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| 12:57.44 | elix21 | hi,how to set up a firewall??? |
| 12:58.10 | shwsh | iptables |
| 12:59.34 | elix21 | how?terminal? |
| 13:00.01 | shwsh | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo |
| 13:00.07 | shwsh | man iptables |
| 13:00.13 | shwsh | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/iptables |
| 13:00.29 | shwsh | just google iptables rules |
| 13:00.54 | telst4r | iptables -P OUTPUT DROP |
| 13:01.07 | telst4r | >;) |
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| 13:02.33 | elix21 | thanks!!! |
| 13:02.49 | fsmithred | there are front-ends that are easier |
| 13:03.05 | fsmithred | shorewall, arno-iptables-firewall, um guarddog? |
| 13:04.08 | fsmithred | firehol, fwbuilder |
| 13:04.37 | shwsh | give a man a gui, he'll learn how to terminal |
| 13:04.41 | shwsh | teach a man a gui, he'll regret his entire sysadmin life |
| 13:04.47 | fsmithred | lol |
| 13:05.51 | telst4r | I once tried gufw. It worked well, but then I did iptables -L -n -v. |
| 13:05.54 | telst4r | what a mess. |
| 13:06.13 | fsmithred | lotta complicated rules? |
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| 13:06.59 | telst4r | yep. it was a haystack of jumps all over the place. |
| 13:08.47 | fsmithred | I liked susefirewall - it had a well-commented config file. |
| 13:09.11 | telst4r | why would anybody jump through three different chains just to allow a port in local network.. :P |
| 13:10.23 | fsmithred | no clue, and I don't understand iptables well enough to come up with a guess |
| 13:10.30 | KatolaZ | telst4r: just to allow you to use iptables with a gui |
| 13:10.48 | KatolaZ | otherwise it would be very hard to provide a sensible GUI |
| 13:10.51 | KatolaZ | :) |
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| 14:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | telst4r: please don't!!! |
| 14:13.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | giving dangerous adbise is a sure bet for a kick or ban |
| 14:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | advice* |
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| 14:49.22 | elias_ | how to install flashplayer? |
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| 14:52.14 | shwsh | why would you install flashplayer when it's all gonna be ded by 2020 |
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| 14:56.02 | elias_ | I like DEb.how to install pepper? |
| 14:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | shwsh: I wish it was that simple. Alas there are many routers, UPS, whatnot else that use flash in their embedded HTML web GUI |
| 14:59.41 | shwsh | wait wut |
| 14:59.50 | shwsh | that's a thing?! |
| 15:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are highly unlikely to run new rogue attacks against your browser, but they need flashplayer |
| 15:00.28 | elias_ | What to do to be able to watch video on dailymotion for examle in devuan? |
| 15:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's more and more a problem when no browser offer flash support anymore |
| 15:02.38 | elias_ | Yes I agree with you |
| 15:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, I forgot IP-cams |
| 15:04.59 | elias_ | Thanks anyway |
| 15:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a nasty example I got an UPS that seems to only work with PowerView, and PowerView needs flashplayer to display any meaningful process graphics |
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| 15:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.power-software-download.com/viewpower.html |
| 15:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ARGH ViewPower is the name |
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| 15:20.47 | jooles | Hi all. I just tried to upgrade from Jessie to ascii and now slim just shows a grey screen with no cursor or anything. Can't see any errors in the slim or xorg logs. Does anyone know what might have gone wrong? |
| 15:23.11 | fromport | is using lxde with lightdm , like you upgraded to ascii and currently to planet1 and didn't encounter that particular problem. |
| 15:26.03 | jooles | fromport: what I find most interesting is I've had the same issue on a gentoo machine with slim. On that one I switched to entrance. I'll try switching to lightdm then. |
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| 15:26.53 | fromport | if you PURGE slim, and then add it again, you might 'get signal' in case something screwed up during the upgrade ;-) |
| 15:26.56 | fromport | try that first |
| 15:30.20 | jooles | I will, thanks :) |
| 15:31.07 | KatolaZ | jooles: I would probably try to purge your local ~/.slim folder |
| 15:31.11 | KatolaZ | (or whatever it is called) |
| 15:31.17 | KatolaZ | just move it somewhere else |
| 15:31.23 | KatolaZ | and try to login again |
| 15:31.39 | jooles | Would that have an effect before login? |
| 15:31.45 | KatolaZ | oh no |
| 15:31.47 | KatolaZ | surely not |
| 15:31.52 | KatolaZ | :) |
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| 15:33.19 | jooles | It's just one of those days I think. My main laptop is unusable for coding as the fan is dying and it's overheating so I've spent the day throwing together a backup on an old ex-XP laptop |
