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| 01:23.33 | Chanku | Heyy |
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| 01:38.29 | Chanku | So anyone know what the current state of ASCII is like? |
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| 02:07.48 | Xenguy | A number of people run it, but I'm not among them |
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| 02:09.01 | matlock | it's fine but breaks fairly often, if any sort of dependency conflicts bother you like me, stick with jessie and pull from backports |
| 02:10.02 | matlock | my laptop keep sleeping even when it's plugged in, i've disabled sleep in xfce screensaver settings and xfce power settings, should I check somewhere else? |
| 02:13.48 | Chanku | I don't use sleep |
| 02:13.54 | Chanku | wait sorry |
| 02:13.56 | Chanku | gaaah |
| 02:14.08 | Chanku | This is what I get for not fully reading stuff :P |
| 02:14.46 | Chanku | anyway, good to know. Unfortunately the software I wish to use isn't in backports and would require a decent amount of dependencies to be backported as well, and a few don't exist in Jessie... |
| 02:16.30 | matlock | oh this is a separate issue from jessie vs. ascii, i just messed up a setting somewhere, user error |
| 02:16.52 | fromport | is running ceres (with lxde) and so far so good ;-) |
| 02:17.04 | gnarface | matlock: there's a separate setting for on and off AC power - if it's a laptop maybe check that? the only other thing i really know about is disabling acpi entirely at boot |
| 02:17.40 | gnarface | matlock: unless you mean just the display is sleeping, then try this: xset dpms 0 0 0 |
| 02:17.58 | matlock | gnarface no, it's sleeping, I'm going to try disablng acpi |
| 02:18.48 | gnarface | it definitely *shouldn't* be happening, so there's no conclusive evidence pointing to either user error or a bug |
| 02:20.03 | matlock | I didn't want Chanku to think it was normal Devuan behavior, it's very possible it something weird I did |
| 02:20.31 | matlock | if you're bored, these are the engineers talking about the design of the new firefox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZiUCMOa7_M |
| 02:20.34 | Chanku | Oh I mean I would assume it isn't, I just read something incorrectly matlock |
| 02:23.19 | matlock | Chanku can I ask what software you are thinking of running? |
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| 02:23.31 | Chanku | I just need to get the latest version of Krita |
| 02:23.50 | Chanku | because it has some things that are very....necessary for me because otherwise lines look bad...rather bad... |
| 02:24.49 | matlock | let me check something... |
| 02:26.43 | justinsm | Chanku: Have you tried the AppImage for Krita? |
| 02:27.21 | Chanku | _doesn't have nor really use AppImages_ |
| 02:27.49 | Chanku | doesn't have nor really use AppImage |
| 02:27.50 | Chanku | sorry |
| 02:28.19 | matlock | that looks like the preferred distribution method for krita |
| 02:29.14 | matlock | there is an ubuntu ppa with the latest version of krita but it only supports zesty and artful because of a new qt dependency |
| 02:29.19 | matlock | https://launchpad.net/~kritalime/+archive/ubuntu/ppa |
| 02:29.26 | Chanku | I know krita is also in the debian repos |
| 02:29.41 | matlock | the latest version? |
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| 02:29.52 | Chanku | I don't need the latest version |
| 02:30.00 | Chanku | just a version greater than 2.8.X |
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| 02:32.15 | matlock | are you comfortable compiling from source? |
| 02:32.54 | Chanku | Yes |
| 02:33.13 | Chanku | I was going to do that...but even backporting would require me backporting several deps |
| 02:34.41 | matlock | from krita's website: "Debian Stable, Linux Mint, Elementary or Ubuntu L.T.S are often too outdated to build Krita." |
| 02:35.06 | Chanku | Yeah |
