| 00:05.25 | aitor | fsmithred: she lives in boths hemisferes at the same time, but she lost the eclipse |
| 00:08.52 | *** join/#devuan Olufunmilayo (~Olufunmil@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo) |
| 00:10.30 | fsmithred | lost it? That's ok. NASA must have found it, because they have pictures. |
| 00:13.57 | aitor | surely |
| 00:21.33 | *** join/#devuan Katnija (~KittenGNU@208.209.9.46.customer.cdi.no) |
| 00:21.37 | aitor | golinux was asleep this morning..., which morning? europe's morning or boston's morning? |
| 00:23.49 | fsmithred | boston morning |
| 00:23.50 | aitor | you could give me some clues |
| 00:24.05 | aitor | ok |
| 00:24.09 | fsmithred | -0500 |
| 00:24.30 | fsmithred | I mean -0500 morning |
| 00:25.41 | aitor | check your clock, guy |
| 00:26.15 | fsmithred | 20:25 |
| 00:27.00 | aitor | right |
| 00:27.28 | *** join/#devuan TemporalBeing (~Ben_Meyer@172-6-231-225.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:28.27 | aitor | fsmithred: this week i'll write the code for debian-installer |
| 00:28.40 | fsmithred | ok, thanks |
| 00:29.28 | aitor | see you tomorrow |
| 00:36.51 | *** join/#devuan g4570n (~g4570n@host2.190-228-106.telecom.net.ar) |
| 00:37.49 | g4570n | !listkeys #devuan <foo> |
| 00:37.58 | *** join/#devuan nighty- (~nighty@kyotolabs.asahinet.com) |
| 00:50.53 | *** join/#devuan tsuggs (~tsuggs@adsl-074-171-024-060.sip.int.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:53.53 | *** part/#devuan g4570n (~g4570n@host2.190-228-106.telecom.net.ar) |
| 01:09.02 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@fixed-187-190-159-133.totalplay.net) |
| 01:11.59 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@fixed-187-190-159-133.totalplay.net) |
| 01:14.19 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@fixed-187-190-159-133.totalplay.net) |
| 01:18.49 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@fixed-187-190-159-133.totalplay.net) |
| 01:22.07 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@fixed-187-190-159-133.totalplay.net) |
| 01:22.34 | *** join/#devuan Hoshpak (~Hoshpak@p200300C90BC7D300E9B9209A24436626.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:32.39 | *** join/#devuan Olufunmilayo (~Olufunmil@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo) |
| 01:37.47 | *** join/#devuan Humpelst1lzchen (erik@x4e361bc1.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 01:40.07 | *** join/#devuan Schallaven (~Schallave@ip-198-96-36-15.dynamic.yorku.ca) |
| 01:53.43 | *** join/#devuan DocScrutinizer05 (~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 01:56.36 | *** join/#devuan captain_fixerpc1 (~captainfi@32.218.20.98) |
| 02:36.30 | *** join/#devuan captain__broken (~captainfi@32.218.20.225) |
| 03:47.50 | *** join/#devuan XuR (~quassel@ip70-188-216-108.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 03:48.14 | *** join/#devuan peetaur (~peter@p57AAAEBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:01.53 | *** join/#devuan rdav (~rdav@211.114.220.111.sta.wbroadband.net.au) |
| 04:06.55 | *** join/#devuan knidos (~knidos@88.253.163.122) |
| 04:09.27 | *** join/#devuan DusXMT (~dusxmt@84.245.120.190) |
| 04:18.24 | *** join/#devuan kini (~kini@unaffiliated/kini) |
| 04:30.49 | *** join/#devuan kini (~kini@unaffiliated/kini) |
| 05:04.24 | *** join/#devuan tsuggs (~tsuggs@adsl-074-171-024-060.sip.int.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:18.10 | *** join/#devuan godbed (~Wowbagger@HSI-KBW-078-042-157-153.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 06:09.14 | *** join/#devuan jord (~jord@94.229.74.91) |
| 06:41.46 | *** join/#devuan blinkdog_ (~blinkdog@72-160-200-168.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 06:45.37 | *** join/#devuan giricz81 (~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz) |
