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| 00:18.12 | stevelitt | golinux, Purpy-izing ctwm turns out to be a much bigger deal than just adding a graphic. |
| 00:18.41 | stevelitt | In ctwm, every workspace has a different background color, which is a HECK of a good idea. |
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| 00:20.30 | stevelitt | It would be difficult to change those colors in a way that's all purpy, but different enough purpy to deduce which workspace you're on. |
| 00:22.06 | stevelitt | I'm not yet knowledgeable enough about ctwm to know whether it can use images and/or gradients for the background. |
| 00:23.27 | golinux | When you figure it out, ping me |
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| 12:10.54 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 17:50.24 | alexlikerock | hola amigos |
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| 18:24.43 | xkr47 | hi |
| 18:25.03 | xkr47 | I'm installing devuan 1.0 release and ran into a problem at the bootloader installation step |
| 18:25.18 | xkr47 | "Executing 'grub-install dummy' failed" |
| 18:25.22 | xkr47 | "This is a fatal error." |
| 18:27.57 | xkr47 | going to console ctrl-alt-f2 and looking in /var/log/syslog says pretty much the same, "grub-installer: info: Installing grub on 'dummy'" |
| 18:28.28 | gnarface | xkr47: does lilo work? |
| 18:28.45 | xkr47 | dunno, would like to keep using grub |
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| 18:28.56 | fsmithred | you might be able to install it in chroot |
| 18:29.00 | xkr47 | grub (efi) has been working fine with ubuntu 15.04 |
| 18:29.06 | gnarface | xkr47: still, sometimes the difference in behavior can tell you a lot |
| 18:29.09 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:29.30 | fsmithred | are you going to keep ubuntu on there? |
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| 18:30.19 | xkr47 | gnarface, hmm well.. I have a bit peculiar EFI that requires the "hybrid MBR partition table" to be set up in a special way for it to boot in EFI mode |
| 18:30.38 | xkr47 | well as a fallback |
| 18:30.48 | xkr47 | just added a new partition for devuan and installed there |
| 18:31.01 | luc_awoo | xkr47: did it asked you on what hdd to install it? the last time i got that error was because the installer timed out |
| 18:31.06 | fsmithred | you could skipt the bootloader for now and boot into ubuntu and run 'update-grub' |
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| 18:31.12 | xkr47 | I will try running "grub-install sda" in chroot from the console now and see what that does |
| 18:31.16 | fsmithred | then you can boot into devuan and run 'grub-install' |
| 18:31.29 | fsmithred | for efi, you don't need to use a device name |
| 18:31.54 | xkr47 | luc_awoo, no it did not ask, but it did ask whether I wanted to install some fallback grub thingy (unfamiliar concept to me) and I said no |
| 18:32.20 | xkr47 | fsmithred, oh |
| 18:32.35 | fsmithred | for uefi grub does not ask which drive to use. It puts a bootloader on the efi partition |
| 18:32.43 | xkr47 | ok I will try to boot to it using the old grub that was installed by ubuntu ? |
| 18:32.53 | fsmithred | you could |
| 18:32.59 | fsmithred | or as I said, try it now in chroot |
| 18:33.15 | xkr47 | ok let's see.. so I will now resume installation using "COntinue without boot loader" then I guess |
| 18:33.16 | fsmithred | I'm not sure where the installer mounts the new installation |
| 18:33.23 | xkr47 | ok trying chroot |
| 18:33.29 | fsmithred | in /target or maybe /installer/target |
| 18:33.38 | xkr47 | sure it does, otherwise it couldn't install it :) |
| 18:33.44 | xkr47 | but yeah it is still mounted at this point |
| 18:33.50 | fsmithred | yeah, I just don't know the mountpoint |
| 18:33.55 | fsmithred | df will tell you |
| 18:34.02 | xkr47 | /target it seems |
