| 00:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
| 00:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yesterday I replaced the RMB Omron switch in my mouse, just to find today that the LMB Omron switch also freaks out and needs replacement |
| 00:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | as if it broke from repairing its sibling |
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| 00:45.33 | fsmithred | mails a crate of broken mice to DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 00:54.51 | EHeM | Where is a crate of broken cats when you need them?! |
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| 01:00.52 | justinsm | The switch contacts are probably tarnished and just needed a squirt of deoxit or similar. |
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| 01:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather a few milliampere more to keep them selfcleaning |
| 01:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | then OTOH _all_ mice and basically all embedded switch crap I ever seen is built the wrong way: the key's only mechanical stop is the white button on the switch, which only allows max 10 times the operation force or the switch will go defect. If those fools had a real mechanical stop and a spring or hoam or rubber to push the switch button, this would reliably avoid any switch damage from excessive force to the key, but it would cost |
| 01:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | like 0.5ct more |
| 01:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | absolutely same applies to clickdisk switches |
| 01:50.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the dome disk collapses permanently when you apply too much force to it, yet any keymat on embedded has no mechanical stop other than the post that presses down the clickdisk |
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| 01:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | then for the Omron type microswitches , the manufs are also fools. why don't they allow the white button to go all the way into the switch body so key's post would stop on the switch's body rather than on the white button |
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| 01:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the Omron D2FC-F has 75g operation force and breaks with 750g which isn't too hard to exceed when pressing a mouse button in action |
| 02:06.51 | justinsm | I used Servisol Super 70 on this one about 4 years ago after the buttons started acting up. |
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| 02:07.24 | justinsm | Logitech LS1 laser mouse which I bought about 10 years ago. |
| 02:07.46 | justinsm | remarkable service life really |
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| 02:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Logi MX5500 aka Revolution, 5 to 20 years old (I got 3 of them), and the only thing constantly breaking are those damn switches |
| 02:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5 to 10, typo |
| 02:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | th eLMB switch is noticably mechanically wrecked |
| 02:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | lower operational force, different sound |
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| 06:54.20 | system16 | hi whats the command for putting pc in SLEEP mode? |
| 06:55.06 | system16 | with internet? |
| 06:55.21 | system16 | u know like ps4 s rest mode |
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| 07:23.45 | gnarface | system16: not sure what it's called, if it's called something other than sleep - but it also requires special hardware support |
| 07:24.14 | system16 | devuan is running on a netbook |
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| 07:40.45 | rdav__ | system16: pm-suspend for sleep, pm-hibernate for hibernate in swap file. |
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| 07:41.10 | system16 | pm-suspend now? |
| 07:41.33 | rdav__ | maybe, I haven't used it much from command line |
| 07:41.44 | rdav__ | though have used pm-hibernate a lot |
| 07:41.58 | system16 | im using devuan with no gui |
| 07:42.11 | rdav__ | interesting |
| 07:42.28 | rdav__ | as in a server? |
| 07:42.41 | system16 | yes |
| 07:42.50 | rdav__ | would be interested to hear how you go with that |
| 07:42.55 | system16 | sftp server |
| 07:43.23 | gnarface | system16: power saving isn't my area of expertise, i'm more about power wasting ;) check out the tlp package in jessie-backports, and pm-utils for what rdav__ is talking about, there might be a couple other different things. general acpi documentation might give you a lower-level interface too |
| 07:43.23 | rdav__ | could you possibly write up something for the devuan blog about this? |
