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| 01:23.30 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 08:51.36 | l41f3n | Hello |
| 08:51.44 | l41f3n | I have a question please |
| 08:52.20 | l41f3n | When I choose ascii/testing version and when all of packages are installed |
| 08:52.38 | l41f3n | I can see still "jessie" in /etc/devuan_version file |
| 08:53.05 | l41f3n | It is not very important |
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| 09:29.48 | gnarface | l41f3n: if you force reinstall the base-files package maybe it'll update it |
| 09:30.09 | l41f3n | packages version are updated |
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| 09:30.33 | gnarface | yea but i just checked a fresh debootstrap install and it's not doing that |
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| 09:30.47 | l41f3n | ah |
| 09:31.21 | gnarface | it says ascii/ceres here |
| 09:32.32 | gnarface | the fact it's a fully updated debootstrap install to a fresh chroot i suspect is the material difference here, not the fact it's arm64 |
| 09:32.47 | gnarface | but anything's possible... |
| 09:33.41 | l41f3n | ii base-files 9.9+deb9u2 amd64 Debian base system miscellaneous files |
| 09:34.01 | gnarface | interesting... |
| 09:34.05 | gnarface | wrong version |
| 09:34.07 | gnarface | backport maybe? |
| 09:34.16 | gnarface | i've got 9.2+devuan7 |
| 09:34.18 | l41f3n | no |
| 09:34.41 | gnarface | deb9u2 i think means it's from their repo |
| 09:34.57 | l41f3n | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.02 | l41f3n | jessie |
| 09:35.22 | gnarface | hmmmm |
| 09:35.27 | gnarface | something definitely weird |
| 09:35.58 | gnarface | but it could be that somehow you pulled in a debian version after having the devuan jessie one installed, and it left that behind |
| 09:37.06 | l41f3n | I have juste took a jessie version (devuan) |
| 09:37.20 | l41f3n | and I have change jessie to ascii on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:37.22 | l41f3n | deb http://de.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main |
| 09:37.24 | l41f3n | deb-src http://de.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main |
| 09:40.05 | l41f3n | it's not important but I find it weird :) |
| 09:40.10 | gnarface | did you then run: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 09:40.28 | l41f3n | just apt update && apt dist-upgrade |
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| 09:44.41 | gnarface | hmmm.... one would think it'd have worked the same anyway |
| 09:44.50 | gnarface | unless you had a stranegly high version from debian somewhere |
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| 09:48.36 | gnarface | i guess on this other amd64 machine it says jessie too |
| 09:49.20 | gnarface | weird |
| 09:49.39 | gnarface | but it was an upgrade |
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| 09:56.33 | l41f3n | hum I think I have an idea |
| 09:56.57 | l41f3n | on this same lvs I had a Debian Stretch |
| 09:57.19 | l41f3n | I have not remove this lvs, just dd a Devuan image |
| 09:57.36 | l41f3n | (sorry for my bad english :)) |
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| 10:16.55 | l41f3n | I I just retest on a new lvs and always jessie in /etc/devuan_version |
| 10:17.01 | l41f3n | I don't understand... |
| 10:17.31 | djph | the installation CDs are only Devuan Jessie ... |
| 10:19.17 | l41f3n | no CD |
| 10:19.19 | l41f3n | iso |
| 10:19.52 | l41f3n | netinstall.iso |
| 10:25.41 | djph | it's the same thing. |
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| 10:36.47 | fsmithred | mine says jessie on an upgrade to ascii, too. Problem is that it still has the debian version of base-files. It's the stretch version, but I'm sure it doesn't contain /etc/devuan_version |
| 10:38.46 | fsmithred | ascii has 9.2, stretch has 9.9 |
| 10:40.34 | djph | wait, wouldn't devuan be setting /etc/version? |
| 10:42.41 | fsmithred | there's no /etc/version. There is /etc/issue and /etc/os-release |
| 10:43.19 | fsmithred | hm, both of those say debian on the upgrade |
| 10:47.03 | fsmithred | apt-get install base-files=9.2+devuan7 |
| 10:47.38 | fsmithred | now /etc/issue, /etc/devuan_version and /etc/os_release are right |
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| 10:48.56 | fsmithred | there's a newer one in ascii-proposed |
| 10:50.11 | djph | fsmithred: meant /etc/devuan_version. fingers not listening to brain (AKA PEBCAK) |
| 10:51.55 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: it's fixed but we need to make a change in the package and to move the package |
| 10:52.09 | KatolaZ | scheduled for the ascii sprint |
| 10:52.17 | fsmithred | cool |
| 10:53.41 | fsmithred | oh yeah, I see /etc/issue is wrong |
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| 10:56.41 | Gargravarr | hi gents, i just ran an update on one of my VM tanks and got an odd error message on generating the initramfs: |
| 10:56.45 | Gargravarr | dracut: systemd-initrd needs systemd in the initramfs |
| 10:56.56 | Gargravarr | should i be concerned about the machine rebooting? |
| 10:58.44 | fsmithred | jessie or ascii? |
| 10:58.50 | Gargravarr | jessie |
| 10:59.10 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: uh? |
| 10:59.13 | KatolaZ | on jessie? |
| 10:59.21 | Gargravarr | hence 'odd' :) |
| 10:59.35 | KatolaZ | are you using Debian;s repos? |
| 10:59.56 | KatolaZ | oh btw it says "dracut: systemd-initrd needs systemd in the initramfs" |
| 11:00.02 | KatolaZ | not to GET an initramfs |
| 11:00.58 | Gargravarr | i'm not sure if it's actually regenerated the initramfs though |
| 11:01.10 | KatolaZ | why should it? |
| 11:01.53 | Gargravarr | kernel upgrade |
| 11:02.15 | KatolaZ | I mean why do you need systemd in the initramfs? |
| 11:03.01 | Gargravarr | that's what i'm wondering, why would that po up on a Devuan system |
| 11:03.19 | KatolaZ | are you using any Debian repo? |
| 11:03.30 | fsmithred | dracut is the same in debian and devuan |
| 11:03.34 | Gargravarr | no, just checked. all Devuan |
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| 11:03.43 | fsmithred | so the error message is in there someplace |
| 11:03.49 | KatolaZ | please report the version of dracut |
| 11:04.08 | Gargravarr | 044+241-1~bpo8+1 |
| 11:04.21 | KatolaZ | so it's from backports |
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| 11:07.28 | Gargravarr | ah, so i checked my bash history, i installed dracut manually |
