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| 00:20.54 | phleagol | Firefox will soon be requiring pulseaudio to install. So I ask, has Devuan managed to debloat their firefox? |
| 00:20.57 | phleagol | Not a fan of pulseaudio... |
| 00:22.57 | gnarface | phleagol: there's was a firefox-esr package that didn't require it |
| 00:23.05 | gnarface | i don't know if it's still that way, but worth checking |
| 00:23.43 | fsmithred | when you get to that version, you can install apulse. It's in experimental. |
| 00:26.53 | phleagol | Yeah, I have that firefox-esr on hold. |
| 00:27.01 | phleagol | Yes, Iv heard about apulse. Would I need to compile firefox for that? As the firefox in repos would demand pulseaudio. |
| 00:27.26 | fsmithred | no, just 'apt-get -t experimental install apulse' |
| 00:27.38 | fsmithred | after you add exp to sources |
| 00:29.14 | phleagol | ty |
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| 03:36.38 | marulo | Some alternative text DM? |
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| 08:18.21 | aitor | moin moin |
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| 08:39.07 | aitor | i replaced the line: |
| 08:39.19 | aitor | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 08:39.34 | aitor | in the live-sdk, by this other one: |
| 08:39.36 | aitor | yes | find /home/ -type f -name "*.deb" -exec dpkg --force-depends -i {} \+ |
| 08:40.10 | aitor | in order to avoid the "apt-get -f install" for the extra packages |
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| 09:06.57 | aitor | here you are the sources and the generated iso: |
| 09:06.59 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/Gnuinos%202.00%20Jessie%20Openbox/ |
| 09:07.22 | aitor | i forgot the *mesa-utils* package |
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| 09:09.08 | aitor | it uses vdev and a gvfs without libsystemd0 |
| 09:10.42 | aitor | i need to rebuild simple-netaid because debconf asks some questions to the user during its installation, so it doesn't work in the live-sdk |
| 09:13.00 | aitor | i'll use the same trick used with the vdev-assistant: during the installation of a package within the live-sdk no proccess is detected; if so, the questions will be skipped |
| 09:14.05 | aitor | coffee :) |
| 09:14.07 | aitor | bbl |
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| 13:59.13 | TotalOblivion | Is it ok to write the solution I found (and used) to have nvidia proprietary drier on an UEFI system on the forum? |
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| 14:28.44 | buZz | TotalOblivion: totally |
| 14:29.09 | buZz | wait, why did you have to do anything special though? i run a UEFI system with devuan jessie and nvidia propdriver |
| 14:32.18 | TotalOblivion | Well, I had an issue with nvidia and uefi at a previous installation and xorg wouldn't load, so I figured that if one blacklists some specific modules it does work. |
| 14:32.29 | TotalOblivion | Apart from nouveau blacklist that is |
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| 14:35.19 | TotalOblivion | buZz, ^ |
| 14:39.15 | buZz | which modules? |
| 14:39.22 | TotalOblivion | gimme a sec |
| 14:39.26 | buZz | doesnt sound related to uefi at all |
| 14:40.35 | TotalOblivion | vga16fb, nouveau, rivafb, nvidiafb, rivatv |
| 14:41.05 | TotalOblivion | last time i had only blacklisted nouveau and my system would freeze on xorg and not load after that |
| 14:41.28 | buZz | probably just a typo? :P |
| 14:41.37 | TotalOblivion | nah. |
| 14:41.38 | buZz | did you check xorg logs? |
| 14:41.48 | TotalOblivion | It's been ages since then :P |
| 14:41.57 | buZz | tbh, i just installed nvidia's propdriver from jessie-backports |
| 14:42.03 | TotalOblivion | After that I went and installed MBR XD |
| 14:42.06 | buZz | which only blacklists nouveau |
| 14:42.27 | buZz | ok, 99% sure blacklisting modules has no impact if you're running uefi or not |
| 14:43.02 | TotalOblivion | Ok doke. I'm trying to prove you wrong. I'm just happy it worked now with me :P |
| 14:43.07 | buZz | :D |
| 14:43.10 | buZz | excellent |
| 14:43.15 | TotalOblivion | I'm NOT trying* |
| 14:43.17 | TotalOblivion | lol |
