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| 03:43.27 | pennTeller | Guys just came to say thanks to everyone who forms part of the community around Devuan. I am extremely grateful that this bistro exists. |
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| 03:43.36 | pennTeller | distro* |
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| 03:52.48 | Xenguy | me too pennTeller |
| 03:53.09 | Xenguy | AlexLikeRock: Why remove vlc? I use it for all my video |
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| 04:19.57 | pennTeller | Xenguy, :) |
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| 04:31.58 | saptech | hi all |
| 04:32.13 | blinkdog | hello |
| 04:32.24 | saptech | how do I install perl? |
| 04:32.38 | blinkdog | apt-get install perl |
| 04:32.58 | DusXMT | saptech: It's already most likely installed, since parts of the system depend on it |
| 04:33.13 | DusXMT | Try: $ perl --version |
| 04:33.16 | furrywolf | that's way too easy. perl's installation should involve a lot more punctuation. |
| 04:33.55 | saptech | thanks. it is installed...silly me |
| 04:34.44 | saptech | I had used aptitude install perl but it wasn't showing anything about it. But apt-get install perl showed it was already the latest ver |
| 04:35.03 | saptech | so is it best to use apt-get instead of aptitude with Devuan? |
| 04:36.09 | DusXMT | saptech: That's just how aptitude always worked. I use both, aptitude's text user interface is convenient, yet apt-get's speed is convenient too |
| 04:37.51 | saptech | ok, thanks |
| 04:41.29 | DusXMT | It looks like even dpkg itself ships with a set of perl scripts, eg. dpkg-buildpackage or dpkg-source, and tasksel is a perl script as well, so yeah, it's very much a requirement :) |
| 04:41.46 | furrywolf | would be nice if it weren't, for tiny installs |
| 04:43.38 | DusXMT | It seems that even adduser/deluser are perl scripts |
| 04:44.21 | furrywolf | curls up next to Lydia_K for bedtime |
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| 04:46.55 | saptech | that is interesting @ perl usage |
| 04:47.57 | DusXMT | Cones to show that it is indeed a very useful tool :) |
| 04:48.04 | DusXMT | (the language) |
| 04:48.06 | DusXMT | *comes |
| 04:54.46 | saptech | I'm trying to install Obmenu-Generator to work with Openbox menu icons |
| 04:55.04 | saptech | I'm following this site, http://lxlinux.com/obmenu-generator.html |
| 04:56.01 | saptech | when I run the command to add the icons to the Right-Click menus,I get this error message |
| 04:56.44 | saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/533bf26dcfc7 |
| 04:57.20 | saptech | the msg show can't locate gtk2. Do I need to install it? |
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| 05:16.11 | saptech | libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version. |
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| 05:35.00 | saptech | I got it sorted out |
| 05:35.17 | saptech | it came back to missing a perl module again |
| 05:35.33 | saptech | I had to install libgtk2-perl |
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| 07:41.11 | AntoFox | o/ |
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| 08:27.13 | aitor | \o |
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| 08:54.49 | l41f3n | o/ |
| 08:57.02 | aitor | \o/ |
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| 09:16.55 | Oberoid_ | Just installed devian sucessfully on hp compaq 6000 and old packerd bell notebook |
| 09:17.03 | Oberoid_ | devuan |
| 09:19.48 | Oberoid_ | To celebrate this success I ordered 10 logo stickers. Now I will try an old compaq evo n610c |
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| 09:52.48 | aitor | i follow working on the installer |
| 09:55.29 | aitor | the following script removes all the "/" characters from the second field of the line: |
| 09:55.32 | aitor | root: (......) :17387:0:99999:7::: |
| 09:55.40 | aitor | in /etc/shadow |
| 09:56.03 | aitor | being FILE=/etc/shadow: |
| 09:56.14 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.24 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.34 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.42 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.27 | aitor | Now it's easy to replace this field by '*', and this removes the root password |
| 09:57.49 | aitor | is it a bad idea to add it to user-setup-udeb? |
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| 09:58.58 | aitor | is it better to remove the password from the live system, instead of changing official packages? |
| 10:04.58 | aitor | the second condition is not neccesary |
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| 10:15.32 | djph | why're you trying to remove root's password, and how will you accomplish installing things if root's effectively' disabled? |
| 10:23.24 | aitor | better to remove the line containg "root:" |
| 10:23.25 | aitor | awk '!/root:/' shadow > temp |
| 10:23.39 | aitor | and generate the new line |