| 07:00.33 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-55-224.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 07:10.56 | *** join/#devuan pydsigner (~pydsigner@unaffiliated/pydsigner) |
| 07:13.18 | *** join/#devuan JohnnyRun (~gianni@net94-124-67-2.static.bb.mainsoft.it) |
| 07:41.18 | *** join/#devuan fugitive (~fugitive@95.211.147.186) |
| 07:58.47 | *** join/#devuan Besnik_b (~Besnik@ppp-94-66-221-162.home.otenet.gr) |
| 08:01.12 | *** join/#devuan amphi (~amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) |
| 08:05.42 | *** join/#devuan metaxy (~metax@gateway/tor-sasl/metax) |
| 08:07.21 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk (~s_kunk@146.255.174.104) |
| 08:07.21 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk (~s_kunk@unaffiliated/s-kunk/x-5139101) |
| 08:35.15 | *** join/#devuan freemangordon_ (~ivo@195.128.225.2) |
| 08:44.02 | *** part/#devuan BlakBat (~julien@ns3004008.ip-151-80-37.eu) |
| 08:53.29 | *** join/#devuan pydsigner (~pydsigner@unaffiliated/pydsigner) |
| 08:57.06 | *** join/#devuan thaller (~thaller@37-48-51-245.tmcz.cz) |
| 08:59.07 | *** join/#devuan cocoadaemon (~foo@2a01:e35:8a99:e90:1202:b5ff:fe91:e4ca) |
| 08:59.45 | *** join/#devuan Nukien (~Nukien@162.250.233.55) |
| 09:21.23 | *** join/#devuan specing (~specing@unaffiliated/specing) |
| 09:31.38 | *** join/#devuan metax (~metax@gateway/tor-sasl/metax) |
| 09:31.38 | metax | h |
| 09:34.34 | sickness | hi |
| 10:16.42 | *** join/#devuan metax (~metax@gateway/tor-sasl/metax) |
| 10:28.51 | *** join/#devuan debdog (~debdog@2a02:8070:418b:1400:7a24:afff:fe8a:d04d) |
| 10:55.44 | *** join/#devuan zama (~zama@unaffiliated/stryx/x-3871776) |
| 11:01.03 | *** join/#devuan DusXMT (~dusxmt@84.245.120.190) |
| 11:01.20 | *** join/#devuan DocScrutinizer05 (~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 11:02.36 | *** join/#devuan buZz (~buzz@192.161.48.59) |
| 11:03.10 | *** join/#devuan ryuujin (~ryuujin@server.mirchaemanuel.com) |
| 11:03.40 | *** join/#devuan Hestben (~robert@ua-83-226-77-74.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 11:05.38 | *** join/#devuan cyteen (~cyteen@cyteen42.plus.com) |
| 11:05.40 | *** join/#devuan rleigh_ (~rleigh@134.36.162.133) |
| 11:05.40 | *** join/#devuan rleigh_ (~rleigh@unaffiliated/rleigh) |
| 11:05.48 | *** join/#devuan reetspetit (~john@239.red-80-59-216.staticip.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:05.49 | *** join/#devuan quite (quite@unaffiliated/quite) |
| 11:13.11 | *** join/#devuan yuki_is_bored (yukiisbore@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gdsvpotpyofiisyz) |
| 11:16.47 | *** join/#devuan Markus_KMi_[m] (kmimatrixo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jaxcngtcdibrweqd) |
| 11:27.28 | *** join/#devuan thaller (thaller@nat/redhat/x-bjiazzxsgbxxldrd) |
| 11:33.04 | *** join/#devuan mender27 (~bylicki@213.208.146.138) |
| 11:33.16 | mender27 | Hello hello ;). |
| 11:34.31 | mender27 | Any plans for a follow up to Debian's Stretch? |
| 11:36.31 | *** join/#devuan Besnik_b (~Besnik@ppp-94-66-221-114.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:38.34 | *** join/#devuan justinsm (~justinsm@82-69-63-196.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 11:43.04 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-55-224.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 11:43.43 | mender27 | Ah, sorry, reading up on the "new" Devuan forums and getting educated. Don't mind me. |
| 11:45.24 | *** join/#devuan nighty- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 11:56.17 | *** part/#devuan mender27 (~bylicki@213.208.146.138) |
| 11:59.42 | *** join/#devuan metax (~metax@gateway/tor-sasl/metax) |