| 18:34.05 | fsmithred | cool |
| 18:34.24 | fsmithred | run 'update-grub' after, so you get a boot menu |
| 18:34.31 | fsmithred | still in chroot |
| 18:34.35 | xkr47 | I have the "64bit efi dvd installer" image |
| 18:34.47 | fsmithred | oh, the live iso? |
| 18:35.04 | xkr47 | no |
| 18:35.19 | xkr47 | one sec |
| 18:35.20 | fsmithred | ok. didn't know there was a separate installer iso for uefi |
| 18:35.52 | xkr47 | installer-iso/devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_DVD.iso |
| 18:35.57 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:36.04 | xkr47 | hmm mybe it isn't uefi :) |
| 18:36.10 | fsmithred | should do both |
| 18:36.18 | fsmithred | actually, I know it does both |
| 18:36.33 | xkr47 | grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh doesn't exist |
| 18:36.47 | xkr47 | so grub-install doesn't detect this to be a 64-bit uefi setup |
| 18:36.51 | fsmithred | I've done a few uefi installs with that iso. Usually works perfectly. |
| 18:36.55 | xkr47 | maybe I reboot and try then |
| 18:36.59 | fsmithred | wait |
| 18:37.10 | xkr47 | yeah I'm taking it slow |
| 18:37.21 | fsmithred | ls /sys/firmware/efi |
| 18:37.23 | xkr47 | will do whatever forensics you request :) |
| 18:37.40 | xkr47 | /sys is empty in chroot |
| 18:37.45 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:37.56 | xkr47 | only /target/dev and /target/media/cdrom linked |
| 18:38.01 | fsmithred | did you run grub-install and update-grub yet? |
| 18:38.13 | xkr47 | just grub-install |
| 18:38.20 | xkr47 | which failedd |
| 18:38.28 | xkr47 | I will mount --bind /sys /target/sys and see |
| 18:38.38 | fsmithred | should already be there |
| 18:38.41 | fsmithred | mount |
| 18:38.44 | fsmithred | will tell you |
| 18:39.00 | xkr47 | and /proc for fun |
| 18:39.06 | xkr47 | yeah wasn't there |
| 18:39.09 | fsmithred | eww |
| 18:39.14 | xkr47 | ok, chrooted back and new error |
| 18:39.18 | fsmithred | ok, should work better |
| 18:39.20 | fsmithred | ? |
| 18:39.23 | xkr47 | installing for x86_64-efi platform |
| 18:39.27 | fsmithred | yes |
| 18:39.32 | xkr47 | grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory |
| 18:39.36 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:39.50 | fsmithred | mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi (in chroot) |
| 18:39.52 | xkr47 | should the EFI partition be mounted somewhere |
| 18:39.59 | fsmithred | assuming sda1 is the efi partition |
| 18:40.19 | xkr47 | sda2 for me :P |
| 18:40.24 | fsmithred | if not in chroot, you can mount it to /target/boot/efi |
| 18:40.32 | fsmithred | ok. I never tried that. |
| 18:40.39 | xkr47 | /boot/efi does not exist.. mkdir |
| 18:40.42 | fsmithred | yes |
| 18:40.59 | xkr47 | NTFS signature is missing lulz |
| 18:41.11 | fsmithred | ??? |
| 18:41.14 | fsmithred | should be fat32 |
| 18:41.22 | xkr47 | not vfat? |
| 18:41.26 | fsmithred | same thing |
| 18:41.37 | xkr47 | mount refuses |
| 18:41.50 | fsmithred | get out of chroot (or another console) |
| 18:42.11 | fsmithred | and check: ls /sys/firmware/efi |
| 18:42.14 | xkr47 | ehh |
| 18:42.18 | xkr47 | this is not a fat filesystem |
| 18:42.21 | fsmithred | if it doesn't exist, you didn't boot in uefi mode |
| 18:42.43 | fsmithred | how many drives you got? |
| 18:42.44 | xkr47 | exists |
| 18:42.49 | fsmithred | ok, good |
| 18:43.17 | xkr47 | I have a SSD (sda), a HDD (sdb) and usb stick (sdc) (where I have the installer) |
| 18:43.29 | xkr47 | installing to sda3 |
| 18:43.31 | fsmithred | fdisk -l |
| 18:43.49 | fsmithred | make sure you know which drive is which, in case they decided to change their order |
| 18:44.06 | xkr47 | fdisk detects it as dos disklabel because of my peculiar hybrid MBR |
| 18:44.13 | xkr47 | it == sda |
| 18:44.29 | fsmithred | and there should be marked EFI System |