| 10:24.20 | aitor | djph: i'm adding d-i to fsmithred's iso image, and root's password is set to "toor" |
| 10:25.06 | aitor | i don't know if is it possible to leave it in blanck using devuan-sdk |
| 10:25.40 | aitor | is awk included in the base system? |
| 10:27.44 | aitor | djph: root won't be disabled after a hard disk installation; during live sessions you can use 'sudo' and set a password for root, if you want |
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| 10:33.46 | aitor | bbl |
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| 10:40.21 | djph | ohh.... |
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| 11:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | aitor: (away :-/ ) why don't you use `passwd --delete --repository $FILE root` instead? |
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| 11:44.10 | buZz | lol |
| 11:44.19 | buZz | oh :P |
| 11:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | aitor: (away :-/ ) [ -n "`grep "^root:" $FILE | grep "\/"`" ] looks odd anyway, regarding number of ticks" and number of escapes |
| 11:46.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | "`grep "^root:" $FILE | grep "\/"`" |
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| 11:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | "`grep '^root:' $FILE | grep '\/' ` " instead? Or actually `passwd --delete --repository $FILE root` instead of the whole test&grep&sed edit monster |
| 11:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOPS `passwd --delete --root $FILE root` prolly |
| 11:54.39 | fsmithred | what is $FILE? |
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| 11:55.03 | fsmithred | nm, I see it |
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| 11:59.01 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, can root do 'passwd --delete' on the root account? |
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| 12:00.07 | soohwa | hello |
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| 12:03.55 | soohwa | I saw https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1152 and in case someone is interested in mirroring jessie or ascii i uploaded here a modified version of debmirror (from wheezy but I think it can be adaped). Yes that is a hack : https://github.com/soohwa/devuan-debmirror |
| 12:05.05 | soohwa | I failed to register at the forum so this is why I post here. |
| 12:05.29 | fsmithred | failed how? |
| 12:06.03 | fsmithred | soohwa, was it the questions? |
| 12:06.55 | soohwa | sorry, I have no question, it was just to answer with my modified script ^^ |
| 12:07.20 | fsmithred | no, I mean how did you fail to register at the forum? Was there a problem? |
| 12:07.22 | soohwa | I never received the confirmation email. But no matter ^^ |
| 12:07.47 | fsmithred | hang on, I'll check your account |
| 12:08.03 | soohwa | okay :-) |
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| 12:10.49 | fsmithred | well, it agrees with you - waiting for verification. I don't know how to trigger it to send you the email. |
| 12:11.17 | soohwa | okay, no pb, thx for the check ^^ |
| 12:11.47 | fsmithred | it'll come eventually |
| 12:12.20 | soohwa | yes, who lives will see |
| 12:12.50 | fsmithred | lol, I mean like maybe today or tomorrow |
| 12:13.10 | soohwa | :-D |
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| 12:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: why not? I think passwd doesn't care which etc/shadow line it edits |
| 12:34.01 | fsmithred | seems like suicide |
| 12:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that aiui the $FILE parameter is supposed to point to a /chroot/etc/shadow, not the active system one |
| 12:35.39 | fsmithred | yeah, it should |
| 12:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know what sounds like suicide (and ebertheless works flawlessly)? reconfiguring sshd on a remote server that you're logged in via ssh |
| 12:35.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless* |
| 12:36.02 | fsmithred | been there, done that |
| 12:36.07 | fsmithred | it was scary the first time |
| 12:36.19 | fsmithred | actually... every time |
| 12:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, always check ssh login via a seconf terminal, while keeping the primary login active |
| 12:36.51 | sickness | yeah |
| 12:37.30 | fsmithred | second login on the remote? I'm confused. |
| 12:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are also nice tools to roll back changes when you don't commit-confirm them within a given amount of time |
| 12:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: it's nothing to feel confused about - just open a second local xterm and try ssh user@remote there, while keeping the first ssh session in first xterm open |
| 12:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the second one fails, you still are logged in via first one, to fix whatever issue |
| 12:39.45 | fsmithred | ok |
