| 00:00.41 | blap | yes |
| 00:01.32 | blap | trying to install the list of all my old sid packages is a bad idea (tm) |
| 00:04.04 | blap | is there an apt-get install command that will completely ignore unavailable packages specified? -m doesn't do the trick |
| 00:04.57 | gnarface | off the top of my head, i don't know. i'd have to read the manpage |
| 00:05.39 | gnarface | it wouldn't be too difficult to write a script that loops through your list and checks for the packages first though |
| 00:07.59 | fsmithred | that code is already in live-sdk |
| 00:08.27 | fsmithred | for a one-off, probably better to just manually edit the list |
| 00:09.07 | fsmithred | and you can ignore most of the packages that start with lib |
| 00:09.33 | fsmithred | install the stuff you want and the libs will be automatic |
| 00:12.24 | blap | ah i found a way |
| 00:12.42 | blap | for loop through the file containing the packages |
| 00:12.46 | blap | with apt-get install -y |
| 00:13.09 | blap | that grabs what it can |
| 00:14.06 | fsmithred | blap, are there any packages in your list that start with task? (other than tasksel) |
| 00:14.40 | blap | nope |
| 00:14.45 | fsmithred | ok |
| 00:15.16 | fsmithred | those are metapackages, like task-desktop |
| 00:15.43 | blap | for i in `cat packagelist`; do sudo apt-get install -y $i; done |
| 00:21.14 | blap | will be interesting to try devuan on the Dragonbox Pyra |
| 00:22.12 | gnarface | you got your hands on one?! |
| 00:22.26 | blap | no, not a prototype owner :| |
| 00:22.49 | gnarface | oh, i was excited, i thought they were shipping |
| 00:22.50 | blap | but preordered |
| 00:23.14 | gnarface | i have been waiting like 4 years for that one to coalesce from vapor |
| 00:23.25 | blap | work is ongoing |
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| 00:23.47 | gnarface | is it still like 700USD? |
| 00:23.53 | blap | yes |
| 00:24.00 | gnarface | shite |
| 00:24.07 | blap | so is a new iphone |
| 00:24.52 | gnarface | i'd much rather have a pyra than an iphone |
| 00:24.58 | blap | :) |
| 00:25.51 | blap | got a few linux phones here too. n900+maemo, Droid4+SailfishOS |
| 00:26.03 | blap | with keyboards of course |
| 00:26.38 | gnarface | do you have much experience with u-boot? |
| 00:26.43 | blap | nope |
| 00:27.05 | gnarface | i have a pinebook here i'm trying to use to learn it |
| 00:27.47 | blap | nice, never heard of them |
| 00:29.11 | gnarface | a good idea in principle (https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707) ... same deal as the pyra generally, waiting list, drop ship in made-to-order batches, etc, but it's only 100$ and they actually ship them |
| 00:29.31 | gnarface | as in provably NOT vapor, i can attest first-hand |
| 00:29.57 | gnarface | however, they chose some ubuntu fork as the base distribution and the 2 people on their project who can recreate the u-boot build it shipped with aren't telling anyone how |
| 00:29.57 | blap | hmm the omap4 does 0.163 gflops/w and the A53 does 0.813 gflops/w |
| 00:30.47 | gnarface | (i actually suspect they shipped it with stolen binary content and NOT the code that's checked into their github accounts) |
| 00:30.56 | blap | ah :) |
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| 00:31.27 | blap | well the a53 might be an interesting option for an upgrade for the pyra cpu board |
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| 00:31.50 | blap | you can't install devuan without a different uboot? |
| 00:32.02 | gnarface | yea the chip is nice actually, quad-core |
| 00:32.26 | blap | $100?? |
| 00:32.41 | gnarface | well, it cost me $130 including shipping, but ea |
| 00:32.43 | gnarface | yea |
| 00:32.46 | blap | wow |
| 00:32.56 | gnarface | i was on a waiting list for maybe 3 months or so i think? |
| 00:34.17 | gnarface | i *might* in theory be able to use their u-boot binary stripped raw off the onboard storage with dd, but i don't trust it enough to put it on my network, so that's not gonna happen until their build is at least provably recreateable |
| 00:35.00 | gnarface | right now what's on there, i can't prove it has anything to do with the code they claim it was compiled from |
| 00:35.47 | gnarface | and it still might be my own mistake, i admit, but they're not willing to help so, i'm on my own |
