| 00:01.12 | MinceR | can Devuan run on a Banana Pi BPi-R2? |
| 00:02.15 | blinkdog | MinceR: Not sure, but parazyd would probably know. Maybe ask on #devuan-arm ? |
| 00:03.10 | MinceR | will do |
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| 04:33.18 | AlexLikeRock | GNUs ! afternoon |
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| 05:22.35 | golinux | almost midnight |
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| 07:19.59 | AlexLikeRock | new translate ; (Development) --->> http://devuan-mx.org/os/desarollo/ |
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| 08:19.39 | vvande | Is there a difference between Debian and Devuan in how I create a RAID 1 using mdadm? |
| 08:20.21 | vvande | I've got two fresh new disks, and the Debian instructions (very simple) do not work. |
| 08:23.26 | vvande | The entries that I'm using exist in /dev, ie /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc. |
| 08:24.45 | vvande | the first error is "unrecognized component device /dev/sdb" |
| 08:25.11 | vvande | and those are the device names reported by "fdisk -l" |
| 08:26.10 | AlexLikeRock | :-/ |
| 08:26.47 | gnarface | only thing that comes to mind is maybe the devices aren't loading in the order you expect |
| 08:26.58 | gnarface | maybe sdb is not the right device? |
| 08:27.05 | gnarface | vvande: ^ |
| 08:27.43 | AlexLikeRock | "gparted" recognized ? |
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| 08:38.31 | vvande | the devices are those reported by fdisk |
| 08:39.12 | vvande | there are three hdds, one is used and booting - /dev/sdc |
| 08:39.45 | vvande | sorry, typo - boot disk is /dev/sda |
| 08:40.13 | vvande | the new two came up as sdb and sdc, although not in that order by fdisk, but with those names |
| 08:41.08 | AlexLikeRock | so... |
| 08:41.14 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.12 | vvande | 2 |
| 08:42.22 | AlexLikeRock | 2?!?!? |
| 08:42.28 | Wonka | hmm... I'd not use /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc directly for MD, I'd create a partition on each disk with the appropriate type so Linux auto-enables the RAID on boot... |
| 08:42.39 | AlexLikeRock | oh! |
| 08:42.41 | vvande | no no, that was me tryhing to switch computers |
| 08:43.03 | vvande | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.38 | vvande | Wonka: ok, but the Debian instructions say specifically that it's not needed t do that |
| 08:44.00 | blinkdog | can you link to the Debian instructions? |
| 08:44.35 | vvande | I'm followint the Debian instructions EXACTLY - link https://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID |
| 08:45.51 | Wonka | vvande: so you ran "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc" ? |
| 08:46.05 | vvande | yes |
| 08:46.21 | Wonka | vvande: and the error message was "unrecognized component device /dev/sdb"? |
| 08:46.29 | vvande | I figured the first instruction would give an error, so went on to the second. |
| 08:46.40 | vvande | Wonka yes |
| 08:47.06 | Wonka | interesting -.- |
| 08:47.38 | vvande | wait, I'm a little off here, but on track. :) |
| 08:47.52 | vvande | the error from what you said above is .. |
| 08:48.42 | vvande | "cannot open /dev/sdb no such device" |
| 08:48.56 | Wonka | O.o |
| 08:49.13 | vvande | I mean "no such file or directory" |
| 08:49.19 | Wonka | do "cat /proc/partitions" |
| 08:49.29 | vvande | (I'm having issues switching between computers quickly) :) |
| 08:49.37 | vvande | will do, hang on |
| 08:49.38 | Wonka | that lists all block devices and partitions known to the kernel |
| 08:50.20 | Wonka | should have lines like " 8 16 30728832 sdb |
| 08:50.22 | Wonka | " |
| 08:50.42 | Wonka | also, 8 32 $number sdc |
| 08:50.50 | vvande | That shows what I expect. All the sda bits, and then sdb and sdc |
| 08:50.57 | Wonka | hmm |
| 08:51.16 | Wonka | "ls -l /dev/sdb /dev/sdc" |
| 08:51.23 | vvande | no details with sdb and sdc entries |
