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| 03:07.19 | bill-auger | astronavt: if you dont mind a rolling distro parabola has just released an openRC version https://wiki.parabola.nu/Get_Parabola - these are still beta - any feedback is appreciated |
| 03:07.42 | astronavt | bill-auger i actually got Arch to boot |
| 03:07.46 | astronavt | golinux: ^ |
| 03:08.04 | astronavt | tbh i really do like the declarative nature of systemd... are there any "alternative" init systems that can read systemd unit files? |
| 03:08.30 | astronavt | rather, a dumb plain init system and a nice process manager ;) |
| 03:08.52 | golinux | That's a bit of good news |
| 03:09.20 | golinux | Have you gotten to devuan yet? |
| 03:10.03 | astronavt | nope, i was just so happy to boot a working system that i started finally writing my "personal comprehensive guide to arch" that ive been wanting to write |
| 03:10.26 | astronavt | "all of the things i always need to Google" |
| 03:10.32 | astronavt | don't worry devuan is on my list |
| 03:10.37 | astronavt | is there a text-mode installer? |
| 03:10.41 | bill-auger | ok i guess that threw me then - apparently you do not consider archlinux to be a major distro |
| 03:10.53 | astronavt | eh, i was trying to avoid it |
| 03:11.14 | astronavt | maybe i meant like, "consumer distro" |
| 03:11.37 | bill-auger | ok maybe yoy meant "user-friendly" distro |
| 03:11.43 | astronavt | heh |
| 03:13.39 | bill-auger | so it seems the source of your problem is that you are hoping to put a user-friendly distro on an unfriendly device |
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| 14:17.04 | ata2001 | Hi! |
| 14:18.28 | underd0g | sup |
| 14:18.56 | ata2001 | I installed debian on my computer, then relized, I can't remove systemd, and switch to openrc, because some of my applicantions depend on it. Do I have to reinstall my whole system? |
| 14:21.51 | ata2001 | to get rid of systemd |
| 14:22.05 | DPA | You could try to upgrade to devuan by editing the source lists. But I can't garantee that all your applications will be in the repos. |
| 14:23.15 | DPA | https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:24.07 | ata2001 | DPA: Thanks, I was thinking about that, but wasn't sure it will just work. I will try to switch after making a full disk img backup. |
| 14:25.24 | DPA | Devuan jessie is the current devuan stable, but debian stable is stretch which equals devuan ascii. After that, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade should work. |
| 14:27.18 | ata2001 | but I've just upgraded to buster |
| 14:27.55 | ata2001 | does devuan have a release channel, that matches debian buster? |
| 14:28.26 | ata2001 | also, I guess the packages are signed, where can I find the GPG key? |
| 14:29.34 | DPA | I beleave that would be equal to beowolf, but it's not available yet. |
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| 14:31.23 | DPA | The gpg key is in the devuan-keyring package, and I beleave the one on https://files.devuan.org may be the same. |
| 14:31.24 | golinux | ata2001: Confirmed. Buster will be our Beowulf and is not yet available. |
| 14:31.38 | blinkdog | https://devuan.org/os/keyring/ |
| 14:32.41 | golinux | Some folks have done stretch to ascii upgrade but ymmv |
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| 14:34.17 | ata2001 | Thanks everyone, I'm going to wait for Beowulf and try to upgrade. |
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| 19:02.43 | freem | Hello. Is there is a way to avoid using startx or xinit as root, in ascii? |
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| 19:17.52 | jaromil | I guess is better found in the Xorg documentation. I currently use: startx -- vt1 -nolisten tcp |
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| 19:43.14 | zyliwax | how often does the kernel upgrade in devuan? |
| 19:43.56 | metti | what kind a version do you use |
| 19:44.11 | metti | the stable one shouldn't switch a lot or even never |
| 19:46.19 | zyliwax | i've been using a linux-libre kernel outside the main tree for newness and libre-ness |
| 19:46.48 | zyliwax | but i am considering using devuan for a "server" that cares about "uptime" |
| 19:51.46 | AlexLikeRock__ | devuan : stable, test, Unstable metti |
| 20:16.00 | metti | than zyliwax devuan should be the thing for you |
| 20:16.27 | metti | in my oppinion devuan is rock solid like debion |
| 20:16.32 | metti | debian |
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| 21:43.03 | TheTrueHooha | I'm in #mpv and have discovered that the version of mpv you have in your repo is from 2015, two years old |
| 21:43.15 | TheTrueHooha | Why is this when mainline debian has updated their own repo |