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| 00:36.14 | gnarface | good chance to learn about u-boot though i guess, seems like it might be useful for other ARM devices in the future too |
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| 00:36.36 | blap | yes i went to a lecture on uboot at foscon and forgot everything i learned |
| 00:37.21 | gnarface | u-boot proper is currently quite a mess from what i gathered, but the pinebook is using a fork of a fork |
| 00:37.41 | gnarface | (and it's predictably 3x worse as you'd expect) |
| 00:39.19 | gnarface | and i get it, i understand they're working uphill, reverse-engineering hardware from a hostile 3rd party vendor, but if they wanted to seem competent and trustworthy i think they'd at least check in the configuration they shipped it with to the source tree they claim it was compiled from |
| 00:40.41 | blap | wow Pyra gets about 10x the gflops/w as the Pandora |
| 00:40.56 | blap | oh wait, it's omap5 |
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| 00:47.37 | blap | wonder what the heck pulled in tex |
| 00:48.46 | gnarface | usually some documentation generator |
| 00:48.58 | blap | oh gnustep apparently |
| 00:56.08 | gnarface | sometimes it's just a [something]-doc package that isn't actually required |
| 00:57.37 | gnarface | (i often just remove it afterwards) |
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| 01:10.53 | blap | mhm quite a few things also want samba/cifs |
| 01:11.02 | blap | which i guess i'll just rebuild |
| 01:11.12 | blap | without samba/cifs |
| 01:11.47 | gnarface | it might be linked into cups |
| 01:12.00 | gnarface | so you can print to printers shared on windows |
| 01:12.25 | gnarface | the default kernel has samba&cifs network filesystem support too |
| 01:12.57 | gnarface | definitely not required |
| 01:13.29 | gnarface | there's better ways to do all that unless you actually need to share a LAN with Windows users |
| 01:16.11 | gnarface | (you could just blacklist the kernel modules and none of it will work) |
| 01:23.10 | blap | ah ty |
| 01:23.54 | blap | so far i'm up to 8.6GB from 3.4 |
| 01:24.40 | blap | what browser do you use for Devuan, gnarface ? |
| 01:24.53 | gnarface | i'm still using firefox-esr |
| 01:24.59 | gnarface | but it won't last forever |
| 01:25.01 | blap | with apulse? |
| 01:25.17 | gnarface | uh, the copy i have installed doesn't require pulseaudio yet |
| 01:25.21 | blap | ok |
| 01:25.30 | gnarface | firefox-esr is in a separate package |
| 01:25.54 | blap | Pale Moon is working pretty well for me in debian |
| 01:26.11 | gnarface | when they finally kill it, i'm gonna need an alternative and i don't know what i'll switch to. lots of people are saying palemoon |
| 01:26.31 | gnarface | some people mentioned you can still build seamonkey from upstream sources, i considered checking into that too |
| 01:26.44 | gnarface | (as i'm also using thunderbird) |
| 01:27.07 | gnarface | i don't trust chrome |
| 01:27.18 | blap | i hear it downloads blobs at runtime |
| 01:27.33 | gnarface | well, so will firefox, if you let it |
| 01:28.30 | gnarface | i stopped using Flash and Java |
| 01:28.49 | gnarface | if you need them, that might change your options |
| 01:29.06 | blap | i do not |
| 01:30.16 | gnarface | some people are advocating midori on ARM hardware |
| 01:30.23 | gnarface | i don't like the interface, personally |
| 01:30.40 | gnarface | but it's lighter than firefox |
| 01:31.07 | gnarface | (brb) |
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| 01:56.11 | blap | i'll see what the pyra community produces |
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| 02:17.45 | Artemis3 | gnarface, palemoon |
| 02:19.24 | gnarface | blap was the one asking Artemis3 |
| 02:21.08 | Artemis3 | or chromium |
| 02:21.21 | Artemis3 | palemoon should be a bit lighter |
| 02:23.12 | blap | pm didn't like newer gcc, but devuan jessie should work |
| 02:25.37 | Artemis3 | oh you are compiling it? |
| 02:26.00 | Artemis3 | indeed you need 4.9 or something |
| 02:26.34 | Xenguy | For me chrome is essentially google spyware |
