IRC log for #devuan on 20171112

00:01.12MinceRcan Devuan run on a Banana Pi BPi-R2?
00:02.15blinkdogMinceR: Not sure, but parazyd would probably know. Maybe ask on #devuan-arm ?
00:03.10MinceRwill do
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04:33.18AlexLikeRockGNUs !  afternoon
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07:19.59AlexLikeRocknew translate ;  (Development) --->>   http://devuan-mx.org/os/desarollo/
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08:19.39vvandeIs there a difference between Debian and Devuan in how I create a RAID 1 using mdadm?
08:20.21vvandeI've got two fresh new disks, and the Debian instructions (very simple) do not work.
08:23.26vvandeThe entries that I'm using exist in /dev, ie /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc.
08:24.45vvandethe first error is "unrecognized component device /dev/sdb"
08:25.11vvandeand those are the device names reported by "fdisk -l"
08:26.10AlexLikeRock:-/
08:26.47gnarfaceonly thing that comes to mind is maybe the devices aren't loading in the order you expect
08:26.58gnarfacemaybe sdb is not the right device?
08:27.05gnarfacevvande: ^
08:27.43AlexLikeRock"gparted"  recognized ?
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08:38.31vvandethe devices are those reported by fdisk
08:39.12vvandethere are three hdds, one is used and booting - /dev/sdc
08:39.45vvandesorry, typo - boot disk is /dev/sda
08:40.13vvandethe new two came up as sdb and sdc, although not in that order by fdisk, but with those names
08:41.08AlexLikeRockso...
08:41.14AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
08:42.12vvande2
08:42.22AlexLikeRock2?!?!?
08:42.28Wonkahmm... I'd not use /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc directly for MD, I'd create a partition on each disk with the appropriate type so Linux auto-enables the RAID on boot...
08:42.39AlexLikeRockoh!
08:42.41vvandeno no, that was me tryhing to switch computers
08:43.03vvande<PROTECTED>
08:43.38vvandeWonka: ok, but the Debian instructions say specifically that it's not needed t do that
08:44.00blinkdogcan you link to the Debian instructions?
08:44.35vvandeI'm followint the Debian instructions EXACTLY  - link https://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID
08:45.51Wonkavvande: so you ran "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc" ?
08:46.05vvandeyes
08:46.21Wonkavvande: and the error message was "unrecognized component device /dev/sdb"?
08:46.29vvandeI figured the first instruction would give an error, so went on to the second.
08:46.40vvandeWonka yes
08:47.06Wonkainteresting -.-
08:47.38vvandewait, I'm a little off here, but on track. :)
08:47.52vvandethe error from what you said above is ..
08:48.42vvande"cannot open /dev/sdb no such device"
08:48.56WonkaO.o
08:49.13vvandeI mean "no such file or directory"
08:49.19Wonkado "cat /proc/partitions"
08:49.29vvande(I'm having issues switching between computers quickly) :)
08:49.37vvandewill do, hang on
08:49.38Wonkathat lists all block devices and partitions known to the kernel
08:50.20Wonkashould have lines like "   8       16   30728832 sdb
08:50.22Wonka"
08:50.42Wonkaalso, 8 32 $number sdc
08:50.50vvandeThat shows what I expect. All the sda bits, and then sdb and sdc
08:50.57Wonkahmm
08:51.16Wonka"ls -l /dev/sdb /dev/sdc"
08:51.23vvandeno details with sdb and sdc entries
08:51.31Wonkabrw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 Nov 12 09:34 /dev/sdb
08:51.47vvandeok hang on
08:52.39vvandeno result from that
08:52.48Wonkanow that's funny.
08:52.49vvandejust reiterating /sdb
08:53.25vvandeI rebooted after installing mdadm - just in case someting needed to load
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08:54.23Leander_have a look at https://www.considerednormal.com/2016/10/configuring-software-raid1-after-installation-of-ubuntu-16/
08:54.38vvandelooks :)
08:54.52Wonkavvande: does "grep devtmpfs /proc/mounts" output a line?
08:55.03Leander_if you receive the error messages after the --zero-superblock command, it's actually expected since your disks were empty
08:56.35Leander_(I think that, if it's the case, the tool is pretty bad at reporting the "error")
08:56.44Wonkavvande: you could create the /dev/ entries with "mknod -m 660 /dev/sdb b 8 16 ; mknod -m 660 /dev/sdc 8 32", but I don't know if they'd persist over a reboot.
