| 00:01.11 | gnu_srs1 | ATotalOblivion: jessie is the current stable Debian:r |
| 00:01.41 | TotalOblivion | aaah. MinceR I thought ceres was sort of a dev one. |
| 00:01.56 | MinceR | it is |
| 00:02.11 | MinceR | iirc it's the equivalent of unstable |
| 00:02.26 | TotalOblivion | I think I've misunderstood the meaning of rolling then, my bad :P |
| 00:02.27 | gnarface | ceres is different from a "rolling release" in terminology only |
| 00:02.32 | gnarface | the practical differences are nil to the end user |
| 00:02.48 | MinceR | well, unstable and current aren't really the point |
| 00:02.56 | TotalOblivion | i thought rolling was "bleeding edge" and constantly updated. |
| 00:02.59 | TotalOblivion | but whatever |
| 00:03.02 | MinceR | they're part of a process that results in the stable (fixed) releases |
| 00:03.12 | MinceR | if you want bleeding edge, you can use them |
| 00:03.30 | MinceR | "If I want cutting edge, I'll buy a sword. If I want bleeding edge, I'll use it." |
| 00:03.58 | TotalOblivion | What i know for certain is that so far i like devuan. And aesthetically they're dope :D Love the planet names and love the reference i saw at some point to hitchhicker's guide XD and the logo |
| 00:04.11 | MinceR | :) |
| 00:04.40 | gnarface | i'm really sad for what happened to Debian but i'm happy the work could be salvaged under a different name |
| 00:04.43 | TotalOblivion | I might as well try ceres. I come from arch and plan on using gentoo soon as well. I'm just curious to see how boring a stable release is hehe |
| 00:05.03 | gnarface | i would recommend not replacing your jessie install with ceres |
| 00:05.10 | gnarface | it might be fun to try separately though |
| 00:05.35 | gnarface | (i use it primarily because Nvidia, Xorg, Valve, and their various game vendors can't keep their shit together) |
| 00:05.36 | TotalOblivion | I want to get accustomed to stable for the time being. I just want this thing to work. |
| 00:05.56 | TotalOblivion | oooh. so if i want to steam i should go ceres? :P |
| 00:06.02 | gnarface | no no no |
| 00:06.13 | gnarface | if YOU want Steam, you should just get the nvidia package from backports |
| 00:06.23 | gnarface | enjoy it being stable for as long as you can milk it |
| 00:06.32 | TotalOblivion | i already have nvidia :P |
| 00:06.41 | gnarface | yea, eventually nvidia will instigate some bullshit that will force you to upgrade. don't do it prematurely |
| 00:06.57 | TotalOblivion | i had backports enabled in installation. |
| 00:07.09 | gnarface | but steam will need a newer nvidia driver version than the jessie one. a new enough one is in backports, so if you have it you're good. |
| 00:07.24 | gnarface | the steam package in the jessie repos works out of the box then though. |
| 00:07.29 | TotalOblivion | how can i check my current nvidia version? |
| 00:07.54 | gnarface | it'll show up in the Xorg.0.log, and you can just check `dpkg -l |grep -i nvidia` too |
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| 00:08.23 | gnarface | as i recall, jessie ships with 304.xx but Steam requires a minimum of 340.xx |
| 00:08.46 | TotalOblivion | 340.102 |
| 00:08.55 | TotalOblivion | So I'm covered |
| 00:09.06 | TotalOblivion | I'll upgrade to ascii at some point as well |
| 00:09.16 | gnarface | yea, should be fine. `apt-get install steam` should work and it'll auto-update to current the first time you launch it |
| 00:09.29 | TotalOblivion | won't install now tbh |
| 00:09.40 | TotalOblivion | when dist-upgrade it'll take even more time i think XD |
| 00:09.41 | gnarface | you missed the halloween sale by a day, so no rush |
| 00:09.53 | TotalOblivion | not gonna buy anything :P |
| 00:09.58 | TotalOblivion | just wanna play XD |
| 00:10.08 | gnarface | TF2 is free and great for testing |
| 00:10.15 | gnarface | so is DOTA2 |
| 00:10.20 | TotalOblivion | oh no |
| 00:10.23 | TotalOblivion | oh nononono |
| 00:10.25 | TotalOblivion | no moba |
| 00:10.33 | gnarface | hehe, i don't blame you |