| 07:44.09 | gnarface | system16: also if your keyboard has a hibernate and/or sleep button, at least with e17 there's a good chance it'll actually work |
| 07:44.15 | system16 | uhh rdav ask djph djph helped me to do this |
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| 07:45.26 | system16 | u mean no one used devuan as a server os before? |
| 07:56.15 | gnarface | i have to assume he means some other part of that, maybe that it's a netbook? i have headless servers all over this place... |
| 07:57.24 | system16 | its a small sftp server with 250 gb of storage (its a cute server not a server :)) |
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| 08:13.30 | system16 | i typed :suspend |
| 08:13.59 | system16 | [1]+stopped su root |
| 08:14.06 | system16 | what is this ? |
| 08:14.59 | gnarface | my best guess is BASH job control |
| 08:15.16 | system16 | how can i run it again? |
| 08:15.29 | gnarface | resume |
| 08:15.47 | gnarface | hotkeys ctrl-s and ctrl-q, i think |
| 08:15.53 | gnarface | er, wait |
| 08:15.59 | gnarface | maybe ctrl-z and "fg" |
| 08:16.14 | gnarface | check the bash manpage, string search for JOB CONTROL |
| 08:16.15 | system16 | resume [1]+ ? |
| 08:16.22 | gnarface | looks right |
| 08:16.51 | system16 | no it didnt work |
| 08:17.07 | gnarface | that wasn't the output? |
| 08:17.17 | gnarface | i meant just literally "resume" only that |
| 08:17.20 | gnarface | if not, try "fg" instead |
| 08:17.59 | system16 | fg [1]+ no such a job |
| 08:18.46 | gnarface | hmm |
| 08:18.53 | gnarface | interesting |
| 08:18.58 | gnarface | i wonder if you're using dash instead of bash |
| 08:19.09 | system16 | [ ? |
| 08:20.24 | system16 | what now? |
| 08:20.49 | gnarface | there's a minimal shell called dash that is a bash alternative, but it's missing a lot of features |
| 08:21.09 | gnarface | it's popular to use for startup scripts, but you should probably not use it for login |
| 08:21.28 | system16 | idk i only want that 1+ to startup again |
| 08:21.38 | gnarface | if "fg" didn't work i dunno what will |
| 08:21.45 | gnarface | check the manpage |
| 08:22.16 | gnarface | you're not literally trying to pass "[1]+" to it, are you? |
| 08:22.31 | system16 | ? |
| 08:22.46 | system16 | fg [1]+ |
| 08:22.58 | gnarface | fg |
| 08:23.00 | system16 | is it wrong / |
| 08:23.20 | gnarface | yes |
| 08:23.24 | rrq | is longing for a bash 101 channel elsewhere |
| 08:23.39 | system16 | fg: current :no such job |
| 08:24.04 | gnarface | there IS a bash channel |
| 08:24.26 | gnarface | system16: the man page says: fg %1 |
| 08:24.36 | gnarface | change 1 with the actual job number |
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| 08:24.59 | system16 | which idk whats the job number |
| 08:25.19 | system16 | is it important for sftp/ssh ? |
| 08:25.35 | system16 | should i care aabout it? |
| 08:25.54 | system16 | will it turn back on when i restart my netbook? |
| 08:26.57 | system16 | rrq : hey i didnt want to do this i thought suspend puts the server into sleep |
| 08:26.58 | gnarface | the default should be the last you backgrounded, i don't know why it didn't work. as far as i know the fact it didn't work is the only reason you should be worried about it, but the odds here are pointing to user error. since it was your "su" command, i assume from your login shell to root, it should disappear after you restart, until you log in and run "su" again. |
| 08:27.26 | system16 | su root |
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| 08:27.46 | system16 | i installed the minimal version ( 600-700 mb) |
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| 08:29.33 | gnarface | i'm not sure if the minimal version is dash or bash |
| 08:29.50 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.20 | system16 | ok? |
| 08:30.24 | telst4r | sh: 0: Illegal option - |
| 08:30.36 | telst4r | /bin/bash |
| 08:30.42 | system16 | nothing happened |
| 08:30.56 | system16 | telst4r, whats [1]+ ? |
| 08:31.45 | telst4r | sh: 1: [1]+: not found |
| 08:32.21 | system16 | telst4r, what r u saying? |
| 08:33.21 | system16 | ? |
| 08:33.23 | telst4r | nothing. |
| 08:33.45 | system16 | i dont care what is [1]+ i just want it running |
| 08:33.50 | gnarface | try this, system16: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 08:34.09 | gnarface | actually, this: ls -l -F /bin/sh |
| 08:34.50 | system16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.35 | system16 | oh and the first one is :lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 8 2014 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 08:37.03 | gnarface | there you go |
| 08:37.12 | gnarface | looks like you're probably using dash instead |
| 08:37.19 | gnarface | it was probably chosen because it's faster |
| 08:37.26 | system16 | yes |
| 08:37.33 | system16 | my netbook is ...bad |
