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| 01:07.34 | bill-auger | werd |
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| 01:13.05 | bill-auger | there is an unfortunate trend these days (lets call it P.C. -ng) where people are judging technology based on social/moral/emotional concerns - actively and proudly rejecting anything out of hand regardless of it's technical virtues simply as a political protest against the people associated with the project |
| 01:14.32 | bill-auger | and yes it often results in a FUD campaign aimed to destroy the project and discredit it's users - childish indeed |
| 01:16.02 | Xenguy | Example? |
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| 01:18.47 | bill-auger | i.e. i like to say that a mature adult should be able to work side-by-side with someone they despise on a personal level - and as long as the conversation remains professional then something technically excellent can be produced that could benefit anyone regardless of their personal feelings toward the people who made it |
| 01:21.04 | Xenguy | Sure, ideally |
| 01:21.16 | Xenguy | Professional approach, as you say |
| 01:23.32 | blinkdog | bill-auger: I think human beings have judged technology on social/moral/emotional concerns since the invention of fire and the wheel. |
| 01:33.12 | bill-auger | yes perhaps - but i think we can rise above that now that we have some expertise and mastery of these forces of nature rather than strictly subjects to them |
| 01:34.23 | bill-auger | examples: stem cell research, legaizing grass, and pretty much anything that crosses the path of an sjw |
| 01:36.44 | blinkdog | As an example, Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions even in some cases where refusal means death. Would I make that same choice? Heck no, hang as many bags of blood as it takes to keep me going! But, I respect everybody's right to select their own criteria for their choices. |
| 01:39.44 | bill-auger | yes but should they be able to take that option away from you? because it make them uncomfortable - thats the problem - if only people could keep their personal opinions separated from technical virtues then that could never happen |
| 01:41.11 | blinkdog | hmmm, if you want to keep talking about this, we should probably go to #debianfork |
| 01:42.15 | bill-auger | lol no - to me "i am getting off-topic" implies "i should get back to work" |
| 01:43.17 | blinkdog | no disrespect to the topic, I do think it's worth discussing, it's just it's not Devuan enough for #devuan :-) |
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| 02:45.27 | nacelle | discuss the same topic but put systemd into the mix, then its devuan enough ;-) |
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| 03:19.10 | Xenguy | +1 |
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| 03:29.09 | golinux | nacelle: No. #debianfork is for systemd chat. |
| 03:44.59 | nacelle | see? systemd screws up even my irc |
| 03:45.14 | nacelle | I was perfectly fine before it came along ;-) |
| 03:47.56 | chillfan | If only there was a solution to systemd :) |
| 03:50.19 | chillfan | Though we get a few support style questions in here, maybe #devuan is the more intuitive channel to go for |
| 03:55.02 | golinux | Huh? |
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| 04:36.36 | Xenguy | Well systemd is a problem, for some, so why not discuss? Get the viewpoints out there. Then it's just a question of where : -) |
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| 05:12.57 | golinux | Xenguy: This is not the channel to discuss systemd unless it is mucking up a particular package. 'Views", philosophy and whining belongs on #debianfork |
| 05:13.21 | golinux | -s |
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| 06:12.49 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 14:25.12 | telmich | moin moin |
| 14:25.43 | nepugia | good day |
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| 15:59.14 | d0g | hi guys |
| 16:00.17 | g4570n | hi |
| 16:00.53 | d0g | anyone yet made full disk encription available ? |