| 18:45.24 | xkr47 | this efi boot partition looks full of crap to me, except the first 512 bytes |
| 18:45.48 | xkr47 | I will now revert to booting and seeing what happens because I don't want to mess up the EFI part in case some detection is wrong |
| 18:46.01 | fsmithred | efibootmgr |
| 18:46.12 | xkr47 | ok run that |
| 18:46.18 | fsmithred | shows your bootloaders |
| 18:46.33 | fsmithred | is ubuntu shown as first in boot order? |
| 18:46.37 | xkr47 | yeah BootCurrent refers to USB HDD |
| 18:46.58 | fsmithred | BootOrder: ? |
| 18:46.58 | xkr47 | are the ones with stars "active" ? |
| 18:47.05 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 18:47.12 | fsmithred | I never inactivated one |
| 18:47.24 | xkr47 | I have like 25 entries in this list |
| 18:47.29 | fsmithred | lol |
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| 18:47.48 | fsmithred | that's more than I've ever had, and I've been working on the live uefi installer for the past year |
| 18:48.15 | xkr47 | the first one in BootOrder marked with a star seems to be the right one "ATA HDD0" |
| 18:48.31 | fsmithred | do you have one called ubuntu? |
| 18:48.36 | xkr47 | Boot0000 .. Boot0019 are my entries, where the number is hexadecimal |
| 18:48.43 | xkr47 | so it means 26 actually |
| 18:48.57 | xkr47 | no.. the bios labels them by the hardware nae |
| 18:49.25 | xkr47 | at least the names look familiar from the "boot order" menu in bios |
| 18:49.39 | fsmithred | the command to delete them (you can do it later) would be: |
| 18:49.40 | xkr47 | maybe my ubuntu 15.10 never changed the default name |
| 18:49.54 | fsmithred | efibootmgr -b XXXX -B XXXX |
| 18:50.02 | xkr47 | lol "Boot0019 OEM Hot Key" |
| 18:50.02 | fsmithred | where XXXX is the number |
| 18:50.21 | fsmithred | where does that take you? |
| 18:50.25 | xkr47 | ok I'll refrain from modifying EFI until I can see if this poor thing still boots at all :D |
| 18:50.32 | fsmithred | good plan |
| 18:50.48 | xkr47 | soo .. "Continue without boot loader" from installer? |
| 18:50.58 | fsmithred | yes, then boot ubuntu |
| 18:51.16 | xkr47 | ... not devuan? |
| 18:51.24 | fsmithred | how you gonna boot devuan? |
| 18:51.33 | xkr47 | editing grub command line? |
| 18:51.46 | xkr47 | or well "boot script" I guess |
| 18:51.49 | fsmithred | oh, ok. Yeah, that's what I'd do, |
| 18:51.55 | fsmithred | command line |
| 18:52.03 | xkr47 | one more funny thing |
| 18:52.09 | fsmithred | or boot ubuntu and let ubuntu add it to the boot menu |
| 18:52.23 | xkr47 | it seems I had another partition with an alpha version of devuan on the same usb stick |
| 18:52.34 | xkr47 | the installer found it first and said "heyyy I found your installer" |
| 18:52.44 | fsmithred | is this a multi-boot usb? |
| 18:52.46 | xkr47 | so I went to console and unmounted + mounted correct one |
| 18:53.10 | xkr47 | hey I just made multiple fat32 partitions on it and installed the iso to the new one |
| 18:53.19 | xkr47 | and moved the "bootable" flag to the new partition |
| 18:53.40 | xkr47 | but the installer didn't look at that and instead scanned all partitions or something |
| 18:53.43 | fsmithred | installed the iso how? |
| 18:53.49 | xkr47 | unetbootin |
| 18:53.53 | fsmithred | ohhh |
| 18:54.01 | xkr47 | "THERE'S your problem" ? :D |
| 18:54.11 | fsmithred | maybe. I haven't used it in over 10 years. |
| 18:54.14 | xkr47 | ^^ |
| 18:54.21 | fsmithred | and when I did, it put grub on the wrong drive |
| 18:54.25 | xkr47 | it's very gtk2 and has never failed me |
| 18:54.27 | fsmithred | i.e. on the usb |
| 18:54.29 | xkr47 | lol |
| 18:54.32 | xkr47 | ok |
| 18:55.04 | fsmithred | you reboot, I'll be back in couple minutes |
| 18:55.08 | xkr47 | finishing installation.. |
| 18:55.19 | xkr47 | yeah no worries, thanks a million already mate! |
| 18:55.49 | xkr47 | *boot* |
| 18:55.53 | xkr47 | fingers crozzed |
| 18:56.46 | xkr47 | ok grub appears still |
