| 00:00.36 | unixman_home | I like WiCD. I suggest using it. :P |
| 00:01.40 | unixman_home | Ah, but you installed without a GUI. I get it now. |
| 00:01.51 | unixman_home | is slow sometimes :D |
| 00:01.52 | rrq | wicd-curses |
| 00:03.09 | unixman_home | Or wicd-cli. I forget about those as I rarely use them. |
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| 00:43.41 | golinux | Nicaragua_: Try setnet https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/setnet |
| 00:44.08 | golinux | also here https://git.devuan.org/KatolaZ/setnet.sh |
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| 01:11.57 | Nicaragua_ | I got openbox |
| 01:12.00 | Nicaragua_ | but clean openbox |
| 01:12.04 | Nicaragua_ | just openbox and X11 |
| 01:12.15 | Nicaragua_ | not xFCE LXDE nor Gnome neither KDE |
| 01:12.19 | Nicaragua_ | just openbox and X11 |
| 01:15.12 | Nicaragua_ | I mean I 've installed Openbox, and I have fbpanel on it |
| 01:15.24 | Nicaragua_ | I want something to replace nm-applet |
| 01:15.33 | Nicaragua_ | because I don't have , we don't have systemD |
| 01:15.41 | Nicaragua_ | and NetworkManager is based on systemD |
| 01:15.50 | Nicaragua_ | and WiCD needs gnome libraries |
| 01:21.59 | fsmithred | you can install network-manager without systemd |
| 01:22.28 | fsmithred | 0.9.10.0-7+devuan1 in jessie main |
| 01:24.53 | Nicaragua_ | thank you man |
| 01:45.24 | golinux | Not is jessie-proposed? |
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| 01:45.33 | golinux | is > in |
| 01:48.19 | fsmithred | I think the one in proposed is the test build |
| 01:48.33 | fsmithred | it's got a gbp number |
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| 02:10.24 | Nicaragua_ | hey what is the package for build essentials on devuan? |
| 02:11.17 | Nicaragua_ | build-essential I see |
| 02:11.17 | Nicaragua_ | thanks |
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| 02:31.34 | Nicaragua_ | wicd-curses is awesome |
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| 02:44.17 | Nicaragua_ | but finally |
| 02:44.21 | Nicaragua_ | I installed wpa_gui |
| 02:44.45 | Nicaragua_ | since is the wpa_supplicant's gui |
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| 03:10.42 | Nicaragua_ | and it's faster than everything |
| 03:12.40 | Nicaragua_ | https://xrunhprof.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/setup-wpa_gui-and-roaming-on-debian/ |
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| 03:59.21 | ebisu | Yo, I picked this distro up for my laptop that I librebooted (threw in a free kernel) and everythings gucci. I havent used debian in a few years because system D is fucking shit so mad props to the developers |
| 03:59.54 | ebisu | also I was wondering if there's any convenient way to upgrade this ancient verison fo xfce devuan ships with |
| 04:00.18 | ebisu | if not ill just isntall window maker or somethin |
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| 06:30.41 | pennTeller | Hi guys, does anyone know how to get the "cpupower" command to work on devuan? Any help is much appreciated |
| 06:37.26 | Leander | looks like the package is there, what is wrong with it? |
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| 07:44.15 | gnarface | ebisu: check backports for a newer version |
| 07:44.21 | gnarface | ebisu: (not sure but worth a try) |
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| 10:51.39 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4882#p4882 "If Amprolla is down or otherwise unavailable, apt-get appears to use the underlying debian repos in consequence. This results in a whole bunch of unauthenticated packages (because I have the devuan keyring not the debian) including packages which are normally held back." |
| 10:52.42 | fsmithred | Centurion-Dan2, parazyd, KatolaZ, jaromil ^^^ please see this post |
| 10:53.32 | fsmithred | shit, wrong channel |
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| 12:23.10 | system16 | i disabled port forwarding for my sftp server will this stop bots/humans from trying to break into my server? |
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| 12:28.33 | fsmithred | system16, if there's no ssh port open, then nobody will try to break in through ssh. |
| 12:28.48 | fsmithred | you can go here to have your ports scanned: https://www.grc.com/faq-shieldsup.htm |
| 12:32.53 | fsmithred | oh, trim the faq off that url |
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| 12:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: (picking up on that partitioning topic) gparted is lobotomized - when I select "repair" (OWTTE) it warns about "this will need a full scan of whole drive and may take very long". Then when you accept, the GUI freezes completely, incl "abort button" and all, while it reads and analyzes those 5 TB on my drive |
| 12:49.08 | fsmithred | yikes. |
| 12:49.30 | fsmithred | I didn't know there was a repair option in gparted. |
| 12:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither. Just found it and thought to just try it for curiosity's sake |
| 12:51.46 | fsmithred | remember the cat |
