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| 09:34.53 | AntoFox | o/ morning |
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| 09:49.02 | m712_ | hello! |
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| 09:50.58 | m712_ | i am currenrly typing via onboard on an xfce4-terminal running inside an xfce4 session with *8framebuffer Xorg* on a Samsung Gaaxy S3! |
| 09:52.00 | m712_ | i am running devuan and xfce on android |
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| 09:54.21 | m712_ | wifi works, not sure about cellular (how to test?), touchscreen works |
| 09:54.41 | m712_ | xfce is sluggish but works |
| 09:58.24 | m712_ | the screenis a little tiny |
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| 10:01.30 | gnarface | how about glxgears, m712_ ? |
| 10:01.35 | gnarface | congrats btw |
| 10:02.26 | Vizva | how to restart networking |
| 10:02.44 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.55 | gnarface | that may not do what you want though |
| 10:03.01 | gnarface | (depending on your configuration) |
| 10:03.17 | gnarface | it may be better to stop then start it |
| 10:03.24 | Vizva | its decrecated |
| 10:03.32 | Vizva | its deprecated |
| 10:03.56 | gnarface | deprecated? who told you that? |
| 10:03.57 | Vizva | it may not re-enable someinterfaces * blablabla |
| 10:04.11 | Vizva | the minimal live iso |
| 10:04.59 | gnarface | well it can't re-enable any interfaces it doesn't find defined /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:05.15 | gnarface | defined in that file |
| 10:05.33 | gnarface | the minimal live iso may have a dhcp client running though |
| 10:05.36 | gnarface | i'm not sure |
| 10:05.42 | gnarface | if it does, it might be better to just restart that |
| 10:06.20 | Vizva | i did write wlan0 now in side auto |
| 10:06.29 | gnarface | also maybe the live iso is using openrc by default (i don't actually know) |
| 10:06.36 | Vizva | but it say it dont know this interface but i come on ifconfig -a |
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| 10:07.05 | gnarface | it has to have been in there before you stopped the network |
| 10:07.34 | gnarface | i think it can get confused if something was manually created before being added to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:07.47 | Vizva | i stop now |
| 10:07.58 | Vizva | and start but it dont know my wlan0 |
| 10:08.08 | gnarface | show me your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:08.24 | gnarface | not in channel, pastebinit |
| 10:08.36 | gnarface | don't forget to scrub the wifi passwords if they're in there |
| 10:08.52 | Vizva | auto lo |
| 10:09.09 | Vizva | iface lo inet loopback |
| 10:09.15 | gnarface | no not in here, |
| 10:09.15 | Vizva | auto wlan0 |
| 10:09.19 | gnarface | use paste.debian.net |
| 10:09.24 | Vizva | its not more |
| 10:09.29 | gnarface | OH |
| 10:09.51 | gnarface | did that ever work |
| 10:09.51 | gnarface | ? |
| 10:10.02 | Vizva | i start today wwith that live cd |
| 10:10.08 | Vizva | i want to make install it |
| 10:10.24 | Vizva | ineed network to download packages |
| 10:10.30 | Vizva | or start a installer |
| 10:10.40 | gnarface | i've never tried it myself, but that wlan0 looks like it's short on configuration |
| 10:10.49 | Vizva | yes |
| 10:10.56 | gnarface | there might be a script provided |
| 10:11.06 | Vizva | i see it in iconfig -a |
| 10:11.09 | Vizva | buts unknown |
| 10:13.01 | gnarface | check for packages wpa_supplicant and *dhcp* |
| 10:14.24 | gnarface | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse if you skip down to the command-line section here, i think it's still accurate |
| 10:14.29 | gnarface | try it, if you get lost i'll help |
| 10:14.30 | gnarface | brb |
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| 10:34.16 | gnarface | Vizva: i'm back, any progress? |
| 10:34.42 | gnarface | Vizva: i forgot to mention, there might be some useful scripts in /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin |
| 10:34.47 | gnarface | not sure |
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| 10:37.08 | fsr | Vizva, are you using the minimal live iso? If so, you could run setnet.sh to set up wireless |
| 10:37.35 | fsr | but if you want to configure in network/interfaces file, you need more than 'auto wlan0' |
| 10:37.38 | Vizva | work now thank you |
| 10:38.07 | fsr | cool |
| 10:38.08 | Vizva | gnarface it feels good to go down lika that to basics :P |
| 10:38.54 | gnarface | yes, i agree. i find it's the best way to keep things simple |
| 10:39.32 | gnarface | after a few more layers of graphical abstraction it just starts getting more confusing |
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| 10:41.39 | Vizva | i want to do installtion now |
| 10:41.54 | Vizva | the installer i cannot find it |
| 10:42.17 | Vizva | devuan-installer ? |
| 10:42.39 | gnarface | there should be some script on there |
| 10:42.42 | gnarface | i'm not sure what it's called |
| 10:43.20 | gnarface | if you found one called devuan-installer that was already installed, that's likely to be it |
| 10:43.35 | gnarface | otherwise, check in /usr/local/sbin and /usr/local/bin would be my first guess |
| 10:43.46 | gnarface | i don't really know much about the minimal live setup |
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| 10:46.47 | Vizva | It is also equipped to work well for blind people. |
| 10:46.57 | Vizva | lol iam not blind but i dont see anything |
| 10:47.06 | Vizva | maybe later |
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| 10:49.05 | gnarface | i'm sure it's been answered on the forums |
| 10:49.16 | gnarface | i wonder if the info bot has it |
| 10:49.20 | gnarface | any info on it |
| 10:49.36 | Vizva | !live-cd |
| 10:49.44 | Vizva | is there such a bot here? |
| 10:49.57 | gnarface | there was... |
| 10:50.07 | gnarface | maybe it's offline |
| 10:50.52 | gnarface | ah |