| 12:41.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | re passwd: it's only a glorified sed basically |
| 12:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it literally just edits a few files in /etc/ (if you got no NIS or whatever) |
| 12:43.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could completely replace passwd(1) by a tiny script for sed |
| 12:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | just scripts don't respect SUID, so normal users whould need sudo to invoke it |
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| 13:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl @ man passwd >>You can find advices on how to choose a strong password on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_strength<< Versus https://xkcd.com/936/ |
| 13:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the requirement to have at least one numeric and one punctuation char in your password *reduces* entropy |
| 13:09.54 | specing | how long before manpages become replaced with wikipedia? |
| 13:10.43 | specing | DocScrutinizer05: in theory yes, but since in practice humans probably don't put them there, it increases it |
| 13:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, passwd enforces those rules |
| 13:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | which doesn't make sense at all |
| 13:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | also it's quite funny to check the maximum *relevant* number of chars in passwords of any system. Often it's depressingly stupid |
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| 13:16.22 | Lydia_K | I use that comic all the time when trying to explain good passwords to people. |
| 13:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | from man passwd: >>Number of significant characters in the password for crypt(). PASS_MAX_LEN is 8 by default.<< |
| 13:22.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | users are stunned when they find out they can drop 2/3 of the nice long password and it still is valid to log in ;-P |
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| 13:27.48 | specing | wtf |
| 13:28.49 | specing | DocScrutinizer05: that does not hold on Gentoo |
| 13:28.59 | specing | can't log-in by typing only 10 chars |
| 13:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it may get overridden in /etc/login.defs explicitly, and also by encryption_method I guess, and of course at compile time for crypt() etc |
| 13:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not a system property that would break any compatibility if changed, so... |
| 13:34.40 | specing | MAX_LEN at 8 is insane |
| 13:34.48 | specing | whoever set that should be thrown to the sharks |
| 13:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway in my book best practice for secure passwords is: allow for passwords that user can remember so they don't need to write them down, don't age passwords since changing passwords doesn't really add security. and **number one**: have sufficient throttling in login to both slow down single threaded brute force and forbid massive parallel brute force |
| 13:41.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got this one https://xkcd.com/792/ as poster on my flat's door :-D |
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| 13:47.51 | aitor | hi again |
| 13:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((throttling)) xkcd takes an arbitrary const of 1000 tries/s, that's insane, you shouldn't allow more than 1 per second, excluding short term bursts |
| 13:49.22 | aitor | there is a mistake in the file: |
| 13:49.31 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to have waken up with his opsec hat on today |
| 13:49.40 | aitor | of the grub-installer-udeb package |
| 13:50.02 | aitor | line number 389: |
| 13:50.16 | aitor | log-output -t grub-installer dd if=/dev/zero of="$wipe_bootdev" bs=512 count="$(blockdev --getsz "$wipe_bootdev")" |
| 13:50.28 | aitor | i think... |
| 13:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | aitor: please consider using `passwd --delete --root $FILE root` |
| 13:50.51 | aitor | yes, i read it, thanks |
| 13:50.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead of that script you posted |
| 13:51.29 | aitor | i didn't know it :) |
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| 13:51.52 | aitor | the line posted above should be: |
| 13:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | comes in very handy for rescuesystem |
| 13:51.59 | aitor | log-output -t grub-installer dd if=/dev/zero of="$wipe_bootdev" bs=512 count="$(blockdev --getsz $wipe_bootdev)" |
| 13:53.36 | aitor | due to the superfluous double quotes, many of the following lines are snipped |
| 13:54.39 | aitor | including: |
| 13:54.40 | aitor | log-output -t grub-installer $chroot $ROOT dpkg -P grub-pc-bin grub-pc grub-efi grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64 grub-efi-ia32-bin grub-efi-ia32 |
