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| 09:51.45 | aitor | hi |
| 09:52.37 | aitor | i'm uploading a new image of devuan-live+d-i: http://gnuinos.org/devuan%20jessie%20live/ |
| 09:52.50 | aitor | debian-installer worked |
| 09:54.39 | aitor | the image doesn't work in live mode (i removed the /home/devuan folder), it holds running the init-bottom scripts |
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| 10:00.09 | aitor | now i'll try to reduze the changes done in the original filesystem.squashfs |
| 10:04.02 | aitor | surely, the symlink /etc/mtab is not necessary |
| 10:06.08 | aitor | i'll also try to mantain root's password, there are some lines in user-setup-udeb/usr/bin/user-setup-apply clearing the root password from the database, and setting it again |
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| 10:08.23 | aitor | the main point is to remove grub-efi-amd64 and grub-efi-amd64-bin from the system; otherwise, grub-installer-udeb fails before configuring users and passwords and running update-initramfs |
| 10:09.19 | aitor | the iso has been uploaded |
| 10:09.40 | aitor | brb |
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| 12:15.55 | g0zzy | Is pulseaudio present by default in the xfce4 desktop? |
| 12:21.35 | jonadab | Ugh, pulseaudio. |
| 12:22.20 | sickness | aww |
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| 13:00.35 | fsmithred | g0zzy, most likely, PA is installed, but that depends on how you installed xfce. It can be avoided, removed or replaced with apulse. |
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| 13:03.39 | g0zzy | fsmithred: Thanks. I was thinking it wasn't. Someone on #debian was bemoaning the difficulty of removing it and i mentioned i thought it was absent in devuan ;) |
| 13:04.05 | fsmithred | should be easy to remove |
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| 13:10.21 | Lugal1 | hey |
| 13:11.07 | Lugal1 | I see only a i386 iso on the download side. but I think my CPU is i686. how can I get it for 686 and is there a big difference? |
| 13:11.31 | fsmithred | i386 is just a name kept for historical reasons |
| 13:11.40 | fsmithred | it's a 686-pae kernel |
| 13:14.57 | DusXMT | In fact, linux won't even run on a 386, not even on a 486, because of some instruction the kernel relies on |
| 13:15.06 | DusXMT | Perhaps uclinux could work on those |
| 13:15.30 | DusXMT | (or one of the BSDs) |
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| 13:50.11 | Lugal1 | ah, ok, good to hear that :) |
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| 15:09.11 | aitor | hi |
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| 15:17.03 | aitor | the iso still doesn't work in live mode |
| 15:18.28 | fsmithred | aitor, what changes did you try? |
| 15:18.35 | aitor | a home folde for the devuan user already exits, but the user doesn't exit in /etc/passwd |
| 15:18.42 | aitor | folder* |
| 15:21.12 | aitor | i removed grub-efi-amd64 and grub-efi-amd64-bin, and, after running apt-get autoremove (this step removes grub-common, grub2-common, efibootmgr, libefivar0 and os-prober) i reinstalled os-prober |
| 15:21.28 | aitor | i also ran update-initramfs -u |
| 15:21.55 | aitor | the iso uses udev, not eudev |
| 15:22.35 | aitor | scripts/init-bottom/udev runs succesfully, i get: |
| 15:22.59 | aitor | running scripts/init-bottom... done |
| 15:23.07 | aitor | and then it holds |
| 15:23.09 | fsmithred | hm |
| 15:23.31 | fsmithred | it didn't run when I tried to boot the last iso I downloaded. (not the last one you uploaded.) |
| 15:23.37 | aitor | all the live-* packages are installed |
| 15:23.52 | aitor | download the last one |
| 15:24.26 | fsmithred | if you uploaded one yesterday, I didn't get it. |
| 15:24.34 | aitor | live-boot live-tools live-config live-boot-initramfs-tools and live-config-sysvinit |
| 15:24.48 | aitor | i uploaded one today |
| 15:25.05 | aitor | the installer works |
| 15:25.12 | fsmithred | ok |
| 15:26.14 | fsmithred | why did you autoremove? |
| 15:29.14 | aitor | it removes unneccesary packages (sorry, i was multitasking) |
| 15:29.31 | fsmithred | they are necessary if you boot on uefi |
| 15:29.53 | aitor | not after removing grub-efi |
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| 15:30.26 | aitor | it removes the dependencies of the previously removed packages |
