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| 00:02.39 | Xenguy | "20:01 -!- Home page for #devuan: http://devuan.org" |
| 00:02.59 | Xenguy | ^^ Any chance we could modify that to https ? |
| 00:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | where is that? |
| 00:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I don't see the issue, it will forward anyway, no? |
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| 00:08.40 | *** mode/#devuan [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 00:08.49 | *** mode/#devuan [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 00:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, [2017-09-21 Thu 02:08:43] [Notice] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this command. |
| 00:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | missing some flags on ACL |
| 00:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: ^^^ |
| 00:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: might want to add +s to my access list |
| 00:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe +sf |
| 00:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Notice] -ChanServ- /msg ChanServ FLAGS #foo foo +sf |
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| 00:44.49 | Xenguy | DocScrutinizer05: back... |
| 00:45.01 | Xenguy | You're right it does re-direct to https |
| 00:45.21 | Xenguy | Still, might be nice to make it explicit? |
| 00:45.26 | Xenguy | Thanks for your replies |
| 00:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I can't change it right now. Need a change in chan ACL to do so |
| 00:46.55 | Xenguy | np, just thought it worth mentioning |
| 00:47.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks :-) |
| 00:47.08 | Xenguy | my pleasure |
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| 01:17.35 | bozonius | I think the Jessie version of openoffice is kinda... like... sorta... buggy? |
| 01:18.04 | bozonius | I note some troubling behavior and might like to upgrade just libreoffice |
| 01:18.16 | bozonius | (I didn't mean openoffice, sorry) |
| 01:18.42 | bozonius | is that possible short of upgrading the whole system (libraries, etc) |
| 01:19.07 | debdog | yes |
| 01:19.18 | bozonius | thanks, how can I do that? |
| 01:19.49 | debdog | https://www.libreoffice.org/donate/dl/deb-x86_64/5.4.1/de/LibreOffice_5.4.1_Linux_x86-64_deb.tar.gz |
| 01:20.03 | debdog | assuming you're on 64bit |
| 01:20.13 | bozonius | uh... think so. |
| 01:20.19 | debdog | uname -a |
| 01:20.28 | bozonius | yes, I am |
| 01:20.34 | bozonius | thanks |
| 01:21.24 | debdog | WAIT |
| 01:21.40 | debdog | there's a /de/ in that link |
| 01:21.52 | debdog | http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/ |
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| 01:22.24 | debdog | bozonius: ^ |
| 01:23.27 | bozonius | that would have given me a chance to practice my German that I've been learning on Duolingo, but I guess I'm really too busy for that atm |
| 01:23.29 | bozonius | LOL |
| 01:23.35 | bozonius | appreciate the warning! |
| 01:24.28 | bozonius | (it could have been quite interesting, though...) |
| 01:25.23 | debdog | how to install: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux#Debian_.2F_Ubuntu_.2F_Mint |
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| 01:27.33 | debdog | IIRC it installs into /opt |
| 01:28.14 | debdog | depending on your DE/WM you might have to edit your menu entries or .desktop files |
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| 01:32.48 | bozonius | looks like I need to remove the distro version? It won't install because of some dependency issue |
| 01:33.36 | debdog | hmm, can't check right now, not on my work PC |
| 01:33.59 | debdog | exact output? |
| 01:34.06 | bozonius | This package is uninstallable Dependency is not satisfiable: libobasis5.4-core (>= 5.4.1.2) |
| 01:35.55 | bozonius | I had tried to use gdebi (why?) Should I try using the regular dpkg ? |
| 01:36.41 | debdog | IIRC it worked for me with dpkg a couple of weeks ago |
| 01:36.53 | bozonius | ok, will do it that way then. |
| 01:37.44 | bozonius | debdog: did you remove the distro version first? |
| 01:37.56 | debdog | not sure |
| 01:38.16 | bozonius | I'm guessing it would be a good idea to remove it, though. |