| 13:55.09 | aitor | take a look at it, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | aitor: you need to take care to never use nested " " without proper escaping |
| 13:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that last line looks like it's OK regarding ticks" |
| 13:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got no odea what command is log-output and which parameters it takes |
| 13:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | idea* |
| 13:57.28 | aitor | but dpkg --purge grub-pc, etc... is not executed |
| 13:58.04 | aitor | DocScrutinizer05, i attach the file: http://gnuinos.org/grub-installer |
| 13:58.19 | aitor | line 389 |
| 13:59.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | why do you wipe that partition, to start with? |
| 13:59.49 | aitor | DocScrutinizer05: sorry, we are talking about different issues |
| 14:00.38 | aitor | i'm trying to add d-i to fsmithred's image, mantaining fylesystem's md5sum |
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| 14:01.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | also the case in line 385 looks like a degraded "if", if anything |
| 14:01.24 | aitor | and there are two obstacles: root's password and the installed grub-efi packages |
| 14:02.32 | aitor | i'll download ascii's version |
| 14:03.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I can't help. No idea about all that |
| 14:04.30 | aitor | did you give a try the installer in live mode? it works: http://gnuinos.org/devuan-live/ |
| 14:04.54 | aitor | i recomend you, it's much better than opensuse |
| 14:04.56 | aitor | lol |
| 14:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but dude, that's one monster of a script! with randomly interleaved function defs for additional fun ;-) |
| 14:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g 634 select_bootdev() |
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| 14:09.27 | aitor | what happens with select_bootdev() in the 634 line? i'm still trying to understand the tenth line..., you go very quickly |
| 14:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just have a cursory look and see it's happily mixing "main" code and function definitions |
| 14:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe that's needed when you actually write one main function of >500 lines |
| 14:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you find function definitions nearby their invocation |
| 14:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind, coding style isn't the main issue here I guess |
| 14:13.32 | aitor | the function definitions are in the header of the file, and also in other files like: |
| 14:13.35 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.03 | aitor | not in the udeb packages, they are called minipackages |
| 14:15.27 | aitor | DocScrutinizer05: need to go, see you later :) |
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| 16:55.45 | g4570n | Hi, yesterday install firefox from Ceres/Unstable, and now firefox crashes when starting and does not start. The same is reproduced with firefox-esr that came using without problems. Has anyone had a similar problem? |
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| 18:26.02 | saptech | the sun is coming back out @ eclipse |
| 18:28.58 | saptech | I seen a partial eclipse back in the '60s when I was a kid |
| 18:30.27 | fsmithred | must be really a small part here. I was hoping to see everything turn violet. |
| 18:34.30 | golinux | Didn't notice a thing here |
| 18:35.03 | saptech | I'm in the States, the midwest part |
| 18:35.16 | saptech | got a full eclipse view |
| 18:35.52 | saptech | eerily looking darkness at 1:15pm |
| 18:36.18 | golinux | Texas is too far south |
| 18:36.48 | saptech | I'm in St. Louis, MO |
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| 18:37.21 | golinux | The media hype is overkill. |
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| 18:37.23 | fsmithred | Massachusetts here. |
| 18:37.41 | fsmithred | no eerie this time, but I have seen that in the past. |
| 18:37.45 | golinux | saptech is in the heart of the GMO beast |
| 18:37.58 | golinux | and now we're really OT |
| 18:38.25 | saptech | heh, Monsanto is HQ here |
| 18:38.39 | golinux | No s**t |
| 18:38.57 | debdog | saptech: must have looked like http://i.imgur.com/HSndaeH.gif |
| 18:39.31 | golinux | That's not how a corona looks |
| 18:39.42 | saptech | yep, some neighboring communities have a class action lawsuit against them for poluteting the waterways |
| 18:40.24 | golinux | We should move to #debianfork yo continue this if you want to go there |
| 18:40.28 | saptech | debdog, it kinda of lookl ike it |
| 18:42.13 | saptech | I think next one in 2023 but different parts of the world |
| 18:42.21 | debdog | mayhap should've linked this http://imgur.com/gallery/HSndaeH |
| 18:42.35 | debdog | regarding <saptech> I seen a partial eclipse back in the '60s when I was a kid |
| 18:43.03 | saptech | yes, i'm an old timer |