08:56.48vvandeLeander_: yes I'd seen that one before. I note he is loading a whole bunch of modules. Also, I _do_ have two fresh disks for the RAID in addition to my existing booting disk.
08:57.24vvandeWonka: the /dev entries do already exist though /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc
08:57.39Leander_vvande: but you also get errors when trying to create the RAID1 ?
08:57.43Wonkavvande: hm okay...
08:57.59Wonkavvande: have you looked through `dmesg` if they're actually recognized
08:58.04vvandeI'm doing this as root too.
08:58.12vvandelooks at dmesg
08:59.03vvandenothing there since boot
08:59.23Wonkawell, _at_ boot there should have been something
08:59.50Wonkalike "sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk" but for sdb, sdc each
09:00.50vvandeyes, of course. I grepped those earlier, just to make sure the disks were there.
09:01.12vvandeI meant nothing added since last boot line.
09:01.22vvande:)
09:02.15Wonkaokay.
09:02.18Wonkastrange.
09:02.26Wonkatoo bad I have to leave - family...
09:02.31Wonkagood luck!
09:03.14vvandeWonka: thanks!
09:03.29vvandeI'll read some more and come back tomorrow. It's also late here.
09:03.35vvandethanks again to everybody here
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09:27.03AlexLikeRocktranslated to SPA  (source Code )  --->   http://devuan-mx.org/os/codigo-fuente/
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09:44.49AlexLikeRockgood  bye GNUs
09:44.59AlexLikeRockFreedoom!
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10:12.31jaromilque bueno
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12:52.54msiismare there any plans to include TDE packages (exe gnu/linux has them) in the ascii release?
13:20.07jaromilmsiism: not sure anyone has plans, but we'd welcome the initiative. a starting point would be to upload the source packages on git.devuan.org
13:21.53jaromilbut well I guess using their apt repos just works. no? https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall
13:24.18msiismjaromil: oh, i had forgotten about that. thanks for the reminder. i might try that sometime soon. unfortunately, the only thing i really know about packaging is that it's really complicated.
13:27.34msiism(i know that from trying to get through debian's packaging docs)
13:35.12gnarfaceit's actually designed to sound a lot more complicated than it really is
13:35.33gnarfacejust skip to chapter 6
13:36.48msiismgnarface: noted. thanks.
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13:42.19jaromili agree with gnarface :)
13:42.49jaromilassuming we are referring to the "new maintainer's guide"
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13:59.50msiismi'm having a strange problem with bash aliases on my system. the aliases i use are set in a system-wide file residing in /etc/bash_aliases. its contents are these: http://paste.debian.net/plain/995298
14:00.27msiismthe problem now is that on one of my user accounts, the first ls alias does not have any effect.
14:02.58msiismthere are no other ls aliases in the user's ~/.bash_aliases file. so the setting is not being overwritten by a per-user setting.
14:03.55msiismbut, if i do put "alias ls='ls -1 --color=auto'" into that users .bash_aliases, things work. that's strange.
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14:48.59gnarfacemsiism: check ~/.bashrc too
14:49.14gnarfacethere's some stock ones in there that are commented out by default...
14:49.22gnarfacemaybe yours are uncommented?
14:51.15msiismok, will check that. i just found out, that on that user account, the first line of the /etc/bash_aliases file is being completely ignored. not so on the other account.
14:52.06gnarfaceright above them there's also this line: if [[ "$TERM" != "dumb" ]]; then
14:52.21gnarfacewhich i recommend changing to: if [[ "$TERM" != "dumb" || "$EMACS" == "t" ]]; then
14:52.26gnarface(if you're an emacs fan)
14:53.21msiismalsways using nano on the cli
14:53.50gnarfaceand the latest ls in ceres does something changes behavior of files/directories listed with spaces in the names in a non-reverse-compatible way, but you can undo it with '-N'
14:54.24gnarfacei can understand why they changed it, but it's gonna break people's scripts
14:55.28gnarface(there's a corresponding setting to change in emacs to add ANSI color support but it may be off by default, just fyi)
14:56.05gnarfacenano doesn't even have a built-in terminal so it's immaterial there
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14:57.59msiismfound the culprit:  "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" in .bashrc.