| 11:07.36 | Gargravarr | round about the same time i installed FAI |
| 11:08.02 | Gargravarr | looks like i was tinkering with automated Ubuntu installs (this was a couple of months ago) |
| 11:08.18 | Gargravarr | that would explain the systemd complaints |
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| 11:11.02 | fsmithred | you have ubuntu packages installed? |
| 11:12.20 | Gargravarr | not Ubuntu per se, but it seems i got dracut from here: https://fai-project.org/download/jessie/ |
| 11:14.02 | fsmithred | looks like the same version that's in backports |
| 11:14.18 | KatolaZ | it does not mean that it will have the same requirements.... |
| 11:14.35 | Gargravarr | this was also before i had the VM tank working properly and was hacking with stuff directly on the host rather than, as i should have, dedicating a VM to this stuff |
| 11:14.52 | fsmithred | you mean it could be a different package with the same version number? |
| 11:15.28 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: we have same version packages as in debian |
| 11:15.32 | KatolaZ | still, without systemd... |
| 11:17.59 | Gargravarr | do you think i should try removing dracut and regenerating the initramfs? |
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| 11:18.23 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: maybe |
| 11:18.49 | fsmithred | do you still have the old kernel? |
| 11:19.26 | KatolaZ | man, there is no way you can burn it off completely |
| 11:19.42 | KatolaZ | if the initramfs is not "complete" you should still be able to boot to /bin/sh |
| 11:19.59 | Gargravarr | looks like i was right to be cautious |
| 11:20.00 | Gargravarr | update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 has been altered. |
| 11:20.13 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: ^^^^ |
| 11:20.24 | Gargravarr | update-initramfs insists i use the -t flag to 'take over a custom kernel' |
| 11:20.30 | Gargravarr | yeah, i know |
| 11:20.37 | Gargravarr | trouble is, this is now my primary VM tank :) |
| 11:20.56 | Gargravarr | therees a secondary with redundant systems |
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| 11:21.04 | KatolaZ | do you have servers running there? |
| 11:21.04 | Gargravarr | but i would rather not brick this machine unnecessarily |
| 11:21.15 | KatolaZ | you can't brick the machine... :\ |
| 11:21.17 | Gargravarr | KatolaZ: DNS and APT mirror |
| 11:21.26 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 11:21.33 | KatolaZ | just take the initramfs |
| 11:21.37 | Gargravarr | fsmithred: i do, and i haven't rebooted yet |
| 11:21.37 | KatolaZ | unpack it somewhere |
| 11:21.41 | KatolaZ | and have a look into it |
| 11:21.42 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 11:21.58 | Gargravarr | i already ran 'update-initramfs -ut' |
| 11:22.05 | Gargravarr | it seems to have run to completion with no errors |
| 11:22.08 | KatolaZ | as far as you have init and sh in there you are fine |
| 11:23.02 | Gargravarr | KatolaZ: how do you unpack it? |
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| 11:23.43 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: initramfs is just a tar.gz |
| 11:23.47 | KatolaZ | or tar.bz2 |
| 11:23.50 | KatolaZ | or tar.xz |
| 11:23.53 | KatolaZ | just |
| 11:24.01 | KatolaZ | file initramfs.img |
| 11:24.08 | KatolaZ | and find out |
| 11:24.43 | Gargravarr | yes, it's a gzip |
| 11:24.44 | Gargravarr | gzip: initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 11:24.49 | Gargravarr | smacks gzip |
| 11:25.07 | KatolaZ | cat initramfs.img | gunzip - |
| 11:25.16 | KatolaZ | cat initramfs.img | gunzip - > file.tar |
| 11:26.46 | Gargravarr | yes, thanks for the redirect, i should have done that the first time :P |
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| 11:27.42 | Gargravarr | resets his scrambled terminal |
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| 11:28.15 | Gargravarr | okay, so i have initrd.tar, but tar won't touch it. what now? |
| 11:28.24 | KatolaZ | it's not a tar |
| 11:28.26 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 11:28.28 | Gargravarr | as it's an impage, can i just loopfs mount it? |
| 11:28.29 | KatolaZ | should be a cpio |
| 11:28.34 | KatolaZ | or an ar |
| 11:28.38 | KatolaZ | hold on |
| 11:28.39 | Gargravarr | cpio, yeah |
| 11:29.44 | Gargravarr | cpio -i initrd.tar |
| 11:29.58 | KatolaZ | it's cpio |
| 11:30.00 | KatolaZ | cpio -id |
| 11:30.15 | KatolaZ | yes |
| 11:30.56 | Gargravarr | doesn't seem to be doing anything with -id |
| 11:31.16 | Gargravarr | htop showing 0 CPU, 0 RAM |
| 11:32.07 | KatolaZ | cat initramfs.img | gunzip - | cpio -id |
| 11:32.19 | KatolaZ | cpio expects input from stdin |
| 11:33.05 | Gargravarr | ahhh |
| 11:33.48 | Gargravarr | yes, i have ./init and ./bin/sh |
| 11:36.17 | KatolaZ | then you are fine |
| 11:36.29 | KatolaZ | (or should be :D) |
| 11:36.30 | Gargravarr | probably worth trying to reboot now then... |
| 11:36.35 | Gargravarr | crosses fingers |
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| 11:41.14 | Gargravarr | watches ping nervously |
| 11:42.25 | Gargravarr | phew, it's back up |
| 11:42.30 | Gargravarr | and the VMs have started |
| 11:43.01 | Gargravarr | got the load average up to 13.0 :) |
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| 11:44.44 | KatolaZ | Gargravarr: keep calm, under any condition |
| 11:44.46 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 11:44.52 | KatolaZ | Linux cannot get broken easily |
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| 11:44.56 | KatolaZ | if you know your way around |
| 11:45.12 | Gargravarr | KatolaZ: you say that, but i once uninstalled Perl on a Debian box ;) |
| 11:45.44 | Gargravarr | if left to its own devices, Linux is practically indestructible |
| 11:45.52 | KatolaZ | well, you must have written something like "yes, I am totally sure that this is what I want to do, so please shut the fuck up and uninstall that thing" before APT did that |
| 11:46.00 | Gargravarr | it's a carefree sysadmin pushing the wrong buttons :P |
| 11:46.05 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 11:46.20 | Gargravarr | honestly, APT didn't warn me that uninstalling Perl would brick the system |
| 11:46.37 | KatolaZ | it wouldn't brick it, tbh |
| 11:46.38 | Gargravarr | either that or i didn't notice 'APT depends on Perl, but removing anyway...!' |
| 11:46.43 | KatolaZ | just make it hard to work on |