| 15:30.34 | fsmithred | when I boot one of my live isos on uefi hardware, I can run efibootmgr, even though grub-efi is not installed |
| 15:31.30 | aitor | i never used efi :( |
| 15:32.06 | fsmithred | you're lucky. It's a pain in the ass. |
| 15:32.29 | aitor | you hate it, i'm aware :) |
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| 15:33.53 | aitor | i'm wondering why the iso doesn't work in live mode |
| 15:34.16 | fsmithred | is it failing in the same place as the one from a couple days ago? |
| 15:34.27 | fsmithred | scripts/init-bottom |
| 15:35.47 | aitor | yes, i can't assert if this step was done or not |
| 15:37.26 | aitor | is this your unique image generated by devuan-sdk? |
| 15:38.08 | sh4rm4^bnc | so, devuan is finally a thing ? which udev replacement did you opt for in the end ? gentoo's eudev ? |
| 15:38.44 | fsmithred | eudev is in experimental |
| 15:38.55 | fsmithred | so is vdev |
| 15:40.31 | aitor | fsmithred, i'll try to replace udev by vdev in the iso and i'll tell you the results |
| 15:41.07 | aitor | see you later |
| 15:44.04 | sh4rm4^bnc | fsmithred, so what does non-experimental use ? |
| 15:48.37 | fsmithred | udev |
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| 16:00.26 | fsmithred | btw sh4rm4^bnc, devuan has been "a thing" (i.e. usable) for a couple of years. |
| 16:00.46 | fsmithred | bbl (20 min) |
| 16:02.20 | sh4rm4^bnc | you use an old udev version ? or how'd you get rid of the libsystemd dependency ? |
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| 16:23.18 | gnarface | sh4rm4^bnc: they didn't. they just got rid of the systemd daemon dependency. libsystemd still may be installed. |
| 16:23.38 | gnarface | sh4rm4^bnc: (in some cases people have reported success replacing it with a dummy package though) |
| 16:25.27 | sh4rm4^bnc | so you're effectively using an own udev fork ? or is it just a small patch ? |
| 16:26.45 | gnarface | i think it's just literally just recompliled with ./configure --without-udev or something like that |
| 16:27.36 | gnarface | not 100% sure of that though |
| 16:27.43 | gnarface | some stuff has gotten minor patches |
| 16:27.45 | gnarface | there's a list |
| 16:28.56 | gnarface | https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/forked-from-debian.txt |
| 16:28.57 | gnarface | here |
| 16:29.13 | gnarface | plus two extras added https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/native-to-devuan |
| 16:29.37 | gnarface | and systemd and systemd-sysv are blacklisted (https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/blacklist) |
| 16:29.45 | gnarface | everything else is actually pulled directly from debian on-the-fly |
| 16:30.23 | gnarface | sorry, meant ./configure --without-systemd |
| 16:30.30 | gnarface | (i'm sure you knew what i meant) |
| 16:31.05 | gnarface | someone here knows the specifics but it's slow |
| 16:31.18 | gnarface | a slow day |
| 16:31.23 | gnarface | in a slow channel |
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| 16:35.16 | fsmithred | sh4rm4^bnc, we are effectively using the exact same udev package as in debian jessie |
| 16:35.28 | fsmithred | unchanged |
| 16:35.55 | sh4rm4^bnc | oh |
| 16:36.21 | fsmithred | in ascii it's the same version as stretch, and in ceres, it's the same version as buster/sid |
| 16:36.26 | gnarface | it didn't even need to have dependencies altered? i feel like i knew that once... |
| 16:36.31 | fsmithred | nope |
| 16:36.36 | fsmithred | not yet |
| 16:37.11 | fsmithred | I assume that one day, people running ceres will try to do an upgrade and will be told that udev is uninstallable. |
| 16:37.48 | fsmithred | sorry, "not installable" |
| 16:37.50 | sh4rm4^bnc | i wonder why you don't switch to eudev permanently |
| 16:38.11 | fsmithred | 'cause we move s - l - o - w - l - y |
| 16:38.16 | gnarface | i'm hoping someone who gives a flying rat's ass about Steam support tests eudev and vdev some day |
| 16:38.28 | gnarface | (hopefully before udev fails to upgrade) |
| 16:38.36 | sh4rm4^bnc | what's the issue with steam ? |
| 16:38.37 | fsmithred | um... |
| 16:38.46 | fsmithred | can't you test it, gnarface? |
| 16:39.00 | gnarface | not effectively |
| 16:39.04 | sh4rm4^bnc | i use eudev in sabotage linux since day one |
| 16:39.05 | fsmithred | it's pretty easy to revert to udev if you need to |
| 16:44.16 | gnarface | hmmm |
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| 16:47.37 | gnarface | ok, you're right, i could test it |