| 21:46.59 | fsmithred | debian upgraded a version in oldstable??? |
| 21:49.41 | TheTrueHooha | They did, as I recall, when I was using it |
| 21:49.53 | fsmithred | I'm checking |
| 21:49.56 | golinux | Indeed. Old stable is two years old. What else would you expect. |
| 21:49.59 | TheTrueHooha | Your version is rom 2015 btw, and #mpv says my onl problem is outdated stware |
| 21:50.07 | fsmithred | nope. same versions as debian. |
| 21:50.28 | fsmithred | I think I started working on jessie in 2013, so some software might be older than that. |
| 21:51.14 | fsmithred | 0.6.2-2 in jessie/jessie and 0.23.0-2+b2 in stretch/ascii |
| 21:51.34 | golinux | The Declaration was in Dec. 2014. |
| 21:51.55 | golinux | It just seems longer. ;) |
| 21:52.20 | fsmithred | when did jessie go into testing from unstable? |
| 21:54.02 | fsmithred | ok, not 2013 |
| 21:54.37 | golinux | Ah Maybe you were talking about DEBIAN jessie. |
| 21:54.57 | fsmithred | yes |
| 21:55.07 | fsmithred | when it was still sid |
| 21:55.37 | fsmithred | anyway, debian's stable is our testing right now |
| 21:57.07 | fsmithred | gotta go. back in an hour or two. |
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| 22:51.34 | Xenguy | c |
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| 23:01.09 | qoil | hi i recently installed devuan on my laptop, dual boot with gentoo. i want to install wireless drivers - so i tried to do it in a roundabout way; i need ndiswrapper for my particular card, so i've chrooted from gentoo and wanted to apt-get install ndiswrapper but it doesnt work |
| 23:02.01 | qoil | anyway, i tried to apt-get install wireless-tools, it did something but then started asking for the CD i installed from? im wondering if the repos havent been updated |
| 23:25.23 | golinux | qoil: Do you have contrib and non-free enabled? |
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| 23:27.10 | golinux | Check here for sources.list info https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:46.35 | greenjeans | anybody know if gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs is acutally needed for anything anymore? |
| 23:46.57 | greenjeans | used to be for shoutcast I think, but streaming radio works fine without it |
| 23:47.28 | fsmithred | qoil, you should not need ndiswrapper. What wireless card do you have? |
| 23:48.03 | qoil | it's inprocomm wireless |
| 23:48.16 | qoil | ipn2220 |
| 23:48.32 | fsmithred | never heard of it |
| 23:48.37 | fsmithred | is that what lspci shows? |
| 23:48.41 | qoil | yes |
| 23:48.56 | fsmithred | is it intel? |
| 23:50.38 | fsmithred | firmware-ipw2x00 is probably the firmware package you need to install |
| 23:50.47 | fsmithred | from non-free |
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| 23:51.18 | fsmithred | and if you don't want apt to ask you to insert the CD, comment out the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list (or disable it in synaptic) |
| 23:51.48 | greenjeans | no |
| 23:51.55 | fsmithred | but make sure you have the main repo enabled: |
| 23:52.00 | fsmithred | no what? |
| 23:52.14 | greenjeans | inprocomm is no loger around, only ndiswrapper will work, it's not an intel chip |
| 23:52.21 | fsmithred | damn |
| 23:53.00 | greenjeans | at least that's the info I have at the moment |
| 23:54.10 | fsmithred | no ndiswrapper is jessie, but it is in ascii and ceres. I don't know if it will work in jessie. |
| 23:54.23 | greenjeans | might be able to get the old driver from Acer if they have an archive |
| 23:54.34 | fsmithred | oops. It's only at pkgmaster, not auto.mirror |
| 23:56.51 | greenjeans | older chip that one, like 2005 or older |
| 23:57.14 | greenjeans | i'd be interested to know if it can still work |
| 23:57.17 | qoil | i have a driver, i just wanted to get ndiswrapper |
| 23:57.23 | qoil | it works fine on gentoo |
| 23:57.32 | greenjeans | ndiswrapper is in the kernel now isn't it? |
| 23:58.06 | fsmithred | there's a package in ascii/stretch |
| 23:58.27 | greenjeans | I think you just need ndiswrapper-utils |
| 23:58.36 | fsmithred | I don't actually know anything about it. I think I used it once about 15 years ago. |
| 23:58.37 | qoil | how do i check if i have contrib / non-free enabled |
| 23:58.48 | greenjeans | etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:59.13 | greenjeans | ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 23:59.14 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 23:59.17 | greenjeans | jessie package |
| 23:59.18 | qoil | i haev that line^ |
| 23:59.24 | fsmithred | good |
| 23:59.34 | fsmithred | you see it in jessie? |
| 23:59.35 | qoil | but it's deb cdrom:[etc |
| 23:59.50 | fsmithred | no, comment out the cdrom line |
| 23:59.54 | fsmithred | add the one I posted |