| 16:02.00 | d0g | Ive been lazy last couple months , I made a bootable USB , fully encrypted , but it was pain in the ass and I forgot to take notes |
| 16:02.29 | d0g | we spoke about it , maybe someone smarter finished tutorial on it ? |
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| 16:04.45 | DusXMT | Doesn't the installer provide the option to install on an encrypted partition as an option? Of course, that leaves an unencrypted bootable partition |
| 16:04.48 | n4dir | if you get in touch with fsmithred: there was a small how-to do cryptsetup encryption without using lvm at the refracta.forum (now down) |
| 16:05.06 | d0g | I made lvm |
| 16:05.06 | n4dir | if you do use lvm, it is just click-click, iirc |
| 16:05.17 | d0g | and encrypted boot |
| 16:05.28 | d0g | so , full disk encryption |
| 16:05.48 | n4dir | i never heard that encrypting /boot too is possible |
| 16:05.54 | d0g | it is |
| 16:06.00 | DusXMT | As long as the bootloader supports it |
| 16:06.22 | d0g | and since I am using lvm I can easilly move my installation on bigger disk |
| 16:06.27 | n4dir | not sure what might be the point to do it ... |
| 16:06.49 | DusXMT | n4dir: perhaps so one couldn't alter your initrd and eg. put a keylogger into it? |
| 16:07.13 | d0g | point is to be fully sure you wont be compromised |
| 16:07.30 | d0g | I carry my OS on a stick |
| 16:08.16 | d0g | so when I cross borders , theres no machines they might snoop |
| 16:08.25 | DusXMT | doesn't trust flash enough to put an OS I expect to last years onto a flash drive |
| 16:08.36 | DusXMT | (from a reliability stand-point) |
| 16:08.47 | d0g | dus , I regulary do backups |
| 16:09.14 | d0g | a little dd here and there wont kill you |
| 16:09.50 | d0g | I learned data-retention policies the hard hard way |
| 16:10.14 | DusXMT | So do most people who work with computers |
| 16:10.44 | d0g | the guy who pressed format c: back in 99 , still works for me tho XD |
| 16:11.10 | d0g | wait , I just remebered that |
| 16:11.37 | d0g | mothrerf*** |
| 16:12.05 | d0g | he just asked for money , I might remind him about the past |
| 16:12.06 | DusXMT | Heh, reminds me when I once accidentally wiped the master boot record on a machine; I intended to wipe the mbr of a usb drive (after having burned a distro hybrid ISO onto it, and wanted to restore it); only after a reboot did I notice that I did something wrong :) |
| 16:12.35 | d0g | learn by mistake , favorite kinda learning |
| 16:13.08 | d0g | there used to be suicide linux for that kind of learners |
| 16:13.28 | DusXMT | that would kill itself on each syntax error iirc? |
| 16:13.36 | d0g | yup |
| 16:13.43 | DusXMT | completely pointless, imho |
| 16:14.00 | d0g | wrong step and rm -rf * |
| 16:14.08 | d0g | agreed |
| 16:14.50 | d0g | anyways , anyone wants to team up on that full disk encryption thing ? |
| 16:15.06 | d0g | and why did refracta site go down _ |
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| 16:16.02 | n4dir | searching the web i found this how-to, but ain't got the focus to read it right now: http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/ |
| 16:17.05 | d0g | Its a good one |
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| 16:17.34 | d0g | theres dificulties tho with devuan installation |
| 16:18.08 | d0g | when U follow that , you get some rough edges , which I circumvented |
| 16:18.35 | d0g | I am not techincally adept enough to ellaborate |
| 16:19.02 | d0g | its been more than a year since I managed it |
| 16:19.15 | furrywolf | full disk encryption... for people who get off being on the receiving end of a rubber hose. |
| 16:19.29 | d0g | jikes |
| 16:19.52 | d0g | that sounds ... well , jikes XD |
| 16:20.55 | furrywolf | ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis for anyone who doesn't get the joke) |
| 16:21.09 | d0g | U one of those (nothing to hide people) |
| 16:21.45 | nepugia | i use full disk encryption, but i wouldnt trust linux to manage that ;) |
| 16:22.27 | d0g | oh |
| 16:22.33 | d0g | aint that great |