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| 02:27.21 | Xenguy | And chromium, as I understand it, is also somewhat infected with some of those google behaviors... |
| 02:27.41 | Xenguy | Or otherwise not entirely vanilla |
| 02:28.09 | Xenguy | So trying Pale Moon lately, so far so good |
| 02:28.16 | Artemis3 | what i like about it is you can cherry pick your alsa device |
| 02:32.58 | gnarface | kernel 4.9 is in jessie-backports |
| 02:33.34 | gnarface | or you talking about gcc 4.9? |
| 02:33.48 | gnarface | i thought gcc 4.9 was actually in jessie proper |
| 02:34.58 | fsmithred | 4.8 and 4.9 here. I think 4.8 might be leftover from wheezy |
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| 02:43.51 | Artemis3 | gcc not the kernel lol |
| 02:59.06 | blap | ok guest df -h says it's using 6.3GB but the qcow2 image is 15GB |
| 03:16.54 | blap | ah, deleting files doesn't zero them, so qcow doesn't shrink the image |
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| 03:56.42 | blap | I have calculated what chatters owe me when you type something useless. |
| 03:56.44 | blap | In one hour my irc client gets 543048 characters sent+received, 1,623,021,530 instructions executed, 2988 instructions per character. An 80 line chat message would be 239098 instructions. CPU does 4594 mips at 45 watts, so an average line of text would come out to 0.000000651 watt-hours, or 0.000000000195 euro per message |
| 04:02.12 | furrywolf | so, if I give you a cent, I can spam you with 5128205128 messages? |
| 04:04.00 | furrywolf | whoops, that would be a full euro. 51282051 messages for a cent. |
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| 04:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 04:10.25 | pydsigner | blap: you owe me 0.0000000004 EUR |
| 04:11.20 | blap | yes, my message was ironic :) |
| 04:13.36 | blap | warning: compressing the qcow2 devuan image resulted in kernel panic when rebooting with -enable-kvm. Without kvm it booted ok. |
| 04:13.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and as wrong as the calculation of those folks that compare a subway ticket to the cost of gasoline for their car for commuting, and still they wonder why the heck they have so much less money left over since they started using the car to commute |
| 04:14.41 | blap | yes, it's full of wrong assumptions |
| 04:15.43 | blap | starting qemu once without kvm and shutting down fixed it |
| 04:16.54 | furrywolf | DocScrutinizer: but they have more time, which is often more important than money, or at least exchangable. |
| 04:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you never have more time. It's always 24h per day and 60 min per hour ;-D |
| 04:18.10 | furrywolf | but you can spend an hour using public transit, or 45 minutes doing something interesting and 15 minutes of driving. |
| 04:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, I usually have more time in my car searching for a parking slot or waiting in a traffic jam than I had before in the subway and on walking from/to startions |
| 04:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: don't know where you live and what subways/trains you got there. Here it's rather the other way around :-) But honestly we should stop this. It's terribly OT :) |
| 04:20.21 | furrywolf | then the city/county you're in needs to work on its parking. heh. |
| 04:20.52 | furrywolf | and traffic jams are things only those wierd city people have. :P |
| 04:21.22 | furrywolf | there's no public transit here (my exact location), and nearby (within 5 hours) there's only busses, with minimal service. |
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| 04:22.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 04:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah that's quite different |
| 04:23.15 | furrywolf | last train ran in the '90s. |
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| 04:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | from my house to main railway station I could walk (45 min), use car incl parking and traffic jam (30 min), subway incl walking to station here - main station is spot.on with subway (20min), or my scooter door to door incl "parking" (8min) |
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| 04:28.53 | blap | urgh, something i installed made my fonts blurry |
