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| 06:00.43 | malinas_ | hi everyone, I was looking at the list of Devuan mirrors when I noticed devuan.unetresgrossebite.com |
| 06:01.14 | malinas_ | I'm not sure that's the kind of domain name you'd want associated to the project |
| 06:01.56 | malinas_ | it's French for "a very big dick" |
| 06:02.17 | verblendet | :O |
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| 11:00.08 | blap | funny i never learned that word in french class |
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| 15:19.12 | negev | hi, getting this on devuan https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a10afe07f342a41abe62a156aff1f042 |
| 15:19.15 | negev | anyone know why? |
| 15:19.17 | negev | (ascii) |
| 15:21.00 | parazyd | because apparmor sucks |
| 15:21.13 | MinceR | :> |
| 15:21.18 | negev | its much easier than selinux |
| 15:22.16 | MinceR | not using MAC is even easier :> |
| 15:22.49 | negev | its your last line of defence against 0days |
| 15:23.13 | MinceR | or another opportunity for them to exploit your systems |
| 15:23.22 | MinceR | it's a two-edged sword |
| 15:27.27 | blinkdog | we're saving the closing right parens for ceres? :-) |
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| 15:49.43 | MinceR | no, canonical provides the closing parens as part of a support contract |
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| 15:53.03 | blinkdog | I hear they only resell Red Hat's closing parens now though |
| 15:54.12 | MinceR | :> |
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| 17:09.11 | msiism | (j #d1g |
| 17:09.15 | msiism | sry |
| 17:13.12 | sh4rm4^bnc | <malinas_> [06:03:56] hi everyone, I was looking at the list of Devuan mirrors when I noticed devuan.unetresgrossebite.com |
| 17:13.19 | sh4rm4^bnc | omg, i'm offended !!!!1111 |
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| 17:33.11 | blap | i'm torn between knowing it's a bad domain name for an OS, and loving it for triggering the right people |
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| 17:33.40 | blap | hallo verblendet |
| 17:33.53 | verblendet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.02 | blap | u speak deutsch? |
| 17:34.08 | verblendet | yes |
| 17:34.20 | blap | i maded a piccy for you then https://abload.de/img/politik-gezahltbmu37.png |
| 17:35.02 | verblendet | OK |
| 17:35.30 | verblendet | but i guess YOU DID NOT make it, just uploaded.... |
| 17:36.42 | fsmithred | don't need to speak german to appreciate that one |
| 17:37.07 | verblendet | das kommt ausserdem noch dazu, jo |
| 17:38.04 | blap | i did actually have to redraw it |
| 17:38.26 | blap | the original was such low quality |
| 17:39.47 | golinux | This is the world surrounding us |
| 17:40.13 | verblendet | blap, das ist deins? wenn ja, schoen gemacht ;-) |
| 17:41.41 | blap | well it's not my idea |
| 17:42.20 | verblendet | anyway, i dont pay GEZ :D :P |
| 17:42.37 | blap | nice |
| 17:43.08 | blap | i hear some have gone to jail for not paying |
| 17:43.15 | verblendet | lol |
| 17:43.38 | golinux | very OT for this channel. Try #debianfork |
| 17:43.48 | verblendet | yes, OT |
| 17:43.58 | golinux | verboten here |
| 17:44.05 | verblendet | is devuan also pulseaudio free? |
| 17:44.10 | golinux | no |
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| 17:44.13 | verblendet | mpf |
| 17:44.14 | fsmithred | some of us are |
| 17:44.37 | verblendet | i want my alsa and jack back.... and get rid of this 'poettering' stuff |
| 17:44.39 | fsmithred | easy enough to remove it |
| 17:44.47 | verblendet | sounds good |
| 17:44.51 | fsmithred | or don't install it in the first place |
| 17:45.34 | verblendet | yes,. .... thats sometrhing i have to complain about in modern distros, i'm not asked what to install |
| 17:45.56 | fsmithred | debian installer is not like redhat or suse installers |
| 17:46.02 | verblendet | so on modern linux i always have to start with a minimum system and then roll the dice if it contains totally unnecessary stuff |
| 17:46.09 | fsmithred | you can't select individual packages during installation |
| 17:46.27 | blinkdog | to be fair, if you were asked about all 20,000 packages, and you could answer 1/sec, you'd still be answering questions after 5 hours |
| 17:46.49 | fsmithred | if you don't want everything that comes with the default desktop install, just install a base system and then add stuff when you reboot into it |