| 15:38.57 | fromport | or you could open the laptop, clean the fan, put some oil on the spindle, order a new one through ebay for next weeks project ;-) |
| 15:42.04 | jooles | Tried cleaning it already and my supervisor is sourcing a replacement. Not sure if I can get to the fan spindle though. Need tiny tiny screwdrivers to open up the fan assembly |
| 15:45.25 | fromport | most of the time it is just pushed on a spindle |
| 15:46.05 | Hum | jooles: If you can set the CPU frequency, you can maybe get along with passiv cooling |
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| 15:51.11 | furrywolf | jooles: http://fw.bushytails.net/crappylaptopcooler01.jpg you need to do that. :) |
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| 15:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | shellscripting classes for advanced users: http://www.power-software-download.com/viewpower.html http://paste.ubuntu.com/25490773 |
| 16:04.27 | furrywolf | ... I am not going to click a link to a url like "power-software-download.com". that may be about as spammy as you can get. |
| 16:05.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not really, but you don't need it, I extracted and pastebinnned the interesting part of the 134MB download in 2nd link |
| 16:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | from installViewPower_Linux_x86_64.tar.gz |
| 16:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is bad enough even without being spammy |
| 16:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's JAVA and needs Flashplayer |
| 16:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | not recommended |
| 16:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | the installer however is worth a look -- InstallAnywhere (tm) UNIX Self Extractor Version 10.0 (c) Copyright 1997-2008 Acresso Software Inc. and/or InstallShield Co. Inc., all rights reserved. |
| 16:09.58 | furrywolf | a major commercial corporation |
| 16:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "how to write a shellscript that's supposed to run on anything that has a shell" |
| 16:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | "only" 2449 LOC |
| 16:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | literally every single `cd` is wraped into a if then else cascade, to cover special cases |
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| 16:20.10 | MinceR | ooh, installshield on unix |
| 16:20.19 | MinceR | in case someone missed that train wreck |
| 16:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | stuff like # -- if it's a relative path, make it absolute;; if pwd -P 2>&1 > /dev/null; then PWD="pwd -P" else PWD="pwd" fi |
| 16:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ARGZERO=$0 if [ -z "`echo $ARGZERO | grep '^/'`" ]; then ARGZERO="`$PWD`/$ARGZERO" fi |
| 16:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | 'awesome'¡ |
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| 19:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | generic question: which filesystem to use for a 2TB HDD RAID1. btrfs sucks performance-wise. is XFS under LVM a reasonable approach? particularly for snapshots |
| 19:50.53 | phogg | All of my filesystem choices these days are ext and xfs, for whatever that's worth. Two tebibytes is not very large so it should not be a problem for any modern fs. |
| 19:51.12 | MinceR | dunno, i'd use ext4 since it's reasonably mature (with nodelalloc, though) |
| 19:52.30 | fromport | imo lvm & xfs is a great combo |
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| 20:08.05 | Lydia_K | I don't trust xfs, I've had really bad experiences with it, doesn't seem to handle unclean mounts very well. |
| 20:09.13 | Lydia_K | But that's just like, my opinion man. |
| 20:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | fromport: thaought the same :-) |
| 20:09.31 | Lydia_K | And to be fair, that was a long time ago now. |
| 20:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure though, never touched xfs so far |
| 20:10.05 | Lydia_K | Oh, but god damn, the experience I had with BTRFS was horrible too |
| 20:10.05 | fromport | the ISP i used to work with used it on all servers as a standard. In all the years I worked there, really _never_ had a problem and we had 100+ servers |
| 20:10.25 | Lydia_K | performance was crap. I think the design is good, but it's got a long way to go before it's mature enough for real usage. |
| 20:10.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lydia_K: yes, that seems to be a known issue, fixed since 3.3 |
| 20:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | btrfs sucks for me, freezes system for 10s while [btrfs_transacti] is busy |
| 20:11.52 | fromport | my debian desktop had BTRFS,<knock wood> in 2 years never a problem, even though I had some sudden death regarding unstable kernels. No i switched to devuan, i chose XFS again ;-) |
| 20:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | found dusty old https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1169535 |
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| 20:13.08 | devnob | Hi friends! |