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| 04:29.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet that something is called anitaliasing or somesuch |
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| 04:29.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "smooth edges" |
| 04:30.21 | blap | yeh fontconfig or so |
| 04:33.27 | blap | no i used the wrong wmctrl settings |
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| 04:47.33 | blap | https://abload.de/img/qemu_scaling6fsy9.png what qemu does to bitmap fonts if you get the window size off by one pixel |
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| 07:05.28 | system16 | hi each time i turn on my server after those NO WARRANTY things it says :you have mail...how can i open this "mail" ? |
| 07:13.22 | debdog | type "mail" |
| 07:15.30 | system16 | oh |
| 07:15.32 | system16 | lol |
| 07:15.44 | system16 | its nothing ... thanks |
| 07:17.35 | system16 | http://dpaste.com/3M8YD63 |
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| 07:25.08 | bozonius | Devuan 1.0 with XFCE. Two issues: one is that the mouse often "jitters" while doing some kind of update or loading a new program onto the desktop. That is, the "wheel" motion is not steady, the mouse kind of hops back and forth diagonally about 1/4 inch(?). |
| 07:25.35 | bozonius | the other problem is I cannot figure out how to disable the mouse wheel action that takes me to different desktops (I have about 7 or 8) |
| 07:27.01 | bozonius | I've looked at openbox config, the panel module config, and several other places with no luck. The option to enable this is disabled where I have been able to find a hint of it. |
| 07:27.29 | bozonius | more nuisances than anything, but I'd like to get them fixed if possible. |
| 07:27.36 | elc79 | Hi, i'm trying to install policykit in my Debian 9 with OpenRC, but the Devuan repository gives me an error because of keyring, how can i fix this? |
| 07:27.41 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 07:27.47 | AntoFox | the hezeh repo is now updated, now mate and cinnamon are more stable |
| 07:30.50 | elc79 | Hi, i'm trying to install policykit in my Debian 9 with OpenRC, but the Devuan repository gives me an error because of keyring, how can i fix this? |
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| 09:06.15 | aitor | moin |
| 09:06.29 | aitor | i solved the issue with d-i and live-sdk |
| 09:06.46 | aitor | today i'll upload the sources to gitlab |
| 09:07.18 | aitor | coffee :) |
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| 09:20.04 | system16 | DocScrutinizer05, i have no-ip configured .... how can i run this on startup : |
| 09:20.51 | system16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.54 | blap | check out /etc/init.d system16 |
| 09:34.38 | system16 | is that the startup folder blap ? |
| 09:34.49 | blap | well there are a lot of ways to do this |
| 09:35.13 | system16 | simple way ? |
| 09:35.24 | system16 | im using devuan with no gui btw |
| 09:36.10 | blap | you can also add an entry to crontab with the @reboot parameter |
| 09:36.42 | system16 | i can start it manually but im too lazy |
| 09:37.18 | system16 | just plz tell me the simple way blap |
| 09:37.25 | blap | or come to think of it /etc/rc.local |
| 09:37.45 | blap | is more proper for user programs |
| 09:38.10 | system16 | cd /etc/rc.local then ? |
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| 09:38.26 | KatolaZ | system16: http://www.linuxvoodoo.com/resources/howtos/sysvinit |
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| 09:44.18 | system16 | blap thats just badnews :) |
| 09:46.45 | blap | is there an autobuild type system for devuan? i'd like to add a few small programs |
| 09:51.45 | KatolaZ | blap: ? |
| 09:57.40 | gnarface | blap: all the same Debian packaging automation tools are available and working |
| 09:57.56 | gnarface | dpkg-buildpackage, etc |
| 09:58.00 | gnarface | it should all work the same |
| 09:59.45 | blap | so publish them on github and let you guys check em out? |
| 10:01.20 | gnarface | oh you mean you want to actually add stuff officially |
| 10:01.41 | gnarface | i'm actually not sure what the official procedure is, that's a better question for KatolaZ |