| 02:35.36 | matlock | https://repology.org/statistics/newest |
| 02:37.22 | matlock | the most up-to-date non-systemd *nix are freebsd, dragonflybsd, and then gentoo |
| 02:37.53 | matlock | or you could run it in a docker image |
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| 02:55.36 | Chanku | annd looks like Krita's appimage is 64bit only |
| 02:56.45 | Chanku | and I'm on a 32bit system |
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| 05:55.46 | blap | Tech News: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=18982 apple now decides users shouldn't be able to disable wifi/bluetooth |
| 05:56.28 | gnarface | i think the only real surprise was that it was ever otherwise |
| 05:58.30 | MinceR | indeed |
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| 08:04.48 | blap | is it right that a cell phone transmits its unique mac address when connecting or actively probing a WLAN AP? |
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| 08:06.00 | gnarface | well, it's possible to spoof it in theory, but yes, blap |
| 08:06.15 | Wonka | blap: as far as I read, you can still disable Wifi and BT completely in iOS11, you just need to use the Settings app, not that drawer thing. |
| 08:06.35 | Wonka | blap: also, many phones do Wifi probes with randomized MAC addresses |
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| 08:11.55 | blap | ty for the info |
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| 10:50.59 | Chanku|Mobile | Well...that went rather...badly... |
| 10:51.09 | Chanku|Mobile | And hey |
| 10:51.11 | Hum | I need help with apt pinning. https://users.ig42.org/~tglaser/debs/debidx.htm I added deb https://www.mirbsd.org/~tg/Debs/ jessie wtf and I just want packages from wtf, that I install, no updates for packages from devuan |
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| 11:18.51 | fsmithred_ | Chanku|Mobile, what happened? |
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| 13:42.24 | AlexLikeRock | morning GNUS |
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| 13:46.10 | telst4r | GNUd morning |
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| 13:46.39 | MinceR | reading the GNUs in the GNUde? |
| 13:46.57 | djph | MinceR: always |
| 13:48.27 | AlexLikeRock | yep |
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| 17:51.15 | bozonius | fromport: Don't see you in #omv much these days... |
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| 20:36.46 | Chanku|Mobile | fsmithred my install got rather broken. |
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| 21:06.36 | golinux | Chanku|Mobile: Sorry to hear that |
| 21:06.48 | fsmithred | Chanku|Mobile, do you feel like talking about it? |
| 21:06.56 | Chanku|Mobile | Sure |
| 21:07.00 | fsmithred | hi |
| 21:07.03 | fsmithred | what happened? |
| 21:07.57 | Chanku|Mobile | So I probably screwed up the upgrade tbh. |
| 21:08.06 | Chanku|Mobile | But WiFi doesn't work |
| 21:08.45 | Chanku|Mobile | And whenever lightdm starts the screen doesn't...well it looks messed up and seems to freeze my laptop. |
| 21:09.27 | Chanku|Mobile | Also when lightdm did work once, it didn't show i3wm as an option and threw me into a terminal |
| 21:10.44 | fsmithred | can you paste your source.list? |
| 21:12.15 | Chanku|Mobile | Not really. |
| 21:13.06 | fsmithred | can't even boot to console? |
| 21:13.35 | Chanku|Mobile | I can if I run it in rescue mode |
| 21:13.53 | Chanku|Mobile | But I lack the ability to even connect to the internet atm |
| 21:13.53 | fsmithred | no network there |
| 21:14.19 | fsmithred | ok, boot to single user and remove lightdm |
| 21:14.42 | fsmithred | then maybe you can get to a non-graphical user env. |
| 21:14.52 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay. |
| 21:15.04 | fsmithred | or even just disable it |
| 21:15.14 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay |
| 21:20.20 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay I am now in a getty |