| 20:13.31 | devnob | I am system-d free, dbus free, and hiv free :) |
| 20:13.40 | MinceR | nice |
| 20:13.45 | fromport | friend free as well ? |
| 20:13.57 | devnob | probably :/ |
| 20:13.59 | devnob | lol |
| 20:14.21 | devnob | I guess that's mission accomplished in gnu/linux land |
| 20:14.28 | phogg | Lydia_K: XFS has matured quite a lot in the last decade. I had a similar bad encounter a long time ago but the story today is quite different. |
| 20:14.46 | Lydia_K | DocScrutinizer05: Which one got fixed? The XFS getting corrupted at the drop of a hat? or the BTFS grinding my machine to a halt for no apparent reason? |
| 20:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the former |
| 20:15.05 | MinceR | yeah, they've implemented ordered writes or whatever solved the metadata-only journaling issue on ext3 |
| 20:15.09 | fromport | all of the above ;-) |
| 20:15.47 | Lydia_K | phogg: It's hard to undo a bad experience like that, losing data is traumatic and I'm not about to play russian roulette with my data. |
| 20:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | is btrfs really improving? lately? how would I find out about the version I'm just using? |
| 20:16.17 | Lydia_K | ext3/4 has been super reliable for me, I've had filesystems take a beating and still come back ok |
| 20:16.26 | Lydia_K | and good performance too! |
| 20:16.29 | phogg | I never really trusted btrfs, then I see stuff like https://lwn.net/Articles/729488/ and am glad I avoided it |
| 20:16.34 | devnob | I am encountering a problem on a new system I've installed with FDE (bios chip contains libreboot+grub2) dm-crypted partition containing lvm2 logical volume for root |
| 20:16.50 | devnob | btrfs has snapshots which sounds like a nifty feature though |
| 20:16.57 | fromport | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/Filesystems-Benchmarked performance comparison |
| 20:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lydia_K: yes, ext4 seems fine, alas not really supports snapshots, while xfs seems to adopt such features since 2015 |
| 20:17.17 | MinceR | i used btrfs on a usb flash drive because i really wanted block checksumming, but the fs died in a week or so |
| 20:17.21 | devnob | my problem is I get errors like /sbin/init not found and cannot mount the lvm mapped devices |
| 20:17.26 | phogg | Lydia_K: I know what you mean. I still use ext3 in some places out of a distrust of something as new as ext4. When it comes to data there is no such thing as too conservative. |
| 20:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | devnob: that's the one thing I like about btrfs |
| 20:17.58 | devnob | ext2 = non-journaling |
| 20:18.06 | MinceR | iirc they removed the standalone ext3 driver in recent Linux in favor of the ext4 driver |
| 20:18.21 | MinceR | there's probably still an ext2 driver though |
| 20:18.48 | fromport | devnob: sounds your system can't find the encrypted root fs ? |
| 20:18.55 | devnob | yea |
| 20:19.05 | devnob | i don't think it's the gzipped linux image vmlinuz |
| 20:19.11 | devnob | i think the problme is in the initrd |
| 20:19.13 | fromport | what procedure did you use to encrypt ? |
| 20:19.24 | devnob | https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/encrypted_debian.html |
| 20:19.27 | devnob | + |
| 20:19.34 | devnob | https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Minimal-install-guide |
| 20:19.40 | devnob | some combination of the two |
| 20:20.02 | devnob | so i just used the parted software that runs in the installer |
| 20:20.07 | fromport | only encrypts /home, rest is un encrypted |
| 20:20.20 | fromport | i will try this setup in a vm, might take a while ;-) |
| 20:20.28 | phogg | fromport: hope you never have anything sensitive hit /tmp |
| 20:21.24 | devnob | anyone ever run /tmp on a tmpfs? |
| 20:22.14 | fromport | isn't that standard nowadays ? |
| 20:22.33 | devnob | really? |
| 20:22.54 | phogg | I don't know if everyone does it by default but it's pretty common at least |
| 20:22.58 | devnob | i didn't think so because sometimes software will write GB's of data to /tmp |
| 20:22.58 | fromport | hmm not on devuan, but is on omv it seems |
| 20:23.29 | phogg | devnob: that's why I still put /tmp on a disk: compiling Xorg and the like |
| 20:23.41 | fromport | https://pastebin.com/RcGyQ9Dh |
| 20:23.48 | phogg | but for many systems it's a great choice |
| 20:24.21 | devnob | nice |
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| 21:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | fromport: 22T ? duh! |
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| 21:23.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | there were times where the *complete* internet could have get backup'ed in that - several times |
| 21:26.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | printed on standard typewriter A4 sheets, 22TB are around 150km high stack of paper ;-) |
| 21:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 28000 CDs |