| 14:43.33 | buZz | i'm just trying to pinpoint where you fixed what :D |
| 14:44.24 | TotalOblivion | Eh. Nvm. It worked that's what matters :D |
| 14:45.07 | TotalOblivion | Is there a link to devuan packages? That I can check from my web-browser that is |
| 14:50.40 | TotalOblivion | buZz, so no need to write anything if it works ok for you :) |
| 14:51.14 | buZz | haha, just curious what you fixed and how :D |
| 14:51.37 | buZz | https://beta.devuan.org/os/packages/ |
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| 14:53.25 | golinux | Nooooo that doesn't work |
| 14:53.53 | golinux | Try this http://devuanpackages.viralds.it/releases |
| 14:54.44 | buZz | thanks golinux |
| 14:55.31 | KatolaZ | buZz: I don't know if it's updated |
| 14:56.03 | TotalOblivion | buZz, gonna pm you the whole story, if that's ok? :P |
| 14:56.17 | TotalOblivion | thanks golinux |
| 14:56.36 | buZz | sure TotalOblivion |
| 14:56.39 | buZz | spam away :D |
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| 16:04.29 | buZz | :) |
| 16:04.50 | buZz | https://openvz.org/Download/template/precreated has a devuan template \o/ |
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| 16:11.35 | golinux | buZz: I'm not seeing it |
| 16:12.24 | buZz | ctrl-f devuan |
| 16:12.27 | golinux | Ah had to scroll down to the bottom |
| 16:12.31 | buZz | :) |
| 16:12.41 | buZz | trickle down webconomy |
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| 16:13.39 | golinux | Every drop helps |
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| 16:23.38 | fleeky | hey there , is there a specificly recommended web ui for git in devuan repos ? |
| 16:23.46 | fleeky | was looking for gitlab / gitbucket but didnt seem to find them |
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| 16:50.40 | fleeky | ok weird, trying to install openjdk-8-jre , in order to do that i need to install ca-certificates-java .. one of the dependencies of that is x11-common? |
| 16:50.44 | fleeky | whyyyy |
| 16:51.09 | fleeky | oh wait fun |
| 16:51.15 | fleeky | just broke everyything |
| 16:51.21 | fleeky | fucking backport repo |
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| 16:58.53 | TotalOblivion | lol |
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| 17:05.29 | fleeky | why even have a backport repo if its going to just be more of a booby trap |
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| 17:22.05 | fsmithred | fleeky, are you using auto.mirror.devuan.org or pkgmaster.devuan.org? |
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| 17:23.12 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 17:23.19 | DarkUranium | what should I add into sources.list for testing? |
| 17:23.31 | DarkUranium | and, uh --- does testing even have xfce 4.12? (or later) |
| 17:23.34 | DarkUranium | (I need something from it) |
| 17:26.07 | buZz | DarkUranium: for ascii? |
| 17:26.20 | DarkUranium | buZz: in this case, yes, but I want to just be on testing itself |
| 17:26.45 | buZz | so, not ascii? |
| 17:26.54 | DarkUranium | ascii, but not ascii after ascii is released. |
| 17:26.59 | buZz | i dont think there's a devuan distro called 'testing' |
| 17:27.08 | buZz | but could be wrong |
| 17:27.13 | fsmithred | yeah, stick with codenames |
| 17:27.18 | DarkUranium | alright then |
| 17:27.23 | golinux | ascii = stretch |
| 17:27.23 | fsmithred | ascii is our "testing" but it's stretch, which is stable |
| 17:27.27 | fsmithred | deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free |
| 17:27.27 | fsmithred | deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-proposed-updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:27.27 | fsmithred | deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib non-free |
| 17:27.27 | fsmithred | deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:27.50 | golinux | beowulf = bister (debian testing) and not available yet |
| 17:27.52 | DarkUranium | what's -proposed-updates? |
| 17:28.01 | buZz | ascii has 4.12.4 for xfce , btw |
| 17:28.05 | DarkUranium | nice |
| 17:28.11 | DarkUranium | okay, good, I need that pretty badly >_< |
| 17:28.12 | fsmithred | s/bister/blister |