15:00.06gnarfaceon my own systems, i often customize /etc/skel/.bashrc rather than changing /etc/bash_aliases
15:00.58msiismwhat's the merit?
15:02.06gnarfaceusers get created with the defaults i like, but if i need to make a user with more stripped-down behavior for any reason it's easier to undo than overriding the global setting
15:02.55gnarfaceit just depends on your style
15:03.35gnarfaceeasier to put individual users back to "stock" behavior that way
15:03.48msiismthat's interesting. can explain that a bit more?
15:04.22gnarfacethe /etc/skel directory is just the set of files that automatically get copied to a user's home directory on initial creation
15:04.33gnarfaceyou can put whatever you want in there
15:04.36gnarfacenew files too
15:05.04msiismok, so like an auotmation of copying the same .bash_aliases to every user's home
15:05.11gnarfaceyea
15:05.15msiismcool
15:05.26gnarfaceby default all that's in there is .bash_logout, .bashrc, and .profile
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15:06.08msiismright
15:06.25gnarfaceevery distro has slightly different ones, but i like the debian ones the best :)
15:06.52gnarfaceredhat ones break backspace key >:(
15:07.16gnarfacewell at least they used to
15:07.19gnarfaceit's been a while...
15:07.37gnarfacesince i used redhat
15:08.34msiismi've come to using aliases, remebering that suse has (or had) ll and la as a standard.
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15:09.31msiismsome computer science guy a fews years bask told be, these aliases were one of the things why he preferred suse. kind of funny...
15:10.23gnarfacei also usually add these too, which are in root's ~/.bashrc by default, but commented out:
15:10.26gnarfacealias rm='rm -i'
15:10.26gnarfacealias cp='cp -i'
15:10.26gnarfacealias mv='mv -i'
15:10.31gnarface(because i do stuff drunk a lot)
15:12.20msiismi have similar ones in there
15:13.52msiismmaybe devuan should include a warning: don't use root when drunk.
15:14.29gnarfaceprobably :)
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15:45.58drawkula:-)
15:47.33EHeMHmm, I think the wording on the Devuan front page needs a bit of work.
15:48.48EHeM"In development" suggests major work is being done, expect a release in the distant future (>6mo); while "Coming soon" can be read to suggest imminent release (ie will take over stable in <3mo).
15:49.32msiismi agree, but that's all i can do about it.
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15:52.55EHeMAny speculation as to release dates for "Ascii"?  Bit worrying how Debian released its equivalent 6 months ago (seems the cross-compilation tools got distinctly better).
15:59.13msiismyesterday, someone said approx at the beginning of next year, if i remember that right.
15:59.56EHeMcrosses fingers.
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21:56.03m3ttihi there
21:56.12AlexLikeRockhi bot
21:56.32m3ttiwhat bot why
21:56.41AlexLikeRock:)
21:56.42AlexLikeRockask
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21:57.43m3ttiwhat should i ask
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21:58.19m3ttijust wanted to know how everything is going with the ascii release
21:58.40blinkdogWhat is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
22:01.19vvandedepends on how fast it's going
22:03.23m3ttijust asking cause i think its quite hard to get stuff working without systemd
22:03.41m3ttiare you using eudev and stuff like that for devuan
22:05.05KatolaZm3tti: have been using eudev for more than three months now
22:05.06KatolaZon ascii
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22:12.24blinkdogm3tti: It depends on the "stuff". What do you want to get working?
22:12.56m3ttinothing just wanting to know what devuan is using
22:13.07m3ttii'm not affected that much by systemd
22:13.22m3ttii use xmonad and minor tools even no dm
22:14.33KatolaZm3tti: jessie is still using the regular udev
22:14.39KatolaZascii will probably have audev
22:14.43KatolaZ~eudev
22:16.01m3ttiexit
22:19.53NewGnuGuyI recently saw this https://antixlinux.com/antix-17-released/ Was there any collaboration with Devuan on this or did they independently create a systemd-free eudev-using Debian-Stretch-based distro?
22:21.08fsmithredantix is independent of devuan. I think they use Adam Borowski's nosystemd packages, but I'm not certain of that.