| 08:51.31 | Wonka | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 Nov 12 09:34 /dev/sdb |
| 08:51.47 | vvande | ok hang on |
| 08:52.39 | vvande | no result from that |
| 08:52.48 | Wonka | now that's funny. |
| 08:52.49 | vvande | just reiterating /sdb |
| 08:53.25 | vvande | I rebooted after installing mdadm - just in case someting needed to load |
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| 08:54.23 | Leander_ | have a look at https://www.considerednormal.com/2016/10/configuring-software-raid1-after-installation-of-ubuntu-16/ |
| 08:54.38 | vvande | looks :) |
| 08:54.52 | Wonka | vvande: does "grep devtmpfs /proc/mounts" output a line? |
| 08:55.03 | Leander_ | if you receive the error messages after the --zero-superblock command, it's actually expected since your disks were empty |
| 08:56.35 | Leander_ | (I think that, if it's the case, the tool is pretty bad at reporting the "error") |
| 08:56.44 | Wonka | vvande: you could create the /dev/ entries with "mknod -m 660 /dev/sdb b 8 16 ; mknod -m 660 /dev/sdc 8 32", but I don't know if they'd persist over a reboot. |
| 08:56.48 | vvande | Leander_: yes I'd seen that one before. I note he is loading a whole bunch of modules. Also, I _do_ have two fresh disks for the RAID in addition to my existing booting disk. |
| 08:57.24 | vvande | Wonka: the /dev entries do already exist though /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc |
| 08:57.39 | Leander_ | vvande: but you also get errors when trying to create the RAID1 ? |
| 08:57.43 | Wonka | vvande: hm okay... |
| 08:57.59 | Wonka | vvande: have you looked through `dmesg` if they're actually recognized |
| 08:58.04 | vvande | I'm doing this as root too. |
| 08:58.12 | vvande | looks at dmesg |
| 08:59.03 | vvande | nothing there since boot |
| 08:59.23 | Wonka | well, _at_ boot there should have been something |
| 08:59.50 | Wonka | like "sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk" but for sdb, sdc each |
| 09:00.50 | vvande | yes, of course. I grepped those earlier, just to make sure the disks were there. |
| 09:01.12 | vvande | I meant nothing added since last boot line. |
| 09:01.22 | vvande | :) |
| 09:02.15 | Wonka | okay. |
| 09:02.18 | Wonka | strange. |
| 09:02.26 | Wonka | too bad I have to leave - family... |
| 09:02.31 | Wonka | good luck! |
| 09:03.14 | vvande | Wonka: thanks! |
| 09:03.29 | vvande | I'll read some more and come back tomorrow. It's also late here. |
| 09:03.35 | vvande | thanks again to everybody here |
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| 09:27.03 | AlexLikeRock | translated to SPA (source Code ) ---> http://devuan-mx.org/os/codigo-fuente/ |
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| 09:44.49 | AlexLikeRock | good bye GNUs |
| 09:44.59 | AlexLikeRock | Freedoom! |
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| 10:12.31 | jaromil | que bueno |
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| 12:52.54 | msiism | are there any plans to include TDE packages (exe gnu/linux has them) in the ascii release? |
| 13:20.07 | jaromil | msiism: not sure anyone has plans, but we'd welcome the initiative. a starting point would be to upload the source packages on git.devuan.org |
| 13:21.53 | jaromil | but well I guess using their apt repos just works. no? https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall |
| 13:24.18 | msiism | jaromil: oh, i had forgotten about that. thanks for the reminder. i might try that sometime soon. unfortunately, the only thing i really know about packaging is that it's really complicated. |
| 13:27.34 | msiism | (i know that from trying to get through debian's packaging docs) |
| 13:35.12 | gnarface | it's actually designed to sound a lot more complicated than it really is |
| 13:35.33 | gnarface | just skip to chapter 6 |
| 13:36.48 | msiism | gnarface: noted. thanks. |
