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| 00:24.18 | nacelle | the installer could use a delete for the partitions |
| 00:24.25 | nacelle | cant figure out how to do even that in it |
| 00:25.18 | fsmithred | nacelle, you talking about the debian-installer or the one in the live iso? |
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| 00:27.49 | AlexLikeRock_ | i use DEVUAN-LIVE minimalistic and edit partitiones nacelle |
| 00:28.10 | AlexLikeRock_ | !spam |
| 00:28.10 | infobot | [spam] probably a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) and razor. |
| 00:28.36 | AlexLikeRock_ | many accounds with @gateway/shell/matrix.org/ |
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| 00:30.25 | gnarface | hey AlexLikeRock_ did anyone tell you how to edit the bot? |
| 00:30.45 | AlexLikeRock_ | no |
| 00:31.00 | AlexLikeRock_ | only DocScrutinizer05 edit him |
| 00:31.23 | gnarface | yea, actually it turns out he got quite hostile at that suggestion |
| 00:31.30 | gnarface | he pointed out !factoid |
| 00:31.36 | gnarface | (the factoid that tells you how to edit factoids) |
| 00:31.38 | AlexLikeRock_ | yep |
| 00:31.44 | gnarface | apparently anyone can do it, he was just the only one who knew how |
| 00:32.29 | gnarface | so anyone in any channel can edit it, and if we don't override what they put in with a #devuan specific namespace, we're just stuck with whoever's defaults |
| 00:32.40 | gnarface | that explains the quality issues at least |
| 00:37.48 | nacelle | fsmithred: the debian installer |
| 00:38.02 | nacelle | i've not tried the live iso |
| 00:38.55 | gnarface | nacelle: try it in expert mode (just to be sure), and when you get to the partitioning step select "manual partitioning" - the other options ("automatic" and "guided", i think?) aren't as flexible. |
| 00:39.29 | nacelle | I did |
| 00:39.40 | gnarface | hmm. you definitely should be able to delete partitions in there. |
| 00:39.52 | nacelle | its confusing to me too |
| 00:40.05 | gnarface | this is the jessie netinstall you're using? |
| 00:40.08 | nacelle | I ended up booting centos 6, doing the dirty work for my partitions, then booting devuan 1 and going to town |
| 00:40.13 | nacelle | dvd |
| 00:40.16 | gnarface | oh |
| 00:40.16 | nacelle | (iso in a vm) |
| 00:40.19 | gnarface | well, whatever works |
| 00:40.42 | gnarface | you can also do it from a livecd with gparted |
| 00:42.01 | fsmithred | you can do manual partitioning in the regular install |
| 00:42.22 | fsmithred | highlight the partition you want to delete, and there shoud be an option to delete it at the bottom. |
| 00:43.01 | fsmithred | if you want to do encryption or lvm, it gets more complicated and non-intuitive |
| 00:49.43 | nacelle | ah its buried over in lvm stuff |
| 00:49.45 | nacelle | no wonder |
| 00:49.59 | nacelle | ill have to redink with it |
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| 00:56.18 | fsmithred | no, deleting a partition is not buried in lvm |
| 00:56.36 | Xenguy | It shouldn't be, that's for sure |
| 00:56.56 | fsmithred | it's near the bottom of the screen when you highlight a partition |
| 00:57.06 | fsmithred | after you select a drive |
| 00:57.10 | fsmithred | by highlighting it |
| 00:57.37 | fsmithred | I guess you click on it if you're using the graphical installer |
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| 05:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | !+uptime |
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| 05:35.03 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 05:41.02 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 05:46.55 | Xenguy | !spam |
| 05:46.55 | infobot | it has been said that spam is probably a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) and razor. |