| 16:47.42 | gnarface | i'm just too scared to be the first one |
| 16:48.19 | gnarface | i don't wanna find out it doesn't work only to get VAC banned by some automated anti-cheat watchdog |
| 16:54.25 | fsmithred | eudev has to pretend it's udev for all the other players to be happy |
| 16:54.55 | sh4rm4^bnc | just put eudev into the base install so you get immediate user feedback |
| 16:55.10 | sh4rm4^bnc | then the issues, if there are any, can be fixed |
| 16:55.14 | aggrora | gnarface: I might be able to retrive some old accounts that you can try, not sure though. I had two extra accounts once with games like cs and l4d to use on lanparties |
| 16:55.42 | fsmithred | install/remove eudev: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1543 |
| 16:56.23 | gnarface | hmmm. so the specific issue is with the steam controller, which i'm not sure whether it's bound permanently to my account or not |
| 16:56.32 | gnarface | i'll have to check that |
| 16:56.34 | gnarface | maybe it isn't |
| 16:57.02 | fsmithred | sh4rm4^bnc, we don't have a base install for ascii yet. And it would probably be better to get more feedback from users before we spring it on them. |
| 16:57.08 | gnarface | if someone else had a steam controller, the issue is immediately noticeable on launch of certain games though |
| 16:57.18 | gnarface | (rocket league, for example) |
| 16:58.34 | fsmithred | this community started as a result of a forced replacement. We should not repeat that. |
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| 17:08.52 | golinux | fsmithred> this community started as a result of a forced replacement. We should not repeat that. |
| 17:09.15 | golinux | Exactly. We respect our users in this camp. |
| 17:14.23 | fsmithred | hi |
| 17:14.40 | sh4rm4^bnc | it's not like eudev is some weird zombie thing which takes away your freedom |
| 17:14.52 | sh4rm4^bnc | it's basically just udev without systemd deps |
| 17:14.56 | fsmithred | yeah, I know |
| 17:15.16 | sh4rm4^bnc | so where does "forcing the user into..." come into play ? |
| 17:15.47 | fsmithred | it's a major system component. I'd like to see more feedback before it's the default. |
| 17:16.07 | fsmithred | if you want it, it's easy enough to get it. |
| 17:16.49 | sh4rm4^bnc | you're not gonna getting feedback if you dont put it into some default install :) |
| 17:17.07 | sh4rm4^bnc | since there's a "testing" release, that'd be the obvious place to put it |
| 17:17.43 | golinux | No there isn't currently a 'testing' release |
| 17:18.00 | gnarface | fsmithred, golinux (no arguments from me) |
| 17:18.10 | fsmithred | here's an unofficial pre-testing release: http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/ascii_oblx_eudv_oprc-20170813_2222.iso |
| 17:18.20 | golinux | Devuan = Debian |
| 17:18.21 | golinux | Jessie 1.0 = Jessie (old stable) |
| 17:18.21 | golinux | ASCII (in process) = Stretch (stable) |
| 17:18.21 | golinux | Beowulf (not yet set up) = Buster (testing) |
| 17:18.21 | golinux | Ceres = sid |
| 17:18.23 | fsmithred | you can test eudev and openrc at the same time |
| 17:18.45 | golinux | fsmithred: to the rescue!! |
| 17:19.12 | gnarface | eudev/vdev are an unnecessary risk to most users for the moment. hopefully one of them will be thoroughly vetted before an emergency battlefield promotion becomes necessary :-/ |
| 17:20.02 | sh4rm4^bnc | risk ? you mean the risk of their USB scanner not getting automatically detected ? |
| 17:20.12 | fsmithred | yes |
| 17:20.16 | gnarface | sh4rm4^bnc: yea or just any unexpected behavior |
| 17:20.47 | fsmithred | that certainly concerns me - I spend a fair amount of time here helping people with problems. |
| 17:21.10 | sh4rm4^bnc | since eudev uses the same device database as udev, that's highly unlikely though... |
| 17:21.27 | fsmithred | yes, and I haven't seen any problems with it |
| 17:22.07 | gnarface | sh4rm4^bnc: well the problem i'm having in ceres with Steam isn't even happening with other versions of udev, so i think maybe your evaluation of how fragile this stuff is may not be 100% on point |
| 17:22.57 | sh4rm4^bnc | well there's nothing that can be done against proprietary software doing checksums against known system components to prevent cheating |
| 17:23.06 | gnarface | sh4rm4^bnc: and it ONLY affects valve hardware that uses the "xinput" controller API (not to be confused with X input) |