| 10:50.58 | gnarface | Vizva: https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/README.txt |
| 10:51.26 | gnarface | it says in this file here, to use the refractainstaller script |
| 10:53.13 | fsr | yes, run refractainstaller |
| 10:53.15 | Vizva | i did install it on a harddisk now |
| 10:53.22 | gnarface | Vizva: it also mentions that it's recommended to use one of the regular installer images instead of a live image for installation, which i feel i should also just point out in case this is your first time with a debian derivative; a netinstall image in expert mode is really useful actually and |
| 10:53.27 | Vizva | but thats still a squash |
| 10:53.52 | fsr | what's still a squash? |
| 10:53.52 | Vizva | i have some old usb harddisk and i did cp the iso on it |
| 10:53.57 | gnarface | Vizva: ... gives you a lot of customization options |
| 10:54.30 | fsr | you didn't just |
| 10:54.32 | fsr | you did |
| 10:54.45 | fsr | no, run the installer to get a regular installation |
| 10:54.52 | gnarface | what's a squash? like the gourd? |
| 10:54.55 | fsr | no |
| 10:55.00 | fsr | filesystem.squashfs |
| 10:55.06 | fsr | the live system |
| 10:55.15 | Vizva | such a filesystem all custumisations lost after reboot |
| 10:55.24 | fsr | is that what you want? |
| 10:55.28 | Vizva | no |
| 10:55.40 | Vizva | i want to isntall it to another harddisk |
| 10:56.37 | Vizva | i start it now |
| 10:56.50 | Vizva | its on console without colors |
| 10:57.04 | fsr | yes, minimal live has no X, no desktop |
| 10:57.22 | fsr | you can add more after you install |
| 10:57.23 | Vizva | but this is fun |
| 10:57.31 | Vizva | becasue new for me |
| 10:58.09 | Vizva | i want a very minimal installation |
| 10:58.21 | Vizva | and later the most things should be zfs |
| 10:58.23 | gnarface | the regular installers are in here, the NETINST ones are the online installers: https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/ |
| 10:58.52 | gnarface | you can also do a minimal install with that |
| 10:59.05 | gnarface | if you just go into expert mode and at tasksel don't check any of the boxes |
| 10:59.06 | Vizva | i did do a apt-cache search |
| 10:59.10 | Vizva | for installer |
| 10:59.52 | fsr | I don't think refractainstaller will show up that way |
| 10:59.53 | Vizva | i need to go into later now go to eat thx |
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| 11:31.46 | blap | i wonder why xscreensaver packages are missing a lot of the modules from jwz.org |
| 11:37.23 | blap | set someone's x-terminal to /usr/lib/xscreensaver/phosphor -program sh |
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| 11:57.03 | fsr | jwz.org seems to be missing something - usable links |
| 11:57.16 | gnarface | blap: i recall some sort of melt down over one nvidia glx implementation misbehavior, that may be why a lot of them got abandoned |
| 11:57.37 | gnarface | the abandoned ones were never fixed for nvidia, so they probably aren't in anyone's default xscreensaver installation anymore |
| 11:57.40 | gnarface | that would be my guess |
| 11:57.52 | blap | mhm i recall there was a glmatrix that would fade in and out a background image |
| 11:57.56 | blap | do you remember that? |
| 11:58.05 | gnarface | but i think if you search for other packages with 'xscreen' as a substring of the name you can get most of them back |
| 11:58.20 | gnarface | ymmv |
| 11:58.33 | gnarface | one of them froze on me in jessie recently i forget which one |
| 11:58.46 | gnarface | might have been Steam's fault dunno |
| 11:58.55 | blap | ah maybe xscreensaver-gl-extra |
| 11:59.05 | gnarface | apt-cache search ^xscreen |
| 11:59.17 | gnarface | yea read the docs, such as they are, some of them are neat |
| 11:59.27 | gnarface | bsod is fun for screwing with windows users |
| 11:59.34 | blap | is just odd, the new xmatrix doesn't do the creepy fade-in of pictures |
| 11:59.38 | blap | heh |
| 11:59.42 | blap | glmatrix |
| 11:59.42 | gnarface | oh |
| 11:59.51 | gnarface | yea there's two different matrix screensavers |
| 12:00.03 | gnarface | one of them is not movie-authentic but behaves more like a real terminal would loook |
| 12:00.21 | gnarface | i forget which is which |
| 12:01.27 | blap | xmatrix is the 2d version, glmatrix does it in opengl |
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| 12:24.46 | Fervi | yep, sorry for question - any news about Devuan Beowulf? :P |
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| 15:05.59 | Vizva | where is the zfs dkms? |
| 15:07.10 | Vizva | backports maybe |
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| 15:08.41 | Vizva | i dont find it but it was in jessie |
| 15:10.18 | fsr | yes, it's in jessie-backports |
| 15:11.30 | Hum | curses: https://inconsolation.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/cmatrix-none-the-worse-for-wear/ curses and network traffic: https://inconsolation.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/ncmatrix-the-original-with-a-twist/ |
| 15:11.39 | Vizva | i did apt-cache search but dont find it |
| 15:12.00 | fsr | maybe you need to add backports to sources.list |
| 15:12.01 | Hum | about curses and matrix screensaver |
| 15:12.06 | Vizva | i did |
| 15:13.01 | fsr | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 15:13.01 | fsr | and it's in contrib, so you need that |
| 15:13.16 | Vizva | thx |
| 15:13.53 | fsr | remember to update after making changes in sources |
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| 15:14.33 | Vizva | sure |
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| 15:20.34 | Vizva | i did install the installer but cannot find |
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| 15:29.55 | Vizva | it is not for this case |
| 15:30.21 | fsr | apt-cache policy zfs-dkms should show you |
| 15:30.23 | fsr | 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1 0 |
| 15:30.23 | fsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.52 | Vizva | iam still on that squash iso |
