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| 01:22.54 | Artemis3 | fsmithred, good, now instructions for installing runit in devuan :3 |
| 01:48.00 | fsmithred | someone would have to tell me how to do it. |
| 01:50.03 | Artemis3 | http://smarden.org/runit/ ? |
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| 02:09.44 | golinux | fsmithred: Artemis3: http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/ Steve also had some posts on DNG recently about runit iirc. |
| 02:10.08 | golinux | goes to find it |
| 02:10.46 | fsmithred | all I did was install packages |
| 02:11.29 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170811.233003.7310a905.en.html |
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| 05:22.35 | ji-ef[m] | fsmithred: |
| 05:22.36 | ji-ef[m] | > anyone else... here are instructions for installing openrc in devuan ascii: http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/openrc/install_openrc.txt |
| 05:22.37 | ji-ef[m] | Now that sounds cool :D Thanks ! |
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| 07:32.22 | aitor | moin |
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| 08:04.48 | Y_Plentyn | hi |
| 08:04.52 | Y_Plentyn | thinking about community building |
| 08:04.56 | Y_Plentyn | are there plans for physical meetings? e.G. at FOSDem? or linuxday.at? |
| 08:05.00 | Y_Plentyn | (I will probably go to the latter anyway) |
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| 08:17.03 | aitor | Y_Plentyn: the latest fosdem meeting was on 4 and 5 february, is it always in Brussels? |
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| 08:17.36 | Y_Plentyn | aitor: always in Brussels, always around that time |
| 08:18.02 | aitor | ok, thanks |
| 08:18.12 | aitor | and linuxday? |
| 08:18.34 | Y_Plentyn | always around end of year, always in Dornbirn, Austria |
| 08:19.31 | Y_Plentyn | the same question might be interesting for RFLL^H^H^HMLL |
| 08:20.09 | aitor | there is no announcement: http://linuxday.net/ |
| 08:20.33 | Y_Plentyn | http://linuxday.at |
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| 08:24.42 | aitor | ok, december |
| 08:26.16 | aitor | seems to be in Germany, near Switzerland and Liechtenstein |
| 08:27.16 | Y_Plentyn | nope, Austria |
| 08:27.36 | aitor | ok |
| 08:27.37 | Y_Plentyn | so, the rest was correct |
| 08:27.59 | Y_Plentyn | it is quite reachable from north italy IIRC |
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| 08:30.36 | aitor | Tourino, Milano? |
| 08:32.20 | Y_Plentyn | aitor: being from berlin I never tried that ;) but I remember being told that it was not hard |
| 08:32.46 | Y_Plentyn | not more distant than rome for example |
| 08:33.04 | aitor | lol |
| 08:33.37 | Y_Plentyn | hm? |
| 08:35.15 | aitor | some of the italian people here are not from the north |
| 08:35.42 | aitor | Antofox, for example, is from napoli (i think) |
| 08:35.54 | AntoFox | yep |
| 08:36.40 | Y_Plentyn | yeah, but still - it is one of the nearest places to italy reachable by land ;) |
| 08:36.52 | aitor | you were hidden |
| 08:37.02 | Y_Plentyn | ant it is quite reachable by air, too |
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| 08:37.53 | aitor | i'll go in bike |
| 08:38.13 | Y_Plentyn | if you do not mid crossing the alps ;) |
| 08:38.31 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: Nice to see installation of openrc in ascii summarized: http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/openrc/install_openrc.txt |
| 08:38.31 | gnu_srs | Maybe we should create a similar file for installation of eudev? |
| 08:39.00 | aitor | i saw the instructions |
| 08:39.45 | Y_Plentyn | gnu_srs: is there anything else to do but enable experimental (which was a bit tricky for me) and apt install eudev? |
| 08:42.20 | gnu_srs | No that is all that's needed. I think the txt files should add which versions should be installed too ;) |
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| 08:44.41 | gnu_srs | Add to /etc/init.d/sources.list: deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan experimental main; apt-get update; apt-get install eudev=220:3.2.2-devuan2.3 |
| 08:45.58 | gnu_srs | Optionally purge udev: dpkg --purge udev |
| 08:47.41 | aitor | so, eudev an udev can coexist? |
| 08:47.48 | aitor | and* |
| 08:47.57 | Y_Plentyn | aitor: probably not |
| 08:48.21 | gnu_srs | No, but the conf files remains after a replacement and no purging. |
| 08:48.45 | aitor | ok |
| 08:48.51 | Y_Plentyn | gnu_srs: does that hurt? (just for my information) |
| 08:51.47 | gnu_srs | After install of eudev: sudo dmesg|grep eth0. For sysv-rc eth0 will be replaced by ens3, on openrc not. Change /etc/network/interfaces accordingly. |
| 08:52.38 | Y_Plentyn | ic |
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| 08:55.05 | gnu_srs | Or add net.ifnames=0 to /etc/default/grub |
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| 08:58.15 | gnu_srs | Y_Plentyn: No problem with udev and eudev conf files coexisting, the only common file is /etc/udev/udev.conf |
| 08:58.45 | Y_Plentyn | so... I put up a posting on the community pake of the forum - so, If anybody wants to join on some meeting we can coordinate it there for now |
| 08:58.54 | Y_Plentyn | page |
| 08:59.16 | Y_Plentyn | gnu_srs: good |
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| 09:28.10 | fsmithred | gnu_srs, am I reading correctly? You don't get the stupid network names if you use openrc? |