| 00:10.34 | TotalOblivion | i wanna move forward with my life man :P |
| 00:10.46 | TotalOblivion | grim dawn is more than enough |
| 00:10.55 | TotalOblivion | and i had my fair share of life losing with wow |
| 00:10.57 | TotalOblivion | hehehe |
| 00:11.24 | gnarface | i discovered you can add steam streaming and steam controller support to any arbitrary game by just putting it in a bash wrapper script and launching that from the steam ui |
| 00:11.36 | gnu_srs1 | gtg, CY |
| 00:11.41 | TotalOblivion | bb gnu_srs1 |
| 00:13.22 | TotalOblivion | weird... |
| 00:13.39 | TotalOblivion | MATE still shows as a choice when I hit F1 in log in greater |
| 00:14.02 | gnarface | in slim you mean? |
| 00:14.12 | gnarface | i don't know slim well enough to know how to purge that |
| 00:14.23 | TotalOblivion | yeah |
| 00:14.27 | TotalOblivion | well, will go lightdm |
| 00:14.28 | gnarface | i'm sure there's an easy way to flush updates to it i just don't know it off the top of my head |
| 00:14.40 | gnarface | maybe even just `dpkg-reconfigure slim` |
| 00:14.49 | TotalOblivion | what's dpkg? |
| 00:15.07 | gnarface | or check for stray mate packages and use `purge` instead of `remove` them this time |
| 00:15.18 | gnarface | dpkg is just a low-level package manager |
| 00:15.50 | TotalOblivion | i used apt-get remove --purge |
| 00:16.43 | gnarface | hmmm. i think that should have done it |
| 00:16.55 | gnarface | i don't think "--purge" has to be before "remove" to not be ignored |
| 00:17.01 | gnarface | but i'm not sure |
| 00:17.11 | gnarface | there could be a number of places it's caching that list though |
| 00:17.46 | TotalOblivion | same result |
| 00:17.49 | TotalOblivion | oh well |
| 00:18.04 | gnarface | i'm sure it's easy to fix i just don't know anything about slim, sorry |
| 00:18.17 | TotalOblivion | no worries gnarface :) |
| 00:18.25 | TotalOblivion | thanks a lot for the general help :) |
| 00:18.29 | gnarface | no problem |
| 00:18.40 | TotalOblivion | do you use a dm? |
| 00:18.52 | gnarface | typically no |
| 00:19.01 | gnarface | i've used xdm though |
| 00:19.19 | gnarface | but it's not pretty and i don't think it even has this functionality |
| 00:25.00 | TotalOblivion | gnarface, since I can't find really much on sysvinit @ wheezy page, can you please share with me how to start, restart and end a daemon/service? |
| 00:25.18 | gnarface | ok i can give you some pointers |
| 00:25.28 | gnarface | all the services have an init script in /etc/init.d |
| 00:25.32 | TotalOblivion | anything will do |
| 00:25.49 | gnarface | you can just run them directly and they'll all give you output on what options it supports |
| 00:26.14 | gnarface | most of them were written in a more civilized time though, so you can trust they almost all support the same basic options and syntax |
| 00:26.35 | gnarface | uniformly they'll pretty much all support at least "start" and "stop" |
| 00:26.51 | gnarface | some of them also have various reload/restart options for specialized purposes |
| 00:27.56 | TotalOblivion | lets say i want to start or stop slim. i cd /etc/init.d/ and I ./slim ? |
| 00:28.03 | gnarface | they're called in an order predetermined by the LSB header comments in the script (see https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts and https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot) |
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| 00:28.25 | gnarface | if you want to stop slim it would probably be literally: "./slim stop" |
| 00:30.16 | gnarface | there are also symlinks in /etc/rc([0-6]|S).d/ directories, pointing back to the /etc/init.d scripts, as a fall-back for legacy behavior if there are no LSB headers in a given script, or as an override for if you want to change stuff without messing with the LSB headers |
| 00:32.02 | gnarface | there are also some old daemon control tools that may or may not be installed |
| 00:32.10 | gnarface | but i don't think they're really needed |
| 00:32.14 | gnarface | more just convenience |
