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| 01:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://software.opensuse.org/package/eeshow?search_term=eeshow |
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| 02:32.41 | psychi[m] | Hi, just wondering if anyone had make hardened kernel with Devuan? Any existing instructions or records for this? |
| 02:32.47 | psychi[m] | Appreciated |
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| 03:14.08 | golinux | psychi[m]: Doesn't heads do that? |
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| 03:43.15 | psychi[m] | golinux (IRC): Yes I am looking at it. See if there's any guides to avoid pitfalls. Thanks;-) |
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| 03:55.46 | TheTrueHooha | uname -a still returns Debian instead of Devuan |
| 03:56.21 | golinux | psychi[m]: There is a user on dev1galaxy who writes rambling posts on this topic https://dev1galaxy.org/search.php?action=show_user_topics&user_id=24 |
| 03:57.41 | golinux | He has also posted a lot of the same on the dng mail list. If you search you will find them. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/dng@20380101.000000.00000000.en.html |
| 03:58.17 | golinux | TheTrueHooha: ~$ uname -a |
| 03:58.17 | golinux | Linux devuan 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u2 (2017-06-26) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:58.31 | TheTrueHooha | Weird... |
| 03:58.35 | TheTrueHooha | Why does mine say debian |
| 03:58.47 | golinux | You must have missed some upgrades |
| 03:59.10 | Nematocyst | mine says debian also |
| 03:59.19 | golinux | That got straightened out a long time ago. |
| 03:59.31 | golinux | What release? |
| 03:59.39 | Nematocyst | Linux hiarcs 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u2 (2017-06-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:00.01 | TheTrueHooha | golinux: I don't even know. I've been asking people if it would auto-update and they all said "yes" |
| 04:00.09 | TheTrueHooha | I installed Devuan when it was still beta |
| 04:00.15 | golinux | Me too |
| 04:00.17 | TheTrueHooha | And have been doing apt dist-upgrade |
| 04:01.37 | golinux | Installed nearly two years ago. I use synaptic because I can't type two words correctly. |
| 04:02.13 | golinux | What DE are you using |
| 04:02.26 | Nematocyst | /etc/issue is correctly Devuan, however |
| 04:02.41 | TheTrueHooha | golinux: no DE |
| 04:02.45 | TheTrueHooha | My WM is FVWM2 |
| 04:03.10 | Nematocyst | mine is xfce |
| 04:03.25 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.25 | golinux | That could be part of the problem. Do you have desktop-base installed? |
| 04:03.26 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.28 | TheTrueHooha | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.35 | TheTrueHooha | probably not |
| 04:03.55 | golinux | Just a wild guess. |
| 04:04.33 | golinux | I am also running Xfce |
| 04:07.48 | Nematocyst | it doesn't concern me terribly. no evidence of issues |
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| 04:28.06 | psychi[m] | golinux (IRC): Thanks a lot |
| 04:29.21 | golinux | Hope that helps. |
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| 07:59.14 | vvande | I had a link for the refracta installer but it was on ibiblio and it's been dead for a while now and it looks like it's not coming back. |
| 07:59.21 | vvande | Anybody know where it went? |
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| 08:02.30 | aitor | good morning |
| 08:04.06 | aitor | refractainstaller is available in sourceforge: |
| 08:04.07 | aitor | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/ |
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| 10:07.51 | super-kiri | Hi Devuan community! |
| 10:08.11 | super-kiri | First off, big thanks to the devs! |
| 10:08.23 | super-kiri | I am having an issue however. |
| 10:08.38 | super-kiri | Debian net install works flawlessly |
| 10:08.55 | super-kiri | But for some reason Devuan cannot connect to any mirrors. |