| 12:23.51 | *** join/#devuan fsmithred (~fsmithred@68-184-46-18.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 12:38.57 | *** join/#devuan bill-auger (~quassel@75-138-187-221.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 12:47.10 | *** part/#devuan zdzichu (~zdzichu@fedora/ttorcz) |
| 12:55.49 | *** join/#devuan Drugo (~Drugo@62-11-1-95.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 13:27.31 | *** join/#devuan Venker (~zomfg@198.red-83-44-223.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:27.34 | Venker | hi there |
| 13:53.42 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@fixed-187-190-159-133.totalplay.net) |
| 13:57.34 | *** join/#devuan Guest1702 (~Guest@83.220.237.198) |
| 14:01.13 | *** join/#devuan bill-auger (~quassel@75-138-187-221.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 14:11.56 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@fixed-187-190-159-133.totalplay.net) |
| 14:12.16 | *** join/#devuan IoFran (~Thunderbi@189.155.165.181) |
| 14:21.35 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@fixed-187-190-159-133.totalplay.net) |
| 14:27.51 | *** join/#devuan msiism (~devdoc@dslb-188-103-130-203.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 14:50.35 | *** join/#devuan hunger (~quassel@kde/developer/hunger) |
| 15:11.04 | *** join/#devuan thaller (thaller@nat/redhat/x-vcufeajtrgxvqhyq) |
| 15:15.45 | *** join/#devuan blinkdog (~blinkdog@wipac-user-nat.icecube.wisc.edu) |
| 15:21.38 | *** join/#devuan blinkdog (~blinkdog@wipac-user-nat.icecube.wisc.edu) |
| 15:23.17 | *** join/#devuan menip (~menip@mobile-166-176-185-164.mycingular.net) |
| 15:23.24 | *** join/#devuan alexlikerock (~alexliker@177.247.218.104) |
| 15:24.39 | *** join/#devuan blinkdog (~blinkdog@wipac-user-nat.icecube.wisc.edu) |
| 15:37.33 | *** join/#devuan debdog (~debdog@2a02:8070:418b:1400:7a24:afff:fe8a:d04d) |
| 15:38.59 | *** join/#devuan Ryushin (~Ryushin@LINUXGW.THESHINNGROUP.COM) |
| 15:40.34 | *** join/#devuan peetaur (~peter@p200300E10BC0A3001E1B0DFFFE9F7A09.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:45.43 | *** join/#devuan Pali (~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali) |
| 15:54.05 | *** join/#devuan jimjamjim (~qddqqdqd@197.156.95.161) |
| 16:00.43 | *** join/#devuan Kruppt (~Kruppt@104.169.25.150) |
| 16:12.23 | *** join/#devuan aggrora (~emilnd@213-66-22-167-no172.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 16:15.53 | *** join/#devuan ltem (~ltem@h081217057026.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) |
| 16:17.54 | *** join/#devuan telst4r (~telstar@213-243-138-179.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 16:17.55 | *** join/#devuan telst4r (~telstar@fsf/member/telst4r) |
| 16:21.08 | *** join/#devuan XuR (~quassel@ip70-188-216-108.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 16:24.06 | *** join/#devuan Besnik_b (~Besnik@ppp-94-66-221-42.home.otenet.gr) |
| 16:26.24 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-55-224.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 16:26.29 | *** join/#devuan alexlikerock (~alexliker@177.247.218.104) |
| 16:36.13 | *** join/#devuan hwpplayer1 (~hwpplayer@176.88.27.37) |
| 16:38.35 | *** join/#devuan jimjamjim (~qddqqdqd@197.156.95.255) |
| 16:44.24 | *** join/#devuan MinceR (~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) |
| 16:49.34 | *** join/#devuan primalz (~rimalz@unaffiliated/primalz) |
| 16:55.24 | *** join/#devuan debdog (~debdog@ip-37-201-6-57.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 17:01.24 | *** join/#devuan Akuli (~Akuli@mobile-access-5d6a92-132.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 17:10.23 | *** join/#devuan specing (~specing@unaffiliated/specing) |
| 17:14.25 | *** join/#devuan eracc_lappy (~Captalist@unaffiliated/eracc) |
| 17:19.42 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-55-224.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 17:20.00 | *** join/#devuan menip (~menip@mobile-166-176-185-164.mycingular.net) |