| 00:32.25 | gnarface | so you can type "service slim stop" instead of "/etc/init.d/slim stop" |
| 00:32.30 | gnarface | or whatever |
| 00:32.57 | TotalOblivion | aha |
| 00:32.58 | TotalOblivion | i see |
| 00:33.16 | gnarface | and there's an update-rc.d tool for managing the rc?.d symlinks but you don't actually have to use it. you can just edit them by hand too. |
| 00:34.05 | gnarface | i'm sure this information is all in the debian docs or wiki somewhere, but as it's primarily related to the release BEFORE oldstable for them, you kinda have to dig |
| 00:34.42 | TotalOblivion | will do |
| 00:34.49 | TotalOblivion | much obliged really :) |
| 00:35.05 | gnarface | like, for example, here some basics are mentioned with helpful links, but you have to scroll down past the systemd-specific new stuff: https://wiki.debian.org/Daemon#A_brief_introduction_to_Debian_sysvinit_init_scripts |
| 00:36.12 | gnarface | (you can also see they assume you have those RedHat era daemon tools installed too) |
| 00:37.15 | gnarface | (and it won't be mentioned anywhere, it'll just be assumed you know that *unlike* redhat, Devuan/Debian really only use init level 2) |
| 00:37.59 | TotalOblivion | my first bummer hit me! no plex, sonarr, radarr packages. I hope I can install 'em somehow :S |
| 00:38.07 | gnarface | (they're not all broken up into graphical/non-grahical/service/singleuser runlevels. everything just uses init 2 and the rest you can do what you like with) |
| 00:39.51 | gnarface | i don't know what any of those programs are |
| 00:40.06 | TotalOblivion | media servers really |
| 00:40.16 | TotalOblivion | well one of 'em |
| 00:41.08 | gnarface | i'm sure they're installable, it's more of a question of why they're not in the repo in the first place (usually there's a good reason, like the developers can't package a package that won't hose your system to save their own lives, or there's a much better alternative with cleaner OSI-approved licensing) |
| 00:41.41 | TotalOblivion | "like the developers can't package a package that won't hose your system to save their own lives" probably something of the sort |
| 00:42.43 | TotalOblivion | https://www.plex.tv/downloads/ |
| 00:42.45 | TotalOblivion | this is it |
| 00:42.48 | gnarface | if worst comes to worst and you find yourself installing from source that isn't debian packaging-tools-aware, just make sure you use checkinstall to package it so you can remove it cleanly in a worst-case scenario |
| 00:43.19 | gnarface | never just 'make install' and spray unpackaged 3rd party software all over your harddrive... that makes a mess |
| 00:44.04 | TotalOblivion | so it's possible for me to just dl from the site, and install it without any issues? and even get a service running for it? |
| 00:44.12 | TotalOblivion | Or will that be too much of a fuss really? |
| 00:44.41 | gnarface | the amount of fuss purely depends on them |
| 00:44.48 | TotalOblivion | point |
| 00:44.51 | gnarface | in theory it could be painless |
| 00:45.14 | TotalOblivion | is it ok to pm you at some point to guide me in the installation if at all possible? |
| 00:45.42 | gnarface | sure but i can't guarantee i can help. i see they support..... ubuntu, fedora, and centos. so uh, this isn't confidence-inspiring to me |
| 00:45.55 | TotalOblivion | it's a .deb package :P |
| 00:46.07 | gnarface | yea but the devil is in the details (package dependency headers) |
| 00:46.16 | TotalOblivion | oooh |
| 00:46.24 | gnarface | it depends a lot on how specific/sane their version checks are |
| 00:46.36 | TotalOblivion | so it could get gruesome |
| 00:46.55 | gnarface | sure, it's possible they did it right, but the ones smart enough to do it right usually don't list Ubuntu |
| 00:47.04 | TotalOblivion | hahahaha |
| 00:47.24 | gnarface | what are you actually using this for? maybe it's something you could just do with vlc? |
| 00:48.40 | TotalOblivion | nah. I stream TV shows, movies etc on my ps3 |
| 00:48.52 | gnarface | apt-cache search media.*str |