| 16:22.48 | d0g | what would u use |
| 16:23.35 | d0g | mac ftw |
| 16:23.55 | fsmithred | d0g, I will be back in 10 minutes and can answer some of your questions. (but probably not the most important ones.) |
| 16:24.10 | d0g | the only os where u need to be root to log in without password XD |
| 16:24.17 | d0g | hey fsmithred |
| 16:24.29 | d0g | Ill wait for zou eagerly |
| 16:24.40 | DusXMT | d0g: That used to be Windows too, with XP and earlier |
| 16:24.42 | nepugia | freebsd of course ;) /me hides |
| 16:24.54 | DusXMT | nepugia: No need to hide, the BSDs are great :) |
| 16:25.00 | fugitive | better openbsd :) |
| 16:25.20 | d0g | mac os is bsd |
| 16:25.31 | nepugia | i was hiding from the openbsd advocates :p |
| 16:25.42 | nepugia | and bam there is one over there |
| 16:25.44 | nepugia | :D |
| 16:25.45 | fugitive | d0g: yes |
| 16:25.59 | DusXMT | But the kernel's more similar to Mach than of the BSDs |
| 16:26.11 | DusXMT | (because it's based on Mach :) |
| 16:26.19 | d0g | I remeber thinking i was g0d when I discovered that on XP |
| 16:26.40 | fugitive | hah |
| 16:26.44 | d0g | you has a passwd |
| 16:26.58 | d0g | ctrl+alt+del |
| 16:27.04 | d0g | oops |
| 16:27.13 | d0g | no password , so sad XD |
| 16:27.17 | fugitive | in fact - i found that bsd's are quite simpler then linux/gnu, mean management |
| 16:27.27 | d0g | but apple ftw |
| 16:27.44 | DusXMT | Apple obsoletes their hardware way too fast nowadays |
| 16:27.54 | nepugia | opensource.apple.com |
| 16:27.56 | d0g | they effed up epically three times in a month |
| 16:28.26 | d0g | first displaying your password as a hint |
| 16:28.35 | DusXMT | You can still get reasonably good machines from them by installing a OS diffferent from macOS onto the machines, but if you want to use macOS only, you're going to need to upgrade often to get the newest versions of stuffs |
| 16:28.40 | nepugia | apple hardware is too expensive imo, people tell me to go hackintosh, but that just looses the one advantage apple has, one vendor for hw and software |
| 16:28.48 | d0g | then blowing up disk encryption |
| 16:29.01 | DusXMT | (but then again, if you don't plan on using thier OS, why even bother with their machines?) |
| 16:29.17 | d0g | but the root thing wins the interwebz , like , foreva |
| 16:29.46 | d0g | why would you buy their overpriced hardware to have linux on it _ |
| 16:29.52 | nepugia | dunno, i expect that most machines are relatively easy to get root on (well personal computers anyway) |
| 16:30.09 | nepugia | for linux just append init=/bin/bash on grub2 for most setups |
| 16:30.20 | nepugia | for freebsd hit 2 on bootloader prompt |
| 16:30.30 | d0g | as I said nepugia , I overcame that |
| 16:30.53 | d0g | I can send you my hdd image |
| 16:31.18 | d0g | you crack it , and you have a free vacation in croatia |
| 16:31.21 | nepugia | if you have it encrypted your os would have 2 views of it though |
| 16:31.46 | nepugia | but eh, rather not, since well |
| 16:31.59 | d0g | to boot |
| 16:32.18 | d0g | you need to unlock /boot |
| 16:32.25 | nepugia | nah, i trust your encryption skills well enough that i wont be able to boot it |
| 16:32.45 | d0g | its not my encryption skillz |
| 16:32.57 | DusXMT | : $ shred -uzfvn49 image.img |
| 16:33.00 | nepugia | heh, interesting, on FreeBSD geli zfs encryption /boot is the only thing not encrypted |
| 16:33.08 | d0g | bsd guys made that possible , btw |
| 16:34.30 | d0g | it was actually a girl |
| 16:34.41 | d0g | that story did not end well |
| 16:34.53 | fugitive | d0g i believe i am your right neighbor (offtopic) |
| 16:34.56 | d0g | she was harrased by bsd developers |
| 16:35.31 | d0g | my right neighbour , if I look south or north :rolleyes |
| 16:35.39 | DusXMT | (perhaps this could be moved to #debianfork ?) |
| 16:36.01 | golinux | <d0g> and why did refracta site go down |
| 16:36.04 | golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1633 |
| 16:36.24 | fugitive | north, hah <whois me> |
| 16:37.19 | d0g | aha |
| 16:37.26 | d0g | K now i know where u r |
| 16:37.51 | d0g | DusXMT, are we offtopic ? |