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| 18:58.52 | xkr47 | unknown filesystem |
| 18:59.01 | xkr47 | I'll show you unknown filesystem! |
| 18:59.16 | fsmithred | unknown filesystem? |
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| 18:59.23 | xkr47 | so grub says when I tried |
| 18:59.27 | xkr47 | insmod btrfs |
| 18:59.29 | fsmithred | tried what? |
| 18:59.34 | xkr47 | set root='hd0,gpt2' |
| 18:59.48 | fsmithred | that's second partition |
| 18:59.48 | xkr47 | linux /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 ro |
| 19:00.07 | xkr47 | oo yeah forgot grub2 doesn't use the off-by-one on gpt partitions |
| 19:00.18 | xkr47 | error: file /boot/vmlinuz not found |
| 19:00.25 | fsmithred | well, yeah |
| 19:00.30 | fsmithred | try gpt3 |
| 19:00.48 | xkr47 | BUT THAT'S WHAT THE INSTALLER TOLD ME TO DO when I chose "Continue without boot loader" |
| 19:00.55 | xkr47 | it said "vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3" |
| 19:01.02 | xkr47 | gpt3 worked yeah |
| 19:01.06 | xkr47 | but but tab completion ftw |
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| 19:01.13 | fsmithred | yes! |
| 19:01.14 | xkr47 | it found vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 19:01.32 | xkr47 | but that step has incorrect instructions at least |
| 19:01.42 | xkr47 | KERNEL PANIC oo nice |
| 19:01.54 | alexlikerock | lol |
| 19:01.56 | xkr47 | could not find root fs :P |
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| 19:02.22 | xkr47 | unknown-block(0,0) |
| 19:02.33 | fsmithred | but it found the kernel on the filesystem that it can't find? |
| 19:02.43 | xkr47 | hmm so I just specify the root in major:minor instead.. was that the syntax |
| 19:03.06 | xkr47 | fsmithred, _grub_ loaded the kernel but the kernel doesn't find the filesystem referenced by the root=xxx parameter |
| 19:03.35 | xkr47 | so grub loads the kernel alright using the "hd0,gpt3" syntax but /dev/sda3 was unknown to the kernel |
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| 19:04.05 | fsmithred | btrfs is a module in 3.16 |
| 19:04.18 | fsmithred | so that's not the problem |
| 19:04.30 | xkr47 | sure but it said unknown-block(0,0) which makes me think it did not know what sda3 meant |
| 19:04.40 | xkr47 | rather than not understanding the filesystem within |
| 19:04.48 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 19:04.54 | fsmithred | I'm feeling kinda lost now |
| 19:05.04 | xkr47 | can you help; do you have a /dev/sda* file in /dev ? |
| 19:05.07 | xkr47 | ls -l /dev/sda* |
| 19:05.14 | xkr47 | can you paste me one of the partitions if you do |
| 19:05.56 | fsmithred | yeah, got all of them. sda, and sda1-sda13 |
| 19:06.01 | xkr47 | sda3? |
| 19:06.23 | fsmithred | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 3 Aug 30 10:30 /dev/sda3 |
| 19:06.34 | fsmithred | yes, I installed that today |
| 19:06.46 | xkr47 | bah |
| 19:06.51 | xkr47 | unknown-block(8,3) now |
| 19:07.05 | xkr47 | used root=8:3 |
| 19:07.16 | xkr47 | and because panic I cannot scroll the console |
| 19:07.30 | xkr47 | this is the biggest mistake of the kernel panic |
| 19:07.44 | xkr47 | it should have some panic driver for keyboard so I could scroll |
| 19:07.52 | fsmithred | that would be nice |
| 19:08.02 | xkr47 | hmm |
| 19:08.05 | xkr47 | initrd? |
| 19:08.11 | fsmithred | yeah, maybe |
| 19:08.26 | xkr47 | if btrfs is a module then I will need a initrd |
| 19:08.30 | xkr47 | didn't specify one |
| 19:08.39 | xkr47 | again, the instructions didn't say I should |
| 19:08.45 | fsmithred | you booted from command line wihtout initrd |
| 19:08.47 | fsmithred | ? |
| 19:08.49 | xkr47 | BAAAD instructions.. :) |
| 19:08.50 | xkr47 | yes |
| 19:09.04 | fsmithred | oh, after you tell it where to find kernel and root fs... |
| 19:09.21 | fsmithred | initrd /boot/initrd [TAB] |