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| 13:42.19 | jaromil | i agree with gnarface :) |
| 13:42.49 | jaromil | assuming we are referring to the "new maintainer's guide" |
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| 13:59.50 | msiism | i'm having a strange problem with bash aliases on my system. the aliases i use are set in a system-wide file residing in /etc/bash_aliases. its contents are these: http://paste.debian.net/plain/995298 |
| 14:00.27 | msiism | the problem now is that on one of my user accounts, the first ls alias does not have any effect. |
| 14:02.58 | msiism | there are no other ls aliases in the user's ~/.bash_aliases file. so the setting is not being overwritten by a per-user setting. |
| 14:03.55 | msiism | but, if i do put "alias ls='ls -1 --color=auto'" into that users .bash_aliases, things work. that's strange. |
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| 14:48.59 | gnarface | msiism: check ~/.bashrc too |
| 14:49.14 | gnarface | there's some stock ones in there that are commented out by default... |
| 14:49.22 | gnarface | maybe yours are uncommented? |
| 14:51.15 | msiism | ok, will check that. i just found out, that on that user account, the first line of the /etc/bash_aliases file is being completely ignored. not so on the other account. |
| 14:52.06 | gnarface | right above them there's also this line: if [[ "$TERM" != "dumb" ]]; then |
| 14:52.21 | gnarface | which i recommend changing to: if [[ "$TERM" != "dumb" || "$EMACS" == "t" ]]; then |
| 14:52.26 | gnarface | (if you're an emacs fan) |
| 14:53.21 | msiism | alsways using nano on the cli |
| 14:53.50 | gnarface | and the latest ls in ceres does something changes behavior of files/directories listed with spaces in the names in a non-reverse-compatible way, but you can undo it with '-N' |
| 14:54.24 | gnarface | i can understand why they changed it, but it's gonna break people's scripts |
| 14:55.28 | gnarface | (there's a corresponding setting to change in emacs to add ANSI color support but it may be off by default, just fyi) |
| 14:56.05 | gnarface | nano doesn't even have a built-in terminal so it's immaterial there |
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| 14:57.59 | msiism | found the culprit: "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" in .bashrc. |
| 15:00.06 | gnarface | on my own systems, i often customize /etc/skel/.bashrc rather than changing /etc/bash_aliases |
| 15:00.58 | msiism | what's the merit? |
| 15:02.06 | gnarface | users get created with the defaults i like, but if i need to make a user with more stripped-down behavior for any reason it's easier to undo than overriding the global setting |
| 15:02.55 | gnarface | it just depends on your style |
| 15:03.35 | gnarface | easier to put individual users back to "stock" behavior that way |
| 15:03.48 | msiism | that's interesting. can explain that a bit more? |
| 15:04.22 | gnarface | the /etc/skel directory is just the set of files that automatically get copied to a user's home directory on initial creation |
| 15:04.33 | gnarface | you can put whatever you want in there |
| 15:04.36 | gnarface | new files too |
| 15:05.04 | msiism | ok, so like an auotmation of copying the same .bash_aliases to every user's home |
| 15:05.11 | gnarface | yea |
| 15:05.15 | msiism | cool |
| 15:05.26 | gnarface | by default all that's in there is .bash_logout, .bashrc, and .profile |
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| 15:06.08 | msiism | right |
| 15:06.25 | gnarface | every distro has slightly different ones, but i like the debian ones the best :) |
| 15:06.52 | gnarface | redhat ones break backspace key >:( |
| 15:07.16 | gnarface | well at least they used to |
| 15:07.19 | gnarface | it's been a while... |
| 15:07.37 | gnarface | since i used redhat |
| 15:08.34 | msiism | i've come to using aliases, remebering that suse has (or had) ll and la as a standard. |