| 16:38.21 | fsmithred | tapatalk attack |
| 16:38.24 | DusXMT | Are we not? |
| 16:38.28 | d0g | I did not get such a feeling , tho |
| 16:39.08 | d0g | I am still looking for a way to formalise my work on full disk encryption |
| 16:39.21 | fsmithred | n4dir, my old howtos are still at debianuserforums.org |
| 16:39.29 | d0g | so , to recreate my setup |
| 16:39.36 | d0g | to document it |
| 16:39.37 | golinux | Yes, this has wandered OT but I'm just catching up to suggest maybe moving to #debianfork |
| 16:39.48 | fsmithred | d0g, I think someone described their adventures in full disk encryption at dev1galaxy.org |
| 16:39.59 | d0g | ok , I will check |
| 16:40.04 | fsmithred | so will I |
| 16:40.46 | fsmithred | probably this one: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=559 |
| 16:41.29 | d0g | but I still gonna need your skill with uefi |
| 16:41.49 | d0g | cus I am oblivious to microsoft technologies |
| 16:42.15 | d0g | can I go offtopic for another thing , guys ? |
| 16:42.53 | d0g | I just pressed ctrl+alt+right arrow to go to the right desktop |
| 16:43.11 | d0g | but I aint on devuan , Im on winblows |
| 16:43.31 | DusXMT | d0g: uefi was actually designed by intel on Apple's request :) |
| 16:43.42 | DusXMT | (well, EFI, but that morphed into uefi) |
| 16:44.02 | d0g | it was forced down our throats by effin MS |
| 16:44.14 | DusXMT | d0g: No? |
| 16:44.26 | DusXMT | It was forced down by vendors |
| 16:44.36 | d0g | nope |
| 16:44.41 | d0g | secure boot |
| 16:44.52 | DusXMT | Which is something vendors provide |
| 16:44.57 | DusXMT | as a part of the boot rom |
| 16:45.09 | d0g | on ms request |
| 16:45.22 | nepugia | secure boot is optional and you can disable it |
| 16:46.36 | DusXMT | And many machines even allow booting legacy-style setups, eg. I felt too lazy to read about how to properly do an efi-enabled install on this machine (manually, with debootstrap), so I just flipped an option in the boot rom configuration, and viola, could do it the old way |
| 16:47.12 | d0g | theres vendors that dont enable that option |
| 16:47.18 | d0g | like efin lenovo |
| 16:48.37 | d0g | nevermind |
| 16:49.53 | fsmithred | d0g, see this one, too: http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/index.html |
| 16:50.34 | fsmithred | new lenovo boxes don't let you switch off secure boot? |
| 16:51.13 | nepugia | i installed devuan on this lenovo laptop i bought this year and i can enable and disable secure boot, aswell as enable and disable legacy boot, aswell as setting the preference for efi or legacy boot |
| 16:52.00 | d0g | fsmithred, Ill hang arroud more often these days |
| 16:52.11 | d0g | I am keen on finally doing this tut |
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| 16:57.28 | d0g | nepugia, here https://www.google.hr/search?q=lenovo+linux+boot+problem&oq=lenovo+linux+&aqs=chrome.4.69i57j0l5.6462j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 |
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| 16:58.11 | d0g | can't find the thing I was looking for , tho |
| 16:58.36 | DusXMT | d0g: Most of those results show that the problems were solved :) |
| 16:58.42 | d0g | there was a laptop that came with win10 , and no legacy boot option |
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| 16:58.56 | nepugia | i can only tell you experience i have had with lenovo hardware, your expereince might differ :) |
| 16:59.11 | d0g | kill me for not being able to google properlz XD |
| 16:59.18 | nepugia | this one also came with win10, fing everything comes with win10 |
| 16:59.23 | DusXMT | d0g: Perhaps they just couldn't find a way into the boot rom configuration, it's surprisingly well hidden when Windows is your only OS |
| 17:00.03 | d0g | as I said , all that secure boot thing was to lock users back into windows ecosystem |
| 17:00.38 | d0g | with more and more arm laptops coming , we'll c how that goes for MS |
| 17:00.46 | DusXMT | d0g: but it can be used for good as well; I saw some gentoo guildes where they upload their own signing keys into it and have secure-boot-protected linux setups :) |