| 12:52.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | now without *any* sign of progress, this is up to anybody's guess on how long it really will take |
| 12:52.19 | fsmithred | maybe until root kills it |
| 12:53.46 | fsmithred | if I scan ports on my external ip address, will I see port 53 open even though it's not accessible from outside the local network? |
| 12:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/09/02/plasma-desktopnd2395.png |
| 12:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | (53) hmm, how so? |
| 12:54.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | scan from where? |
| 12:55.24 | fsmithred | I'm scanning from inside the local network |
| 12:55.32 | fsmithred | I'm behind two routers |
| 12:55.56 | fsmithred | and I'm scanning the external address on the router that's connected to the modem |
| 12:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's giving moot results, unless you want to know if netstat is correct ;-) |
| 12:56.17 | fsmithred | using nmap |
| 12:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | routers usually do "hairpinning" |
| 12:56.43 | fsmithred | so I'm not really reading from outside? |
| 12:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | your route will not get filtered the way any external access to public IP would |
| 12:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 12:57.12 | fsmithred | ok, I was afraid of that |
| 12:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you generally can't run nmap against $local |
| 12:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want, I can run from external |
| 12:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | PM your IP (and level of check you want) |
| 12:58.16 | fsmithred | yes, please, |
| 12:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually, please PM the nmap cmdline |
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| 16:52.15 | AlexLikeRock | buenas tardes |
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| 17:04.23 | g4570n | Buenas :) |
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| 17:26.50 | aitor | hola, buenas tardes, me tengo que ir, estaré dentro de tres o cuatro horas |
| 17:27.02 | aitor | see you :) |
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| 17:39.41 | bozonius | https://pasteboard.co/GIx7Smg.png what is that white rectangle at lower right? I'm running xfce4 on devuan 1.0 with all the latest updates from the repo. |
| 17:40.06 | bozonius | the only clue is that if I try to right click anywhere within that white region, there is no context menu popup |
| 17:40.17 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 17:40.37 | bozonius | this appeared about a day ago, and I was thinking it was just an "artifact" and would eventually go away. But so far, not. |
| 17:40.37 | AlexLikeRock | notifications |
| 17:40.47 | bozonius | yeah, that's what I'm thinking |
| 17:40.51 | AlexLikeRock | kill firt time , and next will work fine |
| 17:40.55 | AlexLikeRock | use: |
| 17:40.57 | AlexLikeRock | xkill |
| 17:41.01 | AlexLikeRock | and hit |
| 17:41.07 | bozonius | ok |
| 17:41.37 | fsmithred | I've had that. Can't remember what I did to make it go away, but it was easy. |
| 17:41.45 | fsmithred | restarting the desktop doesn't help? |
| 17:42.05 | bozonius | use the M$ method, fsmithred? |
| 17:42.12 | bozonius | This IS linux, afterall... |
| 17:42.15 | bozonius | :D |
| 17:42.16 | AlexLikeRock | fsmithred, its more easy with "xkill" |
| 17:42.17 | fsmithred | yeah, I occasionall reboot |
| 17:42.25 | bozonius | do I need to be root? |
| 17:42.29 | AlexLikeRock | no |
| 17:42.34 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.37 | bozonius | regular user -- it doesn't make it go away |
| 17:42.39 | AlexLikeRock | of desktop |
| 17:43.03 | bozonius | right. I know THAT will work. I'm just wondering how it got there and why it remains |
| 17:43.19 | bozonius | besides xkill, is there a simlar tool to simply identify it? |
| 17:43.22 | fsmithred | oh, xkill looks cool |
| 17:43.33 | bozonius | (but it doesn't work for me) |
| 17:43.59 | bozonius | istm there IS a tool that can identify a window in X |
| 17:44.09 | bozonius | similar to the way xkill works |
| 17:44.13 | bozonius | googles |
| 17:44.16 | fsmithred | I think I got that on the first login to the desktop, and I think my fix might have been to delete ~/.config/xfce4 |
| 17:44.30 | AlexLikeRock | maybe |
| 17:45.00 | fsmithred | what's the utility that you use to track mouse activity? |
| 17:45.12 | bozonius | xwininfo |
| 17:45.45 | fsmithred | yeah, that does it |
| 17:45.52 | bozonius | but xwininfo does not tell me who owns it |
| 17:45.57 | bozonius | (program or script) |
| 17:46.14 | fsmithred | oh, it worked fine on this hexchat window |
| 17:46.34 | fsmithred | this persisted over reboot? |
| 17:47.17 | bozonius | nah. I just want to know WHO did this to my desktop, and then hunt them down and murder the #@$% ! |
| 17:47.33 | bozonius | is very punchy right this moment, for some reason |
| 17:47.43 | fsmithred | I think it might be xfce |