| 21:20.38 | fsmithred | here's what should be in sources.list |
| 21:20.43 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free |
| 21:20.43 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan ascii-updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:20.43 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-proposed-updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:20.43 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main contrib non-free |
| 21:21.41 | fsmithred | update-rc.d -f lightdm remove |
| 21:21.47 | fsmithred | will disable it |
| 21:22.26 | fsmithred | in a couple minutes I have to step outside to meet someone, and then I'll be right back. |
| 21:23.15 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay. Well I got it to connect to the internet now |
| 21:24.01 | fsmithred | brb |
| 21:26.06 | Chanku|Mobile | Should I be using eudev from testing? |
| 21:26.13 | golinux | Chanku|Mobile: Well, that's some progress |
| 21:26.27 | golinux | One thing at a time grasshopper. |
| 21:26.33 | Chanku|Mobile | Yeah. |
| 21:26.45 | Chanku|Mobile | However to connect to the internet I had to downgrade udev |
| 21:27.05 | golinux | Once you're up and running then think about switching inits |
| 21:27.19 | golinux | oops no an init. |
| 21:27.36 | golinux | is distracted. |
| 21:28.20 | Chanku|Mobile | Yeah. |
| 21:28.29 | golinux | fsr will straighten things out when he gets back. I'm rather useless since I'm still plodding along on jessie. |
| 21:29.07 | Chanku|Mobile | Ah. |
| 21:31.22 | fsmithred | back |
| 21:31.30 | fsmithred | were you getting errors about udev? |
| 21:31.55 | Chanku|Mobile | No |
| 21:32.32 | Chanku|Mobile | Just, when udev was upgraded it seemed to affect my ability to connect to wifi. |
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| 21:32.44 | Chanku|Mobile | Maybe it wasn't udev though. |
| 21:32.52 | Chanku|Mobile | Could have just been an install issue. |
| 21:33.25 | fsmithred | init 2 |
| 21:33.30 | fsmithred | if you haven't already |
| 21:33.55 | fsmithred | oh |
| 21:33.58 | Chanku|Mobile | Alright. |
| 21:33.58 | fsmithred | uname -r |
| 21:34.41 | Chanku|Mobile | 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae |
| 21:34.54 | fsmithred | oh shit, this is squeeze? |
| 21:35.13 | Chanku|Mobile | No |
| 21:35.25 | fsmithred | wheezy was 3.2? |
| 21:35.38 | fsmithred | I guess that's right |
| 21:35.41 | Chanku|Mobile | I would presume |
| 21:35.51 | Chanku|Mobile | As I originally had wheezy installed |
| 21:36.01 | Chanku|Mobile | then I updated to devuan "Jessie" |
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| 21:36.06 | aitor | hi |
| 21:36.16 | fsmithred | but you never got the jessie kernel |
| 21:36.40 | Chanku|Mobile | I never really noticed I guess. |
| 21:37.16 | fsmithred | install linux-image-4.9.0-4-686-pae (I think) |
| 21:37.30 | fsmithred | I only see amd64 here, but that should be right |
| 21:37.35 | fsmithred | hi aitor |
| 21:37.51 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay. |
| 21:37.59 | aitor | hi fsmithred |
| 21:39.57 | fsmithred | a |
| 21:41.00 | aitor | i'm building the latest linux-libre-3.16 (that is 3.16.48) for live-sdk + devuan-installer |
| 21:41.36 | aitor | it's built in i386 and now i'm building it in amd64 |
| 21:43.08 | aitor | i still have to do some changes in live-sdk, for example, to install the custom kernel within the chroot jail |
| 21:43.11 | Chanku|Mobile | Also I will attempt to reupgrade udev as I need to do that it seems |
| 21:45.02 | aitor | now i'm in lxde with vdev and hexchat doesn't work, i'm using xchat instead |
| 21:45.30 | aitor | i don't now if it's related with vdev or not |
| 21:45.51 | aitor | *know |
| 21:45.55 | fsmithred | aitor, it should not be related |
| 21:46.06 | aitor | i think so |
| 21:46.11 | fsmithred | Chanku|Mobile, did you make it to runlevel 2 ok? |