| 05:47.43 | Xenguy | Interesting definition ;) |
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| 07:19.55 | enyc | hrrm |
| 07:20.21 | enyc | interested in an updated status of devuan ascii =) |
| 07:20.31 | enyc | systemd-dependencies still there yorypackages not updated sort of thing? |
| 07:20.53 | enyc | how much of a sowstopper is it for a desktop with lightweight deakstop e.g. try MATE desktop or something? |
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| 07:51.43 | Xenguy | MATE works nicely |
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| 11:39.25 | nailyk | hi. Is the devuan v9 iso avaiable somewhere please? |
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| 11:43.28 | gnarface | nailyk: just upgrade from jessie |
| 11:43.37 | nailyk | oh ok |
| 11:43.43 | nailyk | will try with deboostrap then |
| 11:43.58 | gnarface | that might work but there was issues with some packages |
| 11:44.03 | gnarface | i dunno if they're fixed yet |
| 11:44.23 | gnarface | a couple weeks ago there was a problem with fdisk and rsyslogd in ascii not working with debootstrap |
| 11:45.05 | gnarface | (fdisk you can just exclude, rsyslogd you need to exclude and also replace with another syslog daemon, i recommend using syslog-ng then just replacing it with rsyslogd again afterwards ) |
| 11:45.32 | gnarface | as far as i know there's no ascii installer yet |
| 11:46.05 | fsmithred | debootstrap works now |
| 11:46.19 | gnarface | oh good |
| 11:46.23 | fsmithred | rsyslog was fixed |
| 11:46.28 | nailyk | thanks will try |
| 11:46.50 | gnarface | nailyk: (also just to be pedantic, it's devuan v2, even though it corresponds to debian v9) |
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| 11:47.27 | nailyk | didn't find the number ;) |
| 11:47.30 | gnarface | i'm just mentioning it because i keep getting corrected about that |
| 11:50.39 | fsmithred | not sure if you still need to exclude alsa-base |
| 11:51.00 | fsmithred | I ran live-sdk recently, which uses debootstrap |
| 11:51.24 | fsmithred | and still had alsa-base excluded. |
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| 13:21.20 | fsmithred | aitor, hi |
| 13:21.23 | aitor | *as far as i know there's no ascii installer yet* - gnarface |
| 13:21.32 | aitor | gnarface: i can work on that |
| 13:21.36 | fsmithred | nope. no installer isos. |
| 13:21.36 | aitor | hi, fsmithred |
| 13:22.06 | fsmithred | I'm trying to build a live iso with d-i. Using live-build. Getting an error in the installer about missing modules. |
| 13:22.29 | fsmithred | any idea how to fix that? |
| 13:22.52 | fsmithred | installer is using a kernel from last june, I think |
| 13:22.59 | fsmithred | deb8u2 |
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| 13:23.15 | aitor | i don't build the installer with live-build |
| 13:23.34 | aitor | my way is the same included in the live-sdk |
| 13:23.44 | fsmithred | how did you do it before live-sdk? |
| 13:23.59 | aitor | i can do the same for ascii, i built an iso months ago and worked |
| 13:24.17 | aitor | the same way, but manually |
| 13:24.26 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 13:24.34 | aitor | exactly the same way |
| 13:25.50 | aitor | i had some scattered pieces of code for that, before working on the live-sdk |
| 13:26.18 | fsmithred | how can I learn how to do that? |
| 13:27.10 | aitor | you have the code in the blend of gnuinos-openbox, all the code of d-i is there |
| 13:28.28 | aitor | add the line "apt-get -f install" after the installation of the extra packages, otherwixse grub-installer will fail due to broken packages or unconfigured packages |
| 13:28.40 | aitor | otherwise* |