| 17:46.58 | verblendet | blinkdog, yes, like in good old times where i sit 4 hours in front of menuconfig |
| 17:47.10 | verblendet | even on expert install i'm not asked |
| 17:48.11 | verblendet | whats the exact difference of devuan and debian? just the systemd free thingy? |
| 17:48.22 | fsmithred | when you get to the tasksel window that asks what software you want, uncheck everything except standard system utils |
| 17:48.31 | verblendet | (what i think is hard enough to get rid of) |
| 17:48.35 | fsmithred | in devuan, you can't install systemd |
| 17:48.40 | verblendet | :D |
| 17:49.11 | verblendet | i will try it. i currently use deb8 and it feels like i have no control over my system at boot time |
| 17:49.11 | fsmithred | and in debian, you can't uninstall it |
| 17:49.16 | verblendet | oh |
| 17:49.17 | fsmithred | so the universe is balanced |
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| 17:49.43 | verblendet | ok, thats what i was thinking of, uninstall, but if its not possible at all i will switch over with my next upgrade |
| 17:50.05 | fsmithred | better off with a fresh install |
| 17:50.14 | verblendet | yepp |
| 17:50.21 | fsmithred | debian jessie to devuan jessie is supported and works... |
| 17:50.22 | fsmithred | mostly |
| 17:50.46 | verblendet | with upgfrade i mean a new setup, fresh ssd, fresh system, systemd free and no pulseaudio etc |
| 17:51.07 | fsmithred | debian stretch to devuan ascii worked for me once (minimal install) but the one with gnome died in the conversion. |
| 17:51.22 | verblendet | i dont bother spending a few hours or more to have full control again |
| 17:51.22 | fsmithred | yeah, that'll work nicely |
| 17:51.58 | fsmithred | you'll feel like you're finally back to debian after two years of wandering in the desert |
| 17:52.11 | verblendet | i had an old tp42 which runs an old debian .... and it feels much faster and nicer like a modern laptop with modern system, i cant explain why |
| 17:52.16 | fsmithred | or maybe jungle is more appropriate |
| 17:52.33 | verblendet | (this has also to do with kde 'upgrades', umpf) |
| 17:52.44 | fsmithred | oh, kde? |
| 17:52.52 | fsmithred | I think it works. |
| 17:53.13 | fsmithred | I don't think it's a choice in the installer |
| 17:53.26 | fsmithred | xfce, mate, lxde |
| 17:53.36 | fsmithred | not sure if kde is there |
| 17:53.38 | verblendet | kde in deb7 was so cool, in deb8 they had those unnecessary things i never used, in deb9 it just looks ugly |
| 17:54.41 | verblendet | but ok, i give it a shot :) thx |
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| 18:00.50 | msiism | verblendet: you could also try TDE (KDE 3 keep-around project). there is a devuan-based ditro offering it. |
| 18:01.16 | verblendet | oh... OH! |
| 18:01.24 | verblendet | that sound very promising |
| 18:02.37 | fsmithred | exegnulinux |
| 18:02.47 | msiism | http://exegnulinux.net/ |
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| 18:10.53 | verblendet | :D |
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| 18:16.12 | jonadab | That does sound interesting. |
| 18:16.43 | jonadab | It's good to see another distro, however niche, based on Devuan. I hope that is a trend that will continue and expand. |
| 18:18.26 | jonadab | "a computer desktop environment for Unix-like operating systems with a primary goal of retaining the function and form of traditional desktop computers" <-- This sounds _really_ good right about now, with all the major DEs trying to turn Desktop computers into tablets or worse. |
| 18:19.34 | si\ver_ | kde did it first. :p |
| 18:19.37 | fsmithred | exegnu is good stuff. |
| 18:20.55 | fsmithred | the guy who put it together did a lot to help with refracta (the release) and refracta tools. |
| 18:21.50 | fsmithred | he does good work |
| 18:23.04 | msiism | jonadab: just in case you dinÃt already know: https://devuan.org/#distributions-based-on-devuan |
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| 18:25.08 | jonadab | msiism: Oh, interesting. I did not know. |
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| 19:05.48 | blap | looks like there's work on a devuan based phone-os too |
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| 21:08.03 | tadau | how can i boot devuan from usb? cp'ing doesn't seem to work |
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| 21:12.22 | greenjeans | hi Devuan'ers |
