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| 00:58.33 | Schallaven | hello freedom people o/ |
| 01:03.09 | gnarface | greetings |
| 01:03.45 | sokan | o/ |
| 01:03.47 | gnarface | you will rarely get a response to random greetings in this channel, but if you're patient and ask specific questions, you will get answers. people do read their scrollback history in here. |
| 01:04.05 | gnarface | (just fyi) |
| 01:04.18 | sokan | Schallaven, for more casual chat join #debianfork |
| 01:04.29 | Schallaven | thx :) |
| 01:04.33 | Schallaven | not my first time here, tho |
| 01:04.37 | Schallaven | don't worry |
| 01:04.39 | Schallaven | :D |
| 01:04.45 | sokan | \o/ |
| 01:08.10 | gnarface | i thought i'd seen you come in and leave before without getting a response, that's all |
| 01:08.24 | Schallaven | :) |
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| 01:53.26 | tpcoder | hello |
| 01:53.58 | tpcoder | i'm on ascii and i want to install a package that's only in jessie-backports |
| 01:53.59 | Schallaven | o/ |
| 01:54.19 | tpcoder | is it ok to add jessie-backports to my sources file? |
| 01:54.35 | tpcoder | i want to install docker.io |
| 01:55.16 | tpcoder | somebody mentioned it was not ok to mix releases as it would case problems later? |
| 01:56.42 | gnarface | tpcoder: you're sure it's really not in ascii? |
| 01:56.49 | gnarface | tpcoder: yea, it can cause problems later |
| 01:57.03 | tpcoder | yes i'm sure it's not in ascii |
| 01:57.03 | nepugia | > somebody mentioned it was not ok to mix releases as it would case problems later? |
| 01:57.04 | nepugia | mixing releases can leave your system in a broke state really easily, jessie backports software is generally software for debian stretch ?well devuan ascii here) that was recompiled to run under jessie |
| 01:57.12 | golinux | Someone has docker images specifically for devuan. Will take a sec to find it. |
| 01:58.00 | justinsm | there is a docker package in ascii/main |
| 01:58.13 | tpcoder | that's not docker.io |
| 01:58.13 | justinsm | Candidate: 1.5-1+b1 |
| 01:59.40 | nepugia | i dont know about you but docker.io just links me to the docker website |
| 02:00.48 | tpcoder | nepugia: in jessie-backports? |
| 02:01.29 | golinux | Here you go: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170907.122245.a0ae75aa.en.html |
| 02:02.34 | tpcoder | golinux: so this is docker + devuan docker image? that's awesome |
| 02:03.41 | golinux | I imagine at some point they will be in the repos |
| 02:03.58 | golinux | Let us know how it goes. |
| 02:04.07 | golinux | The source is reliable. |
| 02:05.21 | tpcoder | golinux: i just checked and this is jessie-backports |
| 02:06.24 | tpcoder | is it ok to add jessie-backports to my sources just to install docker.io? |
| 02:06.25 | golinux | OK. Then it's already there. |
| 02:06.43 | tpcoder | that was actually my inital question |
| 02:06.49 | golinux | That question I can't answer. Is it in ascii backports? |
| 02:06.56 | tpcoder | no |
| 02:07.09 | tpcoder | that's why i came here |
| 02:07.16 | golinux | Have you looked in Ceres? |
| 02:07.25 | tpcoder | it probably is in ceres |
| 02:08.12 | golinux | I have sometimes installed pkgs from the previous release, Have several from Debian Jessie on my machine. |
| 02:08.39 | golinux | You could try and if it fails look behind door 2 (ceres) |
| 02:09.09 | tpcoder | okay should i pin down jessie-backports? |
| 02:09.37 | golinux | Simulate a check on the dependencies |
| 02:10.15 | golinux | Don't you want to upgrade to ascii docker if it ever arrives there? |
| 02:10.23 | tpcoder | of course |
| 02:10.33 | golinux | They why pin it?\ |
| 02:10.36 | golinux | Then |
| 02:11.31 | golinux | Just install that one package and then comment out baclpotrs . |
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| 02:11.47 | golinux | Oh boy. My typing |
| 02:11.57 | golinux | Dinner is ready biab |
| 02:12.11 | tpcoder | because i thought that mixing releases would also mess up the dependencies |
| 02:12.21 | tpcoder | Okay enjoy your dinner |