| 10:01.52 | gnarface | there is a private gitlab, i think you sign up there |
| 10:02.25 | gnarface | i'm not sure if it's required or optional to use the devuan gitlab instead of github |
| 10:08.43 | blap | something like wmtop for starters |
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| 10:15.51 | KatolaZ | apt-cache search wmtop |
| 10:15.52 | KatolaZ | wmtop - dockapp that displays 3 top memory or CPU using processes |
| 10:15.57 | KatolaZ | it's already there... |
| 10:16.18 | blap | in jessie? |
| 10:16.21 | KatolaZ | (I am on ascii though) |
| 10:16.24 | blap | ok |
| 10:16.37 | KatolaZ | I mean, it's already packaged |
| 10:21.35 | blap | is any one working on a Pale Moon build? |
| 10:23.26 | gnarface | doesn't know |
| 10:25.31 | KatolaZ | blap: you can use the regula palemoon packages for Debian, I guess |
| 10:25.35 | KatolaZ | ~regular |
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| 10:42.50 | blap | ok |
| 10:43.07 | blap | i hate linux fonts |
| 10:43.24 | blap | fc-cache didn't find my new gohufont in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
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| 10:56.19 | blap | fc-list shows a bunch of /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc fonts, but not my new ones, or the ones in ~/.fonts |
| 10:58.05 | gnarface | what does your Xorg log say? is it finding that directory? |
| 10:58.27 | gnarface | i don't have to remind you to check the permissions, do i? |
| 10:58.34 | blap | you do not |
| 10:59.14 | blap | FontPath is set to /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc etc... |
| 10:59.52 | gnarface | you're sure that's the right type of font for that directory? |
| 11:00.05 | gnarface | most the fonts you use these days are gonna be under /usr/share/fonts/truetype, i think |
| 11:00.12 | blap | yeah gohufont-*.pcf.gz |
| 11:00.30 | blap | someone made a ttf version too but this should work too |
| 11:02.38 | blap | in fact fc-list |grep misc only shows the ter* fonts stored there |
| 11:02.58 | gnarface | do you have to restart Xorg? |
| 11:03.29 | gnarface | oh, for that matter are you even loading the module for that type of font? |
| 11:04.12 | blap | module? |
| 11:04.42 | gnarface | Section "Module" |
| 11:04.49 | gnarface | # Load "type1" |
| 11:04.51 | gnarface | ? |
| 11:05.31 | gnarface | or whatever one it is. you should also be able to check the xorg.conf for that, i think |
| 11:05.34 | gnarface | er |
| 11:05.47 | gnarface | i mean you should be able to check the Xorg.0.log for it |
| 11:05.53 | blap | i don't have an xorg.conf afaict |
| 11:05.58 | blap | hm |
| 11:06.03 | gnarface | yea there isn't one at all any more by default |
| 11:06.32 | gnarface | it relies entirely on auto-detect by default, but you can still create one if you need to |
| 11:06.51 | gnarface | snippets in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 11:08.52 | blap | xset -q shows /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc in Font Path: |
| 11:11.37 | blap | fc-list |grep misc only shows a few of the fonts in that dir. why? |
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| 11:18.53 | blap | on debian fc-list |grep gohu finds it |
| 11:19.14 | blap | /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/gohufont-uni-11.pcf.gz: GohuFont:style=Regular |
| 11:19.37 | gnarface | did you call fc-cache differently? |
| 11:20.10 | gnarface | did something else call it for you? |
| 11:21.25 | blap | fc-cache -frv (force regen, erase and rescan, verbose) shows it scanning X11/misc |
| 11:21.49 | gnarface | i unfortunately don't know much about these tools |
| 11:22.18 | gnarface | fc-validate? |
| 11:27.36 | gnarface | you have the relevant locale for the font loaded? i'm not sure if that matters, just guessing |
| 11:27.55 | gnarface | gohufont-uni-* <- unicode font? |
| 11:28.51 | blap | yes |
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| 12:03.14 | blap | X -configure generated a broken xorg.conf |
| 12:03.38 | blap | interesting |
| 12:05.25 | gnarface | not a huge surprise to me |
| 12:06.08 | blap | well it was just to see if it generated a modules section loading X11/misc fonts, which it did |