| 15:31.04 | fsr | shouldn't matter |
| 15:31.14 | Vizva | i want to insatl and i know now howto do it |
| 15:31.19 | fsr | if you added backports to sources.list and updated, you should see it |
| 15:31.50 | Vizva | yes but this come later since there is not a easy support to do zfs on root encrypted |
| 15:32.24 | fsr | make sure you added backports correctly - I posted the line above |
| 15:32.30 | Vizva | therefore i want to use a usb with a very small system |
| 15:32.42 | Vizva | yes i did find zfs-dkms |
| 15:32.57 | Vizva | sorry that i didnt response |
| 15:33.42 | fsr | you want zfs on the usb, or you want to use the usb to install on zfs on hard drive? |
| 15:34.31 | Vizva | i want to use the usb for a very tiny system and then use a ssd inside my lap with luks and zfs |
| 15:34.50 | Vizva | only boot will be not encrypted |
| 15:34.57 | fsr | ok |
| 15:35.09 | Vizva | i did before now i will only think about do thsi with this iso |
| 15:36.03 | fsr | maybe you should make a usb with persistence, and then you can make changes to it that will survive a reboot, in case you need to install more than once |
| 15:36.03 | Vizva | but this refractainstaller it can do encryption after i download cryptsetup? |
| 15:36.26 | fsr | cryptsetup isn't installed on the minimal live? |
| 15:36.31 | fsr | and yes |
| 15:36.38 | Vizva | no |
| 15:36.49 | fsr | it can encrypt root fs and /home |
| 15:36.49 | Vizva | but i have internet now |
| 15:36.53 | fsr | but no lvm |
| 15:37.11 | Vizva | i dont need it bad lvm |
| 15:39.03 | fsr | um, you might need to change the installer |
| 15:39.39 | fsr | the one included in the iso will format the partitions with ext2/3/4 |
| 15:40.06 | fsr | there's a newer version that will let you turn that off - you can format filesystems before installing |
| 15:40.16 | Vizva | i did download devuan-installer but cannot find |
| 15:40.32 | fsr | and it won't re-format them |
| 15:40.35 | fsr | but I'm not sure if you can use encryptiong with that |
| 15:40.36 | Vizva | or maybe its only for rebooting |
| 15:40.43 | fsr | refractainstaller-base |
| 15:40.58 | Vizva | whats that? |
| 15:41.04 | fsr | what devuan-installer did you download? |
| 15:41.20 | fsr | refractainstaller is the installer included in the live isos |
| 15:41.21 | Vizva | its called debian-installer |
| 15:41.32 | fsr | oh, you know how to set that up? |
| 15:41.57 | Vizva | if its this graphical tool like in the msdos time , yes |
| 15:42.10 | Vizva | but iam not sure becasue i cannot start it |
| 15:42.39 | Vizva | this text tool with menus |
| 15:42.49 | fsr | yeah, I think you need to set up a local repository |
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| 15:46.05 | fsr | ok, if you want to use refractainstaller with zfs on an encrypted volume, you'll have to edit the script to replace mke2fs with whatever command makes a zfs. |
| 15:46.32 | fsr | that would involve editing one line for each partition that gets zfs |
| 15:46.50 | Vizva | the problem is there to get a booting system |
| 15:47.05 | fsr | why is that a problem? |
| 15:47.24 | Vizva | that dracut thing and so far isnt that easy |
| 15:47.38 | fsr | yikes, I don't know anything about dracut |
| 15:47.46 | fsr | never used it |
| 15:47.49 | Vizva | root on zfs is easy |
| 15:48.04 | Vizva | but encrypted thats a little bit difficult |
| 15:48.38 | Vizva | i did try yesterday and failed |
| 15:49.00 | fsr | have you done it with ext filesystems before? |
| 15:49.12 | Vizva | and therefore i choose now to use a usb with a minimal system and then send out everything possible to a encrypted zfs |
| 15:49.28 | Vizva | yes |
| 15:49.36 | Vizva | ext4 is easy too |
| 15:49.51 | fsr | where did it fail? |
| 15:49.57 | Vizva | so my minumal usb system will be ext4 encrypted |
| 15:50.28 | Vizva | my ZFS encrypted system is still on ssd |
| 15:50.44 | Vizva | but i have not a /boot thats for |
| 15:50.54 | fsr | if the usb is just for installing to ssd, you don't need to encrypt the usb |
| 15:51.09 | Vizva | i can reach it the question is when luks starts and when zfs come along |
| 15:51.40 | Vizva | i need the usb becasue it should have a part of system /boot and encrypted root |
| 15:52.33 | fsr | you will keep /boot and / on the usb? |
| 15:52.41 | fsr | instead of on the ssd? |
| 15:52.44 | Vizva | only minimal |
| 15:52.58 | Vizva | its avery fast usb a sandisk Extreme |
| 15:53.14 | Vizva | fast near like a sdd |
| 15:53.39 | fsr | the way the installer does it is... |
| 15:53.46 | fsr | cryptsetup luksFormat blah... |
| 15:53.55 | fsr | cryptsetup luksOpen blah... |
| 15:54.09 | fsr | then mke2fs ... |
| 15:54.14 | Vizva | i do this by hand no problem |
| 15:54.27 | fsr | then rsync to copy the live system to hard drive |
| 15:54.37 | fsr | you could do all of the manually |
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| 15:56.00 | fsr | you can even use the rsync excludes file that goes with the installer |
| 15:56.10 | fsr | then grub-install, either in chroot or with --root-directory option |
| 15:56.28 | fsr | (or maybe it's --boot-directory0 |
| 15:56.50 | fsr | oops - meant ) not 0 |
| 15:58.34 | Vizva | maybe this refractainstaller will work with dev/mapper entrys? |
| 15:58.52 | fsr | yes, it uses /dev/mapper |
| 15:59.07 | Vizva | the i create crypttab and iam finish |
| 15:59.37 | fsr | to use refractainstaller, you will need to replace the lines that make ext filesystem with lines that make zfs filesystem |
| 15:59.51 | fsr | and you will need a newer version of refractainstaller |
| 16:00.00 | fsr | I can give you line numbers and links |
| 16:00.13 | Vizva | i think i will make a system on usb |
| 16:00.28 | Vizva | and later bring out part to zfs on luks in ssd |
| 16:00.49 | Vizva | then iam sure that i dont get a problem with /boot |
| 16:01.21 | Vizva | patchwork family :) |
| 16:02.28 | Vizva | maybe you know this- i did use the system load complte the squash in memory |
| 16:02.37 | Vizva | complete |