| 11:46.49 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 11:46.51 | Gargravarr | yeah, i was able to recover it, manually reinstalled the .deb |
| 11:47.50 | Gargravarr | but that was an experience that taught me, 'yes, Linux WILL let you do anything, so you better be sure what you're telling it to do is the right thing!!' |
| 11:47.59 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 11:48.44 | Gargravarr | thanks for the help KatolaZ and fsmithred, the VM tank is back up and running with a new kernel |
| 11:50.44 | KatolaZ | np |
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| 13:43.49 | MinceR | would a package for a launcher of a free sw game that can download and run the newest version of the game be acceptble |
| 13:43.55 | MinceR | acceptable in the repo? |
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| 13:58.39 | djph | I don't see why not, as long as it's not bringing systemd along :) |
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| 14:02.59 | MinceR | it's not |
| 14:03.03 | tudor2 | hi folks |
| 14:03.19 | tudor2 | is it known that devuna jessie 1.0 is unable to install to an uefi laptop? |
| 14:03.43 | fsmithred | tudor2, I've installed devuan jessie on uefi many times |
| 14:03.49 | tudor2 | how? |
| 14:04.00 | tudor2 | the subject is a lenovo thinkpad x1 carbon |
| 14:04.04 | fsmithred | with the installer isos and with the live installer I wrote |
| 14:04.06 | tudor2 | with a windows vista on it |
| 14:04.15 | fsmithred | thinkpad should work |
| 14:04.36 | fsmithred | some of the idea pads don't work right |
| 14:04.53 | tudor2 | ...but how? I clicked through the install twice, and it does not even puts on the grub-efi packages, so it does not even tries |
| 14:05.21 | tudor2 | or your installer is different from the official one? |
| 14:05.24 | fsmithred | so you have an installed system on the hard drive but can't get to it? |
| 14:05.59 | fsmithred | yes, it copies the running live system to hard drive with rsync and then installs grub (if you want) |
| 14:06.23 | tudor2 | yes. It simply does not boots from sda5. Subfact: when i try to switch the partition to bootable, it does not do it |
| 14:06.57 | fsmithred | no, you need the efi partition to have boot flag (and esp flag) |
| 14:07.00 | tudor2 | i put sda5 into the efi config (via grml) but it seems that the partition is not bootable right now |
| 14:07.17 | tudor2 | so in the installer choose the efi partition as an efi partition? |
| 14:07.25 | fsmithred | it should |
| 14:07.42 | fsmithred | can you look at the efi partition to see what's on it? |
| 14:07.56 | fsmithred | either through windows or a live-CD/USB |
| 14:08.03 | MinceR | on my thinkpad x270, there was an option to enable legacy boot, so i used that :> |
| 14:08.14 | tudor2 | MinceR: tried that too, no joy |
| 14:08.26 | fsmithred | MinceR, did you keep windows on it? |
| 14:08.26 | MinceR | :( |
| 14:08.29 | MinceR | fsmithred: no |
| 14:08.36 | MinceR | i put the image away somewhere |
| 14:08.41 | MinceR | never touched it since :> |
| 14:09.08 | tudor2 | fsmithred: a sec, i have one pendrive to play... |
| 14:09.15 | fsmithred | I was reading about lenovo thinkcenter M series |
| 14:09.30 | fsmithred | they had to update the bios to get it to take linux |
| 14:09.43 | fsmithred | but the way they did it, you could have windows or linux but not both |
| 14:10.21 | MinceR | hm, i thought they only did that on some (non-thinkpad) yoga |
| 14:10.46 | fsmithred | I guess they wanted to be thorough |
| 14:11.16 | tudor2 | fsmithred: what would you like to know about the efi contents? it has a windows HD(1,GPT... and a Linux HD(5,GPT ... redhat\grub.efi |
| 14:11.53 | fsmithred | there should be EFI/devuan/grubx64.efi on it |
| 14:12.06 | fsmithred | but probably not, if grub didn't install |
| 14:12.24 | tudor2 | in the installer i have to do something efi specific? |
| 14:12.39 | fsmithred | not if there's already an efi partition |
| 14:12.45 | fsmithred | it should be recognized |
| 14:13.01 | fsmithred | and you won't even be asked where to put the bootloader. |
| 14:13.16 | fsmithred | only whether you want it or not (maybe only in expert install) |
| 14:13.38 | tudor2 | i was asked to where to put it. |
| 14:13.39 | tudor2 | hm. |
| 14:14.10 | fsmithred | grub-pc needs to be told, grub-efi does not |
| 14:14.25 | fsmithred | with uefi, there's only one place for bootloaders - efi partition |
| 14:14.50 | tudor2 | ok, let's force the intaller's hand then. |
| 14:14.59 | fsmithred | I assume you were able to turn off secure boot |
| 14:15.30 | fsmithred | you should be able to reinstall the bootloader from the installer CD |
| 14:15.41 | fsmithred | go into advanced menu |
| 14:15.51 | fsmithred | and I forget what it's called |
| 14:16.20 | tudor2 | it is disabled |
| 14:16.27 | fsmithred | good |
| 14:16.32 | tudor2 | i just disabled every mixed and csm boot options |
| 14:17.09 | fsmithred | you know your way around grub command line? |
| 14:17.25 | tudor2 | no, i always panic when i have to struggle with grub |
| 14:17.50 | fsmithred | oh, too bad. You could probably boot from the installers boot menu |
| 14:17.56 | tudor2 | but let me try first with the forced uefi. The screen resolution is already different :) |
| 14:18.13 | fsmithred | what do you mean 'forced uefi'? |
| 14:18.35 | tudor2 | i disabled legacy boot and something called CSM |
| 14:18.50 | fsmithred | yeah, ok |
| 14:20.05 | fsmithred | compatibility support mode (act like old hardware) |
| 14:20.33 | fsmithred | oh, you installed in legacy mode before? |
| 14:20.56 | tudor2 | it seems |
| 14:21.26 | tudor2 | it was not my intention, but my next youngest laptop is an x230. |
| 14:21.39 | tudor2 | these flashy uefi things are new to me. |
| 14:22.14 | fsmithred | well, if you went into the setup and turned on legacy/csm before the install, that would explain it |
| 14:22.29 | fsmithred | you might not be able to use gpt partitions with legacy |
| 14:22.49 | fsmithred | some motherboards may do that, but not all |
| 14:23.32 | tudor2 | btw, while the packages are downloading, how usable Ceres in everyday? |
| 14:23.45 | fsmithred | two things I should mention: 1. those many uefi installs I did were all on the same machine |
| 14:23.56 | tudor2 | i'm mostly using sid on my laptops and ubuntu on my corporate and gaming laptops |
| 14:23.58 | fsmithred | 2. uefi implementation varies widely |
| 14:24.26 | tudor2 | and sid is mostly usable if i'm careful to not to upgrade everything at the same time |