| 17:28.16 | golinux | oops buster of course |
| 17:28.19 | buZz | DarkUranium: go for it :D |
| 17:28.19 | DarkUranium | (namely, the hidpi theme in it ... I'm on a 221ppi display) |
| 17:28.47 | DarkUranium | sorry, "hdpi" as it's called (that is, no 'i') |
| 17:28.48 | buZz | :) |
| 17:28.56 | buZz | i love that people call that 'high dpi' |
| 17:29.03 | buZz | my ~10 year old vaio already has higher |
| 17:29.05 | DarkUranium | touche |
| 17:29.15 | DarkUranium | but it's what xfce calls it :P |
| 17:29.20 | buZz | thats ok |
| 17:29.29 | DarkUranium | and 4.10 can't really deal with anything more than about 120 properly |
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| 17:29.51 | buZz | no clue what it needs to do for more pixels |
| 17:29.56 | DarkUranium | (it's one of two things that annoy me about xfce --- no proper support for this) |
| 17:29.58 | buZz | you just mean 'scale everything up' ? |
| 17:30.02 | DarkUranium | that'd work. |
| 17:30.10 | DarkUranium | right now, it's scaling the next, but not the window decorations |
| 17:30.14 | DarkUranium | so the titles get clipped |
| 17:30.51 | DarkUranium | s/next/text/ |
| 17:31.12 | buZz | isnt there a third party theme you could add to your whichever version you have? |
| 17:31.17 | DarkUranium | apparently not |
| 17:32.41 | fsmithred | gtk3 infection might be a problem |
| 17:32.48 | DarkUranium | fsmithred: ? |
| 17:32.54 | buZz | :) |
| 17:33.15 | fsmithred | ascii has gtk3 with great new features like borderless buttons |
| 17:34.33 | DarkUranium | anyhow, Firefox seems to be doing the best on high DPI ATM |
| 17:34.41 | DarkUranium | except the scrollbars, those are *tiny* |
| 17:34.47 | DarkUranium | (it's also a 13.3'' display, so :P) |
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| 17:39.11 | buZz | DarkUranium: and not even touch? :D |
| 17:39.18 | DarkUranium | buZz: nope, it's a laptop |
| 17:39.43 | buZz | not so rare on highend laptops |
| 17:39.56 | DarkUranium | except it predates the whole 2in1 stuff |
| 17:40.31 | buZz | ah, old model |
| 17:40.46 | buZz | tbf, i dont want (more than 1)-in-1 |
| 17:40.48 | DarkUranium | it's also not exactly the type you'd use as a tablet anyhow |
| 17:40.51 | DarkUranium | wee bit heavy and so on |
| 17:41.00 | DarkUranium | (it's because of the discrete GPU and all that) |
| 17:41.03 | buZz | my next thinkpad will just have touch on the normal screen |
| 17:41.03 | DarkUranium | (dual HDDs, et cetera) |
| 17:41.51 | buZz | just makes scrolling in documents and webpages so much simpler :) |
| 17:42.14 | DarkUranium | I have a 2in1 next to me, but I had to send it in for service, and they managed to screw it up even more |
| 17:42.22 | DarkUranium | then I had to leave for Ireland, so I haven't sent it back yet |
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| 17:49.06 | _abc_ | Hi. Was reading https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/wayland-gnome-remote-desktop - shudder?! |
| 17:49.25 | _abc_ | Is devuan remote desktop capable by not using wayland? I hope there are no plans to move in that direction, but will there be a choice? |
| 17:50.53 | OmegaPhil | uses normal X, and x11vnc |
| 17:50.58 | OmegaPhil | Have done for years |
| 17:52.15 | muep | the difference in wayland for a remote desktop server tool like vino is that it needs some way to get the screen contents and inject input events and so on |
| 17:54.04 | _abc_ | muep: yes, see the bottom of the link. Last paragraph. |
| 17:54.21 | _abc_ | And this is red hat, THE linux company. Wait, they also employ one, Poettering... |
| 17:54.39 | DarkUranium | oh no |
| 17:54.41 | DarkUranium | they're doing that? |
| 17:54.45 | DarkUranium | or rather, he's doing that? |
| 17:54.48 | _abc_ | I feel the things rh has been doing to the kernel and systems in linux lately equates and exceeds 'emrace and extend to better f**k' |
| 17:55.00 | DarkUranium | (on a side-note, I think Canonical is closer to being "THE linux company" nowadays --- for better or for worse) |
| 17:55.12 | _abc_ | DarkUranium: Poettering is not the only disruptive guy rh pays to ruin our good days. |