| 16:03.07 | Vizva | ok i will stop now thinking - its too much for here :)# |
| 16:04.10 | fsr | oh, yes, you can boot into RAM and then re-use the same usb stick. |
| 16:04.17 | fsr | wow. never thought of that one. |
| 16:05.17 | fsr | but then you have to do it right the first time, or you lose all the preparations you made |
| 16:05.17 | fsr | I would use two usb sticks - one for the live system/installer, one for the target system |
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| 16:22.32 | Vizva | it ask me for encryption but failed |
| 16:22.42 | Vizva | i have busybox now |
| 16:23.07 | Vizva | there was a /boot partition and a big partition i did use them |
| 16:23.11 | Vizva | but failed |
| 16:23.35 | Vizva | this tool lokks beta for me but the creator did write something like that |
| 16:24.10 | Vizva | i try not a bigger image i am curious now |
| 16:25.30 | Xenguy | fsr: Aha, you changed your nick to 'hacker mode' ; -) |
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| 16:31.24 | Vizva | iam sorry but this minimal easy isnt worth shoot it up |
| 16:31.43 | Vizva | where can we file a bug report for it |
| 16:32.16 | Vizva | i try now bring my interface up again wlan0 |
| 16:32.54 | Vizva | with setnet |
| 16:33.57 | Vizva | i cannot bring it up but if i write some configuration into then it can come |
| 16:34.24 | Vizva | setnet.sh |
| 16:34.45 | Vizva | i want to bring the interface up but nothing |
| 16:36.37 | Vizva | ok without this channel i cant do today maybe |
| 16:37.06 | Vizva | thats should be not the case |
| 16:42.08 | fsr | does ifconfig show your wireless interface? |
| 16:42.31 | fsr | Xenguy, actually, I'm on laptop mode |
| 16:42.38 | Vizva | https://butterflyofdream.wordpress.com/2016/01/01/change-the-default-keyboard-layout-in-devuan/ |
| 16:43.02 | Vizva | and this should be come to https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/README.txt |
| 16:43.25 | Vizva | it can make you crazy with the wrong keyboard :) |
| 16:43.49 | Vizva | ifconfig show it always |
| 16:43.59 | Vizva | but i cannot bring it up |
| 16:44.01 | fsr | Vizva, what bug do you want to report? |
| 16:44.16 | Vizva | only if i write some configs from hand |
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| 16:44.40 | Vizva | i did use the installer with the strange name |
| 16:44.49 | Vizva | it ask me for encryption |
| 16:45.05 | Vizva | i did use partitions they are still there |
| 16:45.17 | Vizva | but no luck i got busybox |
| 16:45.54 | fsr | you won't get zfs unless you changed the installer script |
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| 16:46.06 | Vizva | no its no zfs now |
| 16:46.15 | fsr | how did you do that? |
| 16:46.24 | Vizva | i will do now a installation with unencrypted boot and encrypted root |
| 16:46.38 | Vizva | but it fail and it not my fault |
| 16:46.59 | Vizva | ok i will do again with a bigger system |
| 16:47.10 | Vizva | i want to see that the other installer still works |
| 16:47.45 | Vizva | this one is beta and the creator call it like that |
| 16:47.47 | fsr | you may need to rebuild initramfs |
| 16:48.04 | Vizva | i do only dont understand that this insstaller is on the cd if its beta |
| 16:48.10 | fsr | which installer are you talking about? |
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| 16:48.25 | Vizva | refractainstaller |
| 16:48.44 | Vizva | it did ask me questions i did answer correct |
| 16:49.33 | Vizva | i will download now the big iso and cp it on my usb |
| 16:50.01 | fsr | refractainstaller is not beta |
| 16:50.39 | fsr | there is a uefi installer, but that's graphical, and I call that one experimental |
| 16:50.47 | fsr | but only because uefi is such a cluster-fsck |
| 16:51.10 | Vizva | However, it is also possible to install this minimal live image on a |
| 16:51.10 | Vizva | hard disk by using the refractainstaller script shipped with it. I |
| 16:51.10 | Vizva | tested the installation on qemu and on bare-metal, and it worked quite |
| 16:51.10 | Vizva | well, but I cannot guarantee that it will work for you as well, so |
| 16:51.10 | Vizva | please use refractainstaller AT YOUR OWN RISK but feel free to drop me |
| 16:51.10 | Vizva | a line if it works. |
| 16:51.21 | fsr | all gpl software says that |
| 16:51.43 | Vizva | yes in my case it didnt work |
| 16:52.03 | Vizva | but i did not see it in many cases that such things dont work |
| 16:52.24 | fsr | might just be something simple to correct |
| 16:52.31 | Vizva | and setnet.sh dont work too |
| 16:52.50 | Vizva | it cannot bring up my wlan0 |
| 16:52.50 | fsr | if you run 'refractainstaller -d' you'll get a more verbose error log |
| 16:53.52 | Vizva | i thik it did maybe not write over my old configuration |
| 16:54.04 | Vizva | but it dont ask me todo this |
| 16:54.09 | fsr | I don't know setnet very well. Only used it a couple times |
| 16:54.21 | Vizva | it say me only that it find just a ext2 |
| 16:54.37 | fsr | what found ext2? |
| 16:54.44 | Vizva | my boot |
| 16:54.55 | Vizva | it was a ext2 before |
| 16:55.02 | Vizva | from old system |
| 16:55.05 | fsr | ok |
| 16:55.27 | Vizva | i think it didnt overwrite |
| 16:55.27 | fsr | did you change it? |
| 16:55.49 | Vizva | there was no question about i was think it will do |
| 16:55.59 | fsr | if you selected a separate partition for /boot in the installer, it would have been formatted |
| 16:56.09 | Vizva | yes maybe |
| 16:56.29 | fsr | I know that installer pretty well - I wrote it. |
| 16:56.29 | Vizva | i think i must dd it first |
| 16:56.37 | fsr | dd what? |
| 16:56.43 | Vizva | the partition |
| 16:57.13 | Vizva | dd it a little bit then it will be empty and created |
| 16:57.28 | fsr | oh, ok |
| 16:57.50 | fsr | but you still won't get zfs if you use the installer the way it is |
| 16:58.03 | Vizva | yes i know |
| 16:58.06 | fsr | ok |
| 16:58.21 | Vizva | i will install a encrypted system and outsource to zfs encrypted later |