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| 18:43.53 | golinux | imgur just crashed my browser. Why does anybody use that pos. |
| 18:43.54 | fsmithred | I saw that one, too |
| 18:44.08 | fsmithred | and another in 1970 |
| 18:44.11 | saptech | it didn't crash mine |
| 18:44.33 | saptech | the last full one was in '79, not part of the country |
| 18:44.41 | saptech | *my |
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| 18:45.35 | golinux | Please move to #debianfork |
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| 18:50.22 | specing | golinux: your browser should crash when viewing a random website |
| 18:50.26 | specing | shouldn't* |
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| 18:54.58 | saptech | I have my Openbox setup very good |
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| 20:29.00 | saptech | hi all. does anyone use jwm window manager? How do I get the menu to show current programs? |
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| 20:40.41 | aitor | hi,saptech |
| 20:42.17 | aitor | i've never used jwm |
| 20:44.07 | aitor | parazyd built an iso of heads using awesome as a WM, and it had a (dynamic?) application for that |
| 20:44.15 | aitor | obmenu-generator, maybe? |
| 20:44.44 | aitor | i'm working on another application for that: |
| 20:45.13 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/tint2launcher/ |
| 20:45.54 | aitor | #include <gtk/gtk.h> is needed for the icons |
| 20:48.23 | saptech | ok, I currently use openbox with obmenu-generator. I was just checking out jwm |
| 20:48.50 | aitor | the method: |
| 20:48.52 | aitor | gchar* clean_exec (MenuCacheApp *) |
| 20:49.27 | fsmithred | saptech, maybe you need to restart thw wm to get the menu to update. I don't know. |
| 20:49.48 | fsmithred | there are some jwm links in this thread: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1497 |
| 20:49.58 | aitor | only skips some superfluous characters like in the exec cmd, like: |
| 20:49.59 | aitor | pcmanfm %U |
| 20:51.16 | aitor | thanks for the link |
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| 20:53.13 | saptech | ok, thanks |
| 20:56.16 | aitor | saptech: download the main.c and the makefile, install libmenu-cache-dev and generate your own openbox-applications.menu in /etc/xdg/menus/ |
| 20:56.47 | aitor | for example, you can copy the content of lxde-applications.menu as a template |
| 20:57.22 | aitor | and run 'make' |
| 20:57.27 | saptech | aitor, where do I get lxde-applications.menu from? |
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| 20:58.10 | aitor | lxde-core? |
| 20:59.12 | saptech | I do not have lxde installed. I use Mate |
| 20:59.24 | saptech | besides Openbox standalone |
| 21:00.58 | aitor | ok: http://gnuinos.org/lxde-applications.menu |
| 21:01.55 | aitor | the output of the application should be something like: http://gnuinos.org/tint2launcher/output |
| 21:03.24 | aitor | the wrong UTF-8 encoding is due to the navigator |
| 21:04.15 | saptech | ok. I'm copying your instructions and will try it out and see if I can get it working |
| 21:05.13 | fsmithred | saptech, in jwm, Restart in the menu will cause newly-installed apps to show up. You have to dig down through the debian menu to find them. |
| 21:05.21 | aitor | i still have to work on the popup menu |
| 21:06.09 | aitor | there are some videos: |
| 21:06.41 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/popup-menu.mpg |
| 21:07.28 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/openbox-menu_ES.mpg |
| 21:08.22 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/openbox-menu.mpg |
| 21:08.26 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/openbox-menu1.mpg |
| 21:08.31 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/openbox-menu2.mpg |
| 21:08.43 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/openbox-menu3.mpg |
| 21:09.14 | aitor | http://imgur.com/gallery/HSndaeH |
| 21:10.02 | aitor | i don't want to bore you |
| 21:14.40 | aitor | saptech: replace openbox-applications.menu by lxde-applications.menu in the code of main.c, if you want |
| 21:15.49 | aitor | or xfce-applications.menu |
| 21:16.04 | aitor | you can play with the code, it's too short |
| 21:16.16 | aitor | remove clean_exec if you want |
| 21:20.51 | aitor | bedtime, bye :) |
| 21:21.42 | aitor | the eclipse is comming to Europe |
| 21:22.10 | fsmithred | solar eclipse at night? |
| 21:22.23 | aitor | yeah! |
| 21:22.48 | aitor | fsmithred -> #debianfork |
| 21:23.28 | saptech | ok thanks guys |
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| 23:48.32 | golinux | Where is everybody? |
| 23:51.04 | fsmithred | it was busy this morning when you were asleep |
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| 23:55.05 | aitor | huh |
| 23:55.25 | golinux | Not that busy . . . |
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| 23:56.13 | aitor | hi, golinux, i'm awake |
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