| 17:23.38 | *** join/#devuan alexlikerock (~alexliker@177.247.218.104) |
| 17:24.15 | *** join/#devuan Guest1702 (~Guest@83.220.236.78) |
| 17:26.20 | *** join/#devuan unknown___ (~chatzilla@46.125.250.23) |
| 17:31.53 | *** join/#devuan F_Sauce (~olav@2001:4642:1038:0:224:1dff:fec6:6519) |
| 17:44.04 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk (~s_kunk@224.99.204.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 17:44.04 | *** join/#devuan s_kunk (~s_kunk@unaffiliated/s-kunk/x-5139101) |
| 17:49.40 | *** join/#devuan debdog (~debdog@ip-37-201-6-57.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 18:00.35 | msiism | is there a standard location where desktop backgrounds that are available system-wide are stored in devuan? |
| 18:01.57 | *** join/#devuan aitor_ (~aitor@171.85-84-183.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 18:02.04 | aitor_ | hi |
| 18:02.38 | aitor_ | today i've been working on a new packaging of vdev, and fixed some bugs |
| 18:05.04 | aitor_ | for example: `gcc -print-multiarch` in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/vdev now requires to specify the version of gcc, that is: |
| 18:05.11 | aitor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.32 | aitor_ | otherwise, you'll get a gcc not found |
| 18:06.34 | aitor_ | i also removed completly udev from the system, and works fine: external devices are detected and mounted succesfully |
| 18:07.06 | aitor_ | i changed several times from udev to vdev, and vice versa running: |
| 18:07.10 | *** join/#devuan Guest1548 (~Guest@83.220.239.237) |
| 18:07.30 | aitor_ | vdev-assistant vdev |
| 18:07.37 | aitor_ | vdev-assistant udev |
| 18:07.50 | *** part/#devuan Guest1548 (~Guest@83.220.239.237) |
| 18:07.57 | aitor_ | respectively |
| 18:09.48 | hwpplayer1 | Hi peeople |
| 18:10.00 | aitor_ | i also applyied some changes to the live-boot scripts (located in /lib/live/boot) |
| 18:10.13 | aitor_ | hi hwpplayer1 |
| 18:10.35 | hwpplayer1 | I want to learn more about this project |
| 18:10.41 | hwpplayer1 | And collaboration |
| 18:10.48 | hwpplayer1 | I also want to support Debian |
| 18:10.57 | hwpplayer1 | with my company |
| 18:11.19 | hwpplayer1 | Can i talk with team leader ? |
| 18:11.32 | hwpplayer1 | via phone |
| 18:11.37 | aitor_ | there is link in the website for that, i think |
| 18:11.47 | hwpplayer1 | devuan dot org ? |
| 18:11.49 | aitor_ | you can send private messages |
| 18:11.55 | *** join/#devuan freedomrun (~freedomru@unaffiliated/freedomrun) |
| 18:12.02 | hwpplayer1 | What is his or her nickname ? |
| 18:12.30 | aitor_ | hwpplayer1: freedom@devuan.org |
| 18:12.59 | hwpplayer1 | I will write a mail to freedom@devuan.org |
| 18:13.55 | aitor_ | as far as i now: the main developers denis roio, daniel reurich, franco lanza... you can see their names in the website |
| 18:14.27 | aitor_ | ivan (parazyd) ,and more... |
| 18:17.08 | aitor_ | fsmithred, if you are there, i'll replace udev by vdev in your iso and build a new live image image including the repository of devuan and vdev (because debian-installer changes the /etc/apt/sources.list file) |
| 18:18.11 | aitor_ | and i'll publish it in the mailing list and d1g for possible testers |
| 18:20.56 | aitor_ | the only risk i found is reinstalling the initramfs-tools package; we should build our own one, an unique one compatible with both udev and vdev, breaking vdev with the original initramfs comming from debian |
| 18:22.14 | hwpplayer1 | aitor_ : could you please give me a link |
| 18:22.25 | hwpplayer1 | https://devuan.org/os/team/ |
| 18:22.36 | aitor_ | it's not possible for now to install vdev doing a simple apt-get update, the dependency of some core packages on udev shourd be replaced by udev or vdev |