| 16:59.27 | fsr | sounds harder that way |
| 16:59.27 | fsr | is there a single command to create a zfs filesystem like there is for ext4? |
| 16:59.44 | Vizva | i try now again and i dd the partition without encryption |
| 16:59.59 | Vizva | after i create a luks |
| 17:00.10 | Vizva | i use that mapper and do a zfs on it |
| 17:00.44 | Vizva | alot of commands only if you want special dataset for each partiion like /var and so far |
| 17:01.37 | Vizva | the good thing on zfs is for me i have such a defect disk its a ssd |
| 17:01.51 | Vizva | but with zfs it runs with |
| 17:01.59 | Vizva | for snapshot |
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| 18:38.14 | Vizva | fsr |
| 18:40.29 | Vizva | grub-install :warning attempting to install GRUB to a disk with multiple partition labels. This isnt supported yet ... |
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| 18:41.55 | peetaur | Hi. does LXC work in devuan? I have cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=12k) mounted, but I get https://bpaste.net/show/5ff8ecd64965 |
| 18:44.18 | fsr | Vizva, I don't understand the message. What partition labels do you have, and are they necessary? |
| 18:44.55 | Vizva | i did delete the old partition and create 2 new |
| 18:45.20 | Vizva | a ext2 256 mb and a ext4 encrypted 39 GB |
| 18:45.54 | Vizva | before i did use the hd on usb with the iso squash system |
| 18:46.05 | Vizva | i try now again |
| 18:46.23 | Vizva | again error |
| 18:46.41 | Vizva | so for this installer you need to use a disk very prepared before |
| 18:47.10 | `3m | Vizva: Did you try the live-install? |
| 18:47.14 | fsr | did you dd an isohybrid image to the usb? |
| 18:47.14 | fsr | dd or cat |
| 18:47.18 | Vizva | or did i something wrong in parted? |
| 18:47.40 | fsr | did you dd or cat the isohybrid image directly to the usb? |
| 18:47.59 | fsr | was the error message about partition labels or partition tables? |
| 18:48.12 | Vizva | like i write |
| 18:48.20 | Vizva | it was like copy it |
| 18:48.52 | fsr | peetaur, there are a couple of discussions about lxc at dev1galaxy.org |
| 18:48.55 | fsr | ok. that's weird, because I've used labels before and didn't have a problem with grub |
| 18:49.16 | Vizva | i will try now again with the fast usb |
| 18:49.29 | peetaur | next I'll try https://git.devuan.org/gregolsen/lxc-devuan and then I'll take a look there, thanks |
| 18:51.24 | fsr | Vizva, it's not necessary to have the partitions ready before you run the installer. You can run cgdisk inside the installer. |
| 18:51.29 | fsr | sorry, cfdisk |
| 18:52.33 | fsr | I'm not sure if cfdisk will create a new partition table. If not, you would need to run fdisk before running the installer. Just to create a blank partition table. |
| 18:53.01 | Vizva | but with cfdisk i cannot choose the disk |
| 18:53.12 | fsr | cfdisk /dev/sdX |
| 18:53.13 | Vizva | it will always use /dev/sda |
| 18:53.29 | Vizva | so start it outside the installer |
| 18:53.31 | Vizva | ok |
| 18:54.01 | fsr | not sure. I haven't used cfdisk in a long time. I have used cgdisk this week, and it asks which disk to use. |
| 18:54.57 | blap | ever see the isis flag? |
| 18:55.34 | fsr | Vizva, do you want ext or zfs on this installation? |
| 18:55.44 | Vizva | no zfs |
| 18:55.50 | fsr | ok |
| 18:56.13 | fsr | make your partitions before running the installer, but don't create the filesystems |
| 18:56.30 | Vizva | ididnt create anything |
| 18:56.36 | fsr | then the installer will ask if you want to partition, and you can say No thanks, I already have partitions. |
| 18:56.38 | peetaur | so far pretty bad...this key is in root's gpg keyring and apt's and yet it fails https://bpaste.net/show/9ffc2aecafe8 |
| 18:57.02 | Vizva | now it ask me proceed anyway |
| 18:57.13 | Vizva | but i did create the ext2 just now |
| 18:57.20 | Vizva | on sde1 |
| 18:57.25 | fsr | what is asking you? |
| 18:57.34 | Vizva | the installer |
| 18:57.34 | fsr | you're running cfdisk or installer now? |
| 18:57.36 | fsr | ok |
| 18:57.58 | Vizva | i hope he will write on the ext2 |
| 18:58.15 | Vizva | but its the old structure since i did create it new |
| 18:58.27 | fsr | yes, when it asks you for a partition for /boot, tell it which one, then it will ask which file system |
| 18:58.29 | Vizva | nad he did say when mounted last time |
| 18:59.26 | fsr | oh, if there is already a filesystem on the partition, mke2fs will ask you if you really want to format it. |
| 18:59.54 | Vizva | but it dont ask this |
| 19:00.06 | Vizva | its just say it see ext2 - proceed anyway? |
| 19:00.49 | fsr | y/N? |
| 19:01.08 | fsr | I hope we're talking about the same thing |
| 19:01.19 | Vizva | i did say y |
| 19:01.21 | fsr | if it's about to format the partition |
| 19:01.22 | fsr | good |
| 19:01.29 | Vizva | now it make swapspace |
| 19:01.38 | fsr | yeah, swap file |
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| 19:02.17 | Vizva | it want to make swap space 256 mb |
| 19:02.22 | fsr | yes |
| 19:02.26 | Vizva | its a little bit small |
| 19:02.31 | fsr | that can be changed in the config file |
| 19:02.42 | fsr | or you can make a new swap file after install is finished |
| 19:03.04 | fsr | most computers don't need swap now unless you want to hibernate |
| 19:03.42 | Vizva | yes and now ask me for the user name |
| 19:03.53 | Vizva | and this was befreo when it not boot up |
| 19:04.01 | Vizva | therefore i think there was not a error log |
| 19:04.06 | fsr | what do you mean? |
| 19:05.40 | Vizva | in the first when it not work |
| 19:05.56 | Vizva | you remember when i first talk thats not boot |
| 19:06.03 | fsr | yes, busybox |
| 19:06.21 | fsr | what does that have to do with user name? |
| 19:06.42 | Vizva | it was not say somenhting about error |
| 19:06.52 | Vizva | again busybox |
| 19:07.04 | Vizva | moment |
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| 19:07.24 | Vizva | modprobe module ehci-orion not found in modules.dep |