| 21:46.31 | Chanku|Mobile | I already get to run level 2 |
| 21:46.36 | fsmithred | cool |
| 21:46.39 | Chanku|Mobile | After uninstalling lightsm |
| 21:46.47 | Chanku|Mobile | *lightdm and rebooting |
| 21:46.53 | fsmithred | add new kernel, new wireless firmware |
| 21:47.03 | fsmithred | and new udev if it wants it |
| 21:47.13 | Chanku|Mobile | Anyway I just updated the kernel, albeit it gave an error, along with the firmware and udev |
| 21:47.19 | fsmithred | try upgrade/dist-upgrade and see if it wants anything else |
| 21:47.50 | Chanku|Mobile | fsmithred I got an error: "your kernel headers for kernel-4.9.0-4-696-pae can not be found at /lib/modules/... |
| 21:48.27 | fsmithred | ok, you rebooted into new kernel? then apt-get install linux-headers$(uname -r) |
| 21:52.32 | blinkdog | 696-pae? |
| 21:53.00 | fsmithred | did somebody type that? |
| 21:53.54 | Chanku|Mobile | That was a typo |
| 21:54.00 | Chanku|Mobile | I am on a mobile phone |
| 21:55.02 | Chanku|Mobile | BTW you forgot a - in your command fsmithred |
| 21:55.04 | Chanku|Mobile | :P |
| 21:56.03 | fsmithred | could be. I trust you to do the right thing. |
| 21:56.05 | Chanku|Mobile | So another error |
| 21:56.12 | fsmithred | ? |
| 21:57.21 | Chanku|Mobile | "/etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms: Error! Bad return status for module build in kernel: 4.9.0-686-pae (i386) |
| 21:57.47 | Chanku|Mobile | Consult /vat/lib/virtual box/5.1.8/build/make.log for more information" |
| 21:58.31 | fsmithred | is that a fatal error? |
| 21:59.39 | Chanku|Mobile | In the log it ha some stuff saying error 2 and saying the build failed |
| 22:00.02 | fsmithred | this is on hardware, right? |
| 22:00.16 | Chanku|Mobile | Yes |
| 22:00.47 | fsmithred | is this stopping you from proceeding? |
| 22:01.23 | Chanku|Mobile | I don't know |
| 22:01.39 | Chanku|Mobile | However I don't even use virtual box anymore |
| 22:01.47 | fsmithred | try uninstalling it |
| 22:01.48 | Chanku|Mobile | So I'm just gonna remove the dkms modules. :| |
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| 22:04.18 | Chanku|Mobile | I'm going to try rebooting now |
| 22:04.38 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:06.01 | Chanku|Mobile | Also I am getting a TPM error (7) when booting :⢠|
| 22:06.04 | Chanku|Mobile | *:| |
| 22:07.05 | Chanku|Mobile | But I booted fine |
| 22:07.09 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:07.23 | fsmithred | apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
| 22:07.29 | fsmithred | or aptitude -s full-upgrade |
| 22:07.33 | fsmithred | see what it wants |
| 22:07.40 | Chanku|Mobile | Doesn't want anything |
| 22:08.20 | Chanku|Mobile | At least apt |
| 22:08.49 | fsmithred | firmware? |
| 22:08.52 | fsmithred | brb |
| 22:09.14 | Chanku|Mobile | Aptitude does want to install two packages though: libre2-3 and xxd |
| 22:11.58 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay so I removed a package hold and apt does want some packages |
| 22:12.10 | Chanku|Mobile | Updating vim and installing xxd |
| 22:15.43 | Chanku|Mobile | (Also just a heads up chromium wants to uninstall several things...including curl and unrelated things....) |
| 22:18.20 | g4570n | that should be because they are packages that were installed automatically |
| 22:18.32 | Chanku|Mobile | It wants to remove vim |
| 22:18.42 | Chanku|Mobile | To update chromium |
| 22:19.16 | g4570n | Umm rare |
| 22:24.11 | g4570n | I think with apt install vim curl .... you can mark the packages as manually installed and this would prevent them from being deleted |
| 22:24.41 | Chanku|Mobile | Vim is manually installed |
| 22:25.08 | Chanku|Mobile | I am also on ASCII |
| 22:26.23 | fsmithred | did you try startx yet? |
| 22:26.48 | fsmithred | probably won't work without a dm |
| 22:27.01 | Chanku|Mobile | Yeah |
| 22:27.18 | Chanku|Mobile | Startx just dumps me into a terminal it seems |