| 01:38.51 | debdog | but that's prolly one reason it installs into /opt. to not interf...., with the dist one |
| 01:39.06 | debdog | *interfere |
| 01:39.31 | debdog | fetching the package right now |
| 01:40.10 | bozonius | uh, out of disk space... in the middle of install |
| 01:40.30 | bozonius | (working on space issue now, but please advise on whether and how to back out, etc) |
| 01:41.12 | debdog | aptitute autoclean |
| 01:41.18 | debdog | or apt-get |
| 01:41.38 | debdog | or apt-get autoclean |
| 01:41.53 | debdog | frees some disk space |
| 01:43.04 | bozonius | the /opt problem is resolved, but I am concerned about the install |
| 01:43.18 | bozonius | do I need to back out the partial broken install? |
| 01:43.33 | bozonius | I mean, reverse it? |
| 01:43.43 | bozonius | then start over again, or just continue |
| 01:44.12 | debdog | hmm, if in doubt do rm -Rf /opt/libreoffice5.4/ |
| 01:44.19 | debdog | install worked fine here |
| 01:44.35 | bozonius | yes, it was proceeding w/o problems other than disk space on /opt |
| 01:44.54 | debdog | k |
| 01:45.06 | bozonius | but if I remove the files, will the package database need some kind of reset or update? |
| 01:45.33 | bozonius | (I have done that with rpm, but not with deb) |
| 01:46.07 | debdog | I don't think so, if you run the dpkg -i command again |
| 01:46.14 | bozonius | ok... |
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| 01:51.17 | Xenguy | ncdu is great for disk space sleuthing |
| 01:53.05 | debdog | uh, nice tool |
| 01:53.26 | Xenguy | I love the ncurses stuff |
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| 01:54.54 | debdog | had to look up sleuthing, though :P |
| 01:55.05 | Xenguy | hah |
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| 01:55.51 | Xenguy | One more word in the vocab, right |
| 01:55.54 | Xenguy | ? |
| 01:56.20 | debdog | hehe, right |
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| 01:57.46 | bozonius | dpkg told me that it was /opt out of space |
| 01:57.55 | bozonius | so no real sleuthing needed this time... |
| 01:58.03 | bozonius | but I will keep ncdu in mind, thanks |
| 01:58.12 | Xenguy | np |
| 01:58.33 | bozonius | how can I remove all packages xyz-* ? |
| 01:58.39 | bozonius | from command line |
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| 01:59.36 | debdog | good question |
| 01:59.40 | gnarface | i dunno if it supports wildcards for removal |
| 01:59.56 | gnarface | but if you remove the ones the others all depend on, you can just call autoremove as a second step |
| 02:00.17 | bozonius | wildcards gives an error |
| 02:00.34 | bozonius | thanks gnarface |
| 02:00.43 | bozonius | (good idea) |
| 02:00.44 | gnarface | also you can just specify multiple packages on one command-line |
| 02:01.04 | bozonius | yeah, there's tons. I could filter it and pass the output in, but... |
| 02:01.32 | bozonius | I was hoping for a slightly more elegant way like 'dpkg -r 'xyz-*' ' |
| 02:02.45 | gnarface | there's probably some way, but there's probably also a good reason why all of us have managed to get by without it |
| 02:04.42 | debdog | for tasks like this I just use aptitude's ncurses interface |
| 02:09.13 | gnarface | does it the hard way |
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| 02:09.39 | debdog | hehe, no pain, no gain |
| 02:09.54 | debdog | anywho, need to catch some sleep, nn |
| 02:11.10 | bozonius | thanks again debdog. It's looking good. Menus updated correctly, so no issues there. Just have to recreate some desktop icons which is just drag and drop on xfce |
| 02:11.17 | bozonius | dinner time... |
| 02:12.00 | bozonius | thanks gnarface and Xenguy (to whom I might say "mir geht's gut" |
| 02:12.06 | bozonius | ) |
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| 03:04.44 | Xenguy | no hablos telephonos = ) |
| 03:06.18 | webprojectx | que? |
| 03:08.16 | Xenguy | hehe, just kidding around |
| 03:14.30 | webprojectx | that's chill |
| 03:14.44 | webprojectx | what's new with devuan translation project? |
| 03:14.50 | webprojectx | all joking aside? |
| 03:15.10 | webprojectx | There is already an inordinate amount of racism, suttle and otherwise overt in the field of IT... |
| 03:15.11 | golinux | Not a thing is happening with translation |
| 03:15.16 | webprojectx | cool beans |
| 03:15.20 | webprojectx | oh I c |