| 13:29.54 | aitor | i want to finish the tint2lancher in a few days and publish the stable releases of gnuinos 2 with vdev |
| 13:32.00 | aitor | fsmithred: need to go, time to work |
| 13:32.06 | fsmithred | ok, bye |
| 13:32.10 | aitor | see you later :) |
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| 18:58.06 | DarkUranium | does anyone know of a good, cheap VPS with at least 2GB RAM? One that offers Devuan (well, or custom OS images --- that works, too) |
| 18:58.48 | DarkUranium | can't find anyone that has Devuan *or* custom images <_< |
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| 19:17.27 | furrywolf | linode |
| 19:17.58 | furrywolf | they do not offer a devuan image, but you can install debian and switch, or do a custom image, although I do not know how. |
| 19:19.31 | DarkUranium | furrywolf, I can find Debian easily. |
| 19:19.36 | DarkUranium | but I really, *REALLY* don't want systemd. |
| 19:20.18 | DarkUranium | kind of a shame ... I actually found a host for $1.49 / month, but they only offer CentOS / Ubuntu / Debian / OpenSUSE and, uh ... I think it was Fedora |
| 19:20.32 | DarkUranium | sorry, â¬1.49 |
| 19:20.53 | DarkUranium | it was. Plus Scientific Linux. |
| 19:21.28 | DarkUranium | actually, does Ubuntu use systemd? |
| 19:21.29 | DarkUranium | goes ask |
| 19:22.17 | golinux | The dev1galaxy forum started on a Debian VPS that we switched to Devuan without a hitch. |
| 19:22.32 | zer0def | DarkUranium: yes, it does |
| 19:22.38 | DarkUranium | dang |
| 19:22.48 | DarkUranium | golinux, how did you do that? via the package manager? |
| 19:22.49 | golinux | Of course. |
| 19:22.58 | DarkUranium | hmm. |
| 19:23.02 | DarkUranium | that might be a solution! |
| 19:23.09 | golinux | Ask Chanku if you can find him |
| 19:23.20 | DarkUranium | ask him about what, specifically? |
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| 19:27.54 | golinux | Can't remember whether he did a fresh install or a debian > devuan upgrade |
| 19:28.32 | DarkUranium | yeah, some VPSes don't even offer custom image fresh installs, you see. |
| 19:28.44 | DarkUranium | otherwise, I would've just done that |
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| 19:32.39 | golinux | He did it on Cloud @ Cost. Cheap but not very reliable |
| 19:33.35 | DarkUranium | bit of downtime is fine, as long as we're not talking data loss. |
| 19:33.43 | DarkUranium | (it's for dev purposes that I need the server for) |
| 19:34.20 | golinux | They have black friday specials. |
| 19:34.26 | DarkUranium | ha |
| 19:34.31 | DarkUranium | I can't even find that host, though |
| 19:34.36 | DarkUranium | all I get is google cloud results <_< |
| 19:34.36 | golinux | That's when we signed up last year |
| 19:34.49 | DarkUranium | oh yeah, I'd also like for it to be in Europe, unless the price is *REAAAALLY* cheap compared |
| 19:34.54 | DarkUranium | sorry, I forgot to mention that. |
| 19:34.59 | DarkUranium | (it's because all the devs are here, so ...) |
| 19:35.08 | golinux | Try Cloudatcost |
| 19:36.03 | DarkUranium | this is the cheap one I found, BTW: https://www.hostens.com/vps-hosting/ |
| 19:36.17 | DarkUranium | okay, it's only â¬1.50 if I pay for a year, but at that price, meh. |
| 19:37.16 | DarkUranium | why do they mean by "one time" payments? |
| 19:37.59 | golinux | It's a bait and switch |
| 19:38.34 | DarkUranium | yeah, exactly |
| 19:38.34 | golinux | I think I pad something like $35 but now they want to extract $7 a year after that. |
| 19:38.47 | DarkUranium | eh, screw that |
| 19:38.54 | golinux | But is is cheap. |
| 19:39.19 | DarkUranium | the one I've linked is cheaper |
| 19:39.34 | DarkUranium | $35 a year or whatever is quite expensive |