| 10:09.29 | super-kiri | I have searched the documentation but could not find anything to help me with the install process |
| 10:09.51 | super-kiri | what is an address I should try for the mirror during install? |
| 10:14.33 | inode | try http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged |
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| 11:18.42 | ca-on-adam | Today I am upset that Debian people decided that an MTA won't be a standard part of the default install, and neither will the 'mail' command. This means I don't get output from cron jobs, and I suspect this will lead to the removal of cron from the default system as well. Would devuan be opposed to this move? |
| 11:19.13 | gnarface | that's a great question |
| 11:19.26 | gnarface | for whatever it's worth *i'm* opposed to such a move |
| 11:19.45 | ca-on-adam | I am thinking that I'm just a bit slow in realizing my best interest is to switch over... |
| 11:20.21 | ca-on-adam | And thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. |
| 11:20.42 | gnarface | if debian wants to be a toy operating system because that's what all the kids like these days, that's their prerogative |
| 11:20.47 | specing | What MTA removal? |
| 11:20.48 | gnarface | some of us were still trying to get work done |
| 11:20.53 | specing | you'll get systemd-mtad |
| 11:20.58 | specing | and systemd-crond |
| 11:21.10 | ca-on-adam | Is that sarcasm? |
| 11:21.17 | specing | I hope it is |
| 11:21.24 | ca-on-adam | Ok, lol |
| 11:21.33 | specing | With lennart anything is possible |
| 11:21.42 | specing | ca-on-adam: https://lut.im/L6SXa8r9AA/vZNdLzDZ19ldpAxa.png |
| 11:23.53 | specing | ca-on-adam: I joke you not https://github.com/systemd-cron/systemd-cron |
| 11:24.22 | specing | MTA might take a bit longer to implement though |
| 11:24.32 | specing | but wait |
| 11:24.40 | specing | what do you need an MTA for when you have dbus? :D |
| 11:24.47 | gnarface | i was thinking skype :-p |
| 11:25.34 | specing | and startup scripts will be rewritten in microsoft powershell |
| 11:26.13 | gnarface | lol yes because that's what they were really missing; object support for environment variables |
| 11:27.34 | ca-on-adam | Yeah, the day that cron output is received via skype messaging, I ... don't know what I'll do... |
| 11:28.28 | specing | install BSD |
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| 11:37.49 | ca-on-adam | specing: Well I'll install BSD if I am still alive after that day. |
| 11:39.52 | inode | mount |
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| 12:45.33 | ca-on-adam | Okay, I asked about this in the Devuan forums (also my first post there). https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1503 |
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| 14:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | seeing the mess systemd-crond creates, I'm pretty sure this will be part of "keep systemd out" paradigm and cron and mail are about to stay in devuan |
| 14:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | systemd-crond is a fact |
| 14:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh you finally found that too |
| 14:38.49 | ca-on-adam | I really do hope that mail and cron stay. |
| 14:39.26 | drawkula | I'll never nderstand how unixers could fall for systemd |
| 14:39.47 | specing | they aren't unixers |
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| 14:40.05 | drawkula | that may be a valid conjecture |
| 14:40.45 | drawkula | if plan9 had a bearable GUI and some more all day apps, I'd use that... |
| 14:40.50 | super-kiri | i am still having mirror issues with devuan |
| 14:40.57 | drawkula | but they failed at the other end... |
| 14:41.22 | drawkula | not having systemd but they have an unusable GUI |
| 14:41.27 | super-kiri | i can use the internet, but apt can't connect to any mirrors |
| 14:41.43 | super-kiri | i did an install about a month ago and didn't have any problem |
| 14:41.49 | zdzichu | DocScrutinizer05: for added laughs, systemd-crond is not part of systemd suite; it's some third party extension trying to mimic poetteringware |