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| 17:48.14 | bozonius | is xfce4 that evil, or lazy? |
| 17:48.33 | Xenguy_ | evil? lazy? |
| 17:48.38 | Xenguy_ | just got here... |
| 17:48.38 | fsmithred | not sure, but I'm liking it less than I used to. |
| 17:48.43 | bozonius | leaving artifacts around |
| 17:49.43 | bozonius | ok, xprop -id on that window tells me it is "thunderbird" "alert" |
| 17:50.20 | fsmithred | t-bird is closer to the chopping block than xfce |
| 17:50.47 | fsmithred | it only crashes when I retrieve mail |
| 17:50.56 | bozonius | yeah. So it is thunderbird -- it is still running, but it has no main window running |
| 17:51.05 | bozonius | fsmithred: every time? |
| 17:51.10 | bozonius | I've never had that |
| 17:51.14 | fsmithred | no, not every time |
| 17:51.18 | bozonius | whew |
| 17:51.23 | fsmithred | but only on the imap account |
| 17:51.39 | bozonius | "the" imap account? |
| 17:51.45 | bozonius | or "any" |
| 17:51.49 | fsmithred | it also tells me I have over 10,000 unread messages in my inbox |
| 17:52.03 | fsmithred | I only have one imap account. Others are pop |
| 17:52.15 | fsmithred | all are gmail |
| 17:52.21 | bozonius | well the crash is t-birds way of shaming you for not reading all that urgent email! |
| 17:52.33 | fsmithred | dng is not urgent |
| 17:52.45 | bozonius | email shaming is the latest trending |
| 17:52.54 | fsmithred | lol |
| 17:53.00 | bozonius | or it will be once I make this meme go viral |
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| 17:53.16 | bozonius | wonders how that actually happens -- do you have to be someone special? |
| 17:53.27 | fsmithred | right place, right time |
| 17:53.29 | bozonius | glad I could make you chuckle |
| 17:53.33 | bozonius | ah, that's it. |
| 17:53.41 | bozonius | that's been my problem my whole life I think. |
| 17:54.22 | bozonius | ok, so t-bird is still running but has somehow tucked away its main window. Nice. |
| 17:54.39 | fsmithred | kill that dinosaur |
| 17:55.22 | fsmithred | I've noticed that sometimes when it crashes, the window goes away, but it's still running, so I can't restart it until I kill it. |
| 17:57.26 | bozonius | wmctrl -l does not list any windows open by thunderbird, including the one I identified. But the man pages for these X11 utils do tell us that they are not very accurate |
| 17:57.40 | bozonius | I wonder if killing the t-bird will get rid of the window |
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| 17:57.55 | fsmithred | try it |
| 17:58.00 | bozonius | yep. |
| 17:58.02 | fsmithred | you should kill it anyway |
| 17:58.13 | bozonius | I should. And I did. |
| 17:58.24 | bozonius | But why... |
| 17:58.36 | fsmithred | why what? |
| 17:58.40 | fsmithred | why kill it? |
| 17:58.55 | bozonius | now, I did spend a good part of the day yesterday hunting down what seemed to be a mem leak in mozilla |
| 17:59.16 | bozonius | I'm wondering if all that activity, and the leaks, might have left that artifact somehow. |
| 17:59.22 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 17:59.27 | fsmithred | you're using 45? |
| 17:59.45 | bozonius | ah, I was running old ff with new tbird |
| 17:59.58 | fsmithred | oh, I'm using newer ff with old tbird |
| 18:00.07 | bozonius | for some reason, as it turns out, a prior update only upgraded t-bird but not ff |
| 18:00.57 | fsmithred | I stopped doing upgrades a couple months ago, but I can't remember why |
| 18:01.24 | bozonius | I updated again yesterday, and this time, apt did update ff. |
| 18:01.51 | bozonius | I think it had something to do with having had the experimental and backports repos enabled. Not sure tho |
| 18:02.44 | bozonius | to answer your question, as of yesterday's update, I am now running 52 of both |
| 18:03.04 | bozonius | (the exact levels vary by ff or tbird) |
| 18:03.26 | bozonius | well, at least the time drift is gone |
| 18:04.31 | bozonius | that trick did it (tinker panic 0 in ntp.conf) |
| 18:04.49 | bozonius | and this morning, all my VMs are humming along nicely. |
| 18:05.12 | bozonius | I prob should reboot my devuan VM tho, after all that testing and tinkering re the mem leak |
| 18:05.37 | bozonius | not that linux should be impacted by userland programs over the long run |
| 18:05.51 | bozonius | rebooting... |
| 18:06.51 | bozonius | cold boot (shutting VM down then restarting) |
| 18:07.29 | bozonius | devuan shuts down and boots VERY fast. |
| 18:07.36 | bozonius | even in a VM! |
| 18:07.38 | bozonius | :) |
| 18:09.33 | fsmithred | enigmail |
| 18:09.39 | bozonius | new problem (and I've been seeing this after reboots): The VM (in full screen mode) comes up as a small window, less than the screen size, even though before shutdown, it was a screen-sized window |
| 18:09.48 | fsmithred | now that I see it in the upgrades, I remember why I didn't |
| 18:09.50 | bozonius | (good one, i like it) |
| 18:10.25 | bozonius | when I go into the display program, the resolution is not set |
| 18:10.48 | bozonius | I can force it back to the size of the full screen, but why doesn't it preserve it across boots? |