| 18:23.15 | aitor_ | hwplayer: the new packaging of vdev is only in amd64, here you are: |
| 18:23.40 | aitor_ | http://packages.gnuinos.org/vdev/ |
| 18:24.49 | aitor_ | the iso image still is not ready, but it'll be published here too in a few hours (may be one day..., depending) |
| 18:25.58 | aitor_ | you can add (only in devuan, not in debian) the following line to your sources.list> |
| 18:26.22 | aitor_ | deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/vdev jessie main |
| 18:27.03 | aitor_ | and download the gpg key: |
| 18:27.05 | aitor_ | curl http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos_pk.asc | apt-key add - |
| 18:27.27 | aitor_ | USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK |
| 18:27.37 | aitor_ | cheers, be back later |
| 18:36.20 | *** join/#devuan konsolebox (~konsolebo@110.54.222.206) |
| 18:49.03 | *** join/#devuan ChubYann (~ChubYann@90.50.21.7) |
| 18:51.46 | *** join/#devuan Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4b:38f:527b:9dff:fe9e:37e6) |
| 18:54.12 | *** join/#devuan Kruppt (~Kruppt@50.111.12.9) |
| 19:04.07 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-55-224.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 19:23.01 | *** join/#devuan GeneralStupid (~patrick@perdmann.de) |
| 19:23.47 | GeneralStupid | Hi, when will devuan go stretch? |
| 19:25.52 | *** join/#devuan rypervenche (~rypervenc@unaffiliated/rypervenche) |
| 19:27.22 | golinux | hwpplayer1: I suggest you move you request to #devuan-dev |
| 19:28.25 | golinux | ascii is stretch but depending on your use case could be challenging |
| 19:29.06 | golinux | GeneralStupid: ^^^ |
| 19:29.20 | golinux | There are some caveats. |
| 19:30.10 | golinux | hwpplayer1: Just be aware that team members in EU are on an August holiday |
| 19:30.25 | golinux | so response may be slow. |
| 19:32.54 | *** join/#devuan peetaur (~peter@p57AAAEBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:33.13 | GeneralStupid | golinux: so ascii is not stable atm? |
| 19:35.12 | golinux | there's a problem with rsyslog. Needs to be replaced with version from backports or two other options. |
| 19:36.05 | golinux | Testing of oprc and vdev is ongoing. Look at the botbot logs and the forum |
| 19:36.15 | golinux | openrc |
| 19:37.58 | *** join/#devuan zer0def (~zer0def@178.32.124.239) |
| 19:38.34 | GeneralStupid | golinux: vdev and openrc, whats wrong with udev and sysvinit? |
| 19:39.00 | fsmithred | I made a test live iso with openrc and eudev |
| 19:39.16 | fsmithred | at the moment, I'm upgrading a refracta install from jessie to ascii |
| 19:39.28 | fsmithred | udev has a dirty word in its name |
| 19:39.51 | fsmithred | and I expect that one day, on a normal upgrade, we'll be told that it's not installable. |
| 19:40.03 | golinux | You're not upgrading the vanilla devuan version? |
| 19:40.14 | fsmithred | no |
| 19:40.57 | GeneralStupid | its good to get things forward and remove udev (log view) but shouldnt be those things in unstable first? |
| 19:41.34 | GeneralStupid | *dev and the init service are important enough to be tested well |
| 19:42.08 | fsmithred | eudev is in experimental and I think openrc is there, but some of the deps need to be installed by hand. |
| 19:42.32 | GeneralStupid | fsmithred: there will never be a dist-upgrade? |
| 19:42.34 | fsmithred | the reason for the iso was so people could test it |
| 19:42.45 | fsmithred | never be a dist-upgrade of what? |
| 19:42.58 | GeneralStupid | jessie -> ascii |
| 19:43.18 | fsmithred | yes, of course there will |
| 19:43.22 | fsmithred | just don't know when |
| 19:43.35 | fsmithred | I assume people will get back to work when vacation is over |
| 19:43.58 | fsmithred | and some ascii installer isos will appear |
| 19:45.35 | *** join/#devuan saptech (~saptech@unaffiliated/saptech) |