| 19:09.34 | xkr47 | yeeeeees |
| 19:09.50 | xkr47 | booted up! |
| 19:09.53 | fsmithred | cool |
| 19:09.59 | fsmithred | where were these instructions? |
| 19:10.13 | xkr47 | in the "Continue without boot loader" step |
| 19:10.31 | fsmithred | wow, I've never seen that. |
| 19:10.43 | fsmithred | and I've installed without a bootloader a few times |
| 19:11.28 | xkr47 | this is my best recollection at least |
| 19:11.30 | xkr47 | :D |
| 19:11.48 | fsmithred | lol, ok. Don't file a bug report without confirming it first. |
| 19:11.56 | xkr47 | ehh |
| 19:12.56 | fsmithred | what kind of computer is it? |
| 19:13.34 | xkr47 | this kind of computer: "Battery may be broken. Battery capacity is very low (18.2%) which means it may be broken" |
| 19:13.45 | xkr47 | it's a Lenovo laptop from 2011 |
| 19:14.59 | fsmithred | ok, you're the second one I talked to who had an early uefi laptop, and that one was weird, too. |
| 19:15.19 | fsmithred | but then... |
| 19:15.26 | fsmithred | I think maybe they're all weird |
| 19:16.02 | xkr47 | ^^ |
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| 19:16.43 | gnarface | xkr47: got the latest manufacturer's bios? |
| 19:16.50 | xkr47 | I have not checked |
| 19:16.55 | gnarface | do that |
| 19:17.06 | xkr47 | I'm a bit afraid it will not boot anything after that :D |
| 19:17.24 | xkr47 | I wonder if I could somehow make sure I can revert to the old one if needed |
| 19:17.31 | gnarface | that's a fair thing to be concerned about, but in my experience it's also the leading cause of "why doesn't my hardware do what the driver docs say it does" |
| 19:17.47 | xkr47 | I mean these newer laptops are great, you can save all bioses in the efi partition and pick one to flash from the bios setup |
| 19:18.04 | xkr47 | yeah probably |
| 19:19.06 | xkr47 | installed all desktop envs |
| 19:19.14 | xkr47 | openbox is "clean" |
| 19:19.25 | xkr47 | empty desktop and no task bars |
| 19:20.34 | xkr47 | ok well now I'll boot ubuntu and add the devuan to the grub config there |
| 19:20.55 | xkr47 | it would be nice if I could have one grub per installation and then choose among them |
| 19:21.04 | xkr47 | so one grub on sda1, one on sda3 etc |
| 19:21.20 | xkr47 | so each distro could just configure its own menu entries as it wished |
| 19:24.25 | fsmithred | you should be getting one directory on the efi partition for each distro |
| 19:24.33 | fsmithred | well, that's what mine does |
| 19:24.54 | xkr47 | sounds nice |
| 19:25.00 | xkr47 | I wants |
| 19:25.04 | fsmithred | and the last one installed is always first |
| 19:25.11 | xkr47 | magic |
| 19:25.19 | xkr47 | I'm still so in the BIOS world mentally |
| 19:25.22 | fsmithred | and if I use efibootmgr to change the boot order, it shows that the boot order is changed... |
| 19:25.28 | fsmithred | until I reboot and it reverts |
| 19:25.53 | xkr47 | yeah I think my new laptop did that |
| 19:25.57 | fsmithred | black magic |
| 19:25.57 | xkr47 | never tried on the old one |
| 19:26.12 | fsmithred | designed to frustrate us |
| 19:26.13 | xkr47 | old one = mine, new one = work laptop |
| 19:26.35 | xkr47 | luckily changing setup from bios setup works :) |
| 19:28.33 | xkr47 | lenovo thinkpad w520 |
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| 19:28.49 | fsmithred | I would expect that to be pretty good |
| 19:29.32 | xkr47 | seems I have 1.42 and 1.43 is available |
| 19:30.04 | xkr47 | "BIOS Update Utility for Windows 8 (32-bit, 64-bit), 7 (32-bit, 64-bit), Vista (32-bit, 64-bit), XP - ThinkPad W520" |
| 19:30.07 | xkr47 | or |
| 19:30.14 | xkr47 | "BIOS Update Bootable CD for Windows 8 (32-bit, 64-bit), 7 (32-bit, 64-bit), Vista (32-bit, 64-bit), XP - ThinkPad W520" |
| 19:31.01 | fsmithred | no update bios from the bios? |
| 19:31.02 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.11 | xkr47 | don't remember |