22:23.18NewGnuGuyIs this something that Devuan can pull from and build upon?
22:23.58KatolaZNewGnuGuy: they focus on a minimal set of packages, AFAICT
22:25.20KatolaZthey have support only for a few basic WM
22:25.27KatolaZ(which is not a bad thing, IMHO)
22:25.35KatolaZ(but is not "universal")
22:26.54NewGnuGuyI see
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22:28.39NewGnuGuyso they're focusing on basic window managers in favor of full desktop environments
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22:28.59vvandeKDE works fine for me.
22:29.24vvandeI've installed it on several Devuan boxen.
22:29.35KatolaZNewGnuGuy: I have not tried it
22:29.45KatolaZbut this is what I learnt from their website
22:29.55KatolaZit might be incomplete information, though
22:30.03AlexLikeRockkde 5  Works to me  tooo
22:30.14AlexLikeRockon devuan migrated
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22:37.23KatolaZAlexLikeRock: is that ascii?
22:37.33AlexLikeRocklet me check ...
22:38.23AlexLikeRockyes
22:39.45AlexLikeRockonly  have systmd0
22:40.01AlexLikeRocklol
22:40.46KatolaZyou mean libsystemd0
22:40.47AlexLikeRocklibsystemd-login0    libsystemd-daemon0
22:41.01AlexLikeRocki dont  delete  , when migrate :-P
22:41.03KatolaZbut are you using only devuan repos?
22:41.09AlexLikeRockyes,
22:41.15AlexLikeRockonly devuan repos
22:42.44XenguyI'm enjoying mpv so far; had to spend some time memorizing the 'keyboard' section of the man page (very long man page too)
22:42.48fsmithredAlexLikeRock, was that a wheezy system that got upgraded to jessie?
22:44.18AlexLikeRockXenguy,   yes, its soo extenced  the family ffmpeg and sons (mplayer  , mpv, smplayer )
22:46.35AlexLikeRockfsmithred,   only remember , like this: jessie  DEBIAN >>> jessie  DEVUAN >>>  ASCII devuan
22:46.54AlexLikeRocki dont  rememeber if thet has  whezzy    fsmithred
22:47.29fsmithredI thought those were wheezy packages, but I just checked and they are in debian jessie.
22:47.38fsmithredyou can remove them safely.
22:48.07golinuxThe question is . . . how did they get there?
22:48.14AlexLikeRocklater ,  i dont  wan a brake  now :-P
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22:48.23fsmithredthey got there when he installed debian
22:48.36golinuxYeah, just saw that . . .
22:48.39fsmithredthey're probably marked for autoremoval
22:49.10golinuxI thought he was trying to install something from debian a day or two ago
22:49.35AlexLikeRockI have been scolded a lot for experimenting with her
22:49.53AlexLikeRocki will consideration for a future
22:49.57AlexLikeRocktansk fsmithred
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23:33.35XenguyAnybody know offhand if Jessie's version of Gajim supports OMEMO/encryption ?
23:33.54AlexLikeRockgajim...
23:33.59XenguyOutput is:  Version: 0.16-1+deb8u1
23:34.06XenguyFor gajim here
23:34.28XenguyAnd web site says v16.6 is needed for the plugin, so maybe out of luck here
23:34.56XenguyAlexLikeRock: XMPP client
23:35.37NewGnuGuyhttps://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gajim
23:35.42XenguyI was just tipped that there's a new/better OTR to use with XMPP, for encryption
23:35.53XenguyCalled OMEMO
23:36.01AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
23:36.06AlexLikeRockor other ?
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23:36.51XenguyAlexLikeRock: I think pidgin has an "experimental" plugin; so I am investigating gajim
23:37.02AlexLikeRockhoooo!
23:37.07AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
23:37.55NewGnuGuyAlexLikeRock: pidgin was called gaim before it was called pidgin iirc
23:38.21Xenguythanks NewGnuGuy , I think maybe I would need to use backports
23:38.30AlexLikeRockNewGnuGuy,   yes..  that its my confuced named
23:38.35XenguyFrom what I can tell of that web site
23:47.35KatolaZXenguy: jessie-backports seems to have 0.16.6
23:49.02XenguySounds like a good path forward, thanks KatolaZ
23:55.10AlexLikeRockbye gnus

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