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| 03:27.21 | tpcoder | i just simulated the docker.io package |
| 03:27.56 | tpcoder | it seems weird that it wants to pull packages from devuan/testing |
| 03:34.20 | tpcoder | is it normal that backports packages depend on testing packages? |
| 03:35.22 | gnarface | ascii is testing still |
| 03:35.57 | gnarface | so, yes it would be normal for ascii-backports to depend on it, i would think |
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| 03:38.24 | tpcoder | spam alert |
| 03:38.38 | tpcoder | it also depends on init-system-helpers |
| 03:39.02 | tpcoder | init-system-helpers Depends: perl-base Conflicts: file-rc Conflicts: openrc Breaks: <systemd> Breaks: sysvinit-utils Replaces: sysv-rc Replaces: sysvinit-utils |
| 03:39.09 | tpcoder | it this normal? |
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| 03:39.30 | gnarface | i can only guess probably if you are using openrc |
| 03:39.50 | gnarface | that doesn't mean it's not broken though, ascii is still in testing |
| 03:40.14 | gnarface | maybe you're being confused by the fact that even though ascii corresponds to stretch and stretch is now stable, ascii is still testing |
| 03:40.15 | gnarface | ? |
| 03:40.43 | tpcoder | oh yes |
| 03:41.06 | tpcoder | so devuan:2.0/testing == ascii? |
| 03:41.11 | gnarface | yes, correct |
| 03:41.18 | tpcoder | oh that clarifies it |
| 03:41.19 | gnarface | and it naturally lags behind debian a bit |
| 03:41.44 | gnarface | i expect the gap will be closed over time as more work comes on board for devuan |
| 03:41.57 | gnarface | right now ascii is a bit beta though |
| 03:42.15 | gnarface | you can report bugs to bugs.devuan.org |
| 03:42.20 | tpcoder | but dou you think this package will cause problems? (i'm not using openrc) |
| 03:42.27 | tpcoder | do* |
| 03:42.41 | gnarface | oh, uh... can't say. i don't know crap about docker |
| 03:42.49 | gnarface | i'm the wrong person to ask sorry |
| 03:43.01 | tpcoder | thank you anyway |
| 03:43.11 | gnarface | hang out, someone does know |
| 03:44.19 | fsmithred | tpcoder, what other packages is it trying to pull? |
| 03:44.44 | fsmithred | it doesn't seem to want much here. |
| 03:45.08 | tpcoder | these: Depends: adduser Depends: iptables Depends: init-system-helpers Depends: perl Depends: libapparmor1 Depends: libc6 Depends: libdevmapper1.02.1 Depends: libsqlite3-0 Breaks: docker Recommends: aufs-tools Recommends: ca-certificates |Recommends: cgroupfs-mount Recommends: <cgroup-lite> Recommends: git Recommends: xz-utils Suggests: btrfs-tools Suggests: debootstrap Suggests: lxc Suggests: rinse |
| 03:45.29 | fsmithred | holy shit, what kind of minimal system did you install? |
| 03:46.00 | fsmithred | seriously, how did you install the system? |
| 03:46.01 | tpcoder | i did install using the installer iso |
| 03:46.29 | fsmithred | how can you not already have some of those packages? |
| 03:46.53 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep libc6 |
| 03:46.55 | fsmithred | please |
| 03:47.03 | tpcoder | no actually this is the output of apt-cache depends |
| 03:47.17 | fsmithred | oh, whew |
| 03:47.39 | fsmithred | aptitude -s -t jessie-backports install docker.io |
| 03:47.40 | tpcoder | ii libc6:amd64 2.24-11+deb9u1 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libc6-dev:amd64 2.24-11+deb9u1 amd64 GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files |
| 03:48.14 | fsmithred | you got ascii |
| 03:48.22 | fsmithred | uname -r |
| 03:49.07 | tpcoder | yes i am on ascii no need to check :D |
| 03:49.12 | fsmithred | oh, ok. |
| 03:49.31 | gnarface | he's trying to get docker on ascii, it was in jessie-backports but removed from ascii apparently |
| 03:49.41 | gnarface | i dunno crap about 9it |
| 03:50.09 | fsmithred | hang on, I'm trying it in ascii |
| 03:50.55 | tpcoder | gnarface: i don't think it was removed from ascii |
| 03:50.58 | fsmithred | must have been removed in the last few days |
| 03:51.02 | tpcoder | it never was in ascii |