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| 12:08.32 | blap | default fonts look good anyway |
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| 12:28.37 | blap | oh i made a new xrandr mode |
| 12:29.40 | blap | http://imgur.com/D719bHQl.png :) |
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| 13:02.35 | blap | ok got my custom mode working |
| 13:03.12 | blap | <3 devuan + fluxbox using just 371 MB |
| 13:05.43 | gnarface | cool |
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| 13:17.25 | blap | found it gnarface: fontconfig was set to ignore all bitmap fonts - sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config fixed that |
| 13:22.03 | blap | but i see qemu is contacting two external hosts for some reason |
| 13:23.27 | fsmithred | 371mb for fluxbox sounds high. You got a browser open? |
| 13:24.32 | blap | no |
| 13:24.34 | blap | 95.169.188.103:443 ESTABLISHED 1915/qemu-system-x8 |
| 13:24.35 | blap | 87.98.245.84:9001 ESTABLISHED 1915/qemu-system-x |
| 13:27.00 | gnarface | ah, i thought it was something about fontconfig, but couldn't find a fontconfig binary |
| 13:27.18 | gnarface | forgot about that one |
| 13:29.40 | blap | why is qemu connecting to a tor node? |
| 13:30.54 | blap | ah i think i knows why |
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| 14:13.12 | MinceR | lol @ new xrandr mode |
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| 14:28.30 | blap | can you run netstat -pant in devuan and tell me if it's showing you the process number of processes with open connections? |
| 14:28.36 | blap | i'm not seeing any process numbers |
| 14:28.39 | blap | (jessie) |
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| 14:30.53 | Xenguy | yes, in the right-hand column |
| 14:30.57 | Xenguy | IIUC |
| 14:31.07 | blap | i'm not seeing any |
| 14:31.26 | Xenguy | Strange, Jessie here too |
| 14:31.50 | Xenguy | What output are you getting? |
| 14:32.25 | blap | no pids at all |
| 14:32.36 | blap | but connections to hosts I do not like |
| 14:33.03 | Xenguy | pastebin it if you want |
| 14:34.45 | blap | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.03 | blap | -A INPUT -s 78.47.18.110/32 -j DROP |
| 14:35.17 | blap | -A OUTPUT -s 78.47.18.110/32 -j DROP |
| 14:36.20 | blap | i need to learn my iptables commands |
| 14:42.51 | Walex | blap: don't! It is much more subtle than people realize. |
| 14:43.11 | Walex | blap: use a firewall rule generator like 'ferm' which I particularly like. |
| 14:43.25 | Xenguy | also uses a firewall script... |
| 14:43.34 | djph | uses a butterfly |
| 14:43.35 | Walex | blap: to see process numbers you need to be 'root' |
| 14:45.18 | Xenguy | I am seeing PIDs as a regular user |
| 14:46.11 | Walex | Xenguy: obviously for your own processes you have permission... |
| 14:46.22 | blap | can i block ipv6 addrs? |
| 14:46.32 | Walex | Xenguy: compare with and without 'sudo' a lot of "-" will appear |
| 14:46.36 | Walex | blap: yes |
| 14:46.44 | Xenguy | Walex: I see what you mean |
| 14:47.10 | Walex | blap: just use 'ferm', handles both IPv4 and IPv6 with the same rules. |
| 14:47.45 | Walex | blap: I have even a sample pretty much "universal" 'ferm' config if you want |
| 14:48.01 | blap | i'm reading |
| 14:48.13 | blap | yes another examplep would be helpful |
| 14:53.09 | Walex | blap: http://www.sabi.co.uk/xirc/S/ferm.conf |
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| 14:54.11 | Walex | blap: it is a bit more elaborate than most as it also block outgoing connections outside listed ports |
| 14:55.11 | Walex | s/ports/ports or addresses/ |
| 14:55.30 | blap | how would i block a destination address in ferm.conf? |
| 14:55.50 | blap | tcp+udp+icmp |
| 14:57.27 | Walex | blap: chain 'OUTPUT' 'daddr ... DROP' |
| 14:57.59 | Walex | blap: you only need to select on 'domain (ip ip6) { ... }' |
| 15:00.15 | Walex | blap: and 'table filter' of course. |
| 15:00.48 | Walex | blap: the default 'ferm.conf' it pretty decent as a starting point |
| 15:01.21 | Walex | blap: probably also add to 'chain FORWARD' |
| 15:03.08 | blap | why have multiple domain sections? |
| 15:05.13 | blap | it complains about daddr 78.47.18.110 DROP; |
| 15:05.21 | blap | oh i needed brackets |
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| 15:12.33 | blap | ping |