| 21:12.53 | unixman | Sober, unfortunately. :) |
| 21:13.54 | aitor | hi |
| 21:15.05 | fsmithred | tadau, use dd or cat |
| 21:15.07 | jonadab | tadau: probably have to dd a bootable image to the block device? I've never actually make a bootable USB device, personally, though. |
| 21:15.38 | fsmithred | dd if=whatever.iso of=/dev/the-right-device (no partition number) |
| 21:16.01 | fsmithred | oh, add to the end of tha command: bs=1M |
| 21:16.18 | fsmithred | and don't nuke your hard drive |
| 21:16.51 | fsmithred | hi greenjeans |
| 21:17.03 | aitor | i'm still working on the devuan-installer for live-sdk |
| 21:17.07 | aitor | there are things to improve, but seems to be heading in the right way |
| 21:17.18 | fsmithred | great. i haven't had a chance to test yet. |
| 21:18.04 | aitor | i'm doing a new test; perhaps i'll push it to gitlab tonaight |
| 21:18.27 | aitor | tonight* |
| 21:18.56 | greenjeans | Unixman: say it ain't so? I mean it's after noon your time right? ;D |
| 21:19.21 | unixman | :D |
| 21:20.12 | fsmithred | greenjeans, you had some ideas for refracta2usb? |
| 21:21.16 | greenjeans | oh I did, still haven't thought it out well, need to play with it more |
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| 21:21.44 | fsmithred | ok. you can email me if you want |
| 21:21.48 | greenjeans | you might not like what I want |
| 21:21.56 | fsmithred | oh, you can ask for anything |
| 21:22.04 | fsmithred | I won't feel bad about telling you no |
| 21:22.12 | greenjeans | cause i'm gonna be asking you to dumb it down a fair bit, lol |
| 21:22.24 | fsmithred | oh, that's not a problem |
| 21:22.31 | fsmithred | messing with the code is a little scary |
| 21:23.28 | fsmithred | the way it makes the menu entries is ugly and byzantine, and any time I touch it, it takes a long time to get it right. |
| 21:23.53 | tadau | fsmithred, jonadab i tried 'dd if=devuan..iso of=/dev/sdX' but ended up with no valid partition table, according to fdisk -l /dev/sdX |
| 21:24.06 | greenjeans | my case for a simpler gui interface with almost no options: Most of the people i build for are not computer savvy, most people in general aren't either, a super simple GUI with only one basic install option and user MUST have preformatted the stick |
| 21:24.20 | fsmithred | partition table? |
| 21:24.32 | greenjeans | msdos |
| 21:24.33 | fsmithred | isohybrid is something else. |
| 21:24.53 | fsmithred | it doesn't act like a normal partition. Gparted pukes on it. |
| 21:24.54 | tadau | Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 21:25.03 | fsmithred | does it boot? |
| 21:25.21 | tadau | fsmithred: haven't tried that yet |
| 21:25.30 | fsmithred | checking a usb now |
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| 21:26.07 | fsmithred | ok, fdisk works on a dd'd usb here |
| 21:26.14 | tadau | so you think it's ok that it has no part table? |
| 21:26.18 | fsmithred | no |
| 21:26.23 | greenjeans | oh man, just remembered I bought a brand new stick just to play with Refracta2usb, back in a few... |
| 21:26.29 | fsmithred | mine has msdos table |
| 21:26.33 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:26.53 | tadau | yeah, thought it should have one |
| 21:26.59 | fsmithred | tadau, did you check the sha256sum on the iso? |
| 21:27.04 | fsmithred | maybe a bad download |
| 21:27.07 | tadau | does it matter that i'm using devuan-live.iso? |
| 21:27.13 | fsmithred | no |
| 21:27.22 | fsmithred | desktop-live or minimal? |
| 21:27.43 | fsmithred | (either one should work) |
| 21:28.01 | tadau | desktop-live |
| 21:28.12 | tadau | amd64 |
| 21:28.16 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:28.31 | fsmithred | I know those work as isohybrid. I tested them before I uploaded them. |
| 21:28.56 | tadau | c29f5...efecc <- md5 |
| 21:29.06 | fsmithred | ok, hang on |
| 21:29.58 | fsmithred | no, I'm not getting that |
| 21:30.22 | fsmithred | devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso |
| 21:30.26 | fsmithred | that one, right? |
| 21:30.57 | tadau | yeap |
| 21:31.40 | fsmithred | you used a browser to download it? |
| 21:32.09 | tadau | yes |
| 21:32.25 | fsmithred | try wget |
| 21:32.28 | fsmithred | wget https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/desktop-live/devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso |
| 21:32.43 | fsmithred | I'm gonna log in and make sure it didn't change |