| 03:51.05 | tpcoder | i think |
| 03:51.22 | fsmithred | I'm not seeing it in the system that got updated today and yesterday |
| 03:51.37 | fsmithred | I am seeing it in the system that hasn't been updated for more than a couple days |
| 03:51.45 | fsmithred | possibly a week |
| 03:52.01 | tpcoder | in the ascii repos? |
| 03:52.15 | fsmithred | 2.24-11+deb9u1 0 |
| 03:52.15 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.03 | fsmithred | when I try to download it from ascii, I get a backports package |
| 03:53.20 | tpcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.21 | fsmithred | jessie-backports |
| 03:53.25 | fsmithred | yes |
| 03:53.28 | fsmithred | that's the one |
| 03:53.46 | tpcoder | but what is this -> 2.24-11+deb9u1 0 |
| 03:54.20 | tpcoder | and how the hell did it get removed from ascii |
| 03:54.52 | fsmithred | oops |
| 03:55.30 | fsmithred | that was libc6. sorry. 1.13.1~ds2-3 is in ceres/sid |
| 03:55.57 | fsmithred | and the 1.6 in bpo |
| 03:56.14 | fsmithred | so it's not in stretch, either |
| 03:56.26 | tpcoder | yes, that's right |
| 03:56.44 | tpcoder | but any idea why it got removed from stretch? |
| 03:56.52 | fsmithred | don't know how hard it would be to backport it |
| 03:56.57 | fsmithred | no idea |
| 03:57.04 | fsmithred | probably poke around debian mailing lists |
| 03:58.02 | tpcoder | and why is sysvinit-utils flagged as breaks and replaces at the same time? |
| 03:58.13 | tpcoder | in init-system-helpers |
| 03:58.32 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.38 | tpcoder | hmm |
| 03:59.00 | tpcoder | so i assume it's safe to install this package? |
| 03:59.16 | fsmithred | the one from jessie-backports is probably safe |
| 03:59.47 | tpcoder | okay. I'll just install that |
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| 04:00.14 | tpcoder | and if docker.io ever gets updated it'll probably in stretch/ascii right |
| 04:00.37 | fsmithred | no |
| 04:00.52 | fsmithred | if it's not in stretch now, it probably will never be in stretch |
| 04:01.32 | tpcoder | maybe in stretch-backports then? |
| 04:02.03 | fsmithred | nope |
| 04:02.19 | fsmithred | and it's got a long list of build deps |
| 04:02.31 | fsmithred | including some systemd stuff |
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| 04:02.41 | tpcoder | wow |
| 04:02.55 | tpcoder | yeah i know that |
| 04:03.23 | tpcoder | why do you think it won't be in stretch-backports? |
| 04:04.08 | tpcoder | because it isn't in the main release? |
| 04:04.22 | tpcoder | an older version* |
| 04:04.31 | fsmithred | I only know that it's not in stretch-backports now |
| 04:05.36 | gnarface | tpcoder: i'm guessing the debian mailing lists most likely contain an explanation for this. i'm guessing you won't like it when you hear it though. |
| 04:06.14 | tpcoder | oh oh that doesn't sound good :) |
| 04:13.31 | tpcoder | gnarface: could you please share the link? |
| 04:14.04 | fsmithred | lists.debian.org? |
| 04:14.55 | tpcoder | oh nvm he said i won't like it when i hear it, so i thought he found the answer |
| 04:14.58 | tpcoder | misread it |
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| 04:16.35 | fsmithred | no, that just sounded like the voice of experience |
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| 04:31.48 | tpcoder | what's the difference between "apt-get install -t jessie-backports install docker.io" |
| 04:31.56 | tpcoder | and "apt-get install docker.io" |
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| 04:37.30 | fsmithred | the '-t jessie backports' tells apt which version to get |
| 04:37.40 | slegr | Hi |
| 04:37.57 | fsmithred | since there's only one version available, if you have backports enabled, you'd probably get it. |
| 04:38.27 | fsmithred | also the syntax on the first one was wrong - package name has to come directly after 'install' |
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| 04:40.14 | tpcoder | oh right |