| 19:51.52 | *** join/#devuan litefem1 (~fag86693@ip-89-103-237-191.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 20:01.29 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-55-224.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 20:04.46 | GeneralStupid | fsmithred: its fine its just that stretch is out for a long time |
| 20:06.21 | *** join/#devuan aitor (~aitor@171.85-84-183.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 20:06.24 | aitor | hi |
| 20:07.43 | *** join/#devuan Guest1319 (~Guest@83.220.236.221) |
| 20:07.47 | aitor | i'm doing some things wrong in the packaging of vdev |
| 20:07.51 | ttkv | I'm a bit surprised devuan's going with vdev instead of eudev but you doubtless have your reasons |
| 20:08.04 | aitor | iĺl change: |
| 20:08.17 | GeneralStupid | ttkv: im suprised that they dont use udev, like gentoo does. |
| 20:09.00 | aitor | Provides: udeb (=215-17+deb8u7) |
| 20:09.02 | aitor | by: |
| 20:09.03 | ttkv | guessing the per-process access controls are enticing for desktopy things |
| 20:09.06 | msiism | GeneralStupid: only systemd gentoo does that |
| 20:09.11 | fsmithred | nobody said that devuan is going with vdev |
| 20:09.24 | ttkv | GeneralStupid - udev is deeply entangled with systemd at this point |
| 20:09.32 | aitor | Replace: udev (>=215-17~) |
| 20:09.40 | ttkv | fsmithred - oh, okay, sorry guess I misunderstood |
| 20:09.46 | GeneralStupid | its still possible to compile udev without systemd |
| 20:10.16 | ttkv | GeneralStupid - yes, but why do that when you can use eudev (which is a fork from udev before systemd)? |
| 20:11.15 | msiism | GeneralStupid: ok. but: "In 2012, the Gentoo Linux project created a fork of udev in order to avoid dependency on the systemd architecture." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudev#eudev) |
| 20:11.15 | fsmithred | we might go with eudev as default for ascii. It will be (and is now) available and seems to be working fine |
| 20:11.23 | GeneralStupid | ttkv: standard gentoo uses udev without systemd |
| 20:11.31 | aitor | i also have to remove udev before libudev1, and then, the empty package libvdev1 will not be necessary |
| 20:11.48 | ttkv | fsmithred - cool |
| 20:11.58 | GeneralStupid | fsmithred: nice, i think eudev is the better choice... |
| 20:12.22 | GeneralStupid | I like the idea behind vdev but it would be good for eudev if two distributions would use it |
| 20:12.46 | ttkv | a bunch of distros are using eudev |
| 20:13.12 | ttkv | enumerated here -- https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7648392.html |
| 20:13.14 | GeneralStupid | there are no relevant distributions without systemd in the standard configuration left. |
| 20:13.20 | ttkv | wat |
| 20:13.24 | msiism | GeneralStupid: also: "For configurations not using systemd, eudev is Gentoo's device file manager for the Linux kernel." (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Eudev) |
| 20:13.32 | ttkv | are you just trolling, GeneralStupid? |
| 20:14.16 | GeneralStupid | ttkv: which one? |
| 20:14.29 | GeneralStupid | msiism: hmm, i thought i saw udev on my gentoo machine |
| 20:15.03 | ttkv | GeneralStupid - http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page enumerates seventy'ish distros not using systemd, including the most popular linux distribution (Android) |
| 20:15.10 | fsmithred | GeneralStupid, how did you see it? eudev must lie about its true identity |
| 20:15.30 | msiism | GeneralStupid: i think it's still called udev on the system |
| 20:15.33 | GeneralStupid | im sorry for that one, but then eudev would be the choice |
| 20:15.48 | ttkv | stops feeding the troll now |
| 20:16.03 | aitor | eudev is the name used for sources, i think |
| 20:16.19 | GeneralStupid | ttkv: android? ... android has greater issues then just systemd |
| 20:16.23 | aitor | the binary is udev |