| 19:07.32 | fsr | yeah, it always says that |
| 19:07.55 | Vizva | and it say the disk by uuid dont exist |
| 19:07.58 | fsr | that's not the problem |
| 19:07.58 | fsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.19 | fsr | you might be able to boot from grub command line |
| 19:08.21 | Vizva | maybe its because together with cryptsetup |
| 19:08.47 | Vizva | it didnt ask me for the password |
| 19:08.48 | fsr | you installed cryptsetup, right? Did it rebuild the initramfs then? |
| 19:08.51 | Vizva | you know |
| 19:09.02 | aggrora | 7disconnect |
| 19:09.11 | aggrora | ops |
| 19:09.25 | Vizva | where can i see this now? |
| 19:10.04 | Vizva | its like on the other day when i want to use zfs with luks together |
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| 19:10.35 | fsr | I don't think you can see it now. |
| 19:11.16 | Vizva | i will now use the cd again |
| 19:11.20 | fsr | but maybe rebuild initrd and run installer again |
| 19:11.20 | fsr | and just to be sure... |
| 19:11.20 | fsr | hang on, need to check something |
| 19:11.25 | Vizva | and then install abigger system |
| 19:11.40 | Vizva | i have no luck today with this little iso |
| 19:11.43 | Vizva | can happen |
| 19:11.57 | fsr | CRYPTSETUP=y update-initramfs -u |
| 19:12.05 | Vizva | and there is too that i have such a usb |
| 19:12.14 | Vizva | not every os can hadle it |
| 19:12.29 | Vizva | where? |
| 19:12.44 | Vizva | on the busybox? |
| 19:13.45 | fsr | you don't want to try to boot from grub command line? |
| 19:13.45 | fsr | it's probably just confused about which disk is hd0 |
| 19:13.57 | fsr | once you're in, you run update-grub |
| 19:14.02 | fsr | no, from grub boot menu |
| 19:14.17 | Vizva | ok wait |
| 19:14.20 | fsr | press c to get grub prompt |
| 19:16.59 | Vizva | i did write |
| 19:17.09 | Vizva | on grub> |
| 19:17.13 | Vizva | nothing hapen |
| 19:17.21 | fsr | write what? |
| 19:17.29 | fsr | try this at grub prompt |
| 19:17.35 | fsr | set root=(hd |
| 19:17.35 | Vizva | what you did write for me |
| 19:17.57 | fsr | no, I haven't told you the grub commands yet |
| 19:17.58 | Vizva | ok missunderstanding |
| 19:18.04 | fsr | set root=(hd |
| 19:18.09 | Vizva | only this |
| 19:18.28 | fsr | then press TAB |
| 19:18.28 | fsr | maybe twice |
| 19:18.47 | fsr | it'll show you what drives you have |
| 19:18.55 | fsr | you probably can't tell which one is which from that |
| 19:18.58 | fsr | so try |
| 19:19.05 | fsr | set root=(hd0 |
| 19:19.07 | fsr | TAB |
| 19:19.19 | Vizva | hd0 -4 |
| 19:19.28 | Vizva | hd0 hd1 hd2 hd3 hd4 |
| 19:20.07 | fsr | add the 0 and TAB to see the partitions on hd0 |
| 19:20.23 | fsr | there should be enough info to figure out which drive it is |
| 19:20.41 | fsr | if it's not the right one, backspace to change hd0 to hd1 and TAB again |
| 19:21.20 | Vizva | now it comeplete the line always |
| 19:21.42 | fsr | can you tell which drive it is? |
| 19:22.18 | Vizva | it works only for hd0 |
| 19:22.27 | fsr | it should work for all drives |
| 19:23.00 | Vizva | if i use hd1 it complete the line only to ) |
| 19:23.31 | fsr | if it completed the line that I told you to write, then there is only one partition on the drive |
| 19:23.31 | fsr | if there's more than one, it should partially complete and ask you for the rest of the line |
| 19:23.43 | Vizva | so it should be hd1 |
| 19:24.04 | Vizva | but thats tsarnge because i have more disk inside |
| 19:24.08 | Vizva | strange |
| 19:24.38 | fsr | show me what the completed line looks like |
| 19:24.57 | Vizva | ? |
| 19:25.10 | Vizva | on hd1 it add ) only |
| 19:25.17 | fsr | set root=(hd1) |
| 19:25.19 | fsr | like that? |
| 19:25.29 | Vizva | yes |
| 19:25.34 | fsr | ok, try hd2 |
| 19:25.49 | Vizva | it show partitions only for the disk where i had the system before |
| 19:26.03 | Vizva | it do nothing there |
| 19:26.20 | fsr | then try 3 and 4 until you find the disk you want |
| 19:26.52 | fsr | if you changed the partitioning, and it's still showing the old partition layout, then you didn't really change the partitions |
| 19:29.11 | fsr | brb |
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| 19:37.58 | fsr | how goes the battle? |
| 19:39.10 | Vizva | i still wait for you :) |
| 19:39.36 | Vizva | set root=(hd0,gpt2) |
| 19:39.41 | fsr | oh |
| 19:39.47 | fsr | gpt |
| 19:40.05 | fsr | you need to partition with cgdisk, not cfdisk for gpt |
| 19:40.11 | fsr | is this also uefi? |
| 19:40.16 | Vizva | no |
| 19:40.21 | fsr | ok, good |
| 19:40.51 | Vizva | how can icheck thats correct? |
| 19:40.57 | Vizva | i think its gpt |
| 19:41.46 | fsr | and you know you can boot this hardware with gpt disks? |
| 19:41.46 | fsr | gpt2 is the /boot partition? |
| 19:42.13 | Vizva | root=boot? |
| 19:42.39 | Vizva | where the kernel is |
| 19:42.46 | fsr | set root=(hd0, |
| 19:42.48 | fsr | TAB |
| 19:42.55 | fsr | and it should list the partitions on hd0 |
| 19:43.16 | Vizva | omg |
| 19:43.22 | fsr | yes, set root to where the kernel is |
| 19:43.22 | Vizva | i did write it wrong |
| 19:43.27 | Vizva | its msdos |
| 19:43.31 | fsr | ok |
| 19:44.01 | Vizva | now i set it |
| 19:44.08 | Vizva | msdos1 |
| 19:44.14 | fsr | did you find the /boot partition? |
| 19:44.15 | fsr | ok |
| 19:44.30 | fsr | enter the completed line |
| 19:44.34 | fsr | then... |
| 19:44.50 | fsr | linux /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/sdXn |
| 19:45.03 | fsr | where /dev/sdXn is the root partition |
| 19:45.25 | fsr | you can tab-complete vmlinuz |
| 19:45.39 | fsr | if it doesn't complete, it's looking at the wrong partition |
| 19:47.10 | Vizva | sda1 sdb1 nowhere |
| 19:47.26 | fsr | huh? |
| 19:47.30 | Vizva | i think it did nit write into the /boot partition |
| 19:47.34 | Vizva | not |
| 19:47.45 | Vizva | for whatever reason |
| 19:47.47 | fsr | last step in cfdisk is Write |
| 19:47.53 | fsr | and then you have to type "yes" |
| 19:48.11 | Vizva | i did |
| 19:48.20 | fsr | or are you saying that /boot is empty? |