| 18:10.57 | fsmithred | mine always come up small. I just grab the corner and make it bigger. |
| 18:11.09 | fsmithred | but that only works with guest additions |
| 18:11.50 | bozonius | but I'm in full-screen mode, there's no "window" per se |
| 18:11.57 | bozonius | it's the whole screen |
| 18:12.05 | fsmithred | oh, I never do that |
| 18:12.16 | bozonius | I prefer it because I get to use the entire screen this way |
| 18:12.28 | fsmithred | yeah, I've had occasion to need that |
| 18:12.28 | bozonius | (which is why I paid $91 for my new monitor) |
| 18:12.46 | fsmithred | how big? |
| 18:12.48 | bozonius | Overstock, 1920x1080 |
| 18:13.08 | bozonius | $91 (and I guess some extra, the usual), but got away with it all for under $100 |
| 18:13.10 | bozonius | And |
| 18:13.12 | bozonius | get this: |
| 18:13.13 | fsmithred | anyway, I need to reboot for real now |
| 18:13.17 | bozonius | oh |
| 18:13.18 | bozonius | ok |
| 18:13.24 | fsmithred | finish whqat you're saying |
| 18:13.28 | bozonius | thanks |
| 18:13.50 | bozonius | we have had occasional ant attacks here, well, one crawled under the screen of my new monitor! |
| 18:14.10 | bozonius | I complained to Overstock about this, and said they'd look into it. |
| 18:14.50 | bozonius | while I was waiting to hear from them, I got an ok for the return by email. But a few days later, I found a new monitor by the front door |
| 18:14.52 | fsmithred | they're gonna clean ants out of your monitor? |
| 18:14.55 | bozonius | !!! |
| 18:14.55 | infobot | in #devuan the exclamation mark ("!"), when put as first char in a line, is the infobot attention char (a shorthand for "infobot: ..." highlight). This is on special reqzest, in most other channels the bot uses tilde ("~") as attention char, and you'll find factoids referring to that like "also see ~<factoid>" |
| 18:15.28 | bozonius | I mean, I had figured I'd have to box mine up and send it back before they would issue a new one |
| 18:15.42 | bozonius | So I installed the new monitor, sent back the original in the new carton |
| 18:15.47 | fsmithred | that's nice |
| 18:15.50 | fsmithred | ok brb |
| 18:15.51 | bozonius | now THAT's customer service! |
| 18:15.54 | bozonius | ok |
| 18:16.51 | bozonius | gnarface: Alls well this morning. No more complaints on host or VMs about time sync crap. And the upgrade of ff to 52 seems to have quit the mem leaks, mostly |
| 18:17.25 | bozonius | however, some leakage is still occuring, and I'll continue to monitor that. The problem is almost definitely mozilla-only. Not an issue for vbox at all as I see it. |
| 18:17.44 | bozonius | just wanted to update you. |
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| 18:20.58 | fsmithred | bozonius, I decided to check my email before I closed tbird. |
| 18:21.10 | fsmithred | got a few messages, then closed it before the notification came up |
| 18:21.24 | fsmithred | and I got the same white box in the same place that you got it |
| 18:21.32 | bozonius | huh |
| 18:21.40 | bozonius | what version of t-bird -- 45? |
| 18:22.09 | bozonius | well, nice to know someone else is getting this also |
| 18:23.20 | bozonius | oh, wait, you told me you are running new tbird and old ff |
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| 18:23.39 | bozonius | I'm also running tbird 52 now |
| 18:23.53 | bozonius | and for some time... never saw this notification artifact before |
| 18:24.05 | fsmithred | it was 45 tbird and ff 52 |
| 18:24.13 | bozonius | oh |
| 18:24.21 | bozonius | I tought you said other way around |
| 18:24.25 | bozonius | but ok, makes sense now |
| 18:24.27 | fsmithred | wow, still 45.8 after upgrade |
| 18:24.33 | bozonius | yeah. |
| 18:24.55 | bozonius | do you have backports or other repos enabled? gnarface had me disable those and update/upgrade |
| 18:25.08 | bozonius | and it then installed ff 52 |
| 18:26.49 | bozonius | make something similar will work for you |
| 18:28.12 | fsmithred | I disabled backports before I upgraded |
| 18:28.23 | bozonius | any other repos? |
| 18:28.38 | bozonius | like experimental or maybe some other? |
| 18:28.43 | fsmithred | jessie -security -proposed |
| 18:28.51 | bozonius | maybe proposed? |
| 18:28.54 | fsmithred | no, I disabled everything. There was a shitton of them |
| 18:29.16 | bozonius | and you ran update, then upgrade? |
| 18:29.20 | fsmithred | yes |
| 18:29.23 | bozonius | huh |
| 18:29.44 | fsmithred | had 146 upgrades. Was using kernel from April. |
| 18:30.06 | bozonius | I'm pretty new to the dpkg/apt environment. I mostly know rpm and yum, and also pacman (arch linux) |
| 18:30.14 | bozonius | pacman is very nice, actually. |
| 18:30.58 | fsmithred | oh, I just have jessie and -security and -updates |
| 18:30.59 | bozonius | yum is not bad, either. RPM is a complex and feature-rich tool. |
| 18:31.00 | fsmithred | not proposed |
| 18:31.35 | fsmithred | yeah, I started with redhat and then suse |
| 18:31.54 | bozonius | me too. Stopped at mandrake/mandriva along the way too |
| 18:31.56 | fsmithred | and fc4 for awhile |
| 18:32.22 | bozonius | I'm only here because RH and derivatives went bad |