| 00:49.09 | gnarface | (apt-cache search can take regular expressions) |
| 00:50.00 | TotalOblivion | ok, just run it |
| 00:50.39 | TotalOblivion | docker works with devuan or? |
| 00:50.58 | gnarface | i believe i've heard that it works but i don't use it myself |
| 00:51.13 | TotalOblivion | and i just found this: The ubuntu deb package on the plex website works fine with Debian Jessie |
| 00:51.16 | TotalOblivion | which is great :D |
| 00:51.18 | gnarface | that does remind me, you could easily just make a minimal install in a chroot to test that plex ubuntu package in though |
| 00:51.42 | gnarface | (just to be sure) but if they're saying it's fine on debian jessie, maybe they're right |
| 00:51.55 | TotalOblivion | read it here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=129393 |
| 00:52.27 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 00:52.32 | gnarface | but does it require that you be using systemd on jessie? |
| 00:52.52 | gnarface | there's also the possibility it'll install fine and just not actually be able to work |
| 00:53.08 | TotalOblivion | it probably needs systemd service :\ |
| 00:53.17 | gnarface | there might be a shim or something you can use |
| 00:53.44 | TotalOblivion | or docker XD |
| 00:53.46 | TotalOblivion | anyway |
| 00:53.50 | TotalOblivion | time to go to bed |
| 00:53.56 | TotalOblivion | cya around \o |
| 00:54.02 | gnarface | alright, peace. consider some alternative media servers |
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| 00:54.34 | gnarface | i'm sure plex isn't the only thing that works with ps3 (my initial google hits look promising: https://alternativeto.net/software/plex/?platform=linux) |
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| 01:27.52 | debdog | fsmithred: https://github.com/fsmithred/refractainstaller-base/blob/master/refractainstaller lines 397 and 398 |
| 01:27.52 | debdog | would it be possible to change it from a y/n to a 1/2? would make translating a tad easier since there is no 'y" in "ja" |
| 01:31.02 | debdog | same for 426 |
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| 01:52.47 | debdog | and 439 and possibly others |
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| 01:59.57 | fsmithred | debdog, without looking at it, I'll say yes. |
| 02:01.13 | fsmithred | I do recall having to use "o" for "yes" one time when I was testing locales. |
| 02:01.32 | fsmithred | not in the installer |
| 02:03.49 | fsmithred | why just those two lines? |
| 02:04.13 | fsmithred | the whole script is full of y/n |
| 02:10.28 | fsmithred | for now, do it like: y) ja |
| 02:10.33 | fsmithred | if that doesn't seem insane |
| 02:10.53 | fsmithred | and I can change them when I go through the whole script |
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| 03:48.54 | TheTrueHooha | Omg. Terry Davis has a warrant for his arrest |
| 03:50.07 | gnarface | the templeOS guy? what for? |
| 03:50.46 | gnarface | i'm guessing it wasn't a GPL violation |
| 03:51.03 | TheTrueHooha | Battery and Public Indecency |
| 03:51.23 | TheTrueHooha | He's really gone downhill since he was kicked out of his parent's place |
| 03:51.28 | TheTrueHooha | Really since he ate his pet bird |
| 03:51.56 | gnarface | i wonder if God told him to do it |
| 03:52.02 | TheTrueHooha | Pro'lly |
| 03:52.17 | TheTrueHooha | http://www.templeos.org/Videos/SkinnyDip.MP4 |
| 03:53.09 | gnarface | guess we'd better mirror his code in case anything actually divine is in there |
| 03:53.28 | gnarface | on the surface, his concept for the OS isn't insane |
| 03:53.48 | gnarface | (even though everything else about it may be, i haven't really looked) |
| 03:56.39 | TheTrueHooha | gnarface: his goal was to make it like a Commadore 64 except instead of a BASIC interpretor it's a Holy C interpretor |
| 04:03.38 | TheTrueHooha | http://www.templeos.org/Videos/OnaRest.mp4 |
| 04:05.29 | gnarface | well i really thought the part about the line count limitation showed foresight actually |