| 08:37.38 | gnarface | so you'll have to read the dash manpage instead of the bash manpage |
| 08:37.50 | gnarface | i've told you as much as i know about dash already here |
| 08:37.53 | system16 | how? |
| 08:38.00 | gnarface | "man dash" |
| 08:38.02 | gnarface | (q to quit) |
| 08:38.32 | system16 | its a manual |
| 08:38.42 | gnarface | all manual pages can be accessed with the command man |
| 08:40.04 | system16 | :( i just want that [1]+ thing to run again |
| 08:41.21 | KatolaZ | system16: on de??an systems dash is the default sh |
| 08:41.27 | KatolaZ | and rightfully so |
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| 08:43.05 | system16 | sh [1]+ ? |
| 08:43.53 | KatolaZ | system16: uh? |
| 08:44.26 | system16 | KatolaZ, i want that [1]+ thing running again i think its important |
| 08:45.18 | KatolaZ | what is [1]+? |
| 08:45.33 | system16 | i typed suspend |
| 08:45.34 | KatolaZ | ffs |
| 08:45.39 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 08:45.41 | KatolaZ | fg 1 |
| 08:45.45 | system16 | and the answer : |
| 08:45.51 | KatolaZ | fg 1 |
| 08:46.02 | system16 | [1]+ stopped su root |
| 08:46.13 | KatolaZ | system16: fg 1 |
| 08:46.39 | system16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.45 | rrq | fg %1 |
| 08:46.46 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 08:47.04 | system16 | no such a job |
| 08:47.09 | KatolaZ | system16: what do you get if you run "jobs"? |
| 08:47.29 | system16 | jobs ? |
| 08:47.32 | KatolaZ | yes |
| 08:47.33 | system16 | nothing |
| 08:47.43 | KatolaZ | so what do you want to resume with "fg"? |
| 08:47.50 | system16 | root@devuan:/home/test111# jobs |
| 08:48.03 | system16 | root@devuan:/home/test111# |
| 08:48.10 | KatolaZ | you have no background jobs then |
| 08:48.30 | gnarface | well he said the command was "su root" |
| 08:48.47 | gnarface | so if the response to "fg 1" was nothing, then i would expect it worked |
| 08:48.51 | gnarface | this prompt here says you're root |
| 08:49.01 | system16 | ys i am |
| 08:49.28 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 08:49.46 | system16 | im root what wrong with it? |
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| 08:51.09 | KatolaZ | that you are root and you don't know how to fg/bg a job, maybe ;) |
| 08:51.30 | KatolaZ | system16: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:51.48 | system16 | turn in that goddamn [1]+ |
| 08:51.55 | system16 | turn on * |
| 08:52.11 | KatolaZ | where is the [1]+???? |
| 08:52.22 | system16 | idk |
| 08:52.31 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 08:53.22 | system16 | root@devuan:/home/test111# suspend |
| 08:53.35 | system16 | [1]+ Stopped su root |
| 08:54.20 | system16 | root@devuan:/home/test111# suspend |
| 08:54.29 | system16 | [2]+ Stopped su root |
| 08:54.33 | system16 | ^^ is new |
| 08:54.40 | KatolaZ | jobs |
| 08:54.55 | KatolaZ | (btw, what is 'suspend'???) |
| 08:55.05 | system16 | [1]- Stopped su root |
| 08:55.06 | system16 | [2]+ Stopped su root |
| 08:55.09 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 08:55.10 | KatolaZ | ffs |
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| 08:55.19 | KatolaZ | if you want to resume the first one, just |
| 08:55.21 | KatolaZ | fg 1 |
| 08:55.36 | system16 | ok next one ? |
| 08:56.12 | KatolaZ | jobs |
| 08:56.33 | gnarface | why do i feel like we're teaching skynet job control? |
| 08:56.46 | system16 | looks like i cant do i it |
| 08:56.48 | system16 | nvm |
| 08:56.53 | system16 | im restarting |
| 08:57.12 | KatolaZ | https://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/unix-linux-job-control-command-examples-for-bash-ksh-shell/ |
| 08:57.42 | gnarface | i still can't tell if there's actually a dash bug or if it's working fine and he is just getting confused by the fact that silence in shell commands traditionally means "no error" |
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| 08:58.55 | KatolaZ | gnarface: I don't even know what they are trying to achieve |
| 08:59.50 | gnarface | as i gather it, he's literally just logged in, su to root backgrounded it, and can't figure out how to get it back, |
| 08:59.52 | system16 | ok i think that job is running |
| 08:59.53 | gnarface | followed by panic |
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| 13:04.40 | AntoFox | today update my repo, there may be some disservice |
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| 13:26.14 | Hum | I made a reportbug-by-mail.html that contains a mailto:submit@bugs.devuan.org?subject=describe problem here&body=package=(insert package name here)%0Aversion=(insert ... |
| 13:26.35 | Hum | like the short one in https://bugs.devuan.org/Reporting.html |
| 13:26.57 | Hum | I can't write to my own wiki page in devuan |
| 13:27.32 | Hum | I could s/devuan/debian/g and write it to the debian wiki |