| 18:32.23 | fsmithred | ended up coming to debian because everything is already in the repo |
| 18:32.47 | fsmithred | brb, need to finish testing gpg |
| 18:33.01 | bozonius | same in centos, really. There's tons of rpms out there for RH and sons |
| 18:33.09 | bozonius | see ya |
| 18:33.48 | fsmithred | back. It works. And I remembered the passphrase first try. |
| 18:34.45 | fsmithred | ff is 52.2 |
| 18:39.28 | bozonius | can you get tbird to 52, or is it still stuck at 45? |
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| 18:43.14 | fsmithred | not sure |
| 18:43.28 | fsmithred | trying to figure out something else right now |
| 18:43.41 | oui | hi, I need help. The community of devuan to be such what like alcatraz or other high security prisons: how to register in the forum? The forum motor ask me «what is the color of the desk of Devuan?» I don't know: it was not possible for me to install Devuan until yet! |
| 18:44.41 | fsmithred | purple |
| 18:45.03 | oui | also the access to this irc! the robot question is absolutely terrible! Why such extremely maximal complicately contact with not-users-until-yet? |
| 18:45.24 | fsmithred | robot question for irc? |
| 18:45.39 | oui | Thank you for purple! |
| 18:45.41 | fsmithred | you're doing it through a web browser? |
| 18:45.43 | fsmithred | yw |
| 18:46.57 | oui | yes, of course, Seamonkey (includes IRC, initialy using the IRC part of it, and, now, through the browser, it is most easy... |
| 18:47.33 | oui | I don't know IRC commands... But if you can't register to the forum! |
| 18:47.56 | bozonius | ok, new issue. It seems that the virtualbox additions do not support 1920x1080? Because I don't see this mode in the dropdown when I go into Settings->Display |
| 18:47.56 | fsmithred | using hexchat here. Mostly click. |
| 18:47.57 | oui | and I never did learn English |
| 18:48.15 | fsmithred | you're doing pretty well with English for not knowing it. |
| 18:48.17 | bozonius | (it's OK, oui. English is a very hard language) |
| 18:48.59 | fsmithred | bozonius, xfce display settings doesn't work as well as lxrandr |
| 18:49.20 | oui | famithred: I am French (says "oui") but live in Germany |
| 18:49.25 | bozonius | Again, unless there is a strict reason for using the repo Guest Additions ("GA"), I don't see any reason not to build these from the CD that comes with vbox |
| 18:49.25 | fsmithred | although that's more about second monitor than about display size |
| 18:49.48 | bozonius | Ich lerne Deutsch nun. |
| 18:49.49 | fsmithred | usb support? |
| 18:49.54 | bozonius | und Espanol |
| 18:50.28 | bozonius | fsmithred: I can get usb support by building the GA myself. |
| 18:50.44 | bozonius | Never had an issue on most platforms doing it this way. |
| 18:50.59 | oui | shit! the question did change: what is the Devuan login manager now! |
| 18:51.24 | bozonius | only ones I know of are devuan, mageia, and alpine that require repo version of vbox GA |
| 18:51.30 | bozonius | oui: slim |
| 18:51.41 | oui | thank you |
| 18:51.45 | bozonius | try it. |
| 18:52.23 | bozonius | did that work? |
| 18:52.51 | oui | thank you bozonius, I did register with success to the forum (I hoppe)! Thank you very much. |
| 18:52.58 | bozonius | np, oui |
| 18:53.02 | bozonius | glad you could get in |
| 18:53.28 | guru | weird i have no idea what changed but now i can install steam, but not zsnes still on ceres |
| 18:53.34 | guru | 1/2 isnt bad |
| 18:53.54 | fsmithred | bozonius, I've only ever used the repo guest additions when I installed vbox from the repo. For virtualbox.org packages, I use their guest additions (or whatever it's called) |
| 18:58.02 | bozonius | but 1920x1080 is not supported apparently. When I was using the CD and building GA myself, I had no issue. |
| 18:58.38 | bozonius | I'd think Debian Jessie would support this mode -- it must be common. I'm pretty sure my monitor is fairly "normal" |
| 19:03.38 | fsmithred | bbiab |
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| 19:09.20 | bozonius2 | so there is no xorg.conf by default it seems. |
| 19:12.07 | bozonius2 | now this confounded VM is in full screen mode -- I did nothing! |
| 19:13.20 | bozonius2 | oh, it picked 1920x1200 that's why. But that is bigger than my physical screen. so some new windows open partially obscurd. |
| 19:13.30 | bozonius2 | *obscured |
| 19:17.38 | bozonius | trying "VBoxManage controlvm [name] setvideomodehint 1280 1024 24" |
| 19:19.24 | bozonius | nope |
| 19:19.34 | bozonius | still does not restore after reboot |
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| 19:36.41 | Invader_Bork | in this one year old video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMaC01ZtUuY the vlogger was saying that in a future release devuan might switch to openrc |
| 19:36.52 | Invader_Bork | has this happened? is there any truth to his claim |
| 19:36.54 | Invader_Bork | ? |
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| 19:57.15 | bozonius2 | video mode problem resolved by adding a startup script to xfce4. Clumsy a bit, but it works. Wonder why 1920x1080 mode is not available through repo vbox packages? |