| 14:24.29 | fsmithred | I've only heard a few people talk about running ceres, and they all say it's stable |
| 14:24.58 | tudor2 | good to hear. This x1 needs the newest stuff. |
| 14:25.06 | tudor2 | it's beautiful. |
| 14:25.19 | fsmithred | jessie installer booted on it ok? |
| 14:25.52 | tudor2 | yes, except for two things: the installer cant see the wifi and the uefi. |
| 14:26.04 | fsmithred | oh |
| 14:26.07 | tudor2 | the video is bog-standard intel, everything else is intel, so it should work |
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| 14:26.20 | fsmithred | probably just need a newer kernel |
| 14:26.24 | tudor2 | yepp |
| 14:26.28 | tudor2 | this kernel is ancient. |
| 14:26.34 | tudor2 | 3.16 or something. |
| 14:26.37 | fsmithred | I made a couple of unofficial live isos with backports kernels |
| 14:26.54 | tudor2 | ok, now it installed the eif grub packages. |
| 14:26.57 | fsmithred | one jessie with 4.9 kernel and the full xfce desktop (same as the official live isos) |
| 14:27.21 | fsmithred | and one with ascii/openbox/4.12 kernel |
| 14:27.29 | fsmithred | ok, you should be in good shape, then |
| 14:27.38 | tudor2 | hah! it worked with uefi only |
| 14:28.02 | fsmithred | but you may want to get backports wireless driver or possibly upgrade to ascii |
| 14:28.39 | fsmithred | if you know you want to upgrade the system, you can start with a minimal install |
| 14:28.49 | fsmithred | will save time |
| 14:28.59 | tudor2 | that's what i did |
| 14:29.11 | tudor2 | btw, why is "print server" enabled in the package selection? |
| 14:29.30 | fsmithred | I guess because most people want cups already installed |
| 14:30.03 | fsmithred | it's a normal thing for a full desktop install |
| 14:30.15 | fsmithred | some of us still use printers |
| 14:30.43 | tudor2 | ah. the year of the linux desktop. |
| 14:31.17 | fsmithred | be back in a few minutes |
| 14:31.25 | tudor2 | i'm special. |
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| 14:41.50 | tudor2 | the default sources.list has no non-free thus there are no firmware for the wifi device |
| 14:42.19 | KatolaZ | tudor2: in the install cds you have the firmware |
| 14:42.22 | KatolaZ | also the non-free ones |
| 14:42.53 | gendolf_serii | hello, where can i test next release with 4.x kernel for ARM SoC ? |
| 14:43.07 | tudor2 | KatolaZ: but no (trivial) option to enable them |
| 14:43.32 | KatolaZ | tudor2: they are already enabled, afaict |
| 14:44.22 | tudor2 | KatolaZ: sorry, but no - fresh install. added the firmware-iwlwifi package and i have wlan0 now. |
| 14:44.44 | KatolaZ | so you got it :) |
| 14:45.30 | tudor2 | of course. As soon as i get through the jungle of bootmanagers i'm pretty comfortable on linux systems :) |
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| 14:46.00 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 14:49.25 | tudor2 | fsmithred: thanks for the suggestion. If you have a List Of Hardware On Which Devuan Is Running you can add the wonder and graceful Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon 4th gen with the caveat ot configure it with secure boot off, uefi boot only, no CSM. |
| 14:49.49 | fsmithred | great, thanks. |
| 14:50.21 | tudor2 | the last task is to steal this one for myself. But in this you cannot help, unfortunately. |
| 14:50.32 | fsmithred | how old is this thinkpad? |
| 14:50.40 | tudor2 | last year i think |
| 14:50.48 | fsmithred | ok, close enough |
| 14:51.04 | tudor2 | spring last year |
| 14:53.08 | tudor2 | 5th gen just got louder |
| 14:56.39 | fsmithred | colors are brighter in linux, too |
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| 17:09.37 | Guest638 | Is star package the same as staruml? Trying to install mondo... |
| 17:12.58 | golinux | <l41f3n> When I choose ascii/testing version and when all of packages are installed |
| 17:12.59 | golinux | <l41f3n> I can see still "jessie" in /etc/devuan_version file |
| 17:13.19 | golinux | This issue has been solved. |
| 17:14.17 | l41f3n | when ? |
| 17:14.21 | l41f3n | today ? |
| 17:14.57 | l41f3n | golinux --^ |
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| 17:34.35 | fsmithred | l41f3n, the new version of base-files is in ascii-proposed |
| 17:35.17 | fsmithred | if you wait, it will move down to regular repos and you'll get it on next update/upgrade. If you can't wait, add ascii-proposed and install it from there. |
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| 18:02.28 | golinux | l41f3n: Sorry. Went off for b'fast. |
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| 18:54.05 | saptech | hello all |
| 18:55.23 | saptech | Sunday after not using devuan (stable) for about a month, I upgraded and once I rebooted, I'm brought to a busybox prompt, I think that's it |
| 18:56.53 | saptech | during booting, at the Begin Running /scripts/local-block...done. It show about 15 or so of these and then message, 'Gave up waiting for root device, appears. This when I drop to the prompt |
| 18:56.54 | golinux | No that's not it. How did you upgrade, sources.list, hardware ets. |
| 18:57.15 | saptech | I just ran the apt-get upgrade cmd |
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| 18:58.00 | saptech | it seems it can't find the root device, '/dev/sda8' |
| 18:58.47 | saptech | I didn't do anything different other then ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 18:58.55 | saptech | *run |
| 19:00.20 | saptech | Also it show this message, 'modprobe: module ehci-orion not found in modules.dep' |
| 19:00.37 | fsmithred | yeah, it always says that. Don't go down that rabbit hole. |
| 19:00.49 | fsmithred | you probably need to rebuild initrd |
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| 19:01.53 | saptech | I'll try it. I will do it in chroot environment? |
| 19:02.35 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 19:02.54 | saptech | '/dev/sda8' does exist and I can see the files |
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| 19:03.10 | fsmithred | were we talking about this yeserday or the day before? |
| 19:03.36 | saptech | yes it was yesterday |
| 19:03.52 | fsmithred | ok. Thought it sounded familiar. |
| 19:06.40 | fsmithred | did you try anything since then? |
| 19:08.20 | saptech | no I haven't |
| 19:08.43 | saptech | is this the command to use, update-initramfs? |
| 19:08.55 | fsmithred | yes |
| 19:09.35 | fsmithred | you'll need to bind-mount /sys, /proc, /dev and maybe /dev/pts to their respective points in the mounted fs |
| 19:09.55 | saptech | ok, thanks |