| 17:23.44 | gnarface | sh4rm4^bnc: in this case, it doesn't appear to be a dumb checksum thing. it's got to do with a internal udev database of some sort (different from the udev rules files themselves) that changed in format fundamentally in an undocumented fashion |
| 17:24.17 | gnarface | but you're right its not something most users will run into |
| 17:24.30 | gnarface | at least most non-steam users |
| 17:25.41 | sh4rm4^bnc | unfortunately, the systemd-gang has their fingers in udev, so gratuitous format changes and breakage is not unexpected... |
| 17:27.00 | gnarface | yea. i kinda wonder what Valve will do about it when this version of udev trickles down into Debian stable |
| 17:27.27 | gnarface | for the moment they're alternating between denial and deflection |
| 17:29.19 | gnarface | it only affects games that bind buttons to stuff like "jump" and "shoot" instead of existing X11 joystick/event input button #'s or existing mouse/keyboard keys |
| 17:30.19 | gnarface | so yea, it's a rare corner case |
| 17:30.48 | gnarface | but only in the sense that Steam users on Linux are a rare corner case to begin with |
| 17:32.02 | sickness | little question that I can't seem to find in the official documentation: how to have/install the refracta installer tools into a normal installed devuan? apt-cache search refracta doesn't find anything :/ |
| 17:32.19 | fsmithred | it's still in experimental |
| 17:32.35 | fsmithred | should have migrated down to jessie, but things are slow now |
| 17:33.05 | sickness | ah, ok, tnx :) |
| 17:33.19 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental main |
| 17:33.31 | sickness | ah, good |
| 17:33.33 | sickness | tnx |
| 17:33.36 | fsmithred | yw |
| 17:34.07 | fsmithred | also here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/ |
| 17:34.26 | sickness | tnx |
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| 18:15.49 | Lugal | changing the mac address changes it in the software or in the hardware? |
| 18:25.31 | sh4rm4^bnc | it changes till ifconfig down |
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| 18:30.16 | aitor | fsmithred, are you there? |
| 18:31.34 | aitor | i forgot the boot option: nocomponents=passwd, you said me in an email days ago... arrrrr! |
| 18:31.46 | aitor | now, it works in live mode |
| 18:32.09 | aitor | i tested the live-installer of d-i, and worked for me |
| 18:33.00 | aitor | uploading it again: http://gnuinos.org/devuan-live/ |
| 18:34.32 | aitor | we should add the clearlooks theme in the system: it's the default gtk theme used by d-i |
| 18:35.25 | fsmithred | back |
| 18:35.30 | aitor | the image will be available in 6 minuts aprox. |
| 18:35.32 | fsmithred | isn't clearlooks installed already? |
| 18:35.36 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:35.43 | fsmithred | need to get rid of that password file |
| 18:35.45 | aitor | i don't think so |
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| 18:36.11 | aitor | oops, i didn¡t try to reboot |
| 18:36.27 | aitor | didn't* |
| 18:36.41 | Lugal | why is libsystemd0 installed in the default devuan installation? |
| 18:36.47 | fsmithred | you are correct. It's not. |
| 18:37.09 | Lugal | it is |
| 18:37.12 | fsmithred | Lugal, for gvfs-daemons and maybe something else |
| 18:37.16 | Lugal | just installed one today |
| 18:37.21 | Lugal | ah ok |
| 18:37.24 | fsmithred | aitor is correct - clearlooks theme is not installed |
| 18:37.43 | aitor | fsmithred: systemd can be removed from gvfs |
| 18:37.47 | aitor | i did it |
| 18:38.07 | fsmithred | well put it on git.devuan.org so it can migrate into the repo |
| 18:38.44 | aitor | ok, i haven't it to hand now, but i will push it |
| 18:38.54 | fsmithred | actually, I don't think there's going to be a big effort to remove dependency on libsystemd0 in ascii |
| 18:40.36 | aitor | fsmithred: the image is uploaded |
| 18:41.06 | aitor | please, test the live-installer and check if the new root's password works |
| 18:41.24 | aitor | need to go, be back later |
| 18:41.30 | fsmithred | what is pass? |
| 18:41.34 | fsmithred | toor? |
| 18:41.53 | aitor | user-setup-ask will ask you |
| 18:41.58 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:42.01 | fsmithred | cool |
| 18:42.05 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 18:42.17 | aitor | not at all, and happy hacking :) |