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| 09:34.26 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: Yes: udevd[1393]: Error changing net interface name eth0 to ens3: Device or resource busy |
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| 09:35.19 | gnu_srs | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.58 | gnu_srs | With sysv-rc: e1000 0000:00:03.0 ens3: renamed from eth0 |
| 09:36.13 | fsmithred | huh. I didn't notice because I fixed the boot command first |
| 09:36.43 | fsmithred | does openrc use /etc/inittab? |
| 09:37.40 | DusXMT | (Well, on Gentoo where OpenRC is the default, I had "stupid" network names) |
| 09:37.41 | gnu_srs | yes |
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| 09:38.05 | DusXMT | (Am I the only one who likes them?) |
| 09:38.39 | fsmithred | you must not have tried it with a usb dongle. The number won't be as long as a uuid, but it's longer than it needs to be. |
| 09:38.54 | gnu_srs | You can also do: ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules |
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| 09:39.17 | fsmithred | I'm also irritated that LP refers to them as "predictable". You must open the box and look inside to predict what it will be called. |
| 09:39.54 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: Me too :D |
| 09:40.08 | aitor | wicd doesn't work in my computer with those names, and the status icon of simple-netaid in freepascal also fails sometimes |
| 09:40.36 | DusXMT | aitor: that's odd, a simple configuration (opening preferences and setting the names) made mine work o gentoo |
| 09:40.37 | fsmithred | in wicd you need to change to the new number in preferences |
| 09:40.56 | aitor | simple-netaid-gtk doesn't fail with those stupid names because i began working on that with them |
| 09:41.14 | aitor | ok, i didn't know |
| 09:41.56 | aitor | i have to buy some food, see you later |
| 09:42.03 | fsmithred | bye |
| 09:42.08 | aitor | bye |
| 09:44.07 | fsmithred | gnu_srs, I can write similar instructions for installing eudev. I'll be pretty short, even if I include instructions for reverting to udev. |
| 09:46.06 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: Yes please do. Nice :) |
| 09:48.17 | fsmithred | just checked at d1g and nobody has posted it before, so I'll do it |
| 09:48.47 | fsmithred | maybe on dng, too. One post about the live iso and instructions for both eudev and openrc |
| 10:09.41 | fsmithred | gnu_srs, instructions for installing eudev: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4455#p4455 |
| 10:12.55 | gnu_srs | good: Maybe also mentioning the eventual renaming of network devices? |
| 10:19.23 | gnu_srs | And an entry for "Install openrc in ascii", with the contents of your file install_openrc.txt (adding versions too)? |
| 10:22.02 | fsmithred | yeah, I added a post to miro's thread about installing openrc |
| 10:22.18 | fsmithred | maybe it's kinda lost there at the end of a long thread |
| 10:22.46 | fsmithred | the renaming of network devices happens in ascii anyway. |
| 10:23.33 | fsmithred | versions of openrc? |
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| 10:25.15 | fsmithred | I see 0.13, 0.23 and 0.27 - are any of them bad? |
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| 10:30.29 | parazyd | don't even consider < 0.23 |
| 10:30.43 | gnu_srs | 0.23 and 0.27 are preferred |
| 10:30.46 | parazyd | too old and development is constant |
| 10:32.38 | fsmithred | ok |
| 10:33.11 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: And versions of util-linux, sysvinit-*, initscripts |
| 10:33.14 | fsmithred | is it possible to use 0.23 in jessie, or just advise against trying it in jessie |
| 10:33.59 | fsmithred | miro has the versions and the sha256sums in the thread and also uploaded them to his server |
| 10:34.04 | gnu_srs | I haven't tried, but it might not be advisable for jessie :( |
| 10:34.18 | fsmithred | ok, it'll be openrc in ascii anyway |
| 10:34.36 | fsmithred | any ceres pioneers are on their own |
| 10:35.19 | fsmithred | and I assume the instructions will be obsolete when all the packages get into the repo. Is that correct? |
| 10:36.53 | gnu_srs | Yes, I hope so. |
| 10:38.46 | gnu_srs | Maybe I should create a local repo and try out the upgrade path. Any pointers how to create a local repo? |
| 10:39.30 | gnu_srs | Better would of course be the devuan repo problems solved :D |
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| 10:45.40 | gnarface | gnu_srs: check out reprepro |
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| 10:48.33 | gnu_srs | gnarface: Tks for the hint. Will take a look at it ;) |
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| 23:45.30 | aitor | gnu_srs: you need to define a conf/distributions file for reprepro |
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| 23:46.43 | aitor | here you are an example: http://gnuinos.org/REPREPRO/ |
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| 23:53.19 | aitor | put all the content in a file named, for example, devuan-repo |
| 23:53.29 | aitor | and run: |
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| 23:54.03 | aitor | find ./devuan-repo -name "*.deb" -exec reprepro --ask-passphrase -b . -V -C main includedeb jessie {} \; |
| 23:54.36 | aitor | find ./devuan-repo -name "*.dsc" -exec reprepro --ask-passphrase -b . -V -C main includedsc jessie {} \; |
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| 23:55.39 | aitor | you can also add the *.changes files |
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