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| 15:09.31 | msiism | some computer science guy a fews years bask told be, these aliases were one of the things why he preferred suse. kind of funny... |
| 15:10.23 | gnarface | i also usually add these too, which are in root's ~/.bashrc by default, but commented out: |
| 15:10.26 | gnarface | alias rm='rm -i' |
| 15:10.26 | gnarface | alias cp='cp -i' |
| 15:10.26 | gnarface | alias mv='mv -i' |
| 15:10.31 | gnarface | (because i do stuff drunk a lot) |
| 15:12.20 | msiism | i have similar ones in there |
| 15:13.52 | msiism | maybe devuan should include a warning: don't use root when drunk. |
| 15:14.29 | gnarface | probably :) |
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| 15:45.58 | drawkula | :-) |
| 15:47.33 | EHeM | Hmm, I think the wording on the Devuan front page needs a bit of work. |
| 15:48.48 | EHeM | "In development" suggests major work is being done, expect a release in the distant future (>6mo); while "Coming soon" can be read to suggest imminent release (ie will take over stable in <3mo). |
| 15:49.32 | msiism | i agree, but that's all i can do about it. |
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| 15:52.55 | EHeM | Any speculation as to release dates for "Ascii"? Bit worrying how Debian released its equivalent 6 months ago (seems the cross-compilation tools got distinctly better). |
| 15:59.13 | msiism | yesterday, someone said approx at the beginning of next year, if i remember that right. |
| 15:59.56 | EHeM | crosses fingers. |
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| 21:56.03 | m3tti | hi there |
| 21:56.12 | AlexLikeRock | hi bot |
| 21:56.32 | m3tti | what bot why |
| 21:56.41 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
| 21:56.42 | AlexLikeRock | ask |
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| 21:57.43 | m3tti | what should i ask |
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| 21:58.19 | m3tti | just wanted to know how everything is going with the ascii release |
| 21:58.40 | blinkdog | What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? |
| 22:01.19 | vvande | depends on how fast it's going |
| 22:03.23 | m3tti | just asking cause i think its quite hard to get stuff working without systemd |
| 22:03.41 | m3tti | are you using eudev and stuff like that for devuan |
| 22:05.05 | KatolaZ | m3tti: have been using eudev for more than three months now |
| 22:05.06 | KatolaZ | on ascii |
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| 22:12.24 | blinkdog | m3tti: It depends on the "stuff". What do you want to get working? |
| 22:12.56 | m3tti | nothing just wanting to know what devuan is using |
| 22:13.07 | m3tti | i'm not affected that much by systemd |
| 22:13.22 | m3tti | i use xmonad and minor tools even no dm |
| 22:14.33 | KatolaZ | m3tti: jessie is still using the regular udev |
| 22:14.39 | KatolaZ | ascii will probably have audev |
| 22:14.43 | KatolaZ | ~eudev |
| 22:16.01 | m3tti | exit |
| 22:19.53 | NewGnuGuy | I recently saw this https://antixlinux.com/antix-17-released/ Was there any collaboration with Devuan on this or did they independently create a systemd-free eudev-using Debian-Stretch-based distro? |
| 22:21.08 | fsmithred | antix is independent of devuan. I think they use Adam Borowski's nosystemd packages, but I'm not certain of that. |
| 22:23.18 | NewGnuGuy | Is this something that Devuan can pull from and build upon? |
| 22:23.58 | KatolaZ | NewGnuGuy: they focus on a minimal set of packages, AFAICT |
| 22:25.20 | KatolaZ | they have support only for a few basic WM |
| 22:25.27 | KatolaZ | (which is not a bad thing, IMHO) |
| 22:25.35 | KatolaZ | (but is not "universal") |
| 22:26.54 | NewGnuGuy | I see |
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| 22:28.39 | NewGnuGuy | so they're focusing on basic window managers in favor of full desktop environments |
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| 22:28.59 | vvande | KDE works fine for me. |