| 13:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan infra is <Centurion-Dan> documentation of the infrastructure is in https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/infrastructure_doc and it's mostly complete apart from no detail on dak and how we use that.... I'll get that done soon... |
| 13:33.19 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 14:00.31 | Hum | I posted the long mail link to https://wiki.debian.org/JensKorte/reportbug-by-mail (debian version) |
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| 14:07.03 | golinux | Unreadable with %20 between every word |
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| 14:26.49 | Hum | golinux: I tried to make a more humanreadable version, but wiki syntax doesn't allow to make it nice. The linktext in [[mailto:...|Linktext]] must not have newlines. |
| 14:27.28 | Hum | at the end of the page is a ugly human-readable version |
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| 14:29.38 | golinux | Ah, just the instructions. |
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| 16:50.01 | EHeM | Hrmm, Debian keeps choosing a different LTS kernel from everyone else. :-( |
| 16:50.49 | EHeM | Debian went for 3.16 when everyone else went for 3.18, now Debian is going for 4.9 while my handy comparison (OpenWRT) is at 4.4. |
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| 17:48.12 | Hum | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.57 | Hum | the order version, date would be better next time |
| 17:49.10 | Hum | EHeM: ^^^ |
| 17:51.11 | Hum | Debian seems to choose extra longlife kernel, suitable for releases that get oldoldstable (or even stale ;) |
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| 18:19.29 | hwpplayer1 | Hi people |
| 18:20.18 | hwpplayer1 | Who is responsible for documentation here , like articles |
| 18:20.28 | djph | we have documentation? |
| 18:20.45 | hwpplayer1 | We have lots of Debian documentation in my opinion |
| 18:21.06 | hwpplayer1 | I can host articles for you |
| 18:21.40 | djph | why bother having "someone else" host docs, what with the devuan site and all ... |
| 18:21.54 | hwpplayer1 | I mean like newspaper |
| 18:22.13 | hwpplayer1 | like omgubuntu etc |
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| 18:36.03 | djph | have at it if you watn ... but that's not "documentation" |
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| 19:23.09 | math_man | If Jessie is equivalent to Debian Jessie+1, why is Jessie+1 referred to as stretch, and why are some of the Devuan packages pre-Debian Jessie? |
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| 19:23.52 | math_man | For example, I am trying to interact with my iPhone, and Devuan Jessie uses imobiledevice4 while Debian Jessie+1 uses libimobiledevice6 |
| 19:23.53 | blap | hello |
| 19:23.56 | math_man | Hi |
| 19:24.06 | math_man | And I can't find a backport anywhere |
| 19:24.15 | blap | is there something like sid/unstable for devuan? |
| 19:24.23 | math_man | Yes |
| 19:24.56 | math_man | It's called "ceres" |
| 19:25.35 | blap | df |
| 19:25.40 | blap | ooops |
| 19:26.15 | blap | i read it is possible to convert a debian system to devuan, is this currently supported? |
| 19:26.44 | golinux | math_man: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:26.49 | math_man | That is beyond my knowledge. Better check Yahoo |
| 19:27.17 | golinux | blap: Only wheezy and jessie can be upgraded to devuan |
| 19:27.19 | math_man | Yea I can't find it in the backports |
| 19:27.41 | math_man | where can I see a full list of available packages in backports? |
| 19:28.35 | Walex | blap: if you *really* know what you are doing 'stretch' should also be upgradeable, but it is hairy because means replacing 'systemd'-infected packages with non-infected ones, and the infection is pervasive. |
| 19:29.26 | blap | thank you, i will start with devuan in a vm and make it install to a free partition |
| 19:29.54 | math_man | there's this: |
| 19:29.55 | math_man | https://devuan.org/os/packages/ |
| 19:30.03 | math_man | But almost everything is missing there |
| 19:30.32 | math_man | Does Devuan have a database like Debian where they list the package and which repo it's available in? |
| 19:30.53 | golinux | Packages are in this unofficaial site but probably doesn't include backports: http://devuanpackages.viralds.it/releases |
| 19:31.29 | math_man | there we go thanks |
| 19:33.28 | math_man | there we go, Ceres has libimobiledevice6 |
| 19:33.31 | math_man | http://devuanpackages.viralds.it/ceres/package/libimobiledevice6 |
| 19:35.58 | math_man | this is odd |
| 19:36.04 | math_man | IT shows ASCII as having it too |
| 19:36.05 | math_man | http://devuanpackages.viralds.it/ascii/package/libimobiledevice6 |
| 19:36.16 | math_man | But I upgraded to ASCII yesterday and it did not |