| 04:06.12 | gnarface | that fits it to a very specific niche none of the other operating systems really fit |
| 04:06.26 | gnarface | not exactly the way i'd do it mind you... but i admit i couldn't come up with anything |
| 04:06.29 | gnarface | this at least, does it |
| 04:07.26 | gnarface | TheTrueHooha: i'm going afk for now but this conversation is probably better for #debianfork anyway |
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| 09:41.19 | TotalOblivion | gnarface, you there mate? |
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| 09:46.36 | gnarface | what up, TotalOblivion? |
| 09:47.34 | TotalOblivion | i want to plug in some internal HDDs i have. Will they be auto-mounted or do i need to nano /etc/fstab |
| 09:47.34 | TotalOblivion | ? |
| 09:47.59 | gnarface | i think it really depends on what you have installed |
| 09:48.31 | TotalOblivion | how do you mean? |
| 09:48.51 | gnarface | well some window managers can do it, but rely on udisks2 |
| 09:48.57 | gnarface | i don't know if there are other methods |
| 09:49.01 | gnarface | i use fstab |
| 09:49.04 | TotalOblivion | aaaah. i see |
| 09:49.17 | debdog | fsmithred: Ok, y) it is |
| 09:49.18 | TotalOblivion | lsblk and nano to the rescue once again :D |
| 09:49.34 | gnarface | well you can use udisks2 if you want |
| 09:49.42 | gnarface | i think e17 works with it |
| 09:49.45 | TotalOblivion | nah it's cool |
| 09:49.55 | TotalOblivion | one can always trust cli moar :) |
| 09:50.12 | gnarface | yea that's true |
| 09:50.50 | TotalOblivion | Sadly I'm gonna have to install windows again :'( I need scanner support for my all-one printer. Next one I'll buy I'll check to have functional drivers for linux |
| 09:51.19 | TotalOblivion | also gnarface plex has a repo package on gentoo as well. So I suppose it can work without systemd as well :) |
| 09:52.19 | gnarface | you checked the cups configuration panel for your scanner and still couldn't get it to work? |
| 09:52.35 | TotalOblivion | yeah. it doesn't have support |
| 09:52.41 | gnarface | bummer |
| 09:52.46 | TotalOblivion | ah well |
| 09:52.55 | TotalOblivion | I don't care. It's a good pointed to change hw |
| 09:53.08 | TotalOblivion | I rather buy something that works with linux this time :) |
| 09:53.31 | djph | which printer? |
| 09:53.56 | TotalOblivion | djph, HP photosmart c3180. doesn't have scanner capabilities with linux |
| 09:54.35 | djph | weird |
| 09:54.42 | djph | HP's usually solid in *nix |
| 09:54.56 | TotalOblivion | it's 15 years old i think :P |
| 09:55.05 | djph | so? |
| 09:55.30 | TotalOblivion | Good question |
| 09:56.03 | djph | most of the time HP's "just work(tm)" with (x)sane, even when they "don't support it" |
| 09:58.14 | TotalOblivion | time to go and install windows T.T |
| 09:58.19 | TotalOblivion | Bad day this one |
| 10:01.17 | gnarface | wait, you have the sane packages installed too, TotalOblivion? |
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| 10:01.36 | gnarface | it might matter |
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| 10:03.16 | djph | it definitely does. I've used it with 10 year old photosmarts (garbage that they are) with success ... and I know that one pre-dates HP saying they have linux support |
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| 10:07.05 | TotalOblivion | I did have everything configured when I was on arch and it didn't work :( |
| 10:08.43 | TotalOblivion | It doesn't really matte. Will buy a new printer/scanner next week or so. |
| 10:08.46 | TotalOblivion | matter* |
| 10:08.52 | gnarface | well i know scanner support is really spotty across the board on linux in general, i just wanna make sure we didn't miss something obvious too |
| 10:09.12 | djph | I'd go with a brother, HP is good too ... but they seem to be overpriced for what you get anymore |
| 10:09.29 | TotalOblivion | brother? |
| 10:09.42 | TotalOblivion | I'm up for other suggestions as well djph :) |
| 10:10.02 | TotalOblivion | lexmark has better support? |
| 10:14.49 | djph | lexmark are crap ... |
