 18:43.51 | tpcoder | okay |
| 18:44.26 | golinux | Have to finish Clearlooks-Phenix-DarkPurpy first. |
| 18:44.32 | golinux | Hold on |
| 18:45.49 | golinux | Here are some screenies but not the final yet: https://transfer.sh/C3980/text_696578.png |
| 18:45.49 | golinux | https://transfer.sh/RwDDV/file_696578.png |
| 18:47.27 | tpcoder | looks okay. Much better than Clearlooks-Phenix-Purpy at least |
| 18:48.21 | golinux | Better is an opinion. Different is a more accurate description |
| 18:49.13 | golinux | I like them both (but then I'm biased) ;) |
| 18:50.25 | golinux | You'll get dakrpurpy soon when desktop-base gets upgraded. It's a WIP |
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| 19:02.55 | matlock | following these instructions here: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-to-Devuan doesn't work for Debian Jessie to Devuan Jessie |
| 19:03.11 | matlock | "systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before removing systemd." |
| 19:05.59 | matlock | I think the first steps should be to install sysvinit, specify it as kernel option in grub config, and reboot, then proceed with distupgrade |
| 19:07.32 | ThurahT | too bad those dutch coders can't code a site that actually displays images. |
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| 19:11.01 | matlock | is it possible to specify kernel boot options in an openvz linux guest, specifically init=? |
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| 19:24.16 | msiism | two days ago, i tried to install devuan jessie on an old laptop. apt could not be configured due to problems with the server addresses. now, i changed everything to pkgmaster.devuan.org. but packages could not be checked at first, so i installed devuan-keyring. now that works. however, i had to install devuan-keyring without being checked. that doesn't feel right. so, where could i find a checksum of that package to verify |
| 19:26.41 | fromport | sorry for repeat of 15 hours ago. anyone has an idea about this ? I am is running ceres with lxde. have a few issues: 1) my "suspend" options have dissapeared with the gui (made a cli equivalent) 2) my sound is no longer working for eg youtube, but when I take screenshot, i hear a shutter sound, even when i mute the sound on the control bar in lxde. anyone got any ideas ? |
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| 19:40.34 | msiism | ok, found what i was looking for in http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/binary-all/Packages.gz |
| 19:44.34 | KatolaZ | msiism: ? |
| 19:45.41 | KatolaZ | it is actually sufficient to install devuan-keyring while still using auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 19:45.47 | KatolaZ | and then switch mirrors |
| 19:48.13 | golinux | matlock: I think you should have switched to sysvinit before the upgrade to Devuan |
| 19:48.58 | KatolaZ | matlock: actually, the upgrade should work anyway |
| 19:49.18 | KatolaZ | I have tested it with several vesions of Debian Jessie 8.x |
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| 19:55.57 | msiism | KatolaZ: how is that? |
| 19:56.13 | KatolaZ | like I said |
| 19:56.20 | msiism | KatolaZ: don't i have to verify that package somehow? |
| 19:56.30 | KatolaZ | install it using auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 19:56.38 | KatolaZ | it will be signed with the devuan-keyring that you already have |
| 19:56.39 | msiism | ok, i see |
| 19:56.42 | KatolaZ | ... |
| 19:56.56 | KatolaZ | then you switch repo afterwards |
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| 19:57.07 | msiism | well, i've checked the checksum now anyway...fun stuff |
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| 20:03.21 | matlock | KatolaZ yeah it doesn't work in openvz containers |
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| 21:25.52 | msiism | KatolaZ: i've got those wdm logos ready. where do you want me to put them. also: do you just need the pgn files or also the gimp files (xcf)? |
| 21:26.21 | msiism | pgn -> png |
| 21:26.38 | KatolaZ | done already msiism |
| 21:26.43 | KatolaZ | I imported the png |
| 21:26.48 | KatolaZ | and converted it to xpm |
| 21:26.51 | KatolaZ | the injection works |
| 21:27.02 | KatolaZ | I have some problems with the build conf |
| 21:27.07 | KatolaZ | but it worked fine :) |
| 21:27.08 | KatolaZ | thanks! |
| 21:27.25 | KatolaZ | msiism: I will let you know as soon as the package is installable |
| 21:27.27 | msiism | well, i've just created an ascii darkpurpy variant of the logo and updated the other ones |
| 21:27.48 | KatolaZ | msiism: this is just a proof-of-concept |
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| 21:28.00 | KatolaZ | the final word on logos is golinux' |
| 21:28.02 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 21:28.08 | msiism | ok, so we can include the newer stuff later? |
| 21:28.23 | msiism | she says it looks good. |
| 21:29.19 | KatolaZ | more important problems than logos atm msiism |
| 21:29.27 | KatolaZ | but yes, we can include them at any point in time :) |
| 21:31.23 | golinux | KatolaZ: The logo has been darkpurpified! |
| 21:31.37 | golinux | So inject away!!\ |
| 21:31.49 | msiism | KatolaZ: ok, no problem. |
| 21:31.50 | MinceR | that's what she said. |
| 21:32.07 | golinux | tries to wake up and get back to theming . . . |
| 21:32.30 | msiism | MinceR: and that is inappropriate... |
| 21:33.01 | msiism | KatolaZ: so, just contact me whenever you have time and then we can take care of that. |
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| 21:33.13 | MinceR | :) |
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| 21:34.52 | KatolaZ | ok msiism |
| 21:35.00 | KatolaZ | thanks |
| 21:35.07 | KatolaZ | you can put the logo somewhere |
| 21:35.23 | msiism | i'll try git |
| 21:38.22 | msiism | MinceR: i was meaning to say it's not funny (just to clarify and no discussion intended) |
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| 22:42.04 | g4570n | fromport: Try installing this package: "qasmixer" as a replacement for the audio volume manager that comes by default. Open QasMixer, select: "mixer device - hw" and then mark all the dots below the bars and try to play something. That helped me recover the sound when I lost it a few weeks ago. On the option of Suspend the system I have heard that it does not appear either to those who install Mate, I do |
| 22:42.10 | g4570n | not know what the problem is. |
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| 23:20.22 | golinux | g4570n: Have you tried this? $ amixer set Master unmute |
| 23:21.33 | golinux | Actually that's intended for fromport. |
| 23:23.55 | nepugia | is unable to find the original message with the problem description :/ |
| 23:29.09 | nepugia | ah i found it, are you playing your youtube videos in firefox? if you do not have pulseaudio installed that could be a problem, since they removed the alsa backend (or atleast made it non-default for compile) |
| 23:31.24 | KatolaZ | nepugia: we are including apulse in ascii |
| 23:33.28 | nepugia | they are running ceres, but how do you make sure that you include it? ;) is it in the critical system components section? (i think it was esential) |
| 23:34.00 | KatolaZ | nepugia: ? |
| 23:34.13 | nepugia | just did a dpkg -l on my ascii system and i dont seem to have an apulse installed |
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| 23:35.22 | g4570n | golinux: When I ran out of audio that time I tried everything and nothing worked :D Until @AlexLikeRock recommended me to do the process I mentioned before |
| 23:37.17 | nepugia | the firefox-esr in ascii still uses alsa backend (52-esr) |
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| 23:38.50 | KatolaZ | nepugia: is "coming" there |
| 23:38.54 | KatolaZ | it's already in experimental |
| 23:39.05 | KatolaZ | I am building it now for ascii |
| 23:39.50 | nepugia | ah, misread your comment |
| 23:41.14 | KatolaZ | :) |
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