| 03:15.44 | webprojectx | I see Refracta respin has an Italian boot up option. pretty UI/ UX friendly for italians. lol |
| 03:15.53 | webprojectx | good to see some respins out there. |
| 03:16.36 | golinux | I thought you were talking about the website |
| 03:21.39 | webprojectx | Web site is good. too bad the discourse app was frozen. what was the backstory on that? |
| 03:21.41 | webprojectx | spam as usual? |
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| 04:07.14 | bozonius | I do not speak telephones? |
| 04:09.39 | bozonius | oh. Or it could be portuguese, which I don't know at all |
| 04:10.45 | furrywolf | I believe it was a joke, something you apparently also do not know. :) |
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| 04:23.08 | webprojectx | : ) jokes are harmless |
| 04:23.10 | webprojectx | lolz |
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| 04:31.56 | golinux | Jokes are often stupid and harmful. |
| 04:32.17 | golinux | But that discussion has no place on this channel |
| 04:33.17 | furrywolf | curls up on golinux's feet for bedtime |
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| 05:41.08 | verblendet | DocScrutinizer05, wooohooo alte socke :) ich glaub ich les nich richtig :)) |
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| 07:55.49 | bozonius | is there a way to get scribus 1.4.6 on devuan 1.0? It seems to be available in the next version (stretch?) so I am wondering if it would work on jessie |
| 07:56.04 | bozonius | 1.4.4 is rather buggy |
| 07:56.26 | bozonius | I mean it does work, but I've had it crash on me, and some of the features don't appear to work right |
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| 10:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | verhehe hi! |
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| 10:37.00 | blap | made a new irc pic :) https://abload.de/img/kimjongundchat3luls.png |
| 10:41.52 | Guest2923 | blap, :) |
| 10:42.07 | MinceR | so much love for authoritarianism nowadays |
| 10:42.46 | blap | oh i left off any text so people can bring their own associations |
| 10:45.07 | blap | unicode doesn't make it easy, 16 colors, only 2 colors in a 2x2 block at a time |
| 10:45.10 | blap | so if you want to shift a feature left one pixel, soryry you can't do that |
| 10:45.24 | blap | unless you redraw it to match the new possible color combinations |
| 10:45.40 | blap | which you can rarely do perfectly |
| 10:45.48 | blap | so it's like a puzzle |
| 10:46.52 | MinceR | why not just be lazy and use libcaca? |
| 10:47.04 | Guest2923 | "who never been in the army, does not laugh in the circus" - folk wisdom |
| 10:48.39 | blap | because libcaca can't do it, afaik |
| 10:49.19 | blap | also you can't just shrink an image to 77x25 pixels and get a good result in 16 colors |
| 10:50.06 | blap | the automatic dithering doesn't do the trick. destroys too much information at that scale |
| 10:50.08 | OmegaPhil | That is awesome art |
| 10:51.52 | MinceR | ic |
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| 12:37.31 | ic | MinceR: what? |
| 12:39.26 | MinceR | :) |
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| 13:44.33 | golinux | blap: Please keep political stuff off of this channel. You can put that over on #debianfork. Thanks. |
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| 14:46.03 | buZz | MinceR: yeah, libcaca doesnt do wtf-8 output, afaik |
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| 17:44.15 | sdll | Team, could you please tell me what setup you would recommend for Haskell development on Devuan? It seems that haskell-stack is only available since ceres. Should I upgrade? |
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| 18:59.52 | fsmithred | sdll, I don't know anything about Haskell, but I can tell you that ceres is not really ready. You might try an ascii/ceres mix, but even that will be a problem soon, since ascii is tracking stretch, which is now stable. |
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| 19:07.20 | aggrora | Hi. If I were to install a manually downloaded .deb-package with "dpkg -i xx.deb". Is it up to me to find out if it may have dependecies on systemd, or would amprolla magically help me out? I'm using devuan jessie. |
| 19:09.43 | aggrora | Hi! |