| 19:36.38 | math_man | which is when I bailed to Kubuntu 17.10 (which really *is* unstable) |
| 19:36.48 | golinux | Did you dist-upgrade? |
| 19:36.51 | math_man | yes |
| 19:36.58 | math_man | look at the chat logs here |
| 19:37.11 | math_man | Should I try again? |
| 19:37.18 | golinux | looks at all the chat logs |
| 19:37.27 | math_man | (also the menu spacing was messed up after moving to ASCII...) |
| 19:37.41 | math_man | lol |
| 19:37.52 | golinux | That's probably a gtk3 thing |
| 19:38.19 | math_man | how would you recommend I do it? Just change /etc/apt/sources, run update, then upgrade, then dist-upgrade? |
| 19:38.21 | golinux | Welcome to gnome's world |
| 19:38.30 | math_man | xfce is gnome derivative? |
| 19:38.43 | math_man | (gnome noob here, used to KDE) |
| 19:38.45 | golinux | It's moveing to gtk3 which is from gnome |
| 19:39.01 | math_man | ASCII will move to gnome? |
| 19:39.10 | golinux | No Xfce |
| 19:39.27 | math_man | understood, they haven't ironed out the glitch yet |
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| 19:39.47 | math_man | Let me propose an idea to you: |
| 19:39.53 | math_man | (tell me if it's worth a shot) |
| 19:40.00 | golinux | Let me give you a link: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ |
| 19:40.25 | math_man | What do you think about a fresh install of Jessie without any GUI, and then run the dist-upgrade from pure shell? |
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| 19:41.08 | golinux | That's one way to do it but a lo0t of work. |
| 19:41.21 | bluemarlin | evenin |
| 19:41.21 | math_man | what do you recommend? |
| 19:41.33 | math_man | 'ello 'ello 'ello |
| 19:41.37 | Walex | math_man: to a very large extent 'wheezy' and 'jessie' are Devuan distros, of course 'wheezy' more than 'jessie' |
| 19:41.53 | math_man | right |
| 19:42.28 | Walex | math_man: but what's the point of installing Debian 'wheezy' and then upgrading it to Devuan 'jessie'? |
| 19:42.39 | Walex | math_man: but what's the point of installing Debian 'jessie' and then upgrading it to Devuan 'jessie'? |
| 19:42.53 | math_man | huh? |
| 19:43.05 | math_man | I think there has been a misunderstanding |
| 19:43.11 | math_man | that was someone else asking about that |
| 19:43.32 | math_man | this has purely to do with proerly upgrading from Jessie (devuan) to ASCII |
| 19:43.54 | Walex | Ahhh you were referring to Debuan 'jessie' to start with. |
| 19:44.03 | math_man | yes sir :-) |
| 19:44.08 | Walex | Ahhh you were referring to Debian 'jessie' to start with. |
| 19:44.25 | math_man | do either of you have ASCII installed? Can you please do an apt-cache search libimobiledevice6 and see if it shows? |
| 19:45.05 | golinux | I'm on stable |
| 19:45.26 | Walex | math_man: well, upgrade-in-place is always an option, but as "golinux" said it is going to be slow, like all in-place upgrades. |
| 19:45.59 | Walex | math_man: what about doing a personal backport from the source '.deb' for 'libimobiledevice6'? |
| 19:46.48 | math_man | been there, too many dependencies |
| 19:48.06 | Walex | math_man: do you know about pinning? |
| 19:48.20 | Walex | math_man: or '-t <archive>' in APT? |
| 19:48.33 | math_man | yes |
| 19:48.49 | Walex | math_man: then use them! :-) |
| 19:48.53 | Walex | math_man: that is: |
| 19:49.04 | math_man | apt-get install -t jessie-backports? |
| 19:49.20 | math_man | ah add an ascii repo and use that |
| 19:49.25 | Walex | math_man: add the ASCII sources, 'jessie-backports', pin them lower |
| 19:49.50 | Walex | math_man: add the ASCII sources, 'jessie-backports', pin them lower than 'jessie' and then use 'apt-cache policy' or the explorer in Aptitude to investigate your options |
| 19:50.27 | Walex | math_man: on my site IIRC I have very nice example (quite old, but the idea is the same) |
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| 19:50.58 | Walex | math_man: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/APT/ |
| 19:51.52 | math_man | Thanks very much I will copy your message to view later |
| 19:51.57 | math_man | right now I have a customer bugging me |
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| 19:52.11 | math_man | thanks and bye for now |
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| 20:13.23 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello. I'd need some help in building a package. I want to say immediately that I'm very confused about what's happening in my system, so I apologise if I will be unclear in my question. |
| 20:16.44 | Enrico_Menotti | The package is dbus-cpp. I have taken the source from Ubuntu (from Bazaar: bzr branch lp:dbus-cpp). Then tried to invoke debuild -us -uc -b. The thing requires other two packages which are not available in Debian/Devuan, namely: properties-cpp and process-cpp. I also took them from Ubuntu and built and installed them successfully. |