| 22:27.19 | fsmithred | slim in ascii won't install |
| 22:27.28 | fsmithred | what do you mean? |
| 22:27.44 | fsmithred | you see xorg errors? |
| 22:27.57 | Chanku|Mobile | One moment please |
| 22:30.55 | Chanku|Mobile | Whenever I run startx a period of time passes and then seems to dump me into an lxterminal |
| 22:32.04 | Chanku|Mobile | Although I now have a black screen |
| 22:34.17 | fsmithred | add a display manager |
| 22:34.23 | fsmithred | maybe try lightdm again |
| 22:34.27 | fsmithred | what graphics you got? |
| 22:34.36 | fsmithred | or else xdm. I know it works. |
| 22:36.21 | Chanku|Mobile | Some Intel integrated stuff |
| 22:37.25 | Chanku|Mobile | Also looks like i3wm got uninstalled |
| 22:37.49 | fsmithred | yeah, a wm would help |
| 22:38.48 | Chanku|Mobile | Yeah |
| 22:39.08 | Chanku|Mobile | I would imagine a wm is rather important |
| 22:40.38 | fsmithred | if you want more than a terminal |
| 22:40.44 | Chanku|Mobile | Yeah |
| 22:40.55 | fsmithred | to see what is installed from stable/testing/unstable run... |
| 22:40.57 | fsmithred | aptitude search ~i -F"%p# %v# %t#" |
| 22:41.37 | fsmithred | I have to run out to the store. Back in about 15 min. |
| 22:41.54 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay. |
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| 22:49.47 | Chanku|Mobile | Well looks like things are working for the time being. |
| 22:56.16 | golinux | \o/ |
| 22:59.36 | fsmithred | back |
| 22:59.38 | Chanku|Mobile | Yeah. |
| 22:59.47 | Chanku|Mobile | More things are probably broken |
| 22:59.54 | Chanku|Mobile | Buuut it works. |
| 23:00.00 | fsmithred | cool |
| 23:00.12 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |
| 23:00.25 | fsmithred | will list everything installed and will tell you if it's broken |
| 23:01.22 | Chanku|Mobile | How can I tell if it is broken? |
| 23:01.38 | fsmithred | B |
| 23:01.53 | fsmithred | in the first column |
| 23:02.04 | Chanku|Mobile | Thanks |
| 23:02.49 | Chanku|Mobile | should I manually update any packages that are still at their Jessie version? |
| 23:04.10 | fsmithred | not necessarily |
| 23:04.21 | fsmithred | some are there because the ascii versions aren't ready |
| 23:04.52 | fsmithred | you might still have old rsyslog, libpng12 instead of 16 (or maybe not since you don't have slim) |
| 23:05.16 | fsmithred | you can try. apt won't let you if deps are missing. |
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| 23:06.21 | Chanku|Mobile | I actually do have libpng16 |
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| 23:09.33 | fsmithred | well, I guess you're there. Use it. See what doesn't work. Maybe post at the forum if you run into problems. |
| 23:10.13 | fCha | Why don't people like systemd? |
| 23:10.16 | fsmithred | I had a stressful day. Time for hot shower. |
| 23:10.26 | fsmithred | google it |
| 23:10.36 | matlock | for several reasons |
| 23:11.04 | fsmithred | seriously, this is the wrong channel for that question. |
| 23:11.10 | fsmithred | try #debianfork |
| 23:11.27 | fsmithred | but also find stuff that's been written with some thought. It's out there. |
| 23:12.08 | matlock | bloat and feature creep, security, how it was implemented in the big distros, the main developer's development style and personality, philosophical concerns about how a unix-like OS should work |
| 23:12.36 | fsmithred | reader's digest version ^^^ |
| 23:13.39 | fsmithred | bbl |
| 23:19.13 | fCha | I would prefer that it did the thing that the old init did, but better. I am also not in favour of the idea of having it be many things. |
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| 23:32.41 | Chanku|Mobile | Alright so I found out something. Seems like touchscreen calibration is a bit off :| |
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| 23:56.16 | chanku | So it seems like I lost several packages (like xchat and git), however it's not that bad |