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| 19:10.14 | si\ver_ | Didn't even give me enough time to read a single stackoverflow answer for ya...... |
| 19:10.32 | si\ver_ | try dpkg -I for information about the package. |
| 19:10.41 | aggrora | Hi, sorry I could not see if my message was sent. |
| 19:11.34 | aggrora | Ok, will do that. |
| 19:13.20 | fsmithred | aggrora, from where are you downloading the package? |
| 19:13.41 | fsmithred | if you pull it from debian repo, you should check the deps (and versions) first |
| 19:14.20 | fsmithred | if you have devuan installed with devuan in sources.list, then apt-get download or aptitude download won't give you anything that's blocked/forbidden |
| 19:14.49 | aggrora | http://midori-browser.org/download/debian/ |
| 19:15.14 | fsmithred | you're running jessie? |
| 19:15.25 | aggrora | Apperntly it was not included in debian jessie and I would like to try it out |
| 19:15.27 | aggrora | yes |
| 19:15.54 | fsmithred | 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1 0 |
| 19:15.54 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.07 | fsmithred | is there a line for backports in sources.list or sources.list.d/devuan.list? |
| 19:17.22 | fsmithred | mine have been edited so many times I don't remember what the default it |
| 19:17.35 | fsmithred | if it's there, uncomment it, if not, add... |
| 19:17.36 | fsmithred | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main |
| 19:17.43 | aggrora | ooh I see. I go check. |
| 19:17.52 | fsmithred | then apt-get update && apt-get -t jessie-backports install midori |
| 19:18.09 | fsmithred | then just to be safe, comment it out again |
| 19:19.12 | fsmithred | shouldn't really need to do that, but I'm paranoid. Of course, you need to uncomment it again to check for any updates to midori. |
| 19:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or yiu write a script to do that annoying conneting job for you ;-) |
| 19:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | commenting* |
| 19:21.26 | blinkdog | https://xkcd.com/1205/ |
| 19:21.34 | fsmithred | actually, that's a really good suggestion for me, doc. I got about a dozen lines that I have to comment out before I install anything. |
| 19:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | similar http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs |
| 19:24.50 | fsmithred | I think mine needs to be a lot simpler than that |
| 19:26.15 | aggrora | Do I need to ad deb-src entry aswell, as it exists for the others? I got: W: Failed to fetch http...binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found. |
| 19:26.17 | fsmithred | mv sources.list sources.list.bak |
| 19:26.29 | fsmithred | mv sources.list.daredevil sources.list |
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| 19:27.26 | fsmithred | aggrora, no, that's only if you want to get the source code to make your own packages |
| 19:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: yet simpler??? :-O I thought that wasn't possible ;-P |
| 19:27.45 | fsmithred | lol |
| 19:27.45 | aggrora | alright |
| 19:28.17 | fsmithred | aggrora, what's not being found? |
| 19:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | aggrora: W are warnings, safe to ignore them |
| 19:30.06 | aggrora | The package, but it was just a typo, I used "jessie-backports/main main" in sources.list |
| 19:30.17 | fsmithred | ah, ok |
| 19:30.18 | aggrora | now it's installing |
| 19:30.21 | fsmithred | cool |
| 19:30.27 | aggrora | thanks :) |
| 19:30.30 | fsmithred | let me know if the faces on youtube are blue |
| 19:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 19:31.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that _srill_ an issue in anything video? |
| 19:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'd think they eventually should get it right |
| 19:32.04 | fsmithred | I'm trying it now |
| 19:32.11 | fsmithred | oh, error. try again later. |
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| 19:33.09 | aggrora | But my question still kind of remains.. If I were to install a package that do not exists in a repository, some legacy or whatever. Would i miss out on devuans systemd protection since it is not from packages.devuan.org? |
| 19:33.48 | fsmithred | it won't install correctly |
| 19:34.08 | fsmithred | and you will get an error message saying that there's a dependency problem |