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| 04:42.58 | golinux | tpcoder: Trying to catch up but TMI. You mentioned util-linux. There is a problem with it in ascii. I is being worked on and hopefully fixed soon. I posted some thought son the forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=6532#p6532 |
| 04:44.52 | tpcoder | golinux: i'll look into that thanks |
| 04:45.16 | fsmithred | I got bit by that a couple of times today |
| 04:51.47 | tpcoder | golinux: at least this package doesn't need a new version of init-system-helper (which depends on util-linux) so fortunately i'll dodge the problem |
| 04:51.57 | tpcoder | but thanks for the warning |
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| 12:13.03 | parazyd | anyone got an arm64 machine running devuan to borrow some computing power today? |
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| 16:40.32 | FlibberTGibbet | hi. I have an old banana pi running Bananian Wheezy (Linux <hostname> 3.4.104-bananian #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 6 18:25:40 UTC 2015 armv7l). Might this be directly upgradable to Devuan? |
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| 16:53.54 | FlibberTGibbet | ah. guessing not, looking at the readme about u-boot. |
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| 18:43.16 | isfreesoftware2 | Just want to point out that there is a singular "bug" in Devuan 1.0.0. When the power button is pressed in a laptop, the system does NOT start the shut down sequence. It does nothing. In order to fix this I have had to modify the file /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh |
| 18:43.43 | isfreesoftware2 | and comment two lines |
| 18:43.45 | isfreesoftware2 | [ -e /usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs ] || exit 0 |
| 18:43.57 | isfreesoftware2 | . /usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs |
| 18:44.14 | isfreesoftware2 | after doing that and restarting, the power button works again normally in order to shut down the system |
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| 18:55.32 | fsmithred | isfreesoftware2, you need to tell what hardware you have. The problem is not universal. |
| 18:55.35 | KatolaZ | isfreesoftware2: it is your laptop maybe :) |
| 18:55.46 | KatolaZ | mine shuts down |
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| 18:56.52 | isfreesoftware2 | fsmithred: maybe it is that I installed lxde on top of xfce...? |
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| 19:03.46 | fsmithred | I suppose it's possibly a conflict between a power manager and a screensaver or maybe two power managers |
| 19:04.25 | fsmithred | but generally, you can install as many desktop environments as you want and choose to run any one of them. |
| 19:05.38 | isfreesoftware2 | fsmithred: it seems like it is about the execution of the file /usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs that is the problem, somehow, the conditional is executed if that file exist and thus the shutdown order is avoided |
| 19:05.49 | isfreesoftware2 | that is why commenting out those two lines solve the problem |
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| 19:14.26 | FinboySlick | I have a later model of Intel E1000E NIC (I217-LM) Seems the 3.16 kernel that comes on Jessie doesn't support it. What would you guys recommend? I could build my own module but won't that be a pain every time there's a kernel update? |
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| 19:29.00 | fsmithred | FinboySlick, here's a desktop-live with backports kernel - http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/ |
| 19:31.22 | FinboySlick | fsmithred: It's already installed (from another NIC), it's just that I need both of them working. Can I add a repo for those backports? |
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| 19:47.32 | fsmithred | FinboySlick, add: deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main |
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| 23:08.48 | Schallaven | o/ |
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