| 19:48.42 | Vizva | i cannot see now |
| 19:48.49 | Vizva | but i think i need to mount it |
| 19:48.53 | fsr | no |
| 19:49.01 | fsr | linux /vm |
| 19:49.03 | fsr | TAB |
| 19:49.14 | fsr | if it does not complete, then vmlinuz is not in the root of that partition |
| 19:49.30 | Vizva | there is |
| 19:49.34 | fsr | which suggests that it may be the wrong partition or the wrong drive |
| 19:49.54 | Vizva | system.map |
| 19:50.01 | Vizva | comfig* |
| 19:50.07 | Vizva | initramfs* |
| 19:50.12 | Vizva | and vmlinuz* |
| 19:50.18 | fsr | ok |
| 19:50.19 | fsr | did you enter the linux line? |
| 19:50.45 | fsr | linux /vmlinuz ro root=<your root partition> |
| 19:50.46 | Vizva | i did try with sda1 and sdb1 and sdc1 |
| 19:50.47 | fsr | then... |
| 19:50.54 | fsr | initrd /initrd.img |
| 19:50.56 | fsr | then... |
| 19:50.57 | fsr | boot |
| 19:51.30 | Vizva | but it say always error: file vmlinuz not found |
| 19:52.40 | Vizva | i did create the boot first |
| 19:52.49 | Vizva | so it should ne n=1 |
| 19:52.53 | Vizva | be |
| 19:53.37 | fsr | on the linux line, root=your root partition, not the boot partition |
| 19:54.06 | Vizva | yes i did write like you said |
| 19:54.18 | Vizva | with sda1 on end and the other |
| 19:54.18 | fsr | you set the boot partition with 'set root= |
| 19:54.35 | fsr | sda1 is boot partition? |
| 19:55.10 | Vizva | i did again |
| 19:55.11 | Vizva | now |
| 19:55.17 | fsr | which partition contains vmlinuz? |
| 19:55.58 | Vizva | hd0,msdos1 |
| 19:56.41 | fsr | which partition contains /etc, /bin/ and the others? |
| 19:56.58 | Vizva | hd0,msdos2 |
| 19:58.00 | Vizva | it must be a bug or what |
| 19:58.29 | Vizva | i can make a picture and send |
| 19:59.55 | fsr | set root=(hd0,msdos1) |
| 20:00.06 | fsr | linux /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/sda2 |
| 20:00.13 | fsr | initrd /initd.img |
| 20:00.14 | fsr | boot |
| 20:00.37 | Vizva | hm |
| 20:00.59 | Vizva | but on line 2 it say always /vmlinuz not found |
| 20:01.10 | Vizva | sda2? |
| 20:01.33 | Vizva | i treid with sda2 |
| 20:01.36 | Vizva | tried |
| 20:01.45 | Vizva | same |
| 20:02.55 | fsr | and if you just type 'linux /vm' |
| 20:03.06 | fsr | and TAB, does it complete the word or not? |
| 20:03.29 | Vizva | and the it shouldnt be file /vm not found |
| 20:03.56 | Vizva | ok mom |
| 20:04.07 | Vizva | yes it do |
| 20:04.17 | fsr | then it's there |
| 20:04.26 | fsr | it should work |
| 20:05.32 | Vizva | and i cannot write complete , no? |
| 20:05.40 | Vizva | like the whole kernel name |
| 20:05.50 | blap | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.02 | Vizva | its a bug |
| 20:06.48 | fsr | sorry, I don't understand |
| 20:06.54 | Vizva | me too |
| 20:07.02 | Vizva | i believe you but it dont work |
| 20:07.11 | fsr | if tab-completion is able to complete the word vmlinuz, then vmlinuz is there |
| 20:07.23 | Vizva | it could be one thing |
| 20:07.23 | fsr | you still need to type the rest of the line |
| 20:07.36 | Vizva | i had FreeBSD on this |
| 20:07.43 | Vizva | maybe there is some waste |
| 20:07.56 | Vizva | and it confuse the grub |
| 20:07.59 | fsr | maybe |
| 20:08.10 | Vizva | and many more |
| 20:08.12 | fsr | you might zero the first couple of megabytes of the drive |
| 20:08.32 | Vizva | i did try opensd too maybe |
| 20:08.42 | fsr | then create new partition table and make new partitions |
| 20:08.43 | Vizva | because i had some problems with usb 3.0 |
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| 20:10.50 | Vizva | thank you for try with me |
| 20:11.12 | fsr | you're welcome. Sorry we couldn't solve it now. |
| 20:11.53 | Vizva | your installer need something like hard-rocking wipe ;) |
| 20:12.05 | fsr | lol |
| 20:12.54 | fsr | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/the-right-one bs=512 count=4096 (or more) |
| 20:13.18 | fsr | wipe device, not partition |
| 20:13.25 | Vizva | and you did some luks before with ,yes? |
| 20:13.45 | fsr | so, just /dev/sda /dev/sdb or whatever, as long as it's the right drive |
| 20:13.58 | fsr | I've done luks before |
| 20:14.09 | Vizva | yes i must care about i have many others |
| 20:15.47 | fsr | I've done many encrypted installs, both with debian-installer and with my installer |
| 20:16.24 | fsr | maybe I'll try installing on zfs next week |
| 20:16.47 | fsr | I have to leave in a few minutes |
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| 21:07.11 | greenjeans | hi |
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| 21:08.19 | aitor | hi |
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| 21:09.57 | fugitive | hello |
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| 21:18.54 | blap | i have come to visit you in peace |
| 21:18.56 | blap | and with goodwill |
| 21:22.07 | aitor | i follow working on the live-sdk |
| 21:24.00 | aitor | i have problems removing some .udeb packages, see the blend_black_list() function: |
| 21:24.01 | aitor | https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/live-sdk/blob/master/blends/gnuinos-server/gnuinos-server.blend |
| 21:24.28 | aitor | i added lines like: rm -f $workdir/tmp_repo-$release/pool/DEVUAN/main/c/choose-mirror* |
| 21:24.48 | aitor | dirty solution |
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| 21:26.42 | aitor | Oops! There is a superfluous " !!! |
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| 21:32.38 | Hallodri | aitor you talk about code? |
| 21:32.53 | aitor | yes |
| 21:33.51 | aitor | i'm trying to build gnuinos using the simple distro kit: live-sdk |
| 21:36.08 | Hallodri | a os? |
| 21:36.34 | aitor | yes |
| 21:36.36 | Hallodri | have something to do with microsoft? |
| 21:36.50 | aitor | huh? |
| 21:37.19 | Hallodri | i did find the wrong pages then first |
| 21:37.29 | aitor | no, no, no, no... |
| 21:38.11 | Hallodri | what was sdk java? |
| 21:39.05 | Hallodri | i find a page about a live-cd |