| 19:31.33 | fsmithred | I guess not, and that's why they have a bootable cd |
| 19:31.36 | xkr47 | the newer laptop from 2016 I can just drop the .exe into the /boot/efi and select it from the bios |
| 19:31.58 | xkr47 | haven't updated bios in.. 4 years on this one :) |
| 19:32.37 | xkr47 | hmm my ubuntu 15.04 has 3.19 kernel |
| 19:32.39 | fsmithred | do they have a changelog that shows what's in the newer bios? |
| 19:32.47 | xkr47 | devuan has a really "stable" version :) |
| 19:32.52 | fsmithred | lol |
| 19:32.56 | fsmithred | well-tested |
| 19:33.42 | xkr47 | I can't fathom why a bootable bios update cd has "operating systems" listed |
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| 19:34.15 | fsmithred | it's for people running linux who can't run a windows program |
| 19:34.25 | xkr47 | https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/8buj22uc.txt |
| 19:34.40 | xkr47 | yeah, but it only lists windows operating systems :) |
| 19:35.07 | xkr47 | "If the UEFI BIOS has been updated to version 1.43 or higher, it is no longer able to roll back to the version before 1.43 for security improvement." |
| 19:35.19 | xkr47 | yeaah that's what I'm talking about, just brick it! |
| 19:36.30 | fsmithred | they're telling you what operating systems they support on that model |
| 19:36.38 | xkr47 | it does not seem to contain very major/relevant updates for me |
| 19:36.46 | xkr47 | mmmaybe |
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| 19:39.47 | xkr47 | hehe ubuntu 15.10 fails to shut down |
| 19:39.54 | xkr47 | guess what init |
| 19:41.11 | xkr47 | now I wonder if my devuan will support sleeping on this laptop |
| 19:41.18 | fsmithred | I'm reading about the vulnerability they fixed. Can't tell if it's a remote attack or not. |
| 19:41.24 | xkr47 | well at least it boots nice from my manual grub entry |
| 19:41.31 | xkr47 | thanks |
| 19:41.34 | fsmithred | yw |
| 19:42.13 | fsmithred | one of the things it allows an attacker to do is... (ready for this?) |
| 19:42.17 | fsmithred | turn off secure boot |
| 19:43.02 | xkr47 | throws himself off the balcony |
| 19:43.03 | xkr47 | :D |
| 19:43.42 | xkr47 | wonder if this old laptop has the infamous Intel ME or not |
| 19:43.54 | fsmithred | I would not do that update for fear that it would not allow me to turn off secure boot |
| 19:44.14 | fsmithred | yeah, I think that was around in 20111 |
| 19:44.17 | xkr47 | a bit sad that AMD has shown no signs of helping linux users disable the similar technology on its new ryzen series |
| 19:46.33 | xkr47 | if I have a devuan beta 2 install, will it upgrade to the equivalent of a devuan 1 release version by regular apt-get distupgrade ? |
| 19:47.07 | xkr47 | I have an old install as well and wondered if the fresh install I just made is going to be different |
| 19:49.23 | fsmithred | yes, just update/upgrade |
| 19:49.40 | fsmithred | no |
| 19:49.51 | fsmithred | um, if there's a /data you can delete it |
| 19:51.17 | xkr47 | wonder if I should try grub-install now |
| 19:52.14 | xkr47 | hmm |
| 19:52.36 | xkr47 | no "sleep" option in "When laptop lid is closed:" |
| 19:53.00 | xkr47 | is sleeping unsupported in devuan or do I need to tweak my kernel somehow or? |
| 19:54.53 | fsmithred | mine don't sleep unless I tell them to. Lid doesn't do it. There's a discussion about it at dev1galaxy.org with a couple of possible fixes. |
| 19:56.19 | xkr47 | in ubuntu 15.04 it does provide that option and does sleep nicely 98% of the time |
| 19:56.39 | fsmithred | oh, if you figure out what does it, let everyone know |
| 19:56.51 | xkr47 | hmmmm I know nothing of this domain yet |
| 19:57.20 | fsmithred | is it xubuntu? |
| 19:57.24 | xkr47 | I don't know what piece of software "notices" that the lid is closed |
| 19:57.32 | xkr47 | no, regular ubuntu |
| 19:57.50 | xkr47 | and I don't know how gnome-control-center knows what options to list in the dropdown |