| 17:01.15 | d0g | I am totally against that |
| 17:01.22 | DusXMT | d0g: why? |
| 17:01.24 | d0g | false sence of secutirz |
| 17:01.41 | DusXMT | If someone modified your kernel, they wouldn't be able to boot it, unless they had the key |
| 17:02.03 | d0g | if intel made it , NSA can prolly waltz into those systems with two clicks |
| 17:02.13 | d0g | so .. |
| 17:03.33 | d0g | remember the PRNG mess intel made ? |
| 17:03.52 | fsmithred | nepugia, thanks. I'm reading about the ahci problem now. Seems that was fixed. Oh wait. Maybe not really fixed. |
| 17:04.07 | d0g | intel is firmly set on making our machines less secure |
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| 17:06.42 | DusXMT | d0g: best thing to do: not use their hardware. Here's an interesting option: https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707 Of course, just because it's not intel doesn't mean it's automatically going to be secure, anyone can be bribed by big corporations |
| 17:07.27 | d0g | I use novena |
| 17:08.18 | DusXMT | This might also be an interesting option when it'll be ready for the public: http://www.lowrisc.org/ |
| 17:08.24 | d0g | https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena |
| 17:08.34 | d0g | bunny is a great guy |
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| 17:11.30 | d0g | https://www.bunniestudios.com/ |
| 17:14.05 | fugitive | need help |
| 17:14.16 | fugitive | i need kernel source for jessie |
| 17:14.19 | fugitive | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.19 | fugitive | linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 - Header files for Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:14.19 | fugitive | linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 - Linux 3.16 for 64-bit PCs |
| 17:14.19 | fugitive | linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:14.20 | fugitive | xen-linux-system-3.16.0-4-amd64 - Xen system with Linux 3.16 on 64-bit PCs (meta-package) |
| 17:14.22 | fugitive | nvidia-kernel-3.16.0-4-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:14.39 | fugitive | but then - sudo apt-get source linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:14.40 | fugitive | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:14.40 | fugitive | Building dependency tree |
| 17:14.40 | fugitive | Reading state information... Done |
| 17:14.40 | fugitive | Picking 'linux' as source package instead of 'linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64' |
| 17:14.40 | fugitive | NOTICE: 'linux' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at: |
| 17:14.42 | fugitive | https://anonscm.debian.org/git/kernel/linux.git |
| 17:14.44 | fugitive | Need to get 95.6 MB of source archives. |
| 17:14.46 | fugitive | Get:1 http://rs.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports/main linux 4.9.51-1~bpo8+1 (dsc) [130 kB] |
| 17:14.48 | fugitive | Get:2 http://rs.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports/main linux 4.9.51-1~bpo8+1 (tar) [94.5 MB] |
| 17:14.50 | fugitive | Get:3 http://rs.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports/main linux 4.9.51-1~bpo8+1 (diff) [967 kB] |
| 17:15.01 | fugitive | it gives me linux-4.9.51 |
| 17:15.14 | DusXMT | fugitive: this would get you kicked out in most channels :) |
| 17:15.26 | Akuli | lol |
| 17:15.27 | fugitive | ik ik .. apologies :) |
| 17:15.36 | Akuli | termbin is nice |
| 17:15.42 | Akuli | $ blah | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 17:15.43 | fugitive | yes... sorry |
| 17:15.47 | fugitive | ik for it |
| 17:16.38 | fsmithred | fugitive, apt-get install linux-source-3.16 |
| 17:17.16 | fsmithred | assuming you want to compile a kernel, not just compile some modules. For the latter you only need linux-headers. |
| 17:18.12 | fsmithred | nepugia, do you have dual-boot set up, or did you wipe the windows? |
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| 17:26.07 | parazyd | fsmithred: you do need the kernel sources if you're compiling an in-tree module |