| 10:15.02 | djph | unless they've turned themselves around in the last 4-5 years |
| 10:15.13 | djph | but HP / Brother are my personal Go-to's |
| 10:15.36 | djph | (note - I do laser, and laser alone ... inkjet are a waste of money) |
| 10:19.59 | TotalOblivion | will go for laser yes |
| 10:25.24 | TotalOblivion | Devuan ships with hplip i presume right? |
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| 10:31.11 | gnarface | well it's in the ceres repo at least |
| 10:31.13 | gnarface | so probably yes |
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| 10:32.11 | TotalOblivion | djph, epson any good? |
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| 11:23.51 | buZz | parazyd: i installed a pi3 with jessie, upgraded to ascii, and had issues with alsa, turned out /dev/snd/* was 600 and root:root |
| 11:23.59 | buZz | not sure where i should report this? |
| 11:24.33 | parazyd | should be root:audio, no? |
| 11:24.42 | buZz | i made it root:audio and 660 |
| 11:24.46 | buZz | and now functions |
| 11:24.56 | parazyd | i'm not sure why that happens. as you can see, snd_bcmXXXX loads with modprobe |
| 11:25.11 | parazyd | maybe there are some params that can be passed |
| 11:25.45 | buZz | only param it was is; |
| 11:25.46 | buZz | parm: force_bulk:Force use of vchiq bulk for audio (bool) |
| 11:25.48 | buZz | has* |
| 11:26.28 | parazyd | bleh. could hackit into /etc/rc.local then |
| 11:26.42 | buZz | thats what i did ;) |
| 11:26.43 | buZz | lol |
| 11:27.14 | buZz | i also added a nfs mount to fstab and wanted to add a bind mount of that to elsewhere, wasnt going, so added the bindmount to rc.local aswell :P |
| 11:27.38 | buZz | nice and ducktapey |
| 11:28.19 | parazyd | yeah |
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| 11:30.44 | buZz | either way, i'm sure some user will run into it eventually |
| 11:30.59 | buZz | i'll just email to DNG i guess, so its at least findable :P |
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| 11:47.47 | parazyd | ok :) |
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| 11:52.04 | buZz | :) |
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| 21:10.48 | Hum | Feel free to optimize it! My version of screenfetch doesn't have a Devuan logo |
| 21:12.49 | Hum | I used jave.de (option watermarking). If you don't know screenfetch: https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch or apt-get install screenfetch && screenfetch |
| 21:15.28 | Hum | The Devuan is a little bit to big for the logo, maybe just DEVUAN is better |
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| 21:33.53 | g4570n | Hum: How do you include a custom logo on screenfetch? What file do you edit? |
| 21:37.46 | Hum | I didn't have a look at it. How about filing a bug report/feature request at https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch ? |
| 21:39.05 | g4570n | reading the man, there is the option -A but it does not specify how it is used |
| 21:40.18 | Hum | I guess you can just choose logo from the included ones |
| 21:41.15 | g4570n | screenfetch -A 'Debian' LOL |
| 21:42.44 | g4570n | Yes, that seems... test... screenfetch -A 'OpenBSD' |
| 21:43.14 | Hum | lol: less `which screenfetch` |
| 21:43.55 | Hum | in less: /"Debian") |
| 21:44.19 | Hum | the art is in the source ;) |
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| 21:45.29 | guru | should i use pkgmaster for my jessie box? or only ascii |
| 21:45.41 | guru | right now i have auto.mirror as my repo |
| 21:46.24 | Hum | I am sorry, I don't know anything about, you are the guru ;) |
| 21:47.20 | fsmithred | you can use pkgmaster for jessie, but you don't have to. You should use pkgmaster for ascii. |
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| 21:55.16 | g4570n | Hum: this file is the one to edit, line 3046 https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch/blob/master/screenfetch-dev#L3046 |