| 19:57.51 | fsmithred | probably something specific to their desktop |
| 19:58.04 | fsmithred | gnome still gives options? |
| 19:58.25 | xkr47 | heh you nailed it |
| 19:58.32 | fsmithred | bb need coffee |
| 20:03.01 | xkr47 | how do you tell it to sleep? |
| 20:04.57 | xkr47 | firefox 52.x..... |
| 20:05.20 | xkr47 | one would think the latest firefox would be included in "security" updates |
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| 20:08.29 | xkr47 | l |
| 20:08.30 | xkr47 | w |
| 20:08.44 | fsmithred | sleep/suspend is in the logout dialogue in xfce |
| 20:08.52 | xkr47 | ok will check |
| 20:08.56 | xkr47 | but woot I just found /etc/systemd in my devuan install! |
| 20:09.08 | fsmithred | firefox-esr is in repo |
| 20:09.14 | fsmithred | yeah, all that is for udev |
| 20:10.31 | xkr47 | firefox-esr is already installededed |
| 20:10.41 | fsmithred | 52.3? |
| 20:10.57 | xkr47 | y |
| 20:11.01 | fsmithred | ok |
| 20:11.07 | xkr47 | 52.3.0esr-1~deb8u2 |
| 20:11.12 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 20:11.18 | fsmithred | that's from jessie-security |
| 20:11.35 | fsmithred | 54 or 55 requires pulseaudio |
| 20:11.51 | xkr47 | but pulseaudio is running |
| 20:12.04 | fsmithred | not here it isn't, but I didn't take the full desktop |
| 20:12.39 | xkr47 | actually I want to throw pulseaudio out and start using jack with kxstudio |
| 20:13.03 | fsmithred | I wish ff had support for jack |
| 20:13.09 | xkr47 | is it possible to "unselect" the desktop bundles I selected during install like MATE, XFCE etc |
| 20:13.22 | fsmithred | you installed them all? |
| 20:13.27 | xkr47 | ALL |
| 20:13.28 | xkr47 | :D: |
| 20:13.30 | fsmithred | wow |
| 20:13.31 | xkr47 | I wanted to try them out |
| 20:13.46 | xkr47 | I've been using sawfish window manager for 17 years |
| 20:13.59 | fsmithred | try apt-get remove task-mate (and so on) |
| 20:14.02 | xkr47 | only occasionally being forced to use whatever default the gnome desktop has used along the years |
| 20:14.10 | fsmithred | if you're lucky, it will just remove the metapackage |
| 20:14.19 | xkr47 | sawfish was the default gnome window manager back in 2001 |
| 20:14.24 | xkr47 | lol |
| 20:14.27 | fsmithred | yeah, I remember |
| 20:14.42 | xkr47 | I have a rather elaborate set of lisp scripts now |
| 20:15.36 | xkr47 | and a bunch of scripts to install sawfish on any modern system |
| 20:15.58 | xkr47 | ubuntu 17.04 on my work laptop, pager stopped working |
| 20:16.18 | xkr47 | so now I'm adding fprintf statements to the C source code to see why it won't show :) |
| 20:18.07 | xkr47 | synaptic seemed to find "task-mate-desktop" which depends on tasksel, task-desktop, mate-desktop-environment and slim |
| 20:18.33 | xkr47 | are metapackages any different from normal packages? is it possible to identify them somehow? |
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| 20:20.35 | gnarface | xkr47: yes, and yes |
| 20:20.36 | xkr47 | aha, under "Sections" there are a "Meta Packages" and a "Meta Packages (non free) |
| 20:20.52 | fsmithred | metapackage just lists other packages to install |
| 20:20.59 | fsmithred | to autoinstall |
| 20:21.31 | xkr47 | but not all of the options in the installation program are listed here |
| 20:21.50 | xkr47 | mate desktop for example isn't |
| 20:21.55 | xkr47 | lxde is |
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| 20:27.02 | xkr47 | hmm xfce control center has a power management tool which lists "suspend" as an option when lid is closed |
| 20:27.06 | xkr47 | but it doesn't work |
| 20:28.12 | xkr47 | from the menu, it sleeps |
| 20:35.56 | fsmithred | yeah, same here |
| 20:36.04 | fsmithred | I'll be afk for a it |
| 20:36.05 | fsmithred | bit |
| 20:39.20 | xkr47 | can't say the same :) |
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