| 19:39.45 | DarkUranium | and I'm not playing stupid bait and switch games out of principle. |
| 19:40.16 | DarkUranium | sorry, $140 (I did say I needed 2GB RAM) |
| 19:40.21 | DarkUranium | (well, 1.5, but y'know) |
| 19:40.32 | golinux | Well I didn't know that when I signed up. |
| 19:41.20 | DarkUranium | but now you do |
| 19:41.23 | DarkUranium | and now I do |
| 19:41.26 | DarkUranium | and I ain't playin' that! |
| 19:41.57 | DarkUranium | A curious game. The only winning move is not to play. |
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| 19:45.18 | m3tti | hi is it ok for someone to use devuan testing??? |
| 19:45.47 | m3tti | i want to have a stable system :( so i guess it is not a good idea to use ascii right now |
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| 19:47.17 | KatolaZ | m3tti: define "stable" |
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| 19:47.47 | KatolaZ | if you need a distribution labelled "stable" then ascii is not your man, since it has not been released yet |
| 19:48.27 | m3tti | i rely on my mashine for development purposes |
| 19:48.54 | m3tti | and i dont want that a upgrade will kill my mashine and drive it unusable |
| 19:48.59 | golinux | DarkUranium: Q: Why am I being charged this yearly fee, my packages all say one time? |
| 19:48.59 | golinux | A: This fee is not the same as your package setup fee, which is why it is not affected by the number of packages that you have purchased. This is a maintenance fee, that will go towards hardware replacement, as well as assist with the purchase of new hardware, which will improve performance and reliability. |
| 19:49.11 | KatolaZ | m3tti: define "development purposes" |
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| 19:49.16 | golinux | Devil is in the details |
| 19:49.30 | KatolaZ | I have been using ascii for about 7 months now |
| 19:49.34 | KatolaZ | without a single problem |
| 19:49.57 | m3tti | KatolaZ: that sounds great |
| 19:50.04 | KatolaZ | and I am not alone |
| 19:50.18 | KatolaZ | you would be surprised to know how many servers out there are using ascii |
| 19:50.27 | KatolaZ | but there are glitches nevertheless |
| 19:50.30 | m3tti | i'm a developer and develop a lot of stuff for work and thats why i need a working mashine all the time |
| 19:50.49 | KatolaZ | yes, but you can be a developer in many different ways :) |
| 19:50.57 | m3tti | :D |
| 19:51.00 | KatolaZ | (read: using more or less complicated environment) |
| 19:51.07 | KatolaZ | (complicated -> cluttered) |
| 19:51.24 | KatolaZ | I mean, there are still glitches with some desktop environments |
| 19:51.30 | KatolaZ | mainly due to logind |
| 19:51.48 | m3tti | i dont use desktop environments |
| 19:51.50 | KatolaZ | but none of those should be a show-stopper for a dev |
| 19:51.55 | KatolaZ | ok, then you are fine |
| 19:52.01 | m3tti | i'm a window manager type of guy |
| 19:52.11 | m3tti | currently rio |
| 19:52.40 | m3tti | yeah i know plan 9 fetish |
| 19:52.44 | m3tti | :D |
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| 19:53.51 | KatolaZ | apt-cache search -n "^9" |
| 19:53.51 | KatolaZ | 9base - Plan 9 userland tools |
| 19:53.51 | KatolaZ | 9menu - Creates X menus from the shell |
| 19:53.51 | KatolaZ | 9mount - plan9 filesystem (v9fs) user mount utilities |
| 19:53.51 | KatolaZ | 9wm - X11 window manager inspired by Plan 9's rio |
| 19:53.54 | KatolaZ | $ |
| 19:54.10 | KatolaZ | well, that stuff has been there for ages, right? :) |
| 19:54.16 | m3tti | i've compiled the plan9port |
| 19:54.23 | m3tti | yes |
| 19:54.25 | m3tti | XD |
| 19:54.28 | KatolaZ | I am pretty sure 9base is not infected by systemd |
| 19:54.29 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 19:54.37 | m3tti | guess so to |