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| 20:18.04 | golinux | Enrico_Menotti: Have you seen this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 |
| 20:24.05 | Enrico_Menotti | Now I was on Devuan Jessie; so I had the corresponding build-essential version (and gcc, g++, etc.). With that build system, all went fine. Later on, I was trying to build another project, relying on dbus-cpp, and I needed to upgrade some other package (libboost). So I enabled the ascii distribution and upgraded that package. That led me to re-build properties-cpp and process-cpp. Still difficulties, so I tried to |
| 20:24.05 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.38 | Enrico_Menotti | golinux I have had a look at that, thanks. Will take the time to read carefully. But may that solve my issue? |
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| 20:28.30 | Enrico_Menotti | I am unable at present to be more precise about what is happening here. Any suggestion, at least on what to do to begin investigating, would be much appreciated. |
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| 20:44.47 | mathman | Hi Walex |
| 20:44.54 | mathman | Ok time to experiment with your method |
| 20:45.35 | mathman | ok so just add ascii at the bottom, right? |
| 20:48.59 | Enrico_Menotti | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25529896/. If anybody could have a look there... |
| 20:51.13 | mathman | deb-src http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main non-free contrib |
| 20:52.27 | mathman | sudo apt-get -t ascii install libimobiledevice6 |
| 20:52.37 | mathman | The value 'ascii' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 20:53.07 | Enrico_Menotti | mathman apt-get update? |
| 20:53.11 | mathman | yup |
| 20:53.13 | mathman | done thqat |
| 20:53.15 | mathman | *that |
| 20:53.42 | mathman | and it did download some ascii stuff during the update |
| 20:54.15 | Enrico_Menotti | apt-cache policy libimobiledevice6? |
| 20:54.59 | mathman | unable to locate package |
| 20:56.15 | mathman | http://devuanpackages.viralds.it/ascii/package/libimobiledevice6 |
| 20:56.24 | mathman | It should be there |
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| 21:01.55 | mathman | but apt-cache -t ascii also gives the same response |
| 21:01.56 | mathman | hmmm |
| 21:02.15 | mathman | ah there we go |
| 21:02.23 | mathman | I used deb-src in the sources.list instead of deb |
| 21:05.54 | mathman | there we go |
| 21:05.58 | mathman | better remove the old stuff first |
| 21:09.13 | mathman | looks good |
| 21:09.15 | mathman | time to reboot |
| 21:09.19 | mathman | thanks for the help again. Bye |
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| 21:32.56 | mathman | It works! |
| 21:32.59 | mathman | Thanks again everyone |
| 21:33.41 | mathman | Especially Walex |
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| 22:43.27 | tofu_ | Hey, a strange problem. Umm.. How to get copy paste working from the xfce terminal? I don't have a middle button. I have tried to enable emulation thougth xorg.conf, but it seems not to have taken effect. Anyone have a tip? |
| 22:43.33 | tofu_ | I have a fresh install |
| 22:43.52 | Xenguy | Shift-Insert may work |
| 22:44.10 | golinux | ctrl C ctrl V? |
| 22:44.29 | tofu_ | Xenguy: that is a go |
| 22:44.38 | Xenguy | glad to hear it |
| 22:44.53 | tofu_ | golinux: that is a nogo , ^c cancels things in a terminal |
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| 22:46.18 | golinux | LOL! Yeah, I don't go there often. You can also do paste from the 'edit' option in the menu bar. |
| 22:46.28 | tofu_ | But is it not a strange function to be missing? rightclick in a terminal? |
| 22:46.44 | Lieke | ctrl+shift+c / ctrl+shift+v |
| 22:47.12 | golinux | I just pasted with a right click |
| 22:47.34 | tofu_ | Lieke: that works as well, I kinda knew those shortcuts |
| 22:47.55 | tofu_ | I was just a bit supprised the right click did not work. |
| 22:48.10 | golinux | It worked here |
| 22:48.27 | tofu_ | in xfce-terminal? |
| 22:49.34 | gnarface | tofu_: 3-button emulation in xorg should work. that's how all of us have always done it all along. the right way to fix this issue is to revisit that xorg.conf setting, figure out why it didn't work. |
| 22:50.10 | gnarface | tofu_: (consider the possibility of user error; double check your work, read the xorg log file for evidence of failure) |
| 22:50.25 | tofu_ | gnarface: sure. Will do. |
| 22:51.42 | gnarface | tofu_: so we're clear here, i don't really know how much you know. do you know, for example, that this type of "copy/paste" copies implicitly on highlight of text, and the middle-mouse-click pastes whatever is currently highlighted? (there's no "copy" command, per-se other than that) |