| 19:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the package might have dependedvies to systemd but there's no way you get systemd by accident unless you got repos that hold it. Tather your package will blow chunks on dpkg -i |
| 19:34.33 | fsmithred | normally, 'apt-get -f install' will correct it, but not if the correction requires systemd. |
| 19:36.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway downloading a *.dpkg and installing it with dpkg -i is absolutely safe |
| 19:36.47 | aggrora | alright I see |
| 19:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you however have debian deb lines in sources-list you're on a sure path to doom |
| 19:38.05 | aggrora | i guess ye? |
| 19:38.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* apt.get still will warn you like "this will install crap shit systemd doom and 42 others YES/NO?" |
| 19:39.16 | aggrora | then I feel safe! |
| 19:39.38 | fsmithred | yeah, read the package list that it's going to install and maybe use -s/--simulate first |
| 19:41.42 | fsmithred | I can't get any video to play in midori now. Tried youtube and vimeo. |
| 19:42.45 | aggrora | Same here, though I wont really use it for that |
| 19:44.07 | fsmithred | I've been browser-hopping lately, and I haven't found one I like |
| 19:44.43 | fsmithred | came across and old firefox-3.x archive that I was tempted to try. |
| 19:44.51 | fsmithred | *an |
| 19:44.54 | Lydia_K | firefox-0.9.5 <- the best release. |
| 19:44.59 | aggrora | midori does not feel as quick as people describe it to be, my firefox is way faster |
| 19:45.12 | fsmithred | firefox is fast??? |
| 19:45.22 | fsmithred | mine takes damn near half a minute just to start |
| 19:45.33 | aggrora | well, faster than midori here :) |
| 19:45.35 | fsmithred | and that's just in the past couple of months |
| 19:47.48 | aggrora | In 5-10 seconds here. 2 extensions, ad-block and https-everywhere, around 15 tabs. Only loading selected tab though |
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| 20:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: I *think' FF does a lot of preload shite to be faster later on when you use it |
| 20:01.20 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 20:01.29 | fsmithred | waterfox opens a little faster |
| 20:01.53 | fsmithred | has the same extensions as ff, because it imported them all. |
| 20:03.14 | fsmithred | I used to turn off graphics in ncsa-mosaic to surf faster, but I don't think you can do that with ff. |
| 20:06.00 | fsmithred | gotta go. bbiab. |
| 20:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | on unrelated OT sidenote: routers are not exactly easy but I finally nailed my TLS-handshake_dies issue by >>set firewall options mss-clamp mss 1452; set firewall options mss-clamp interface-type all<< |
| 20:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 20:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | now *real* 400/25 *with* port forearding *and* https/TLS |
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| 20:27.42 | debdog | fsmithred: registered to DNG two days ago, regreting it already |
| 20:28.59 | debdog | lot of weired IT freaks talking there, uhm, mayhap I shouldn't say that in here :D |
| 20:32.48 | blinkdog | DNG can be noisy, but there are some gems in there too |
| 20:33.18 | debdog | hehe, just kiddin (sort of, just need to raise my ignore shields) |
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| 20:36.03 | fsmithred | lol, I don't read most of what's on dng anymore |
| 20:36.13 | debdog | haha |
| 20:36.43 | debdog | mayhap they're so deep, I just have to think trice to get it :P |
| 20:36.55 | fsmithred | yeah, what blinkdog said. |
| 20:37.24 | fsmithred | you can search the archives from the web interface. That helps. |
| 20:38.09 | debdog | anyhow, I am lurking and waiting for the refracta stuff. though going on vacation next week, so it might take a while till I respond |
| 20:39.03 | debdog | ..regarding the german tranlation stuff |
| 20:39.08 | debdog | *translation |
| 20:39.24 | fsmithred | that's ok. I'm going away next week, too. |
| 20:39.31 | debdog | \o/ |
| 20:39.40 | fsmithred | I'll put it up before then |
| 20:40.07 | fsmithred | probably in the next two or three days |
| 20:40.16 | debdog | rgr that |
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