| 15:18.14 | blap | ty Walex |
| 15:19.32 | blap | i ended up with tor because of this thing i tried once that compared results between a set of http requests and the torified versions |
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| 15:28.29 | fsmithred | must have been a torrifying experience |
| 15:29.33 | blap | it was interesting |
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| 16:01.07 | blap | do i need console-kit-daemon in devuan? |
| 16:01.17 | blap | for x |
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| 16:02.20 | blap | i think not |
| 16:06.17 | blap | hmm polkitd is needed tho |
| 16:09.42 | MinceR | :( |
| 16:16.05 | blap | what's :( MinceR |
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| 16:21.24 | MinceR | polkit, mainly |
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| 16:28.23 | blap | Xorg wasn't happy with me removing it |
| 16:28.32 | blap | https://blog.quarkslab.com/a-glimpse-of-ext4-filesystem-level-encryption.html oh neat, i can encrypt a directory now |
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| 17:50.45 | buZz | ehw |
| 17:50.50 | buZz | are all devuan mirrors broken? |
| 17:51.11 | buZz | the jessie installer is telling me that 'jessie' isnt on the mirror .. |
| 17:52.29 | fsmithred | update is working here (auto.mirror, in US) |
| 17:53.39 | buZz | weird |
| 17:55.49 | buZz | bizar, wonder wtf is wrong |
| 17:56.51 | buZz | *retries for third time* |
| 17:57.05 | buZz | maybe i'll just grab a bigger installer than netinst |
| 17:57.46 | telst4r | Works for me (tm) |
| 17:58.51 | telst4r | but ya. get the full image then. |
| 17:59.15 | buZz | bit annoying on 300kb/s internet ;) |
| 17:59.36 | fsmithred | get dvd, not cd |
| 17:59.48 | buZz | why? |
| 18:00.04 | fsmithred | cd gives you a less than desirable desktop |
| 18:00.18 | buZz | thats ok, i just need base + openssh :P |
| 18:00.37 | fsmithred | that'll be fine |
| 18:00.44 | buZz | hmm, guess netinst already give me base |
| 18:00.48 | buZz | tried to skip ahead |
| 18:05.35 | buZz | alright, just ignoring network seems to be fine :P |
| 18:14.03 | fromport | buZz: did you specify a cache/proxy by any chance ? |
| 18:14.49 | buZz | nope |
| 18:14.51 | fromport | is normal http(s) traffic firewalled ? i just tried and netinstall with auto.mirror works here (like fsmithred also in usa) |
| 18:14.58 | buZz | just enter enter next |
| 18:15.17 | buZz | i tried a couple random mirror links, but installer kept saying the same |
| 18:15.25 | buZz | no filtering here on http afaik |
| 18:15.26 | fromport | *weird* what ip address does it give you ? |
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| 18:15.48 | buZz | just the normal , tried on other machine inside lan |
| 18:16.03 | buZz | its apt install'ing from it right now |
| 18:16.09 | buZz | 46.105.191.77 |
| 18:16.31 | fromport | https://pastebin.com/WXGaZXyf |
| 18:17.04 | buZz | yeah |
| 18:17.10 | fromport | so the first machine, does it have an ethernet card that needs special firmware to work (aka non-free_) ? |
| 18:17.32 | buZz | hmmm, maybe |
| 18:17.34 | buZz | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c) |
| 18:17.49 | buZz | but, inside installer, network works, i can ping 8.8.8.8 , ping google.com , etc |
| 18:18.18 | buZz | [ 2.444239] r8169 0000:03:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw |
| 18:18.23 | buZz | yeah it loads firmware |
| 18:19.33 | buZz | ah well, working now ;) |
| 18:20.02 | buZz | oh, 1 weird thing i did during install, |
| 18:20.16 | buZz | rootfs is on /dev/sda1 , swap is some old swap partition on a different disk |
| 18:20.22 | buZz | shouldnt matter i guess |
| 18:20.54 | fromport | it probably detects/enables _any_ swap it finds on any disks. |
| 18:21.31 | fromport | i think people are now prefering swap file over swap partition, so you can later edit /etc/fstab and make it the way you want it ;-) |
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| 18:26.13 | buZz | :) sounds sorta wise yeah |
| 18:27.31 | fsmithred | the realtek 8169 driver is flaky |
| 18:27.58 | fsmithred | I replaced it with r8168 from ubuntu trusty on one machine that kept dropping connection randomly |