| 20:00.22 | bozonius2 | new issue: xfce terminal does not start me in my home directory. I tried enabling "login shell" in the prefs, but that does not have any effect |
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| 20:07.11 | bozonius2 | ok, think I have figured out the problem: The .bashrc script that comes with devuan bash is trying to read a file called /etc/debian_chroot which does not exist |
| 20:07.42 | bozonius2 | This might count as a bug? |
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| 20:12.25 | bozonius2 | well, I said that wrong. it's checking for that file, and defaulting to null |
| 20:13.43 | bozonius2 | PS1 prompt shows me it is referencing variable "debian_chroot" which never got set |
| 20:13.56 | bozonius2 | guess there is still work to do on bash for devuan |
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| 20:14.52 | bozonius2 | no bugs against bash. |
| 20:14.57 | bozonius2 | hmm |
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| 21:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe that's all *just correct*? |
| 21:07.55 | fsmithred | bozonius2, how did you open the terminal? |
| 21:09.01 | fsmithred | and do you have bash-completion installed? |
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| 21:33.10 | bozonius | DocScrutinizer05: What do you mean by "just correct"? |
| 21:33.43 | bozonius | fsmithred: not sure, about bash-completion. opened terminal from desktop icon -- would that make a difference? |
| 21:34.00 | bozonius | seems I did not have this issue until the last couple days; never noticed this before that. |
| 21:34.29 | fsmithred | I know if you right-click on the desktop and "Open terminal here" the pwd is ~/Desktop |
| 21:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meant that e.g. referincing an unset $env in PS1 might be completely intentional, for changing the prompt based on *whether* the $env is set or not |
| 21:34.50 | fsmithred | yes @ Doc |
| 21:35.01 | fsmithred | my wheezy doesn't have /etc/debian_chroot |
| 21:35.27 | fsmithred | but if I make one and then chroot into the wheezy partition, my prompt is prefaced by whatever is in that file |
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| 21:37.28 | bozonius | intentional?I wonder why I did not notice this problem until a couple days ago? |
| 21:37.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | which makes a whole lot of sense |
| 21:37.51 | fsmithred | what desktop icon? |
| 21:38.02 | fsmithred | did you make one for terminal? |
| 21:38.07 | bozonius | one I created off the menu |
| 21:38.09 | bozonius | yes |
| 21:38.10 | fsmithred | and where did it put you? |
| 21:38.16 | bozonius | in root |
| 21:38.22 | bozonius | root of the fs |
| 21:38.47 | fsmithred | how'd you make one with the menu? You're in xfce, right? |
| 21:38.54 | bozonius | right |
| 21:38.56 | bozonius | hold on |
| 21:40.26 | bozonius2 | Ok, if I select it from the menu, it does the "right" thing: It puts me in my home. But the icon was created by using the context menu in the main menu |
| 21:40.52 | bozonius2 | hover mouse over the xfce terminal in the menu, then right click and request desktop icon? |
| 21:41.05 | bozonius2 | huh |
| 21:41.09 | bozonius2 | doesn't allow that here |
| 21:41.18 | bozonius2 | uhm |
| 21:41.23 | bozonius2 | headslaps himself |
| 21:41.26 | fsmithred | nope. if I right-click, it opens a terminal |
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| 21:41.35 | bozonius2 | this icon was imported from my old setup |
| 21:41.41 | fsmithred | if I copy the .desktop file to Desktop, I get an icon |
| 21:41.50 | fsmithred | and that one puts me in my home dir |
| 21:42.10 | bozonius2 | nvm |
| 21:42.12 | bozonius2 | false start |
| 21:42.14 | bozonius2 | sorry guys |
| 21:42.47 | bozonius2 | however, that other problem -- lack of 1920x1080 support I think IS a bug |
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| 21:45.01 | fsmithred | do you know if it works in debian jessie? |
| 21:45.13 | bozonius2 | no idea, sorry |
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| 21:46.17 | fsmithred | in my experience, if you're not seeing the optimal resolution for your monitor as a choice, either you need to specify the driver or the frequencies in xorg.conf |
| 21:46.26 | fsmithred | or in xorg.conf.d/ |
| 21:47.01 | fsmithred | and finding the frequencies can be difficult sometimes |
| 21:47.04 | bozonius2 | well, I fixed it by writing a script that is run when I login. But this is a mode that is very common, I think. |
| 21:47.21 | fsmithred | xrandr? |
| 21:47.26 | bozonius2 | fsmithred: There is a tool for finding them. yes |
| 21:47.40 | bozonius2 | and it worked for me. |
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| 21:48.09 | bozonius2 | But here's my complaint. The repo package for the vbox GA's should have this compiled in. For some reason it doesn't |
| 21:48.40 | bozonius2 | 1920x1080 is a common maybe popular screen size (I think it is 4:3) |
| 21:49.07 | fsmithred | yeah, I've seen dell laptops with that resolution. And they weren't brand new. |