| 17:33.38 | fugitive | thank you fsmithred |
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| 17:54.16 | nepugia | fsmithred: wiping the windoze was the first thing i did ;) |
| 17:55.24 | nepugia | > intel is firmly set on making our machines less secure |
| 17:55.24 | nepugia | intel obviously wants to make your system more secure, why else would they be installing minix on everything :) |
| 17:58.18 | nepugia | after some fiddling with knobs on debian it worked nicely on debian 8 (and devuan jessie after that) e.g install backports then 4.9 kernel and installing some firmware packages debian considers nonfree |
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| 18:01.50 | fsmithred | Sahil, did wicd not work for you? That is the default network manager. |
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| 19:25.07 | Sahil | fsmithred: I saw wicd in Live iso, but it dos not support Mobile Broadband (usb modem). NetworkManager will recognize the modem when ModemManager and usb_modeswitch are installed with NetworkManager. These packages are included in the DVD iso but it can't be installed |
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| 19:29.59 | Sahil | I first tried "Install" and in "Select and Install Software" I choose-d " ..... Xfce" with the other defaults groups like ( [*] Devuan desktop environment , [*] Print server] , [*] Standard system utilities ). |
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| 19:31.31 | Sahil | I also tried "Expert install" with [*] .... Xfce , but NetworkManager nor modemmanager and usb_modeswitch are not installed. |
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| 20:40.53 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 20:41.01 | golinux | user_32221: ^^^ |
| 20:41.22 | user_32221 | oh. |
| 20:41.26 | user_32221 | my fault. |
| 20:41.50 | user_32221 | when i istalled devuan, kernel was 3.16. |
| 20:41.58 | user_32221 | i suppose it is old stable. |
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| 20:42.42 | user_32221 | so why Ascii is marked as "in development"? it is a little confusing. |
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| 20:44.13 | user_32221 | in devuan.org jessie is stable, asci is in development.. should be jeie=old stble and ascii = stable. homepage of web site should e upgrded :-) |
| 20:44.39 | DusXMT | user_32221: ascii hasn't been released yet, it's not fully polished |
| 20:44.43 | DusXMT | but that should change soon |
| 20:44.51 | user_32221 | ok |
| 20:45.24 | user_32221 | so jssie cannot be considered oldsable because ascii is still not stable. |
| 20:46.08 | DusXMT | keep in mind, "stable" and "oldstable" are just labels |
| 20:47.02 | user_32221 | i ws always (quate always) a user of stable, to me are not "just labels" i give value tho those labels. |
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| 20:48.04 | user_32221 | at least when i use debian, i supposed also devuan follow a rigid catgization aboud devuan's release. it is just my supposition, aniway. |
| 20:48.33 | user_32221 | what liux vrsion is in Ascii? |
| 20:48.40 | user_32221 | what linux version is in Ascii? |
| 20:49.26 | DusXMT | 4.9.30-2 |
| 20:49.48 | DusXMT | user_32221: And we do have rules, but the thing is, if it's not released yet, it's not released. |
| 20:49.50 | golinux | user_32221: If you have jessie installed, you can upgrade to ascii. Just change you sources.list to point to ascii. Many users are already there. :) |
| 20:50.14 | user_32221 | golinux, ok. |
| 20:50.22 | golinux | The source lists are on the website |
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| 20:50.41 | user_32221 | DusXMT, ah, the usual politic of "released when ready" i am used to :-) |
| 20:51.46 | golinux | If you do that udev will be automatically switched to eudev. |
| 20:52.37 | golinux | And you will probably want to use pkgmaster.devuan.org for your sources. |
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| 21:03.02 | sgage | My ascii install just switched to eudev with today's updates. |
| 21:04.21 | sgage | Wasn't expecting it - a pleasant surprise! ;-) |