| 19:09.59 | fsmithred | update-initramfs -u -k <kernel-version> |
| 19:10.02 | saptech | I'm writing this down |
| 19:10.04 | fsmithred | I think that's right |
| 19:10.34 | saptech | gotcha |
| 19:10.35 | fsmithred | yeah, kernel version (not path, not full name, just the numbers) |
| 19:11.12 | saptech | ok |
| 19:11.13 | fsmithred | brb |
| 19:11.19 | saptech | me too |
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| 19:24.40 | saptech | it looks like the rebuilding of initrd went okay, it is larger then the original one |
| 19:25.48 | fsmithred | ok, that might be good |
| 19:26.59 | saptech | do I reboot at this point? I'm not using devuan grub bootloader, I'm using Mageia's bootloader |
| 19:27.35 | fsmithred | yes, reboot |
| 19:27.35 | saptech | well I will umount those mounted mountpoints |
| 19:27.46 | saptech | ok, thanks again |
| 19:27.51 | fsmithred | you might need to run update-grub |
| 19:27.57 | fsmithred | in mageia |
| 19:28.01 | saptech | ok |
| 19:28.09 | fsmithred | that would be the grub that's looking for the partition |
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| 19:42.29 | jord_ | hey champs |
| 19:42.55 | jord_ | just wondering, is there an devuan image for lxc/lxd? If not, I'd be happy to create one |
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| 19:47.43 | fsmithred | jord_, I don't know of one, but I know there have been requests for one. |
| 19:47.47 | saptech | well it didn't work. after rebooting, I get the same error messages, it can't find the hdd device |
| 19:48.02 | fsmithred | did you update-grub in mageia? |
| 19:48.25 | saptech | yes, I did and it picked up devuan |
| 19:48.31 | jord_ | fsmithred, I'll create one if it's not too hard |
| 19:48.46 | fsmithred | I have no idea, jord_ |
| 19:49.19 | jord_ | I have a few programs on Gentoo I can only get from debs (can't be bothered with ebuilds) and lxd seems like the way to go :) |
| 19:49.29 | fsmithred | saptech, maybe go into chroot and do update/upgrade again |
| 19:49.30 | jord_ | I'll try anyways, thanks fsmithred! |
| 19:49.35 | fsmithred | and check your sources.list first |
| 19:49.47 | fsmithred | post it somewhere and I'll look at it |
| 19:50.03 | fsmithred | great jord_, let us know how it goes |
| 19:50.13 | jord_ | aye |
| 19:50.53 | saptech | fsmithred, ok I'll do that and get back. I need to make a few runs and be back about an hour |
| 19:51.00 | fsmithred | ok |
| 19:51.09 | saptech | thanks |
| 19:51.14 | fsmithred | yw |
| 19:51.53 | saptech | I have a system backup but it's dated in July |
| 19:52.17 | fsmithred | this is probably recoverable |
| 19:52.53 | jord_ | fsmithred, it seems pretty simple |
| 19:53.09 | fsmithred | go for it. |
| 19:53.17 | fsmithred | jord_, |
| 19:53.18 | saptech | bbl |
| 19:53.24 | jord_ | make a fs with debootstrap, minor config + tarball it |
| 19:53.28 | jord_ | ;) |
| 19:53.35 | fsmithred | no shit? |
| 19:53.38 | jord_ | aye |
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| 19:54.16 | jord_ | no mierda |
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| 20:07.50 | l41f3n | fsmithred and golinux : perfect :) |
| 20:07.55 | l41f3n | thank you |
| 20:08.19 | fsmithred | :) |
| 20:09.01 | timeless | sighs |
| 20:09.25 | timeless | my messy pv/lvm/raid0 system didn't boot properly after an update |
| 20:09.39 | timeless | isn't sure if grub failed to update or what |
| 20:11.00 | timeless | (using grml) i'd like to figure out which partitions were /boot and check them first and then try to figure out what the status of the PV mess is https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BvghsLl2/ |
| 20:15.56 | timeless | (/dev/sda1 works as /mnt/boot) |
| 20:17.55 | golinux | jord_: There are lxc images but there was an issue I think with outdated keyring |
| 20:18.01 | jord_ | hmm |
| 20:18.24 | jord_ | I'm just installing devuan via qemu and was going to try creating an image from inside that |
| 20:18.32 | jord_ | shouldn't be too hard :) |
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| 20:19.52 | golinux | I'd need to search the botbot logs on this channel and dng a devuan-dev and d1g forum. Since I'm ready for lunch, I'll leave that to you. I think that Greg Olsen made them. |
| 20:20.11 | jord_ | thanks :) |
| 20:20.22 | golinux | Also look on g.d.o |
| 20:20.38 | golinux | There was discussion in just the last few days. |
| 20:20.52 | golinux | But they were created quite a while ago. |
| 20:23.10 | DPA | But if you use the one from him from the git repo, make sure to use the dev-main branch, the master branch doesn't have the keyring fix yet. |
| 20:27.24 | DPA | The repo was here: https://git.devuan.org/gregolsen/lxc-devuan |
| 20:27.35 | jord_ | cool beans, thanks :) |
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| 20:37.48 | timeless | anyone here comfortable w/ recovering md0/pv/lvm's? |
| 20:37.52 | timeless | could use a hand |
| 20:38.04 | timeless | really needs to replace this computer |
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| 20:53.35 | tudor2 | timeless: you can ask but i cant guarantee nothing |
| 20:54.29 | timeless | so, i have grml rebuilding one of the mdXXX volumes (5+mins remaining) |
| 20:55.06 | timeless | i think this system started as a tiny raid1 pair of disks in a pv in an lv, and then at some point the drives were cloned to bigger disks and additional partitions were added as pairs |
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| 21:04.23 | timeless | Here's what grml thinks my system looks like for now https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/emJoAQSZ/ |
| 21:04.40 | timeless | yay, pvdisplay actually gave me smoething |
| 21:04.55 | timeless | and lvdisplay did too |
| 21:05.23 | saptech | fsmithred, I'm back and I apt-get update & upgrade. only thing it upgraded was firefox esr |
| 21:05.41 | timeless | tudor2: ok, so, i guess the first question is what should i do about `multipath` |
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| 21:07.05 | timeless | i /think/ it means that /dev/sdg has two names (/dev/sdg, /dev/mapper/WDC_WD2000F9YZ-09N20L1_WD-WMC5C0DAJWE2 ??) and the various things are all afraid of being confused by multiple ways to identify the same object |
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| 21:07.54 | timeless | once i have the system such that i can mount the root file system, would i want to enable multipath and tell something to favor the mapper name? would that get me past the pvdisplay/lvdisplay warnings? |