| 19:54.41 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
| 19:54.50 | KatolaZ | well, you never know... |
| 19:54.54 | m3tti | don't talk about systemd :D |
| 19:55.35 | KatolaZ | m3tti: are you on Debian now? |
| 19:55.42 | m3tti | i hope you guys will keep up the great work to keep the lovely debian landscape systemd free |
| 19:55.50 | m3tti | no devuan jessie |
| 19:55.54 | KatolaZ | oh ok |
| 19:56.00 | KatolaZ | then just dist-upgrade to ascii |
| 19:56.02 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 19:56.09 | m3tti | i'll do |
| 19:56.15 | KatolaZ | and maybe use the new pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 19:56.19 | KatolaZ | as a mirror |
| 19:56.29 | speedocudo | m3tti: what kind of dev you are m3tti? |
| 19:56.59 | speedocudo | asking cuz you don't feel the need for DE's |
| 19:57.02 | m3tti | for working purposes node and react |
| 19:57.14 | speedocudo | aha |
| 19:57.16 | m3tti | and in my spare time scheme |
| 19:57.33 | m3tti | lisp and clojure |
| 19:57.45 | KatolaZ | speedocudo: what do you need a DE for, if you are a dev? :D |
| 19:57.51 | KatolaZ | is trolling |
| 19:57.56 | speedocudo | :)) |
| 19:58.00 | m3tti | i use acme right now |
| 19:58.01 | m3tti | XD |
| 19:58.05 | m3tti | as an editor |
| 19:58.15 | m3tti | rob pike has infected me |
| 19:58.31 | m3tti | formerly i was using emacs than vi |
| 19:58.33 | m3tti | and now acme |
| 20:00.48 | speedocudo | KatolaZ: i need a code folder, debugger, unit tester, code refactoring and inspection tools, UML generating tools. Kinda hard on a headless system |
| 20:00.50 | DusXMT | finds the Gnome virtual filesystem useful, allows me to plug my phone into my computer and Caja (mate's browser) recognizes it and mounts it; it can also mount SMB shares, like my "school drive" |
| 20:01.12 | KatolaZ | speedocudo: you would be surprised by how much of that you actually get on the devuan minimal-live :) |
| 20:01.13 | DusXMT | (I guess fuse could also work with those things, but sometimes, life is simpler with a de) |
| 20:01.33 | KatolaZ | and we are not talking of headless, rather of DE-less |
| 20:01.37 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:01.53 | speedocudo | KatolaZ: i thought it was the same |
| 20:01.55 | m3tti | desktop is something full fledged |
| 20:01.56 | KatolaZ | actually, you can have all of them in one single tool |
| 20:02.03 | m3tti | like gnome and kde |
| 20:02.03 | speedocudo | tmux? |
| 20:02.12 | KatolaZ | speedocudo: headless originally meant "without a graphical console attached" |
| 20:02.16 | m3tti | windowmanager means openbox |
| 20:02.20 | m3tti | or fluxbox |
| 20:02.26 | m3tti | or dwm |
| 20:02.26 | DusXMT | fvwm :3 |
| 20:02.33 | speedocudo | KatolaZ: ahh I meant DE-less of course |
| 20:02.35 | KatolaZ | speedocudo: you can get most of those inside emacs, BTW :) |
| 20:02.47 | KatolaZ | runs away |
| 20:02.53 | speedocudo | KatolaZ: that's just so painful :))) |
| 20:02.57 | KatolaZ | no speedocudo |
| 20:03.03 | m3tti | no speedocudo |
| 20:03.04 | KatolaZ | is just so obvious ;) |
| 20:03.09 | DusXMT | has a distaste for overly-integrating everything into a single blob |
| 20:03.18 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: emacs is not a bol |
| 20:03.20 | m3tti | acme has all this stuff to |
| 20:03.21 | KatolaZ | blob |
| 20:03.28 | KatolaZ | it's a cluster of blobs :) |
| 20:03.34 | KatolaZ | (and I actually love it) |
| 20:03.39 | KatolaZ | :P |
| 20:03.43 | speedocudo | can't tell whether you guys trolling or not |
| 20:03.49 | speedocudo | :) |
| 20:03.50 | DusXMT | And that's great :) (that you like it) |
| 20:03.52 | m3tti | no trolling |
| 20:03.57 | m3tti | i love my acme |
| 20:03.57 | KatolaZ | that's very good speedocudo |