| 21:49.11 | bozonius2 | googling this generates a number of hits for this resolution in vbox |
| 21:49.14 | bozonius2 | right |
| 21:49.23 | bozonius2 | this is a known issue |
| 21:49.32 | bozonius2 | it has been fixed in other distros apparently |
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| 21:51.00 | bozonius2 | or I should say, in distros that require you to use THEIR repo package for guest GAs |
| 21:52.07 | bozonius2 | if I use the CD-compiled version (as per Oracle's instructions) it works, because it can detect the local modes required. The devuan packager has no idea what equipment a user might have. |
| 21:52.09 | fsmithred | who does that? |
| 21:52.18 | bozonius2 | well, devuan. |
| 21:52.40 | bozonius2 | and mageia insists on it (I forget why, but they had some explanation) |
| 21:53.08 | bozonius2 | and alpine provides it, probably because it is very hard to build the GAs from CD due to musl c |
| 21:53.54 | fsmithred | I always took the advice to use the guest additions that came from the same place I got vbox |
| 21:53.59 | fsmithred | made sense |
| 21:54.08 | bozonius2 | me too |
| 21:54.26 | fsmithred | never tried to do otherwise, and in fact, presence of one can conflict with the other |
| 21:54.33 | bozonius2 | but when I started running into various issues with my Devuan VM, we re-installed them from the repo. |
| 21:54.44 | bozonius2 | oh |
| 21:54.59 | bozonius2 | I get vbox host from a different place -- namely, oracle itself |
| 21:55.19 | bozonius2 | I'm not hosting with devuan, but rather CentOS |
| 21:55.20 | fsmithred | yeah, if you switch from one to the other, make sure you get rid of it first |
| 21:55.36 | buZz | where should i open a issue to make a reminder to add brcmfmac43430-sdio.bin to the raspi1 image so it works on raspi zero-w aswell? :D |
| 21:56.47 | bozonius2 | fsmithred: That is not always possible. |
| 21:57.00 | fsmithred | to switch? |
| 21:57.44 | bozonius2 | I get my host vbox software for CentOS from Oracle (I have a yum repo file set up for this), but it varies when it comes to guests |
| 21:58.28 | bozonius2 | there is no requirement that host and guest software must come from the same place -- for one thing, Oracle does not host binaries for every one of the 1000 different distros |
| 21:58.54 | fsmithred | they don't have to |
| 21:58.57 | bozonius2 | but there are a few, exceptional, distros that offer their own pre-built vbox GA packages |
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| 21:59.16 | fsmithred | without also offering vbox packages? |
| 21:59.17 | bozonius2 | right, because you can always build them from the "CD" image that comes with Vbox |
| 21:59.27 | bozonius2 | WHICH packages? |
| 21:59.31 | bozonius2 | host or guest? |
| 21:59.44 | fsmithred | virtualbox and a graphical frontend |
| 22:00.19 | bozonius2 | when you say "virtualbox" do you mean the host package or do you mean the guest additions and/or guest drivers? |
| 22:00.23 | fsmithred | the program that allows you to make and run a vm |
| 22:00.28 | bozonius2 | ok, that's host |
| 22:00.46 | bozonius2 | GA only run in the guest |
| 22:00.53 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 22:01.57 | bozonius2 | if you don't do virtualization with products like vbox, it prob all sounds like Greek |
| 22:02.15 | bozonius2 | and I sometimes forget not everyone is doing this, sorry |
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| 22:03.16 | bozonius2 | btw, I just created a new desktop icon for xfce terminal. Copied the parameters from the ones in alacarte and it works correctly |
| 22:03.35 | fsmithred | cool |
| 22:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1920x1080 is obviously 19:10 |
| 22:04.22 | bozonius2 | so... any ideas why devuan wants us to use THEIR guest packages? |
| 22:04.42 | fsmithred | because devuan doesn't have the manpower to change everything that debian does |
| 22:04.54 | fsmithred | I don't think we mess with vbox packages at all |
| 22:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ofen seen used on 16:9 monitors |
| 22:05.55 | bozonius2 | ok, let me restate the question |
| 22:06.12 | fsmithred | and I don't know any details about what the difference is between the debian packages and the oracle packages other than better usb support in oracle. |
| 22:06.21 | bozonius2 | why debian wants us to use their GAs rather than building them on-the-fly with the source from the Virtual CD? |
| 22:06.41 | fsmithred | does that even work? |
| 22:06.57 | bozonius2 | but if oRacle provides better usb support then why would we continue using debians? |
| 22:07.09 | bozonius2 | work? heck yeah. I use it all over the place around here. |
| 22:07.10 | fsmithred | because it's completely open-source |
| 22:07.57 | bozonius2 | how can debian or devuan's be completely open source if they are building the packages from oracle's source, unless oracle's is open source also? |
| 22:08.30 | fsmithred | I don't know the details on that, but there may be some licensing issues on some parts of it |
| 22:08.31 | bozonius2 | I mean, I honestly don't know all the details about open sourcing |