| 17:55.24 | DarkUranium | _abc_: oh, I've been saying that about systemd for ages. |
| 17:55.28 | _abc_ | DarkUranium: Do Ubuntu make money? |
| 17:55.29 | DarkUranium | and no, he is not |
| 17:55.33 | DarkUranium | he is the most successful though |
| 17:55.37 | DarkUranium | dunno, I'd imagine it does |
| 17:55.42 | DarkUranium | I mean, Canonical still exists, no? |
| 17:55.47 | _abc_ | DarkUranium: more like, the one who poked our ribs strongest. For now. |
| 17:55.53 | _abc_ | DarkUranium: I think so, yes. |
| 17:55.58 | DarkUranium | inb4 Linux wars! |
| 17:56.19 | DarkUranium | well, I mostly use FreeBSD, so you guys have fun ;) |
| 17:56.25 | _abc_ | Seriously, this is going to get to the point where say 5 year old X11 applications are not usable on new systems |
| 17:56.39 | _abc_ | DarkUranium: What are you doing on #devuan? :) |
| 17:56.45 | DarkUranium | my laptop uses it! |
| 17:57.02 | DarkUranium | and I'll probably be forced to have *one* Linux vserver because of a piece of software that uses a certain feature |
| 17:57.29 | DarkUranium | (one that FreeBSD doesn't emulate ... IIRC, it's Linux's user namespaces) |
| 17:57.51 | muep | I do not use the feature myself, but I think it is just fine to have at least some way to make the gnome-on-wayland session available remotely |
| 17:57.59 | DarkUranium | fortunately, I only need that one for development purposes, so a $3/mo server is plenty (it's basically a self-hosted dev board thingie) |
| 17:58.04 | OmegaPhil | XWayland allows X11 programs in Wayland |
| 17:58.17 | DarkUranium | muep: to me, it seems like it's the wrong layer to approach the problem at. |
| 17:58.26 | DarkUranium | what about KDE? Or XFCE? Or, hell, different GNOME versions? |
| 17:58.51 | DarkUranium | we don't need the Linux desktop fragmentation in the remote desktops area now! |
| 17:59.06 | muep | the major desktops tend to eventually agree on shared protocols for the usual things |
| 17:59.23 | DarkUranium | muep: sure, but GNOME tend to just be "our way or the highway" folks, at least lately. |
| 17:59.29 | DarkUranium | which is a problem |
| 17:59.45 | DarkUranium | _abc_: besides, I still have an interest in systemdless Linuxes :P |
| 17:59.56 | buZz | xdmcp is destroyed with wayland? :( |
| 17:59.57 | DarkUranium | systemd is what made me migrate all my servers to FreeBSD, after all (from Debian) |
| 18:00.01 | buZz | sad timez |
| 18:00.04 | DarkUranium | best decision I ever made, IMO |
| 18:00.42 | muep | they certainly have a strong opinion on what kind of UI they want to provide, but to me it still seems that they are pretty happy to share implementations and protocols with projects that pursue other kinds of UIs |
| 18:00.43 | DarkUranium | (let's just say that the jails and the firewall are great :P) |
| 18:00.47 | DarkUranium | anyhow, gotta run now, ttyl o/ |
| 18:00.51 | DarkUranium | (dinner) |
| 18:01.08 | DarkUranium | muep: not really. I mean, they want to hard-depend on systemd, for example |
| 18:01.19 | DarkUranium | and I think they've gone on record to say they don't care about e.g. FreeBSD |
| 18:01.33 | _abc_ | Of course, systemd is the foot (boot) in the door rh has put in the linux kernel. |
| 18:01.36 | DarkUranium | and hell, if you consider how GNOME 3 started, it was very much that |
| 18:01.36 | buZz | nor does devuan :P |
| 18:01.42 | _abc_ | Think of it as job security for them. |
| 18:01.43 | muep | buZz: isn't xdmcp about forwarding X11 by definition? it does sound like it is protocol specific by design |
| 18:01.54 | buZz | sorta |
| 18:01.59 | DarkUranium | buZz: devuan is an OS <_< |
| 18:02.04 | buZz | distro* not a OS |
| 18:02.10 | DarkUranium | it's both. |
| 18:02.15 | _abc_ | muep: yes but wayland etc implement only the 'front' side of the x server, without the network parts |
| 18:02.16 | DarkUranium | distros *are* operating systems. |
| 18:02.19 | buZz | eh :P |
| 18:02.19 | golinux | This is probably better suited to #debianfork |
| 18:02.23 | _abc_ | muep: Weston |
| 18:02.39 | golinux | Please consider moving there |
| 18:02.43 | buZz | DarkUranium: yes , ones that dont write the software they run ;) |
| 18:02.47 | _abc_ | In a devuan context, does that strong wayland push affect devuan users? |