| 14:42.04 | super-kiri | debian mirrors work fine though... |
| 14:42.21 | specing | drawkula: the more you divert from the mainstream the more pain it becomes to run |
| 14:42.51 | drawkula | mainstream seems to converge to windows |
| 14:42.51 | super-kiri | does the installer default to ipv4 or ipv6? |
| 14:43.19 | drawkula | every app does everything... maybe except what you expect it to do... |
| 14:43.55 | specing | drawkula: of course, for them to replace windows they have to implement the same "functionality" |
| 14:44.07 | specing | with reactos being the extreme for this |
| 14:44.26 | drawkula | reactos never was a *nix |
| 14:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there an issue with the mirrors? second complaint today |
| 14:44.56 | super-kiri | i have had issues for 1 week |
| 14:45.12 | super-kiri | can't connect to devuan mirrors, but debian is working for me |
| 14:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | you must not use debian |
| 14:45.31 | super-kiri | i know |
| 14:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | please pastebin your sources.list, for the experts to review |
| 14:45.59 | psychi[m] | Hi, I am wondering if Devuan has https sources repo? |
| 14:46.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohnoes, please NOT AGAIN cert issues! |
| 14:46.41 | super-kiri | https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:46.43 | super-kiri | using this |
| 14:46.47 | super-kiri | defaults |
| 14:47.12 | super-kiri | for security, main and updates |
| 14:47.53 | super-kiri | o.O |
| 14:48.37 | super-kiri | maybe i will use void or guixsd |
| 14:48.54 | super-kiri | but this issue is really bugging me |
| 14:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, can't see anything wrong in http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ and https://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ |
| 14:49.08 | super-kiri | even when i do a fresh install the mirrors don't connect |
| 14:49.08 | drawkula | i can apt(-get) update and install |
| 14:49.15 | super-kiri | must be on my end |
| 14:49.24 | super-kiri | for some reason it doesn't go through |
| 14:49.33 | super-kiri | yet a fresh debian install works no worries... |
| 14:49.57 | drawkula | maybe a regional problem? sdfeu.org is unreachable too... |
| 14:50.01 | super-kiri | i changed internet providers (new modem as well) about a week ago |
| 14:50.13 | super-kiri | that is when the problem started |
| 14:51.57 | super-kiri | when i click http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ |
| 14:52.09 | super-kiri | in my browser it says problem loading page |
| 14:52.20 | phogg | super-kiri: can you resolve the domain? Can you ping it? |
| 14:52.28 | super-kiri | good question |
| 14:52.31 | super-kiri | i'll try |
| 14:53.06 | super-kiri | ping -c 3 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ |
| 14:53.09 | super-kiri | unknown host |
| 14:53.20 | phogg | super-kiri: ping doesn't understand http URLs, put in just the domain |
| 14:53.21 | drawkula | packages.devuan.org ? |
| 14:53.23 | Centurion-Dan2 | super-kiri: security isn't currently avail via https |
| 14:53.41 | phogg | super-kiri: but first try dig auto.mirror.devuan.org to confirm that you can look up the IP |
| 14:54.13 | super-kiri | sorry, not familiar with dig |
| 14:54.17 | super-kiri | what do you mean |
| 14:54.24 | super-kiri | never mind |
| 14:54.36 | super-kiri | just tried "dig" in terminal and it worked |
| 14:55.34 | super-kiri | yep, i can ping the ip that dig gave me |
| 14:56.05 | phogg | next step: telnet auto.mirror.devuan.org 80 |
| 14:56.07 | super-kiri | for auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 14:56.10 | super-kiri | ok |
| 14:56.21 | phogg | when prompted type GET / and hit enter |
| 14:56.53 | super-kiri | could not resolve |
| 14:57.09 | phogg | super-kiri: could not resolve what? |
| 14:57.13 | super-kiri | telnet: could not resolve auto.mirror.devuan.org/80: Name or service not known |