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| 21:12.35 | Lydia_K | What multipathing are you using? |
| 21:12.39 | Lydia_K | And what's your backend array here? |
| 21:12.50 | timeless | i'm not particularly trying to use anything |
| 21:13.00 | timeless | i just have a computer w/ a bunch of sata drives of various age |
| 21:13.26 | timeless | i don't even know if that qualifies as multipath |
| 21:13.37 | Lydia_K | that's totally not multipath |
| 21:13.45 | Lydia_K | how do you have an mpath device without multipathing? |
| 21:13.48 | timeless | (i can't tell if the messages about multipath are just the tools not being smart about things and giving misleading errors) |
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| 21:14.02 | timeless | shrugs |
| 21:14.14 | Lydia_K | O.o |
| 21:14.18 | Lydia_K | I've never seen such a thing. |
| 21:14.29 | Lydia_K | Ummm.. interesting! |
| 21:14.32 | timeless | i can imagine what multipath /should be/ and i can't imagine why this computer should be accused of having it |
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| 21:15.01 | Lydia_K | pulls ripcord on parachute |
| 21:15.11 | timeless | too late, peach already crashed :) |
| 21:15.15 | Lydia_K | LOL |
| 21:15.55 | timeless | (this system really needs to be rebuilt, it's ancient, and has lots of warts -- including a 32bit kernel) |
| 21:16.06 | Lydia_K | Um, huh, that is a really interesting thing you have happening there. |
| 21:16.07 | Lydia_K | Oh wow |
| 21:16.09 | Lydia_K | Yeah |
| 21:16.24 | timeless | doesn't want to spend the time now doing that rebuild |
| 21:16.48 | saptech | I'm in devuan chroot environment and looking at '/etc/fstab', I do not see anything listed for devuan's partition (/dev/sda8). Shouldn't it be listed? |
| 21:17.23 | timeless | i tend to have to write the fstab i want in chroots... |
| 21:17.49 | timeless | (it depends on what you're trying to do w/ your chroot) |
| 21:18.04 | saptech | It looks like there is no entry for devuan's partition |
| 21:18.20 | saptech | even if I'm not in chroot |
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| 21:18.39 | Lydia_K | timeless: what's "multipath -ll" show you? |
| 21:19.12 | timeless | lydia_k: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/sYTWpsxH/ |
| 21:19.29 | timeless | pretty much what i expected based on what i saw... |
| 21:19.44 | Lydia_K | fascinating! |
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| 21:20.12 | Lydia_K | I totally need to spin up a vm and try to get multipathing to think a single pathed device is multipathed |
| 21:20.14 | timeless | anyway, i think i'm going to back up /mnt/boot{,2} and then figure out what i want in there |
| 21:20.26 | Lydia_K | I'm not sure how to do that. |
| 21:20.57 | Lydia_K | I wish I could give you more advice, I've done a lot of SAN/multipathing work over the years, but I've never seen what you have going on, I wouldn't have thought it was possible. |
| 21:21.02 | unixman | Lydia_K, it probably involves animal sacrifice. ;) |
| 21:21.14 | timeless | unixman: we only deal in tree fruit here |
| 21:21.50 | Lydia_K | LOL |
| 21:21.52 | unixman | So, the gods were not satisfied with your offering of fruit it seems. ;) |
| 21:22.11 | timeless | touche |
| 21:23.15 | timeless | well ... i have lots of peaches... and a mango... https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BJd3oiLg/ |
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| 21:24.25 | timeless | (the mango is especially cute... -- that is one of very few remnants from another computer that was retired/partially canibalized) |
| 21:24.45 | Lydia_K | Cude name for a box :) |
| 21:24.52 | Lydia_K | er, Cute |
| 21:24.54 | Lydia_K | typo |
| 21:24.58 | timeless | s/partially canibalized/used to fertilize the soil of other trees/ |
| 21:25.06 | timeless | (i mistyped cannibalized too) |
| 21:25.20 | timeless | these aren't my names, i inherited all of it |
| 21:26.27 | Lydia_K | Still, I like them. |
| 21:26.31 | unixman | prefers descriptive hostnames for servers |
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| 21:27.04 | timeless | i'm on the fence, for our internal services i've tended to follow the trend (adding additional fruits, trying to match fruits to purposes) |
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| 21:27.17 | timeless | for our other stuff, i name by task |
| 21:27.55 | unixman | Like "osssadcspeedtestsvr-1" for example. :) |
| 21:27.58 | timeless | i think half the argument against naming by task is that a box tends to grow additional tasks, and then eventually lose its original task, leaving you w/ a box labeled `ftp` which only runs `apache` (and not ftp) |
| 21:28.31 | timeless | thankfully doesn't have that specific box instance |
| 21:28.50 | Lydia_K | It's been so long since I lived in the land of physicals, outside of special purpose machines like my HPC cluster. |
| 21:29.01 | timeless | i'm trying to move away from it |
| 21:29.06 | timeless | it sucks |
| 21:29.22 | timeless | hardware failures, lack of reliability for reboots <- both apply here |
| 21:29.23 | unixman | Lydia_K, heh, we use similar naming for virtuals, but add "vm" at the end. :D |
| 21:29.56 | mchasard | is there a way to based it to stretch ? |
| 21:29.59 | unixman | So "osssadcspeedtestsvr-1" would become "osssadcspeedtestsvrvm-1". |
| 21:30.05 | Lydia_K | LOL |
| 21:30.10 | Lydia_K | that's how everyone starts. |
| 21:30.35 | Lydia_K | Then you drop the vm postfix cause basically everything is a vm anyway, easier to add a ph to the rare physicals. |
| 21:31.19 | saptech | timeless, would you paste your devuan's section from fstab here? just the devuan's line |
| 21:31.44 | saptech | I don't know how to add it in my fstab |
| 21:32.00 | timeless | ponders |
| 21:32.11 | Lydia_K | can you pastbin your fstab spatech? |
| 21:32.25 | saptech | yes' |
| 21:32.26 | unixman | Well, our speedtest servers will never be virtual. They have to live on the edge in real hardware. At least the current spec requires that. The future may be different. |
| 21:32.36 | Lydia_K | Awesome. |
| 21:32.45 | timeless | this is my chroot https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uFyENMlB/ |
| 21:32.54 | Lydia_K | Same as my research cluster, servers that are at 100% all the time do not make good virtuals. |
| 21:33.01 | unixman | Yup. |
| 21:33.32 | Lydia_K | Ohh, I see. Well, for a chroot you don't need an fstab cause you are not mounting any filesystems, now if you are chroot'd into a system you are trying to fix that's different. |