| 22:52.36 | gnarface | if the problem is a typo in your xorg.conf though, i would expect some complaint about it in the xorg log |
| 22:53.27 | gnarface | the only other likely possibility is some other tool or config conflicting with it |
| 22:54.03 | golinux | tofu_: Yes in xfce-terminal? |
| 22:54.07 | gnarface | i've heard of 2-button mice that don't work with the 3-button emulation but in 20 years never seen one |
| 22:54.42 | Xenguy | I thought I used to click a 2-button mouse, both buttons at the same time, to emulate a 'middle-click' ? |
| 22:55.18 | Xenguy | (Once upon a very long time) |
| 22:55.19 | fsmithred | Xenguy, that still works |
| 22:55.25 | gnarface | Xenguy: yes, that's correct, but it has to be enabled at the xorg.conf (and i don't know if the default is on or off these days, but i thought they changed it to off a few years ago) |
| 22:55.35 | greenjeans | works in lxterminal and mate terminal |
| 22:55.37 | Xenguy | aha |
| 22:55.40 | fsmithred | sometimes |
| 22:55.49 | greenjeans | copy/paste |
| 22:56.09 | gnarface | Option "ChordMiddle" "boolean" |
| 22:56.10 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.16 | gnarface | (ftp://www.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.0/doc/mouse.4.html) |
| 22:56.25 | gnarface | ymmv if not using the "mouse" driver |
| 22:56.45 | gnarface | oh wait, that's not it |
| 22:56.47 | gnarface | it's this one: |
| 22:56.52 | gnarface | Option "Emulate3Buttons" "boolean" |
| 22:56.52 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.01 | tofu_ | But does xfce-terminal have a menu options on right click? |
| 22:57.17 | fsmithred | yes, tofu. It should be there. |
| 22:57.26 | greenjeans | try lxterminal, it's very nice ;) |
| 22:57.27 | gnarface | tofu_: that i don't know off the top of my head. if it does, it MAY have it's own clipboard builtin, like firefox |
| 22:57.29 | fsmithred | does right-click work other places? |
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| 22:57.58 | gnarface | tofu_: "ctrl-c/ctrl-v" also will work - in firefox and other gtk apps that map it. the 3button emulation is a lower level X thing |
| 22:57.58 | tofu_ | fsmithred: not in chrome |
| 22:58.10 | fsmithred | is mouse broken/dying? |
| 22:58.27 | gnarface | other option, are the switches just weak? |
| 22:58.32 | gnarface | i note this option from that manpage too: |
| 22:58.34 | gnarface | Option "Emulate3Timeout" "integer" |
| 22:58.35 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.39 | fsmithred | if xfce desktop, then right-click on desktop should give you a menu |
| 22:58.42 | tofu_ | fsmithred: Maybe.. Its a used computer I mooched of work. |
| 22:58.46 | gnarface | - 50ms might be a bit tight tolerance for some people |
| 22:59.03 | greenjeans | lol, mouse not working right in xfce is....ironic |
| 22:59.04 | gnarface | or if the mouse buttons are weak |
| 22:59.15 | fsmithred | lol |
| 22:59.48 | gnarface | tofu_: you can use xev to see if clicks are being registered, to eliminate the possibility of physical switch failure in the mouse |
| 23:00.09 | fsmithred | dirt? |
| 23:00.14 | tofu_ | gnarface: yes, good one |
| 23:00.29 | fsmithred | my mouse sometimes won't track properly until I give it a blowjob. |
| 23:00.43 | tofu_ | gnarface: jupp... Button is b0rked |
| 23:00.50 | tofu_ | *sight* |
| 23:01.04 | gnarface | bummer. sorry to hear that tofu_, but at least that saves you some time. this is definitely in the range of problems people usually *don't* have with working hardware |
| 23:01.35 | tofu_ | Oh well.. I have the keyboard shortcuts. Or can I hack the left one to work as right by a shortcut ? :p |
| 23:01.56 | gnarface | uh, you can alter the xorg.conf to remap the buttons, yea |
| 23:02.01 | greenjeans | mebbe xdotool? |
| 23:02.03 | gnarface | there might be userland tools to do it too |
| 23:02.09 | greenjeans | if you just gotta use that mouse |
| 23:02.51 | gnarface | tofu_: personally, if you got nothing but time and a screwdriver and a dead mouse, i'd suggest trying to take it apart to clean the switch. maybe it's just some caved-in piezo thing you can abuse back into working order then reassemble |
| 23:03.01 | tofu_ | Its just a laptop, which I what to use for wiresharking in the field, so it would be nice not to be dependant on a mouse. Maybe I can map the touchpad to be right button |
| 23:03.24 | gnarface | oh, that's pretty likely actually. some of them may be mapped already to that |
| 23:03.42 | gnarface | some devices have two-finger and three-finger tap enabled in hardware by default |
| 23:04.09 | gnarface | i think for many others you can enable it with the synaptic touchpad driver |
| 23:04.29 | greenjeans | so it's the button on your laptop that's broken, not an external mouse? |
| 23:05.44 | tofu_ | greenjeans: yeah, the laptop button it seems |
| 23:06.07 | tofu_ | I managed to l00t an Latitude E6230 |