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| 21:32.17 | bozonius | I'm a bit confused on the dependencies in several openrc init files. portmap is apparently supposed to be a virtual facility, because it is prefixed with '$', yet I don't see it defined in the /etc/insserv.conf file. For my own testing, I changed all '$portmap' to 'portmap' and the dependency checking for portmapper now works. Is this an oversight, a bug, or just something I do not yet ken? |
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| 21:33.13 | bozonius | btw, the docs on openrc seem to be rather scant and not exactly fully documented. I'm relying on whatever info I could find at gentoo and some other sites, including devuan |
| 21:33.58 | aitor | phogg, devnob, MinceR: yes, the ext3-modules were removed from the kernel in debian jessie |
| 21:35.14 | aitor | i added both ext2 and ext3 to linux-libre-3.16 time ago: |
| 21:35.15 | aitor | http://packages.gnuinos.org/pool/main/l/linux/ |
| 21:35.34 | aitor | but this is a bit old version of 3.16.x |
| 21:35.36 | bozonius | Nowadays, the bugs for systemd could be printed on 28000 CDs |
| 21:35.52 | bozonius | Should I log a bug for $portmap? |
| 21:36.33 | bozonius | either $portmap should be added to insserv, or the references to it in init.d should be changed back to non-virtual |
| 21:36.36 | aitor | i removed them in 3.16.44: http://gnuinos.org/linux-libre-3.16.44/ |
| 21:38.00 | aitor | time to dinner |
| 21:42.40 | jonadab | DocScrutinizer05: Someday we will keep the whole internet in a git repo. |
| 21:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, my weekly nightmare |
| 21:44.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | all my data in a git repo and I for the life of mine can't recall the damn arcane git incantation to retrieve it |
| 21:45.13 | golinux | Na |
| 21:45.26 | golinux | oops . . . nisfire |
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| 21:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and as icing on top somebody found an acient bug in git that renders all content completely irreversibly irrecoverable in 26 hours |
| 21:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | even if I could recall the git command, I couldn't save my data since the complete storage got used up by .git/8924n892c8924 gibberish so no space left to store plain data anywhere |
| 21:49.21 | bozonius | shades of systemd-syslogd |
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| 22:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, gloomy moods |
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| 23:17.46 | jooles | Hey again. This feels like a dumb question, but how do I install npm? I've installed the nodejs package but I still have no npm :/. I mean, the less JavaScript the better imo but I need it for work |
| 23:27.55 | devnob | output of npm -v ? |
| 23:29.13 | devnob | npm is a package in sid it looks like |
| 23:30.45 | devnob | nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/unstable.list |
| 23:30.53 | devnob | paste in: deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged unstable main |
| 23:31.00 | jooles | apt-get install npm says no such package, and nodejs doesn't include it |
| 23:31.31 | devnob | nano /etc/apt/preferences.d/unstable.pref |
| 23:31.37 | gnarface | jooles: did you install "nodejs" or did you install "node" ? |
| 23:31.50 | jooles | nodejs |
| 23:32.11 | devnob | paste in: https://pastebin.com/pg6vYvm3 |
| 23:32.27 | devnob | apt-get update |
| 23:32.40 | devnob | and you can now install by apt-get install npm/unstable |
| 23:32.57 | gnarface | i'm not sure that's wise, devnob |
| 23:33.12 | gnarface | mixing releases is a good way to hose your install |
| 23:33.16 | jooles | I do try not to mix releases if I can help it |
| 23:33.31 | jooles | I'm running ascii which should just have it, I'd have thought |
| 23:33.45 | devnob | hmm, these guys are probably right |
| 23:33.56 | devnob | maybe compile from source is best option then |
| 23:34.14 | gnarface | jooles: what does this show you? dpkg -L nodejs |
| 23:34.49 | gnarface | maybe npm is just in a weird non-standard location? |
| 23:35.10 | jooles | I did updatedb and locate npm and nothing |
| 23:35.28 | gnarface | jooles: please, dpkg -L |
| 23:36.01 | gnarface | i just want to see |
| 23:36.15 | gnarface | i'm not running nodejs here, |
| 23:36.16 | g4570n | apt-cache policy npm it's in jessie and unstable, and not in ascii |
| 23:37.27 | gnarface | oh, he did say ascii, my bad |
| 23:37.39 | jooles | gnarface: getting it now. Was having a fag |
| 23:38.00 | gnarface | it's not in backports either, that's weird |
| 23:38.09 | gnarface | yea, maybe building it is the best option |
| 23:38.23 | gnarface | you should still be able to get use the build-deps from the old version though |
| 23:38.26 | gnarface | more or less |
| 23:38.38 | gnarface | (i haven't tried backporting it myself since wheezy though) |
| 23:38.57 | jooles | https://pastebin.com/XV1mmxvm |
| 23:39.16 | jooles | bit odd though that it's not in the repos :/ |
| 23:39.25 | gnarface | yea i wonder why it got pulled |
| 23:39.35 | gnarface | the nodejs-legacy package doesn't have it does it? |
| 23:40.18 | jooles | nope :( |
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| 23:47.06 | jooles | meh, I'll just download the binaries from node's site. Thanks anyway :) |