| 14:57.37 | phogg | super-kiri: did you type auto.mirror.devuan.org/80 |
| 14:57.57 | super-kiri | you forgot the / earlier :P |
| 14:58.02 | phogg | super-kiri: no I did not |
| 14:58.09 | phogg | EXACTLY like this: telnet auto.mirror.devuan.org 80 |
| 14:58.15 | super-kiri | oh |
| 14:58.21 | super-kiri | yeah that is exactly what i did |
| 14:58.32 | super-kiri | i copied EXACTLY what you wrote |
| 14:59.11 | super-kiri | telnet auto.mirror.devuan.org 80 ----> telnet: could not resolve auto.mirror.devuan.org/80: Name or service not known |
| 14:59.15 | phogg | in that acse... port 80 is being blocked |
| 14:59.44 | super-kiri | my voip service would have nothing to do with that would it? |
| 14:59.51 | phogg | super-kiri: unlikely |
| 15:00.33 | super-kiri | logging into router firmware to investigate... |
| 15:04.07 | gnu_srs | telnet auto.mirror.devuan.org 80; Trying 46.105.191.77... |
| 15:06.49 | super-kiri | so would it be under firewall for blocked ports? |
| 15:17.10 | super-kiri | so what should i do |
| 15:17.21 | super-kiri | i can't see any blocked ports under firewall |
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| 15:34.28 | Xenguy | I'd be curious as to what output this gives: telnet 46.105.191.77 80 |
| 15:38.10 | super-kiri | connected |
| 15:40.22 | super-kiri | telnet 46.105.191.77 80 Trying 46.105.191.77... Connected to 46.105.191.77. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 15:40.47 | super-kiri | i let it run out |
| 15:43.19 | super-kiri | in the old days, if one tried to remove sysvinit from debian |
| 15:43.39 | super-kiri | did apt remove the entire install like it does if you remove systemd? |
| 15:44.24 | Xenguy | And can you ping the domain super-kiri ? e.g.: ping -c 3 auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 15:44.49 | super-kiri | no, can't ping the domain |
| 15:45.31 | Xenguy | What is the output for this? cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:46.15 | super-kiri | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN nameserver 127.0.1.1 search localhost |
| 15:47.35 | Xenguy | Well I con't see any nameservers here, so I wonder what 'resolvconf' is doing? |
| 15:49.00 | Xenguy | I remember running into issues with resolvconf quite some time ago, so I uninstalled it, then configured my /etc/resolv.conf by hand, and then made the file immutable with 'chattr', so that no program could make changes to the file... |
| 15:49.29 | Xenguy | Perhaps others have better insight into how best to handle resolvconf ? |
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| 15:49.59 | super-kiri | aahhh goodnight |
| 15:50.00 | super-kiri | too tired |
| 15:50.15 | super-kiri | thanks for the help though |
| 15:50.16 | banshi | Xenguy, it should be named 'resolv.conf' |
| 15:50.25 | Xenguy | super-kiri: yw |
| 15:50.31 | super-kiri | :) |
| 15:50.31 | phogg | super-kiri: so you can resolve with dig and can't resolve with telnet. Check your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 15:50.34 | banshi | and it should be inside /etc directory |
| 15:50.43 | phogg | direct DNS works, but gethostbyname is not working |
| 15:51.05 | Xenguy | banshi: That's the file, but there is a package named 'resolvconf' that tries to configure that file |
| 15:51.16 | banshi | dunno |
| 15:51.17 | super-kiri | thanks guys, bye now |
| 15:51.22 | Xenguy | ciao |
| 15:52.24 | Xenguy | banshi: Like I mentioned, that package was messing around with the file even back when I was using debian, and it pissed me off so I uninstalled it, and I've never missed it since. |
| 15:53.42 | Xenguy | But perhaps I did not take the time to learn about potential benefits of that package |
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| 16:05.51 | ca-on-adam | I am about to try to install a devuan VM, I will report if there are any issues with the repositories during and after install. |
| 16:06.22 | ca-on-adam | But I'm in Canada so might use different mirrors than the above user did. |
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| 16:23.51 | vvande | Thanks for the link aitor. Actually it wasn't the installer I was looking for but the pages that were on ibiblio. It was text. |