| 21:33.36 | timeless | saptech: it isn't very helpful because it isn't meant to be |
| 21:33.47 | Lydia_K | Oh, that was yours timeless |
| 21:33.51 | timeless | that's from a system whose job was to wipe the main system |
| 21:34.03 | timeless | (totally unrelated to the problem i'm looking at now) |
| 21:34.13 | timeless | but, it's the only chroot i have handy :) |
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| 21:34.21 | saptech | Lydia_K, here's mine |
| 21:34.24 | saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/ee0bca765250 |
| 21:34.36 | timeless | this computer is a dead computer walking https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/0Wi6LVi6/ |
| 21:34.48 | saptech | I'm not seeing an entry for devuan (/dev/sda8) |
| 21:35.01 | timeless | This is what the non chroot system has to say... https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4dNHzFGE/ |
| 21:35.39 | Lydia_K | saptech: what's your disk partitioning layout look like? |
| 21:35.54 | timeless | specfically, `lsblk` is handy |
| 21:35.58 | Lydia_K | /dev/sda1 -> boot, /dev/sda2 -> /, etc |
| 21:36.24 | VanClone | do people still find value in separating /var /usr and others anymore? |
| 21:36.32 | fsmithred | and check that the uuid is right |
| 21:36.32 | Lydia_K | I do. |
| 21:36.50 | Lydia_K | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.57 | Lydia_K | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.05 | Lydia_K | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.06 | fsmithred | some using ssd like to keep /var separate (on a spinning disk) |
| 21:37.17 | Lydia_K | At least, on servers. On desktops I don't care. |
| 21:37.49 | saptech | devuan is on '/dev/sda8'... https://bpaste.net/show/600657e0ab65 |
| 21:38.23 | timeless | ooh! i can get something like fstab from this ghost of a system |
| 21:38.30 | fsmithred | and check the uuids in mageia's grub.cfg |
| 21:38.44 | fsmithred | saptech, your root partition is in fstab |
| 21:38.47 | saptech | that is from mageia |
| 21:39.09 | unixman | I usually put /usr, /var, /tmp, and /home in their own partitions, even on "desktop". |
| 21:39.09 | saptech | fsmithred, I do not see one for devuan in fstab |
| 21:39.20 | fsmithred | what's sda8? |
| 21:39.25 | saptech | in devuan's fstab |
| 21:39.25 | fsmithred | isn't that devuan? |
| 21:39.36 | fsmithred | which fstab did you post? |
| 21:39.44 | saptech | devuan |
| 21:39.53 | fsmithred | sda8 is listed by its uuid |
| 21:40.11 | saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/ee0bca765250 |
| 21:40.13 | fsmithred | oh, but it's commented out |
| 21:40.18 | fsmithred | that won't work |
| 21:40.19 | saptech | that's devuans fstab |
| 21:40.27 | saptech | there is no entry for it |
| 21:40.41 | timeless | saptech: the old fashioned /dev/sd?? stuff is bad practice |
| 21:40.55 | Lydia_K | so what's on /dev/sda3, sda5, and sda6 ? |
| 21:40.59 | timeless | because controls can randomly decide who comes first and how to label things |
| 21:41.02 | fsmithred | # UUID=23d8e5a9-c60d-4b6e-9a17-bf96f21ccba0 / ext4 defaults,noatime 0 1 |
| 21:41.08 | timeless | so the modern form is to use UUID= instread |
| 21:41.09 | fsmithred | uncomment that line |
| 21:41.10 | timeless | -r |
| 21:41.15 | Lydia_K | If all of devuan is on sda8 and swap is sda7 then just: |
| 21:41.16 | Lydia_K | /dev/sda8 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 21:41.16 | Lydia_K | /dev/sda7 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 21:41.36 | saptech | fsmithred, ok I thought it show as swapfile |
| 21:41.45 | Lydia_K | UUIDs are more portable for future proofing |
| 21:41.53 | Lydia_K | but just as a basic example. |
| 21:42.01 | fsmithred | no, the swapfile lines are simple human-readable lines |
| 21:43.43 | saptech | ok, I got myself confuse with it. I saw swapfile listed but I use swap partition |
| 21:44.12 | saptech | brb |
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| 22:00.16 | saptech | fsmithred, it still say can't find devuan's partition |
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| 22:03.38 | Lydia_K | pastbin your current fstab please? |
| 22:06.30 | saptech | Lydia_K, this is devuan's fstab. I uncommented it's partition |
| 22:06.35 | saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/ee0bca765250 |
| 22:08.39 | Lydia_K | saptech: https://bpaste.net/show/e2ee3a653e45 |
| 22:09.08 | saptech | yes |
| 22:10.18 | saptech | every since I upgrade on Sunday, I've had this issue, after booting, it will not find devuan which is on /dev/sda8 |
| 22:11.45 | Lydia_K | Forget the UUID and just specify /dev/sda8, see if that works |
| 22:12.01 | Lydia_K | Are you sure /dev/sda8 is the correct partition? |
| 22:13.29 | saptech | yes it is |
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| 22:14.19 | fsmithred | and what does grub.cfg look for? |
| 22:15.48 | saptech | fsmithred, I haven't looked at it yet |
| 22:16.59 | fsmithred | check that the uuids in grub.cfg are correct |
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| 22:20.00 | saptech | where is grub.cfg location? |
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| 22:20.43 | fsmithred | it's /boot/grub/grub.cfg on whatever partition has mageia |
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| 22:21.18 | tudor2 | timeless: sorry, was caught without internets for a while |
| 22:21.21 | fsmithred | actually, if you ran update-grub in mageia after this problem happened, grub.cfg should be correct |
| 22:21.25 | timeless | tudor2: that's ok |
| 22:21.27 | saptech | right, I was looking in wrong one |
| 22:22.00 | timeless | tudor2: i'm waiting for this raid1 to rebuild (and the time estimate is really awful) https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bO8wQHwl/ |
| 22:22.18 | timeless | tudor2: eventually i need to figure out what steps to take to give this system a chance to properly boot |
| 22:22.46 | timeless | problem is: i'm not sure what's "wrong" ... there are 2 "/boot" volumes, they were supposed to be managed by raid1, but apparently did not. |
| 22:25.14 | timeless | i have one in /mnt/boot and the other in /mnt/boot2 (raid1) -- the one that is mounted as /mnt/boot was apparently not updated by my last os update (a couple of hours ago) |
| 22:25.34 | Lydia_K | timeless: See if one partition has files with newer timestamps, if so, that's the "real" boot partition. |