| 20:04.01 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:04.01 | m3tti | and i love vi |
| 20:04.13 | DusXMT | vi is my trusty companion as well |
| 20:04.21 | KatolaZ | I normally use everything from ed, to vi, to vim, to emacs |
| 20:04.32 | m3tti | never used ed |
| 20:04.37 | speedocudo | i love vim as well. the bindings. Oh they are great. |
| 20:04.38 | DusXMT | tried to learn to use emacs, like, 3 times? |
| 20:04.43 | speedocudo | but it's not an IDE |
| 20:04.48 | m3tti | but it should be the one and true editor |
| 20:04.56 | DusXMT | All I wanted was to write code... but the editor wouldn't let me... *sniffs* |
| 20:04.57 | KatolaZ | emacs can be an IDE speedocudo, if you want |
| 20:05.15 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: :D |
| 20:05.34 | speedocudo | those editors like emacs, vim etc. needs to be hacked around just to have the things that i just mentioned |
| 20:05.42 | m3tti | you only need an ide for complex systems |
| 20:05.53 | speedocudo | It's not designed to be a full fledged IDE |
| 20:06.02 | KatolaZ | has been playing with complex systems for long, and never needed an IDE |
| 20:06.04 | DusXMT | KatolaZ: That's my experience with emacs in a nutshell: why on earth am I doing this to myself? I could code so much faster... |
| 20:06.16 | KatolaZ | (I admit the last one is quite hard to understand :D) |
| 20:06.29 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: it's just legend |
| 20:06.50 | DusXMT | speedocudo: emacs is the ultimate IDE, since you can make whatever you please of it; it is infinitely customisable |
| 20:06.58 | KatolaZ | if you need to do with vim the same things you do with emacs, you end up using similarly long combinations of keystrokes |
| 20:07.17 | KatolaZ | and again, I use both |
| 20:07.23 | parazyd | it stops here |
| 20:07.24 | parazyd | https://sanctum.geek.nz/arabesque/series/unix-as-ide/ |
| 20:07.43 | KatolaZ | ahahahah |
| 20:07.52 | KatolaZ | I was actually looking for that link, parazyd :D |
| 20:07.56 | speedocudo | KatolaZ: oh yeah? What about Java EE. Can you use that stuff with Java ee projects and deploy it to a java ee aplication server? |
| 20:08.03 | parazyd | of course you were |
| 20:08.14 | KatolaZ | parazyd: you spoiled me :P |
| 20:08.17 | parazyd | lol |
| 20:08.28 | KatolaZ | speedocudo: java is not developing |
| 20:08.29 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 20:08.38 | KatolaZ | (I am trolling here) |
| 20:08.45 | DusXMT | speedocudo: Of course, if you can figure out the command sequences needed to generate the correct files, you could easily write a module to handle it |
| 20:09.08 | speedocudo | KatolaZ: :)) |
| 20:09.19 | DusXMT | prefers the "unix as an ide" ideology though |
| 20:09.21 | speedocudo | DusMXT: HAHAHAHAHAH |
| 20:09.37 | DusXMT | speedocudo: :) |
| 20:10.01 | KatolaZ | those old aunties had got it right since from the beginning |
| 20:10.03 | DusXMT | I don't use emacs, because it doesn't fit my way of doing things, but I know its strengths |
| 20:10.05 | KatolaZ | there is nothing to add |
| 20:10.23 | KatolaZ | we are just toddlers, in comparison |
| 20:10.29 | parazyd | likes to make fun of people recommending spacemacs |
| 20:10.35 | KatolaZ | ahahahahhahahah |
| 20:10.45 | parazyd | i mean, why would you want to make your emacs behave like vim? couldn't you just use vim then? |
| 20:10.55 | KatolaZ | that's my point |
| 20:11.02 | KatolaZ | I use vim when I am in "vim-mode" |
| 20:11.09 | KatolaZ | ~vim-mood |
| 20:11.09 | DusXMT | parazyd: extensibility via emacs-lisp |
| 20:11.15 | KatolaZ | then use emacs when in emacs-mood |
| 20:11.18 | parazyd | pfft |
| 20:11.21 | DusXMT | Of course, vim has plugins too |
| 20:11.26 | KatolaZ | then ed :) |