| 22:09.05 | bozonius2 | the only part of it that I know of that has licensing issues is the extensions, but that's on the host side anyway. Not germane to the GAs |
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| 22:12.03 | bozonius2 | DocScrutinizer05: but 1920x1080 is a common resolution, isn't it? |
| 22:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is |
| 22:12.23 | rrq | also called HD |
| 22:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | very common I'd say |
| 22:13.07 | bozonius2 | well, whether it is 4:3 or not, maybe immaterial. But it is popular and common and (per rrq) HD. For me, that's enough reason it should be included |
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| 22:14.08 | bozonius2 | I don't really mind using distro-supplied packages for VM guests, but there are a couple of issues. One is this situation, where something common is not included, and the other is when VBox comes out with an upgrade and the distro trails months behind in getting updated packages out the door. |
| 22:14.30 | bozonius2 | that has created soem problems in the past due to incompatibilities, some very subtle but potent |
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| 22:21.46 | AlexLikeRock | DocScrutinizer05, how to now if my cpu its 686 or 586 |
| 22:21.46 | AlexLikeRock | ? |
| 22:21.57 | AlexLikeRock | its intel core 2 Duo |
| 22:22.11 | buZz | its 686 |
| 22:22.18 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 22:22.22 | AlexLikeRock | how to now ? |
| 22:22.23 | buZz | or 'beyond' really :P |
| 22:22.38 | buZz | 586 was pentium1 time |
| 22:22.39 | fsmithred | PentiumPro or newer is 686 |
| 22:22.48 | AlexLikeRock | tankws |
| 22:23.08 | buZz | AlexLikeRock: i think i know because i've read it many times since it was new :) |
| 22:23.43 | AlexLikeRock | hahah |
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| 22:50.57 | DPA | I've upgraded one of my PCs from jessie to ascii recently, and I've had a few minor problems. |
| 22:52.09 | DPA | I couldn't update udev because of a version conflict, but I just switched to eudev. |
| 22:53.18 | DPA | I can't unstall OpenRC |
| 22:53.44 | DPA | And the dhcp behaviour of wicd changed |
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| 22:54.25 | DPA | I also had to remove my wlan interfaces from my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:55.48 | DPA | I still have a problem with wicd, unlike in jessie, it does now generate and use its own dhcp config for dhclient |
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| 22:56.00 | efe-- | i just updated and now devuan is booting to console |
| 22:56.09 | efe-- | not sure why mate-desktop isn't starting |
| 22:58.53 | DPA | efe--: Do you have a login manager like slim or lightdm? |
| 22:58.59 | efe-- | slim |
| 23:00.10 | DPA | What happens if you try "service slim start" |
| 23:01.26 | DPA | ? |
| 23:01.32 | efe-- | no output |
| 23:02.07 | efe-- | [ - ] slim for status of all services |
| 23:02.43 | DPA | What does /var/log/slim.log say? |
| 23:03.49 | efe-- | the last line says slim waiting for xserver to begin accepting connections |
| 23:04.11 | efe-- | for the hell of it i typed apt-get install slim |
| 23:04.22 | efe-- | libpng12-0 (>= 1.23-4 ) but it is not installable |
| 23:05.00 | efe-- | its missing a depedency |
| 23:05.04 | efe-- | dependency |
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| 23:07.36 | AlexLikeRock | what abou lihtdm |
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| 23:07.47 | AlexLikeRock | or what ever name XD |
| 23:08.12 | AlexLikeRock | work fine to me |
| 23:10.11 | DPA | Does an "apt-get -f install" (without a package) work? |
| 23:10.57 | efe-- | https://debian.pkgs.org/8/debian-main-amd64/libpng12-0_1.2.50-2+deb8u3_amd64.deb.html |
| 23:11.02 | efe-- | i'll try installing this |
| 23:11.06 | efe-- | hopefully it doesnt cause hell |
| 23:11.11 | efe-- | no the package is missing |
| 23:12.44 | efe-- | i'm installing lightdm maybe that will work |
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| 23:13.56 | efe-- | yeah i removed slim im back |
| 23:14.18 | efe-- | good ol ceres unstable as can be |
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| 23:18.40 | DPA | Does anyone now how to restore the old behaviour of wicd in ascii to not use it's own dhclient.conf? |
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| 23:19.58 | DPA | I no longer get things like search domains and otger dhcp options when connecting to a wlan network with wicd. |
| 23:20.07 | DPA | *other |
| 23:20.37 | fsmithred | efe--, is this a problem with rsyslog? |
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| 23:20.54 | fsmithred | why do you want libpng12? |
| 23:22.43 | DPA | "apt-cache depends slim" in ascii or ceres. libpng12-0 only available in jessie. |
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| 23:32.42 | fsmithred | oh yeah, it's slim that needs it |
| 23:33.18 | fsmithred | there's a newer version in git, but it hasn't made it into the repo yet |
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