| 18:42.23 | aitor | <3 |
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| 19:35.51 | fsmithred | aitor, it acts the same: can't manually partition, grub doesn't install, name and passwords changes are lost, can only log into desktop as root (with old password) |
| 19:36.51 | fsmithred | cancel that - I used the wrong iso |
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| 19:41.32 | fsmithred | new iso won't boot |
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| 20:31.33 | aitor | hi |
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| 20:32.40 | aitor | the iso boots, it worked for me twice |
| 20:33.50 | aitor | but root's password doesn't work, user-setup-udeb needs some improvements, at least in jessie |
| 20:35.12 | aitor | despite all you can get sudo permissions leaving in blank the root password |
| 20:36.15 | aitor | fsmithred: the checksum of the iso is 431f4fb983cd5c08ec2c2707e48d4016 |
| 20:37.43 | aitor | i'll fix this issue in half an hour |
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| 21:01.51 | aitor | uploading it again..., the same link: |
| 21:01.54 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/devuan-live/ |
| 21:01.59 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:02.10 | fsmithred | I must have had a bad download. |
| 21:02.15 | aitor | but different md5sum: 15e0d7b45791e410b356287c685d8a37 |
| 21:02.40 | aitor | no worries :) |
| 21:02.46 | aitor | time to dinner, brb |
| 21:03.17 | fsmithred | 404 Not Found |
| 21:03.42 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/devuan-live/ |
| 21:04.31 | aitor | i can access to the link |
| 21:05.30 | fsmithred | I re-downloaded right before you uploaded |
| 21:05.34 | fsmithred | and that one works |
| 21:06.16 | fsmithred | oh, it still says pureftpd-upload |
| 21:06.25 | fsmithred | 491M |
| 21:06.38 | fsmithred | it's not finished |
| 21:06.47 | aitor | ~4 minuts left |
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| 21:07.24 | aitor | i only did one change in /etc/shadow |
| 21:07.42 | aitor | i'll try to add this change within user-setup-udeb |
| 21:09.35 | fsmithred | manual partitioning works |
| 21:10.12 | aitor | i tried using grep and sed (in order to avoid rpl) but the presence of the special character / in the second field of: |
| 21:10.27 | aitor | root: (......) :17387:0:99999:7::: |
| 21:10.49 | aitor | gave me problems; i'll try this week |
| 21:11.10 | aitor | fsmithred: time to eat, see you |
| 21:11.16 | aitor | to dinner+ |
| 21:13.09 | furrywolf | you can escape / with \/, or use a different character for the pattern separator. |
| 21:14.20 | fsmithred | grub-install succeeded |
| 21:14.44 | furrywolf | that is, s-a-b- is just as valid to sed as s/a/b/ |
| 21:16.43 | furrywolf | or scacbc, if you want to make your expressions very hard to read. :) |
| 21:21.51 | furrywolf | according to a quick check, there are 41 words in the english language |
| 21:22.04 | furrywolf | (according to /usr/share/dict/words) that are valid basic sed substitution patterns. :) |
| 21:26.03 | fsmithred | yeah, I've used other separators in sed, especially when working with paths |
| 21:29.45 | fsmithred | new username and password worked. New root password did not work. It kept the old one. |
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| 21:50.34 | Evilham | I got used ages ago to use s!foo!bar |
| 21:50.59 | Evilham | sadly in some places that's taken as bad syntax :( |
| 21:53.24 | fsmithred | it might fall into the category of optical illusion or some other deception. |
| 21:56.02 | MinceR | you can even use s as the separator :> |
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| 21:58.27 | Evilham | oh, that's nasty |
| 21:58.36 | Evilham | ss\ssS |
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| 23:10.37 | fugitive | guys which kernel do you use? seems i am experiencing some annoying problems with wifi.. both via atheros and intel adapter. (on jessie 3.16.0-4-amd64) |
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| 23:46.13 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 23:46.15 | AlexLikeRock | i remove vlc |
| 23:46.22 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.25 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 23:46.39 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/982301/ |
| 23:47.08 | AlexLikeRock | i tink need reconfigure AUDIO CORE or somting like thtat |