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| 21:34.28 | fsmithred | as soon as I find my password |
| 21:36.04 | fsmithred | isaaoicwinjutwiug |
| 21:36.15 | MinceR | hunter2 |
| 21:41.24 | tadau | fsmithred: wut? have you just pasted your pw to irc? |
| 21:41.45 | fsmithred | no, that was a different password, and I just had to change it. |
| 21:42.11 | fsmithred | now I remembered the one I need and I'm in. One minute. |
| 21:43.46 | tadau | so, here comes the new md5: 09ca6...fed77 |
| 21:43.48 | fsmithred | the checksum is good |
| 21:43.58 | fsmithred | we're using sha256sum |
| 21:44.10 | tadau | how's that? |
| 21:44.25 | fsmithred | use it the same way as md5sum |
| 21:44.38 | fsmithred | and md5 starts and ends like yours |
| 21:45.12 | fsmithred | sha256 is more secure. md5 is broken. |
| 21:45.32 | tadau | 103d6...1b80ba |
| 21:49.17 | tadau | fsmithred: /dev/sdc1 * 64 1695743 847840 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS |
| 21:49.29 | tadau | that look better now |
| 21:49.37 | tadau | +s |
| 21:51.55 | tadau | and it boots up! :-) |
| 21:52.03 | fsmithred | cool! |
| 21:52.24 | tadau | can i add another partition by hand and put some fw on it? |
| 21:52.34 | fsmithred | no, not on isohybrid |
| 21:52.43 | tadau | ok |
| 21:52.50 | fsmithred | although I've heard some people claim that you can |
| 21:52.59 | fsmithred | but isohybrid does weird stuff |
| 21:53.15 | fsmithred | if you want to make a live-usb with persistence, use refracta2usb |
| 21:53.19 | tadau | how much is it when run in ram? |
| 21:53.32 | fsmithred | size of the iso |
| 21:53.42 | fsmithred | approx. |
| 21:54.20 | tadau | well, in the case i'ld prefere to use another stick or card, or simply attach an ehternet cable to fetch the needed fw for wifi ;-) |
| 21:54.32 | fsmithred | no |
| 21:54.47 | fsmithred | the package you need is in /firmware |
| 21:54.53 | fsmithred | no, no |
| 21:54.59 | fsmithred | you don't need to install wireless firmware |
| 21:55.12 | fsmithred | it's already installed (unless you need broadcom-sta) |
| 21:55.21 | tadau | are you sure? |
| 21:55.34 | tadau | yeah, that's the one ;-) |
| 21:55.45 | fsmithred | yeah, I get confused between the refracta isos and devuan isos. I made both. |
| 21:55.55 | tadau | some broadcom - and not the one that is included in devuan |
| 21:55.58 | fsmithred | refracta does not have them installed, devuan live does. |
| 21:56.12 | fsmithred | ok, then get another usb stick |
| 21:56.18 | fsmithred | you have to compile a driver? |
| 21:56.33 | tadau | is there nmcli? |
| 21:56.45 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 21:56.52 | fsmithred | oh, network manager? |
| 21:56.53 | tadau | fsmithred: no idea - brand new toy. where shipped with win |
| 21:57.16 | fsmithred | lspci |
| 21:57.23 | tadau | ^where^came |
| 21:57.25 | fsmithred | what's your wireless hardware |
| 21:57.28 | fsmithred | ? |
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| 21:59.56 | fsmithred | tadau, run 'lspci' and tell me what your wireless card is. |
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| 22:07.34 | tadau | fsmithred: sorry, here i am again - wircd or whatever that gui is called does know how to handle my wifi - so you were right :-) |
| 22:08.52 | tadau | btw, is there something special about devuan i need to know, or is it just like jessie without systemd? |
| 22:11.31 | fsmithred | it's jessie without systemd |
| 22:11.48 | fsmithred | open a terminal and run lspci |
| 22:11.58 | fsmithred | that will give you the model number of the wireless hardware |
| 22:13.32 | fsmithred | I have to go. I'll be back in about a half hour. |
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| 22:32.16 | g4570n | aitor: hi |
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| 22:42.32 | blap | hi |
| 22:42.41 | blap | cheep |
| 22:42.44 | blap | moo |
| 22:43.38 | g4570n | hola |
| 22:44.29 | tadau | fsmithred: me too, it's supper time :-) tx! |
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| 22:56.04 | greenjeans | back |
| 22:56.12 | greenjeans | got it to work finally |
| 22:57.06 | greenjeans | pretty amazing how much faster liveusb boots as oppposed to livecd |
| 23:06.05 | aitor | g4570n, hi |
| 23:06.15 | aitor | i was out :) |
| 23:08.58 | g4570n | aitor: ah ok :D I saw that you came in and left the other channel |
| 23:09.26 | aitor | i'm there |