| 18:03.13 | DarkUranium | there's a strong wayland push? |
| 18:03.14 | _abc_ | Will there be new releases of key apps like libreoffice and firefox which will hard depend on the new features introduced by wayland-weston etc? |
| 18:03.17 | muep | _abc_: what network side of x server is missing from xwayland? |
| 18:03.19 | _abc_ | DarkUranium: did you read the link? |
| 18:03.29 | DarkUranium | _abc_: yes. |
| 18:03.33 | _abc_ | muep: all of it. You can't use network connected clients. |
| 18:03.34 | DarkUranium | I can hardly see that as a *strong* push. |
| 18:03.37 | DarkUranium | it's more of a light breeze. |
| 18:03.48 | DarkUranium | but ANYHOW! |
| 18:03.52 | DarkUranium | I really gotta go. Ta! |
| 18:04.08 | buZz | all ubuntu 16.x installs just moved to wayland, afaik |
| 18:04.09 | _abc_ | DarkUranium: it's not a breeze, it's the sound of thousands of lemming feet pitter-pattering towards the abyss. |
| 18:04.23 | _abc_ | buZz: I know, I did not come here to procrastinate. |
| 18:04.24 | DarkUranium | hahaha |
| 18:04.28 | muep | _abc_: I'll try that now. my impression from following support discussions is that it still works |
| 18:04.39 | _abc_ | muep: Tell us? |
| 18:04.41 | fleeky | i believe auto.mirror |
| 18:04.44 | buZz | what does procrastination have to do with anything :D |
| 18:04.48 | fleeky | fsmithred: |
| 18:05.02 | buZz | _abc_: ah, you were affected? |
| 18:05.05 | _abc_ | looks at the wine bottle. You are so right, buZz :) I should cease bringing doom news. |
| 18:05.24 | _abc_ | buZz: no, but I am contemplating several large system upgrades and I need to know how bad this line is. |
| 18:05.25 | muep | afaik it is even used as a workaround for gnome's mutter not allowing applications of other OS users to talk to it |
| 18:05.28 | _abc_ | I need remote x! |
| 18:05.39 | buZz | yeah i use remote x often aswell |
| 18:05.58 | muep | yep at least xterm from a remote server is still just fine |
| 18:06.11 | buZz | muep: what about x2x? |
| 18:06.18 | _abc_ | muep: using x11 remote protocol? ssh -y ? what? |
| 18:06.37 | muep | _abc_: ssh -Y otherserver and then in there I just run xterm |
| 18:06.43 | _abc_ | muep: is this the latest Ubuntu with wayland? What does xdpyinfo say? |
| 18:06.51 | muep | latest fedora |
| 18:06.55 | _abc_ | muep: okay. |
| 18:07.13 | _abc_ | How latest? The link article seems to imply this is an ongoing process? |
| 18:07.25 | _abc_ | Also that VNC does not work on rh. Did you try VNC muep ? |
| 18:07.39 | muep | version 26, released in spring of this year |
| 18:08.23 | muep | I think vnc clients will work just as usual but if that article is accurate, I can not VNC or RDP into my desktop session |
| 18:08.53 | fsmithred | fleeky, jessie-backports on auto.mirror should only install exactly what you tell it to. That wasn't always the case, but it got fixed a long time ago. |
| 18:09.07 | _abc_ | Well that is the question. Interesting remote X11 works? In despite of what the article says? Maybe I misread it. |
| 18:09.23 | fsmithred | for pkgmaster, I'm not sure if that's the case. I always pin backports to a lower priority just to be safe. |
| 18:09.41 | fleeky | fsmithred: the problem is trying to install openjdk-8-jre with jessie-backports results in dependency errors |
| 18:09.48 | fleeky | specifically with ca-certificates-java |
| 18:09.51 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:09.57 | fsmithred | what version you need? |
| 18:10.01 | fleeky | which has some funky version mismatch |
| 18:10.11 | _abc_ | Is that from Oracle or? |
| 18:10.17 | fleeky | said something about 2016 version conflicting with 2014 which is to be installed? |
| 18:10.22 | fleeky | no just the openjdk java |
| 18:10.28 | _abc_ | Oracle packages some java releases with hard pinned lib deps and more |
| 18:10.28 | muep | _abc_: "remote desktop" is a quite complex topic so there can well be aspects that work less well and others that are just fine |
| 18:10.51 | _abc_ | muep: yes, I referred explicitly to x11 remote, and VNC. |
| 18:11.21 | muep | the main thing that wayland complicates is that it is no longer a given that a tool can access all my screen contents, windows and input event streams |