| 22:05.04 | g4570n | I tried pkgmaster and did not get the package descriptions, I have the 3 repos (jessie, ascii, unstable), also when I did an 'apt upgrade' I wanted to update many packages. Returning to auto.mirror is solved, this last |
| 22:06.39 | guru | fsmithred: thanks |
| 22:07.30 | fsmithred | you're running a mixed system like that? |
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| 22:08.26 | blinkdog | A frankenvuan? |
| 22:09.16 | Hum | frankenvuan doesn't have systemd |
| 22:09.33 | g4570n | Yes, this is a tests system |
| 22:12.40 | MinceR | :D |
| 22:12.54 | MinceR | Lightning init system |
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| 22:27.11 | TotalOblivion | I miss devuan already T_T |
| 22:27.40 | fsmithred | where did it go? |
| 22:29.32 | TotalOblivion | I had scanner issues so i had to go back to windows for now.... Something died inside me... |
| 22:30.16 | fsmithred | I ran win98 in vmware on etch for a long time so I could keep using my scanner. |
| 22:30.31 | Xenguy | There is dual boot, but that can take some work |
| 22:30.34 | TotalOblivion | Will dual boot though. So I will check if I can use my scanner from a VM in windows |
| 22:30.56 | Xenguy | I suppose VMs or containers would be the thing nowadays |
| 22:31.10 | TotalOblivion | Xenguy, I've always dual booted tbh. I'm actually waiting to upgrade my system so I can VM much easier. Exactly then goodbye windows for life |
| 22:31.43 | Xenguy | VM under *nix is where W!ndows belongs ; -) |
| 22:32.05 | Xenguy | But horsepower, yeah |
| 22:34.04 | Hum | the nightmare of a linux user: My scanner works with windows only |
| 22:34.21 | Xenguy | Fortunately my last scanner worked fine on Linux |
| 22:34.31 | Xenguy | Gave up the ghost tho |
| 22:36.02 | TotalOblivion | i agree Xenguy :) |
| 22:36.08 | TotalOblivion | and I'll try to go full amd |
| 22:37.43 | TotalOblivion | And next printer/scanner I'll check if it's linux compatible |
| 22:37.59 | TotalOblivion | At least I got a nice taste of devuan :3 |
| 22:38.14 | Xenguy | Come back soon :) |
| 22:38.41 | TotalOblivion | I shall! And next time it'll be for good :D |
| 22:38.41 | Xenguy | Linux users just have to research hardware compatibility, but that's not so hard |
| 22:38.55 | Xenguy | o/ |
| 22:39.03 | TotalOblivion | Not so much research nowadays. Everything is much better and compatible |
| 22:39.27 | Xenguy | No major disappointments here to report |
| 22:39.42 | Xenguy | Hardware-wise I mean |
| 22:40.03 | Xenguy | But my laptops are Thinkpads, for just that reason |
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| 22:47.18 | TotalOblivion | How hard is it to maintain a package and does it require extensive dev/code knowledge? |
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| 22:47.46 | fsmithred | depends on the package |
| 22:48.58 | fsmithred | TotalOblivion, you got one in mind? |
| 22:49.45 | TotalOblivion | Yeah. Plex actually. Provided I can make it work. But I'm neither a coder, not a dev. :P |
| 22:50.22 | fsmithred | well, if you don't need to change any of the code, you just need to know about packaging. |
| 22:50.40 | fsmithred | and maybe some scripting for pre/post install stuff |
| 22:50.47 | TotalOblivion | Cool. |
| 22:51.01 | TotalOblivion | Will keep it in mind when I get back into devuan :) |
| 22:51.45 | gnarface | TotalOblivion: chapters 6 and 8: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 22:52.07 | gnarface | it's more complicated to read about it than actually do it |
| 22:52.31 | fsmithred | so true |
| 22:52.36 | gnarface | (assuming the original package creator showed some basic organizational restraint) |
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| 23:27.57 | greenjeans | organizational restraint? |
| 23:30.09 | greenjeans | i use post-it notes |
| 23:39.24 | greenjeans | purpy ones |
| 23:42.56 | golinux | :D |
| 23:44.14 | Xenguy | All hail Devuan, the Debian that might have been |
| 23:48.46 | greenjeans | gotta run, ya'll stay safe, @Golinux I hope you get to feeling better! |
| 23:53.16 | blinkdog | Are you not feeling well, golinux? |