| 21:40.12 | Hallodri | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=551 |
| 21:40.17 | aitor | nothing deals with java |
| 21:40.34 | aitor | neither eclipse :) |
| 21:41.14 | aitor | Hallodri: yes, that is |
| 21:42.44 | aitor | Hallodri: clone the following sources: |
| 21:42.50 | aitor | git clone https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/live-sdk.git |
| 21:43.04 | aitor | install the following packages: |
| 21:43.22 | aitor | https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/live-sdk/blob/master/builddeps |
| 21:44.01 | aitor | install squashfs-tools from ASCII |
| 21:44.09 | aitor | and run: |
| 21:44.13 | aitor | sudo su |
| 21:44.23 | aitor | zsh -f |
| 21:44.28 | aitor | source sdk |
| 21:44.44 | aitor | load devuan i386 gnuinos-server |
| 21:44.50 | aitor | build_iso_dist |
| 21:45.12 | aitor | that's all |
| 21:45.57 | Hallodri | i hope to see zfs in the future somewhere with luks |
| 21:46.12 | Hallodri | but there are problems with the licenses |
| 21:46.17 | aitor | zsh |
| 21:46.24 | aitor | zshell |
| 21:48.39 | aitor | bbl |
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| 22:14.36 | Hallodri | a devuan iso can simply cop to usb with cp? |
| 22:15.04 | Hallodri | copy |
| 22:15.33 | Hallodri | so that this is a working install media for example |
| 22:16.50 | matlock | no, you use dd |
| 22:17.20 | Hallodri | is this a change ? |
| 22:17.33 | Hallodri | in debian it was possible do this with cp |
| 22:26.17 | greenjeans | Refracta2usb <---awesome for doing liveusb's |
| 22:26.53 | greenjeans | Refracta-Installer <--if you want to do a conventional install on a usb |
| 22:27.59 | matlock | Hallodri I dug in and I see that now, interesting |
| 22:28.29 | matlock | Hallodri I don't know when that feature was introduced to cp and I don't know if it's been backported to jessie |
| 22:29.02 | matlock | the Refracta team is around if you hang around here long enough |
| 22:29.20 | Hallodri | the iso for devuan its the same style? |
| 22:30.00 | Hallodri | i search for some error |
| 22:30.13 | Hallodri | i have problems with the minimal iso |
| 22:30.28 | Hallodri | and now with the dvd install 4,7 GB |
| 22:30.42 | Hallodri | it say there are not kernel modules loaded |
| 22:31.28 | Hallodri | all this i did with cp a iso to a usb |
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| 22:34.10 | fugitive | You need to burn the iso |
| 22:34.54 | Hallodri | it work with the other system too |
| 22:37.11 | fugitive | just.. dd i=img.iso of=/dev/sd[b] bs=1M |
| 22:37.21 | fugitive | s/i/if |
| 22:37.35 | Hallodri | burn to usb ? :) |
| 22:37.59 | fugitive | if that is your question |
| 22:38.16 | Hallodri | you did say i need to burn it |
| 22:38.26 | Hallodri | now you tell me a command to copy it |
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| 22:40.29 | Hallodri | my question is , whats wrong with my tries to install |
| 22:41.18 | fugitive | there is big difference in dd && cp my friend.Personally, the only time I've used cp/rsync was when I was copying rootfs to arm based devices, or so. |
| 22:41.36 | fugitive | The stick won't be bootable if you just cp the iso on it |
| 22:42.09 | Hallodri | it will thats a new feature |
| 22:42.14 | Hallodri | try google |
| 22:42.34 | Hallodri | or may i search it for you |
| 22:44.09 | Hallodri | my question is - did the devan isos change, so that the have another strucure as before the debian ones |
| 22:44.25 | Hallodri | devuan |
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| 23:02.22 | matlock | fugitive there is an obscure option in cp on debian that will burn bootable isos, I just don't know when that feature was introduced and if it was backported to jessie |
| 23:02.37 | matlock | fugitive see https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 23:03.17 | matlock | Hallodri if you're on a platform that supports making bootable isos with cp then it should work with the devuan iso, I can't tell you if it works in devuan jessie |
| 23:03.48 | Hallodri | obscure is a judgement |
| 23:04.11 | Xenguy | Using cp to make a bootable ISO sounds non-traditional, for sure |
| 23:04.46 | matlock | Hallodri true, I've been using linux for a long time and this is the first I've heard of it, I've always used dd, but you learn something new every day; certainly the fact it's in the FAQ is evidence of it's novelty |
| 23:04.52 | Hallodri | in my language is obscure more than unknown |
| 23:05.25 | Hallodri | i think its a good feature i did use it well many times |
| 23:05.39 | Hallodri | awesome |
| 23:06.23 | fugitive | same here :) thanks for link |
| 23:07.23 | matlock | I have found references to burning bootable isos using cp in debian jessie documentation, so it would presumably work on devuan https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 23:07.50 | Hallodri | i dd my usb now well and try again |
| 23:08.29 | fugitive | but certainly not traditional option.. |
| 23:10.12 | Xenguy | notes that blap appears to be spamming channels with isis/alt-right material ... |
| 23:10.36 | Xenguy | .oO( Would be nice to be proven wrong about this ) |
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| 23:39.34 | bozonius2 | (switched from host to artix desktop now that latter works) |
| 23:40.53 | bozonius2 | https://pastebin.com/by4kBziR (Same errors as when I first reported this problem) |
| 23:41.18 | bozonius2 | it is 64 bit and was rebuilt in last 20 mins with latest kernel headers, etc |
| 23:41.26 | bozonius2 | pulseaudio is not installed |
| 23:41.42 | bozonius2 | the video looks OK, btw |
| 23:42.49 | bozonius2 | It is indeed eerie, watching Trump's mouth move with no words coming forth. I am wondering if I should perhaps leave it this way? |
| 23:43.17 | bozonius2 | Maybe we can encourage Kim to use Artix. |
| 23:47.01 | bozonius2 | idea: Roll back to 1.9, like Devuan. See if THAT works? |
| 23:47.16 | bozonius2 | can yaourt do that? |
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