| 20:11.33 | DusXMT | uses nvi, the bug-to-bug re-implementation of vi :3 |
| 20:11.35 | KatolaZ | the more you know, the better you get that none is perfect |
| 20:11.58 | KatolaZ | (but emacs is still the closest approximation to it :P) |
| 20:12.04 | KatolaZ | anyway, |
| 20:12.06 | KatolaZ | gotta go |
| 20:12.08 | KatolaZ | o/ |
| 20:12.08 | DusXMT | writing in ed feels a lot like writing on paper... |
| 20:12.14 | parazyd | KatolaZ: fun fact. ed.c from suckless sbase was written using ed |
| 20:12.24 | KatolaZ | yes parazyd , I know |
| 20:12.28 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:13.01 | KatolaZ | that's actually awesome |
| 20:13.05 | KatolaZ | and small as well |
| 20:13.12 | KatolaZ | we need to use more suckless stuff |
| 20:13.21 | KatolaZ | the world would be a better place if everybody didi |
| 20:13.24 | KatolaZ | ~did |
| 20:13.25 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:14.00 | DusXMT | I'm kinda curious if I could eventually get a package of mine into devuan? :) It's just a little thing, https://github.com/dusxmt/nxbelld , I'd still like to make a handful of small tweaks beforehand though |
| 20:14.02 | parazyd | plan9port is pretty good too |
| 20:14.31 | parazyd | DusXMT: you can get it in experimental just by requesting i guess |
| 20:15.16 | DusXMT | parazyd: Neat :) How does one go on with that? |
| 20:15.40 | parazyd | i'd say it's best to send an email to devuan-dev@ |
| 20:15.46 | DusXMT | Okay, thank you :) |
| 20:16.04 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: is that already packaged? |
| 20:16.24 | KatolaZ | (I mean, is it already debian-ised?) |
| 20:16.24 | DusXMT | KatolaZ: No, but it uses the GNU Build System, so it should be trivial to package |
| 20:16.28 | parazyd | note to self: template for package inclusion requests |
| 20:17.19 | speedocudo | to be OT: what's your guys' recommended method of installing devuan? refracta or debootstrap? I am about to install devuan on a fully wiped system. |
| 20:17.20 | parazyd | (and yes, this just echoed this line to a file in $HOME :p) |
| 20:18.04 | KatolaZ | speedocudo: use the install isos? |
| 20:18.11 | DusXMT | speedocudo: We have our own installer image, but debootstrap works well enough |
| 20:18.13 | KatolaZ | like, the netinst? |
| 20:18.26 | DusXMT | *images |
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| 20:18.41 | KatolaZ | bbl |
| 20:18.42 | KatolaZ | o/ |
| 20:18.52 | parazyd | debootsstrap gives way more control |
| 20:19.26 | speedocudo | will I be prompted to choose a DE on the install iso? |
| 20:19.29 | DusXMT | indeed, eg. I used it to get this system set up since I needed a newer kernel for btrfs |
| 20:19.39 | parazyd | speedocudo: yes |
| 20:20.39 | speedocudo | I am a java dev. I need to make sure everything is stable. Do you still recommend me to upgrade to ascii? |
| 20:21.19 | parazyd | depends. this is a period where it could be prone to breakage since we're working on releasing it as stable |
| 20:21.30 | DusXMT | speedocudo: Oh, if you want to _upgrade_, then you just need to change the release name in /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:21.38 | parazyd | if you wait for 1-2 months, then it will be very safe to upgrade |
| 20:22.26 | speedocudo | thanks. I'll just wait for ascii becoming full stable then |
| 20:22.33 | speedocudo | to become* |
| 20:22.51 | DusXMT | 1-2 months? That makes ascii the perfect christmas gift :) |
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| 20:22.58 | parazyd | yep ;) |
| 20:23.02 | speedocudo | :) |
| 20:23.02 | DusXMT | Thank you all for making this possible :) |
| 20:23.18 | parazyd | :)) |
| 20:23.27 | parazyd | it's very enjoyable |
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