| 20:16.42 | GeneralStupid | ttkv: lets talk about the widely used systems, like ubuntu, suse, redhat... |
| 20:17.10 | GeneralStupid | aitor: :) could be my fault |
| 20:17.57 | GeneralStupid | i know android and i used it a lot, maybe there is a linux kernel but its not a gnu/linux system for me |
| 20:18.18 | aitor | GeneralStupid: and also the package, but im not sure at this point |
| 20:18.38 | aitor | once i downloaded, but weeks ago |
| 20:18.47 | aitor | downloaded the sources* |
| 20:18.57 | aitor | fsmithred: external devices need root's password with vdev |
| 20:19.07 | GeneralStupid | aitor: no but its fine. Fine enough for me and i really like the idea of switching to openrc and eudev. |
| 20:19.38 | ttkv | GeneralStupid - install Master Terminal and explore the filesystem for a while and you'll see that Android is a lot like other linux distributions. |
| 20:20.25 | ttkv | GeneralStupid - if you persist in discounting the most popular linux distribution in the world, there's also Gentoo and Slackware and their derivatives. |
| 20:21.18 | ttkv | and then there's those other seventy'ish distributions, which are individually less significant, but collectively pose a significant audience for package developers to maintain legacy compatibility. |
| 20:21.33 | fsmithred | weird - I just heard dialup-modem sounds |
| 20:23.32 | GeneralStupid | maybe my "widely used" is different from your "widely used" definition |
| 20:24.22 | *** join/#devuan Centurion-Dan2 (~Thunderbi@office.centurion.net.nz) |
| 20:24.27 | GeneralStupid | i like slackware and gentoo but i would not call them relevant, because i would call most of their users advanced. |
| 20:24.46 | aitor | time to dinner, brb |
| 20:24.54 | ttkv | afk's for lunch |
| 20:32.26 | *** join/#devuan clemens3 (~clemens@178-82-248-142.dynamic.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:49.45 | *** join/#devuan arter (~arter@85.158.147.147.dyn.plus.net) |
| 20:50.24 | *** join/#devuan telstar_ (~telstar@213-243-138-179.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 20:51.53 | *** join/#devuan telst4r (~telstar@fsf/member/telst4r) |
| 20:53.13 | *** join/#devuan peetaur (~peter@p200300E10BC0A3001E1B0DFFFE9F7A09.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:03.38 | *** join/#devuan pillepalle (~Thunderbi@5.146.73.225) |
| 21:03.55 | *** part/#devuan msiism (~devdoc@dslb-188-103-130-203.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 21:12.19 | *** join/#devuan MY_R (~NO@unaffiliated/my-r/x-3859955) |
| 21:29.04 | *** join/#devuan crayxmp (~crayxmp@LFbn-LIL-1-472-87.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:00.47 | *** join/#devuan debdog (~debdog@2a02:8070:418b:1400:7a24:afff:fe8a:d04d) |
| 22:02.01 | *** join/#devuan tarbz2 (~Thunderbi@186.23.155.100) |
| 22:02.44 | *** join/#devuan Xenguy (~Xenguy@unaffiliated/xenguy) |
| 22:04.22 | *** join/#devuan fr33domlover_ (~fr33domlo@fsf/member/fr33domlover) |
| 22:14.01 | *** join/#devuan sn0wmonster (~yeti@taskhive/lead/sn0wmonster) |
| 22:14.42 | *** join/#devuan chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc0e:3700:9c8b:49c7:cd17:5752) |
| 22:45.14 | *** join/#devuan litefem1 (~fag86693@ip-89-103-237-191.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 23:17.54 | *** join/#devuan fr33domlover_ (~fr33domlo@fsf/member/fr33domlover) |
| 23:31.45 | *** join/#devuan primalz (~rimalz@unaffiliated/primalz) |
| 23:38.17 | *** join/#devuan rrq (~ralph@60-242-139-200.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 23:45.22 | *** join/#devuan debdog (~debdog@ip-37-201-6-57.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 23:46.33 | *** join/#devuan Drugo (~Drugo@62-11-1-95.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 23:52.31 | *** join/#devuan blinkdog (~blinkdog@72-160-200-168.dyn.centurytel.net) |