| 22:25.49 | timeless | i'm wondering if just dd'ing from /mnt/boot2 to /mnt/boot would give things a better chance of starting |
| 22:26.02 | timeless | yeah /mnt/boot2 (raid1) has newer files |
| 22:26.16 | saptech | here is devauan's entry in grub.cfg |
| 22:26.18 | timeless | here https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qpj2SzwL/ |
| 22:26.20 | saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/6b662e7fba5a |
| 22:26.36 | saptech | * |
| 22:26.49 | saptech | *devuan |
| 22:27.35 | timeless | Lydia_K: assuming that dd from boot2 to boot gives me a boot that boots, i'd also like to fix it so that it actually tries to treat them as raid1 instead of as two distinct partitions |
| 22:28.08 | tudor2 | timeless: no, dding would break the md signatures at the end of the disk |
| 22:28.27 | tudor2 | timeless: mdadm has some --scan or similar which checks if those partitins were an mdadm array in the past |
| 22:32.12 | tudor2 | timeless: mdadm --examine /dev/something |
| 22:34.01 | tudor2 | timeless: one proper way to recover from a split brain raid1 is to choose the fresher one (has a larger Events number in the examine output), use mdadm --assemble with one disk and add the older one |
| 22:34.22 | tudor2 | of course if this is all moot if there are other huncutság in the system |
| 22:34.40 | tudor2 | oops sorry for the leaking language |
| 22:35.53 | timeless | hungarian? |
| 22:35.54 | tudor2 | saptech: 23d8e5a9-c60d-4b6e-9a17-bf96f21ccba0 is the uid of your partitio nand based on the grub entry it's sda8 |
| 22:35.57 | tudor2 | timeless: yes |
| 22:36.14 | timeless | here's a slightly more detailed lsblk https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gBNmJAMc/ |
| 22:36.31 | saptech | tudor2, correct |
| 22:36.48 | timeless | you can see that the uuid of /mnt/boot and /mnt/boot2 are the same... |
| 22:37.24 | timeless | but i think the problem is that there's a missing piece |
| 22:37.32 | fsmithred | saptech, is this uefi? |
| 22:37.39 | saptech | no |
| 22:37.48 | tudor2 | timeless: sdc1 is also called md125? |
| 22:38.19 | timeless | tudor2: the high numbered md things are the rescue stick's choice (more or less) |
| 22:38.26 | timeless | the original md numbers are something on the range 1..30 |
| 22:38.43 | fsmithred | and why does your initrd have a weird name? |
| 22:39.00 | tudor2 | timeless: can you umount the mnt/boots and mount /dev/md125 ? |
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| 22:39.23 | timeless | tudor2: they're both mounted, one as /mnt/boot the other as /mnt/boot2 (see the mountpoint column) |
| 22:39.41 | saptech | fsmithred, talking about this, "initrd /initrd_devuan_micro.img"? I thought it looked weired |
| 22:39.55 | tudor2 | timeless: but this mdstat output shouts history. |
| 22:39.58 | saptech | I have no clue why or how it included |
| 22:40.04 | fsmithred | is sda8 mounted right now? |
| 22:40.16 | saptech | yes and I've chrooted into it |
| 22:40.21 | fsmithred | ls -l / |
| 22:40.38 | timeless | tudor2: here's an unannotated mdstat https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/C4fajn5y/ |
| 22:40.42 | fsmithred | look at where /vmlinuz and /initrd.img (or whatever) are pointing to |
| 22:44.00 | fsmithred | I have to go out. Will be back in about an hour. |
| 22:44.01 | saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/d4cda40c6fdb |
| 22:44.08 | saptech | for ls -l / |
| 22:44.12 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:44.13 | tudor2 | timeless: by the time it finishes i will be asleep, but you could try a reboot by booting from sdc. |
| 22:44.22 | debdog | without reading the backlog, yes, I think there is a bug. initrd.img 's target starts with a /, making it a absolute path |
| 22:44.32 | timeless | tudor2: i think the trick is figuring out which disk that is |
| 22:44.50 | debdog | at least it bugged me several times the past few years |
| 22:44.54 | timeless | (with 6 to choose from, my odds aren't great) |
| 22:45.19 | saptech | isn't there a command to show when you've installed a distro? |
| 22:45.24 | fsmithred | saptech, reboot, at boot menu select devuan, press "e", edit the initrd line |
| 22:45.28 | saptech | or is it cat something |
| 22:45.41 | fsmithred | change it to initrd /initrd.img |
| 22:46.02 | saptech | ok |
| 22:46.03 | fsmithred | initrd /initrd.img |
| 22:46.40 | fsmithred | gotta go. bbl. |
| 22:47.37 | saptech | ok, thnx |
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| 22:50.11 | nepugia | i usually try to boot manually from grub and edit the entry accordingly |
| 22:53.09 | tudor2 | timeless: do you have physical access? hdparm/smartctl can tell you the serial number, and with a little luck the cocroaches left the sticker on the disk |
| 22:53.53 | tudor2 | timeless: also as i see frm the mdadm output you dont have more than a dozen attempts until you find it. |
| 22:54.00 | tudor2 | twenty, at most. |
| 22:55.07 | timeless | there are only 6 physical disks |
| 22:55.32 | timeless | and yes i have physical access, i think i once tried to use the serials, from memory they were annoying |
| 22:57.00 | timeless | the biggest problem is that with the exception of sdb, all of the disks are WDCs |
| 22:57.51 | timeless | i guess knowing that, i can limit my guessing to 5 disks, and in theory rule out the disk it defaults to, so 4 disks... |
| 22:58.04 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.38 | timeless | hmm, i think it's running at about 50% of the estimate, so that means it's about 4hrs and change away from doing anything |
| 22:58.54 | timeless | ~4 1/2 |
| 23:00.28 | timeless | anyway, does it seem likely that my problem was that while the system had the raid1 (sdc1) version mounted, the system was booting from the other one, and the kernel it was looking for was probably deleted by the update? |
| 23:00.36 | timeless | all i got was a blinking cursor |
| 23:01.17 | timeless | i'm wondering if it would make sense to just copy the data from the raid1/sdc1 version to the other and reboot (once it finishes) |
| 23:01.23 | tudor2 | something likke this. another option is that the raid1 boot was never properly set up and you had an MBR on only one of the disks |
| 23:03.52 | tudor2 | timeless: was it discussed earlier what was in your grub/lilo config? |
| 23:04.07 | timeless | it's grub |
| 23:04.34 | timeless | i hadn't gotten the raid thing happy enough to try mounting the root file system, i can dump what's in the /boot/ flavors |
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