| 18:11.24 | fleeky | _abc_: i am just trying to get some java 8 version installecd |
| 18:11.28 | fleeky | on jessie |
| 18:11.58 | _abc_ | fleeky: java from Oracle or from somewere else? I forget which one is openjdk |
| 18:12.01 | muep | normally a tool will only get access to its own windows, which is just fine for VNC clients or e.g. virt-manager which does quite similar stuff ui-wise |
| 18:12.23 | _abc_ | muep: Then why do they say it does not work? |
| 18:12.27 | fleeky | _abc_: from jessie_backports |
| 18:12.29 | muep | but it is not nice for a tool that'd want to make e.g. my file manager window visible and accessible elsewhere |
| 18:13.39 | _abc_ | muep: fyi wheezy is already broken in remote x11, I have wheezy on a machine I run headless, it has gnome and x11 apps, I had all hell's trouble to make the remote x11 apps work on another server. The machine previously ran etch and had no problems ... |
| 18:13.44 | _abc_ | ... with that. |
| 18:13.57 | _abc_ | That is systemd less wheezy fyi |
| 18:14.36 | _abc_ | It's a bad combination of java (Eclipse etc), gnome remote rendering problems, etc |
| 18:14.37 | muep | that xterm that I ran on another server is an usual X client so it will happily talk to any X server I point at it, including Xwayland |
| 18:14.50 | fsmithred | ca-certificates-java in jessie-backports is 2016 version. Specify both packages on the command line. |
| 18:15.00 | _abc_ | I spend well over 20 hours making it work with little scripts which tweak the environment and lib paths before launching remote x11 apps |
| 18:15.11 | _abc_ | *spent. I'll be quiet now |
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| 18:16.12 | fleeky | fsmithred: i tried to manually install the dependency but that didnt work .. or can i also speicify which version? |
| 18:16.24 | fsmithred | you could |
| 18:17.32 | fsmithred | apt-get -t jessie-backports install openjdk-8-jre=8u131-b11-1~bpo8+1 ca-certificates-java=20161107~bpo8+1 |
| 18:18.06 | _abc_ | Aren't security related packages like ca-certs above managed on a different schedule from normal packages? I think it's a good idea to be able to patch certs packages in a jiffy? And be able to downgrade and pin such when there's a fire? |
| 18:19.09 | fsmithred | I don't think security patches are on any schedule. |
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| 18:19.26 | fsmithred | They come when needed. Usually pretty fast. |
| 18:20.14 | fsmithred | brb, need lunch |
| 18:20.34 | _abc_ | Schedule as in, bunched with all usual upgrades, and with 'require' versions by other pckages. I mean, no package should require a particular version of security certs |
| 18:20.41 | _abc_ | Bon appetit |
| 18:21.42 | _abc_ | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland#Weston reading the excellent docs at archilinux, I can see there are ways to do things with weston/wayland, including 'start up an x server module' to run an x11 app |
| 18:22.01 | fleeky | fsmithred: i might just update to ascii instead |
| 18:22.05 | fleeky | just did a quick test with a vm |
| 18:22.16 | fleeky | and installed openjdk-8-jre seems to work fiine |
| 18:22.28 | fleeky | afterthat got bitbucket going without errors |
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| 18:23.48 | muep | at least in near term, any default wayland setup like you might see in fedora or ubuntu (if they default to a wayland session, I do not know) will support normal X11 applications by default |
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| 18:48.03 | _abc_ | muep: I am reading the arch linux page, seems to be as you say, for now. |
| 18:55.33 | fsmithred | fleeky, ascii is pretty stable. |
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| 19:01.15 | _abc_ | Maybe the article I linked was misinterpreted by me. |
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| 20:35.02 | greenjeans | question: In checking through files, in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d , there's a bunch of Debian archive entries, that stuff isn't needed or used anymore is it? |