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| 23:16.35 | fsr | greenjeans, over here! |
| 23:17.30 | greenjeans | fsr! |
| 23:17.35 | fsr | hi |
| 23:17.38 | greenjeans | hi aitor |
| 23:18.16 | greenjeans | fsr: fat32? no way to use ext2 or ext3? |
| 23:19.28 | aitor | hi |
| 23:19.53 | fsr | there is, but there's no need |
| 23:20.02 | fsr | the fat32 part has a read-only system on it |
| 23:20.21 | aitor | i uploaded the latest live-sdk |
| 23:20.23 | aitor | gnuinos.org/live-sdk.tar.gz |
| 23:20.31 | fsr | and when it's running, the system is on a linux filesystem |
| 23:20.55 | aitor | try it in ascii with i386 and the gnuinos-server blend |
| 23:21.00 | fsr | for ext, you'd need to use extlinux instead of syslinux |
| 23:21.25 | fsr | ok, will try it |
| 23:21.34 | fsr | can't download now - I'm not at home |
| 23:21.52 | aitor | still it's not instalable |
| 23:21.54 | greenjeans | there's even a warning as it boots about how fat32 doesn't play nice with utf-8 |
| 23:21.57 | aitor | fsr: ok |
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| 23:22.33 | fsr | well, if you don't try to have a Devuan and a devuan on it, you should be ok |
| 23:22.50 | greenjeans | lol but now I can boot a machine with my usb stick and also use it to play music in my truck lololol |
| 23:23.03 | fsr | yes |
| 23:23.09 | fsr | or share files with windows computers |
| 23:23.37 | greenjeans | boots way fast...been a while since I tried it but I don't remember optical drive being that much slower than usb 2 |
| 23:23.38 | fsr | dzz doesn't even make a second partition for persistence. He hacks the initrd to be able to put it on the first partition |
| 23:24.02 | fsr | yes, optical drives are way slower than usb |
| 23:24.04 | greenjeans | i don't share files with windoze computers |
| 23:24.22 | fsr | and I can't really tell the difference between a usb and a 5400rpm drive |
| 23:24.41 | fsr | not even with a condom? |
| 23:25.13 | greenjeans | so how is it loading the live stuff? Seemed like it was to ram... |
| 23:25.29 | blap | http://img.pr0gramm.com/2017/09/21/b91ade6e19139a4f.png My latest unicode IRC troll pic :P |
| 23:25.30 | fsr | yeah, look at df |
| 23:25.47 | greenjeans | been a long time since I messed with liveusb, i need to do some reading and catch up |
| 23:26.08 | fsr | the help page will stay open as you do other stuff |
| 23:26.52 | greenjeans | cool, it's gratifyingly quick i tell ya, vuu-do runs like a champ this way |
| 23:27.05 | greenjeans | but that interface.....lol |
| 23:27.13 | greenjeans | gonna be tough for regular folks |
| 23:27.35 | fsr | I don't think you're going to attract the regular folks so much |
| 23:27.47 | greenjeans | i need to dumb that way down or my aunt is gonna beat me over it |
| 23:28.24 | fsr | openbox for aunty? |
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| 23:28.33 | greenjeans | oh I do fsr, i've installed Vuu-do or Devuan on over 40 machines now just in my little town |
| 23:28.48 | fsr | lol. |
| 23:28.48 | greenjeans | regular folks like it, mostly the mate versions |
| 23:29.04 | greenjeans | but i'm converting a few to the 'Box revolution |
| 23:29.06 | fsr | yeah, that's pretty mainstream |
| 23:29.31 | fsr | wait till you get to the part with using loopback files for persistent volumes |
| 23:29.40 | greenjeans | once they get over that insane need for icons all over their desktop... |
| 23:29.56 | greenjeans | nuh nuhnuh no. |
| 23:30.11 | greenjeans | one simple option |
| 23:30.30 | blap | was it apple or MS who started the icons all over the background thing |
| 23:30.42 | fsr | you want a linear path? |
| 23:30.56 | greenjeans | I think Refracta2usb-simple is what needs to happen, just a couple clicks |
| 23:31.20 | greenjeans | blap: can't remember now, been so long |
| 23:31.31 | fsr | think of it as a swiss army knife |
| 23:31.43 | greenjeans | I know |
| 23:31.47 | greenjeans | and that's great |
| 23:32.02 | greenjeans | but a simple version would be cool too |
| 23:32.05 | fsr | rtfm - there's a quick guide |
| 23:32.12 | greenjeans | can I hack on it now? |
| 23:32.12 | fsr | you can read it and do it at the same time |
| 23:32.35 | fsr | you want to mess with the script, go ahead. it's gpl |
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| 23:33.38 | greenjeans | sweet, i'll make a hella mess of it later |
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