| 23:07.00 | tofu_ | Hmm.. double finger scroll works |
| 23:07.01 | greenjeans | yeah, I agree with gnarface then, it's worth taking apart, that's a really simple switch, sometimes it's just a little corrosion on the contacts, and a pencil eraser will fix that |
| 23:08.11 | gnarface | if double-finger scroll works, double-finger tap might also |
| 23:08.43 | greenjeans | Question for all: Even if you don't use such yourself, do you feel a video-editing app is important enough to most end-users for it to be included as a default app in a linux distro? |
| 23:08.49 | gnarface | though i think that would be middle-click and three-finger tap would be right-click, or do i have those confused? well, either way, the "emulate3buttons" setting will probably sabotage that, so turn it off |
| 23:09.37 | gnarface | greenjeans: it depends on which one, i think |
| 23:10.20 | gnarface | but i'm not sure i'm qualified to pick, because i'd pick ffmpeg |
| 23:10.28 | tofu_ | Maybe I should turn of that emulation , as of yet, only double finger scroll seems to generate an event |
| 23:10.44 | greenjeans | I was thinking of adding Openshot....I don't do vids/youtube myself, but obviously a lot of folks do |
| 23:10.45 | gnarface | tofu_: three-finger tap doesn't work either? |
| 23:10.57 | gnarface | tofu_: three-finger tap may take some practice to actually do |
| 23:11.02 | Xenguy | gives the 1-finger salute ;P ... |
| 23:11.22 | Xenguy | (Just for fun, mind you) |
| 23:11.41 | tofu_ | Xenguy: =D |
| 23:13.44 | tofu_ | Nah, tried on two different latitudes , seems to only accept scroll events |
| 23:13.52 | tofu_ | maybe there is a bios setting |
| 23:14.17 | gnarface | it might just need a different input driver |
| 23:14.33 | gnarface | or a different config setting in xorg for the one it's using |
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| 23:14.59 | tofu_ | gnarface: aha. I now use the devuan default |
| 23:17.47 | fsmithred | greenjeans, the only one I've ever used was avidemux |
| 23:18.14 | fsmithred | tried another (kde something) but couldn't really use it |
| 23:18.48 | fsmithred | talk to golinux about video editing |
| 23:19.02 | greenjeans | I tried openshot and it seems pretty nice...oh, just remembered, Miyo uses for videos, I need to ask him how he likes it |
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| 23:22.10 | tofu_ | anyways thx for the help. |
| 23:23.10 | tofu_ | https://superuser.com/questions/336674/emulating-mouse-click-with-a-keyboard , found this one. gonna try it tomorrow. |
| 23:23.29 | greenjeans | xdotool |
| 23:23.50 | greenjeans | simulates whatever keypress you like |
| 23:24.20 | gnarface | tofu_: that should work, though for some window managers (e17 at least) xmodmap bindings get unset every time you start up, just fyi |
| 23:24.44 | gnarface | tofu_: (though e17 has built-in tools for mouse/keyboard mappings) |
| 23:25.04 | tofu_ | gnarface: good to know, I'm using xfce , just becuase its devuan default |
| 23:25.25 | gnarface | tofu_: yea, somewhat ironically i have just about no experience with it |
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| 23:26.01 | tofu_ | but i will try out e17 on my other computer. How does it compare to mate? |
| 23:26.26 | gnarface | lots more customization, i'm guessing, but i don't know much about mate either. that's a GNOME fork? |
| 23:26.36 | tofu_ | yeah, gnome2 fork |
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| 23:27.44 | tofu_ | my prefed setup was gnome2 with xmonad |
| 23:28.00 | tofu_ | but gnome people went mad, so I changed to mate |
| 23:29.12 | fsmithred | I haven't used e17 since lenny, and it was amazingly low on resources. I would say it's nothing like mate. |
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| 23:30.19 | tofu_ | fsmithred: yeah, I have heard good things about it |
| 23:30.44 | fsmithred | I didn't like the look, but I was impressed with how much it could do. |
| 23:31.14 | fsmithred | I even pulled ram out of the computer to see what I could do on 64MB. |
| 23:31.36 | tofu_ | hehe.. Did it blend? |
| 23:31.40 | fsmithred | file manager, text editor and terminal all worked fine |
| 23:31.50 | justinsm | I ran it for about 2 weeks last year on ascii. |
| 23:32.02 | justinsm | extremely quirky |
| 23:32.14 | tofu_ | Cool, yeah. For embedded stuff that would be nice |
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| 23:32.30 | tofu_ | But even the small stuff got memory now days |
| 23:32.42 | tofu_ | ie, RPI |
| 23:33.09 | blap | i didn't know a modern x86 kernel could live in 64MB |
| 23:33.54 | gnarface | barely, but yes, with virtual memory |
| 23:34.40 | fsmithred | greenjeans, I did try openshot back in 2011, and that's the one I couldn't figure out. |
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