| 20:37.04 | gnarface | not sure but i think they are indeed still needed, because unaltered packages get pulled from the debian repos directly |
| 20:37.36 | gnarface | only the packages that had to actually be rebuilt to remove systemd dependencies are really hosted on the devuan repos |
| 20:38.01 | gnarface | (this seems to be ok with Debian for now but i personally expect they'll eventually get mean about it) |
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| 20:53.37 | greenjeans | Thanks gnarface, I think i'm going to loose the Devuan-Hulk on it and see what happens |
| 20:59.28 | greenjeans | okay, so I deleted everything in folder that didn't say "Devuan", deleted apt lists, the cache in /var, and also the root synaptic options file, opened Synaptic and reloaded, and I got all the current updates listed, 13 or so, and installed them...seems like it works fine |
| 21:00.16 | gnarface | interesting |
| 21:00.28 | fleeky | hey there, tried to install gitlab with ascii , returned this : https://pastebin.com/J5LWTUrz |
| 21:00.39 | gnarface | maybe they're not needed after all? maybe amprolla proxies the connections? i thought someone said otherwise but i really don't know |
| 21:01.43 | gnarface | is that package not from the devaun repos, fleeky? definitely looks like a bug |
| 21:01.57 | fleeky | i dont have any extra repos installed |
| 21:02.07 | fleeky | so that should be the default gitlab package from devuan |
| 21:02.31 | gnarface | i feel like i was seeing the same exact error, or a very similar one at least, from the nvidia-driver package or one of it's immediate dependencies |
| 21:02.45 | greenjeans | yeah me either gnarface, I was just clearing out some stuff I had temporarily installed to get a package for elsewhere and found all that debian stuff |
| 21:02.53 | gnarface | but it wasn't stopping the nvidia driver from completing install |
| 21:03.16 | fleeky | yeah also gitlab is partially installed |
| 21:03.56 | gnarface | greenjeans: oh, maybe the files are stored there but maybe the keys are also added to root's keyring |
| 21:03.58 | fleeky | and i cant remove because : https://pastebin.com/JQZxyckS |
| 21:04.29 | gnarface | greenjeans: so maybe deleting them doesn't hurt because you're still caching copies in /root/.gnupg or something like that? |
| 21:04.58 | greenjeans | heading into files now to check |
| 21:06.40 | greenjeans | nope, no gnupg in root |
| 21:07.04 | gnarface | hmmm |
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| 21:07.26 | gnarface | i don't know then |
| 21:07.36 | gnarface | i assumed they were still in use somehow, but they could be vestigial for all i know |
| 21:08.12 | fsmithred | greenjeans, did you check to see if the debian files returned when you ran update? |
| 21:08.39 | greenjeans | hey fsr, yeah I did, they are still gone |
| 21:08.43 | fsmithred | and 'apt-key list' will show you what keys you have |
| 21:08.46 | golinux | was thinking that |
| 21:09.24 | fsmithred | pretty sure I've deleted the debian keyring without any problems, but I couldn't tell you which install that was or if it still exists. |
| 21:11.15 | greenjeans | yeah I just have 3 Devuan files in there now, 2016 and 2017 archive, and one that's different, devuan-keyring-2016-cdimage.gpg |
| 21:12.51 | greenjeans | I believe the Devuan-Hulk has sniffed out and smashed some more cruft |
| 21:13.00 | greenjeans | hah! love it! |
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| 21:13.57 | aitor | hi |
| 21:14.20 | aitor | simple-netaid-gui worked in the live-sdk |
| 21:14.34 | aitor | time to dinner, be back later |
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| 21:44.34 | greenjeans | another classic Aitor driveby, lol |
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| 22:12.16 | aitor | eh, eh! |
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| 23:27.49 | aitor | hi |
| 23:29.54 | Evilham | on egin! |
| 23:30.54 | aitor | :) |
| 23:33.53 | aitor | parazyd finished his job on amprolla, isn't it? |
| 23:34.44 | aitor | he announced it in the DNG mailing list |
| 23:44.57 | aitor | i'm uploading the latest version of gnuinos-openbox including simple-netaid-gui to the same link above |