| 21:04.53 | sgage | How about switching to apulse ;-) |
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| 21:05.16 | golinux | sgage: Yes, that just happened. :D |
| 21:05.27 | KatolaZ | sgage: apulse is in experimental already |
| 21:06.31 | sgage | Kaolaz: have you tried apulse? Does it spoof Firefox into thinking pulseaudio is installed? |
| 21:06.48 | KatolaZ | sgage: I packages apulse ;) |
| 21:06.54 | KatolaZ | ~packaged |
| 21:07.08 | KatolaZ | it works with skype and firefox |
| 21:07.15 | KatolaZ | (but I don't use firefox much) |
| 21:07.22 | KatolaZ | (and my volume is normally muted...) |
| 21:07.48 | sgage | I don't work with firefox much either, mostly Pale Moon. But once in a while... |
| 21:08.01 | sgage | something won't work in Pale Moon. |
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| 21:09.57 | sgage | I will give apulse a try. |
| 21:10.15 | KatolaZ | apparently there are troubles with the latest versions of firefox |
| 21:10.24 | KatolaZ | but I haven't followed much the details |
| 21:10.34 | KatolaZ | please report if it works properly for you |
| 21:10.42 | KatolaZ | (or if it doesn't ;)) |
| 21:11.07 | sgage | It's like testing email - |
| 21:11.21 | sgage | 'Be sure to let me know if you don't get this message.' |
| 21:11.36 | KatolaZ | well, it's not the same :D |
| 21:12.35 | sgage | I will let you know how it works out. |
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| 21:17.36 | greenjeans | any issues with the repo today or is it just me? |
| 21:18.27 | enyc | yawns! |
| 21:22.25 | golinux | What 'issues'/ |
| 21:22.28 | golinux | ? |
| 21:23.03 | justinsm | 2,891 B/s here. |
| 21:23.11 | justinsm | very slow |
| 21:23.30 | Lieke | yeah, aptitude update says it needs 3h55m for me |
| 21:25.15 | g4570n | 2.167 B/s here |
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| 21:29.04 | greenjeans | yep, that's what i'm getting, super slowwwwwwww |
| 21:31.00 | greenjeans | just looking to see if any updates in jessie the last few days |
| 21:36.51 | sgage | seems like dev1galaxy is running quite slow as well. |
| 21:39.18 | golinux | Problem seems to be mirror rsyncing |
| 21:42.30 | golinux | We're looking at it now. |
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| 21:56.19 | aitor | hi |
| 21:57.08 | g4570n | hi |
| 21:57.27 | aitor | :) |
| 21:59.57 | aitor | peaple talking about palemoon, linux-4.9.30-2... |
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| 22:04.02 | greenjeans | hi aitor |
| 22:04.17 | aitor | hi |
| 22:04.59 | aitor | i'm a newbie here |
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| 22:05.24 | greenjeans | me too |
| 22:05.29 | aitor | lol |
| 22:07.14 | aitor | greenjeans, my popupmenu for openbox is ready |
| 22:07.29 | greenjeans | where can I get a copy? |
| 22:08.19 | aitor | tomorrow :) it's not a joke |
| 22:08.56 | aitor | i'm working on the header and the footer |
| 22:09.51 | greenjeans | speaking of Palemoon, am testing 27.6.2 today |
| 22:10.22 | aitor | the header including gmrun, the file manager, the terminal, the web browser... |
| 22:10.46 | aitor | and the footer including oblogout |
| 22:12.27 | aitor | palemoon will be included in gnuinos |
| 22:16.26 | greenjeans | FYI if anyone cares: the latest Palemoon requires a newer version of libdbus than what's in the jessie repo, so I installed the ascii dbus packages in my jessie installs and they seem to work fine, have been running them for the last week |
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| 23:00.03 | aitor_ | hi, i was having dinner |
| 23:03.25 | aitor_ | estoy en devuan-mx |
| 23:08.00 | aitor_ | nobody in this channel today :( |
| 23:18.42 | g4570n | ok |
| 23:19.01 | aitor_ | hi |
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| 23:38.19 | aitor_ | g4570n me ha dejado plantado en #devuan-mx! |
| 23:38.32 | aitor_ | no pasa nada, no soy rencoroso |
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| 23:49.15 | g4570n | aitor: i'm back :D |
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