| 22:29.24 | vvande | I've installed it on several Devuan boxen. |
| 22:29.35 | KatolaZ | NewGnuGuy: I have not tried it |
| 22:29.45 | KatolaZ | but this is what I learnt from their website |
| 22:29.55 | KatolaZ | it might be incomplete information, though |
| 22:30.03 | AlexLikeRock | kde 5 Works to me tooo |
| 22:30.14 | AlexLikeRock | on devuan migrated |
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| 22:37.23 | KatolaZ | AlexLikeRock: is that ascii? |
| 22:37.33 | AlexLikeRock | let me check ... |
| 22:38.23 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 22:39.45 | AlexLikeRock | only have systmd0 |
| 22:40.01 | AlexLikeRock | lol |
| 22:40.46 | KatolaZ | you mean libsystemd0 |
| 22:40.47 | AlexLikeRock | libsystemd-login0 libsystemd-daemon0 |
| 22:41.01 | AlexLikeRock | i dont delete , when migrate :-P |
| 22:41.03 | KatolaZ | but are you using only devuan repos? |
| 22:41.09 | AlexLikeRock | yes, |
| 22:41.15 | AlexLikeRock | only devuan repos |
| 22:42.44 | Xenguy | I'm enjoying mpv so far; had to spend some time memorizing the 'keyboard' section of the man page (very long man page too) |
| 22:42.48 | fsmithred | AlexLikeRock, was that a wheezy system that got upgraded to jessie? |
| 22:44.18 | AlexLikeRock | Xenguy, yes, its soo extenced the family ffmpeg and sons (mplayer , mpv, smplayer ) |
| 22:46.35 | AlexLikeRock | fsmithred, only remember , like this: jessie DEBIAN >>> jessie DEVUAN >>> ASCII devuan |
| 22:46.54 | AlexLikeRock | i dont rememeber if thet has whezzy fsmithred |
| 22:47.29 | fsmithred | I thought those were wheezy packages, but I just checked and they are in debian jessie. |
| 22:47.38 | fsmithred | you can remove them safely. |
| 22:48.07 | golinux | The question is . . . how did they get there? |
| 22:48.14 | AlexLikeRock | later , i dont wan a brake now :-P |
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| 22:48.23 | fsmithred | they got there when he installed debian |
| 22:48.36 | golinux | Yeah, just saw that . . . |
| 22:48.39 | fsmithred | they're probably marked for autoremoval |
| 22:49.10 | golinux | I thought he was trying to install something from debian a day or two ago |
| 22:49.35 | AlexLikeRock | I have been scolded a lot for experimenting with her |
| 22:49.53 | AlexLikeRock | i will consideration for a future |
| 22:49.57 | AlexLikeRock | tansk fsmithred |
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| 23:33.35 | Xenguy | Anybody know offhand if Jessie's version of Gajim supports OMEMO/encryption ? |
| 23:33.54 | AlexLikeRock | gajim... |
| 23:33.59 | Xenguy | Output is: Version: 0.16-1+deb8u1 |
| 23:34.06 | Xenguy | For gajim here |
| 23:34.28 | Xenguy | And web site says v16.6 is needed for the plugin, so maybe out of luck here |
| 23:34.56 | Xenguy | AlexLikeRock: XMPP client |
| 23:35.37 | NewGnuGuy | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gajim |
| 23:35.42 | Xenguy | I was just tipped that there's a new/better OTR to use with XMPP, for encryption |
| 23:35.53 | Xenguy | Called OMEMO |
| 23:36.01 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.06 | AlexLikeRock | or other ? |
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| 23:36.51 | Xenguy | AlexLikeRock: I think pidgin has an "experimental" plugin; so I am investigating gajim |
| 23:37.02 | AlexLikeRock | hoooo! |
| 23:37.07 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.55 | NewGnuGuy | AlexLikeRock: pidgin was called gaim before it was called pidgin iirc |
| 23:38.21 | Xenguy | thanks NewGnuGuy , I think maybe I would need to use backports |
| 23:38.30 | AlexLikeRock | NewGnuGuy, yes.. that its my confuced named |
| 23:38.35 | Xenguy | From what I can tell of that web site |
| 23:47.35 | KatolaZ | Xenguy: jessie-backports seems to have 0.16.6 |
| 23:49.02 | Xenguy | Sounds like a good path forward, thanks KatolaZ |
| 23:55.10 | AlexLikeRock | bye gnus |