| 18:29.04 | buZz | hmmm just mid-apt install errored out with 'no route to host' |
| 18:29.21 | buZz | guess i could just as well get a proper networkcard :P |
| 18:29.28 | fromport | canyou still swap console (alt-F2) |
| 18:29.36 | fromport | hit enter , and type: dmesg|tail |
| 18:29.46 | fsmithred | you're in the installed system now? Or are you still in the installer? |
| 18:30.06 | fromport | i think he is still installing |
| 18:30.34 | fromport | probably during the big collecting of all "standard" packages ;-) |
| 18:30.54 | telst4r | "apt-get install *" |
| 18:31.36 | fsmithred | to make sure you don't miss anything? |
| 18:32.18 | buZz | fromport: i'm already booted to install |
| 18:32.28 | buZz | not inside the installer |
| 18:32.33 | fromport | sorry, my bad |
| 18:32.37 | buZz | dmesg didnt show much errors when i looked earlier |
| 18:33.06 | buZz | the alt-f4 syslog mirror showed the 'target release not on mirror (jessie)' |
| 18:33.28 | fromport | but even then, you could switch to txt console CTL-ALT-F2 and login and do "dmesg|tail" to see if the kernel mentioned something about losing the route |
| 18:33.32 | fsmithred | can you ping someplace outside, or is there no network? |
| 18:35.04 | buZz | during installer i could ping out |
| 18:35.32 | buZz | fromport: possibly this ; |
| 18:35.32 | buZz | [ 76.161832] mtrr: no MTRR for f1000000,1000000 found |
| 18:35.48 | buZz | nothing else until i plugged in yubikey |
| 18:35.54 | buZz | (just now) |
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| 19:03.50 | fromport | buZz: "route -n" does that show anything ? |
| 19:04.04 | buZz | just normal routes |
| 19:04.12 | fromport | like fmsithred said: can you ping another local machine, maybe default router ? 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 19:04.29 | buZz | i could ping all the things and still can |
| 19:04.45 | fromport | ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 19:04.49 | fromport | also works ? |
| 19:04.58 | buZz | yeah just like before |
| 19:05.26 | fromport | real mystery why you can't couldn't download the packages |
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| 19:05.49 | buZz | i'll try installer again later, once i've moved all the stuff of old SSDs :) |
| 19:06.24 | buZz | i noticed a rogue nonfunctional ipv6 route being advertized on this lan, i killed that |
| 19:06.37 | buZz | wonder if that might be it :) |
| 19:06.46 | fromport | could be |
| 19:07.06 | fromport | route -n -6 |
| 19:07.23 | fromport | does that point to the roque router as default gw ? |
| 19:07.39 | buZz | not anymore, as i killed it ;) |
| 19:08.02 | buZz | (and rebooted box afterwards) |
| 19:08.05 | fromport | the route could still be there |
| 19:08.07 | fromport | ahh |
| 19:08.09 | fromport | okay |
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| 19:45.34 | blap | well dpkg-buildpackage of the stevenpusser package breaks here |
| 19:45.59 | blap | trying mach build |
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| 20:27.33 | aitor | hi |
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| 21:02.27 | aitor | i'll be back later :) |
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| 22:10.37 | e3d3 | I want to play a movie from DVD. Does Devuan has special advice about codecs or should I follow the Debian info ? |
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| 23:21.12 | bozonius | how can I disable scrolling mouse wheel from switching desktops in xfce? I've looked in openbox, the panel plugin, and a few other places and haven't been able to make it stop switching desktops. |
| 23:23.57 | g4570n | Settings, Window manager settings, tab: Work areas |
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| 23:31.22 | bozonius | Window Manager Tweaks, not Settings, but that was it. Thank you! |
| 23:32.01 | bozonius | I prefer to use the scroll wheel to slide the elevator up and down usually. But sometimes it would also switch the workspaces also. |
| 23:32.09 | bozonius | this was driving me nuts! |
| 23:32.53 | g4570n | lol excuse my bad english :D |
| 23:33.34 | bozonius | nah. There are at least 3 other similar interfaces (installed, to make things worse) that have similar check boxes. |
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