| 16:24.32 | vvande | There was a refracta information (home?) page. |
| 16:24.51 | KatolaZ | vvande: what you are looking for? |
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| 16:27.33 | vvande | The pages about regracta on ibiblio. |
| 16:27.46 | vvande | s/regracta/refracta |
| 16:27.54 | vvande | they were information pages |
| 16:28.03 | vvande | but the link went dead |
| 16:29.04 | vvande | It's OK, I'm fine. :) I can google stuff. Was just wondering what happened there. |
| 16:30.27 | KatolaZ | fsmithred is not connected |
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| 16:56.24 | golinux | He's on the road today |
| 16:56.50 | golinux | vvande: http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ |
| 16:57.33 | golinux | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/ |
| 16:59.00 | gnarface | so, does anyone know how to control fan speeds these days? if i had a toshiba satellite pro laptop (regular BIOS, it looks like) what would i look for in /sys to mess with the fan speeds or temperature thresholds they activate at? |
| 16:59.58 | specing | you'd buy a thinkpad and use thinkfan |
| 17:00.21 | gnarface | so it's a free laptop with a bad display connection |
| 17:00.52 | gnarface | i just want to try to hack the fan so it won't light on fire if i try to turn it into a l4d2 server |
| 17:01.21 | gnarface | i wouldn't buy a thinkpad to do this |
| 17:01.34 | gnarface | it's an absurd task for a laptop |
| 17:04.38 | bluemarlin | well i control it with /proc/acpi/ibm/fan .. but then again, it's thinkpad ;) |
| 17:05.02 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 17:05.09 | KatolaZ | gnarface: there is always a good reason to buy a (used) thinkpad ;) |
| 17:05.10 | gnarface | i wonder if there's some modules i should load |
| 17:05.15 | gnarface | there is a /proc/acpi/toshiba |
| 17:05.18 | gnarface | but no fan in there |
| 17:07.25 | bluemarlin | can at least lm_sensors read the speed for you? |
| 17:07.45 | bluemarlin | i'd start from there - if lm_sensors can access it, you'll be able to as well.. |
| 17:08.12 | gnarface | nah, it doesn't see anything. all that sensors-detect finds is the k10temp module |
| 17:08.18 | gnarface | i see cpu temp, but that's it |
| 17:08.38 | gnarface | i guess i'll have to look up toshiba-specific hacks |
| 17:11.23 | bluemarlin | looks that way. pwmconfig from fancontrol package is no help either? |
| 17:11.52 | gnarface | oh, didn't try that one... |
| 17:12.22 | bluemarlin | it should do a search on acpi files, maybe something will turn up |
| 17:12.38 | gnarface | i'll try that, thanks for the idea |
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| 17:34.39 | vvande | golinux: thank you very much |
| 17:35.14 | vvande | Actually, it was a problem on my end, but you sending me a link ( which I trust would work) showed me the way. |
| 17:35.14 | golinux | Did you find what you were looking for? |
| 17:35.18 | vvande | yes |
| 17:35.27 | golinux | Yea! |
| 17:35.35 | vvande | the problem is that the link doesn't work with ipv6 enabled |
| 17:35.46 | vvande | I disabled ipv6 and voila! |
| 17:36.00 | golinux | Isn't that why we disable ipv6? |
| 17:36.02 | vvande | so, that was the problem the whole time |
| 17:36.19 | vvande | I don't know. I like to get to ipv6 sites too. |
| 17:36.24 | vvande | ones that don't use ipv4 |
| 17:36.31 | vvande | I want it all! |
| 17:36.38 | golinux | LOL! |
| 17:36.56 | golinux | Certainly there is a way to do that |
| 17:37.23 | golinux | Commerce would accept nothing less |
| 17:37.37 | golinux | If there's money to be had it HAS to work. |
| 17:37.42 | vvande | yes, I have a permanent tab open with about:config in Firefox - "network.disable.dnsIPv6" |
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| 17:38.13 | golinux | has never even tried ipv6 |
| 17:38.36 | vvande | I'm surprised there isn't a plugin, but this is quick - although I have to chenge window if I'm not in that one. |
| 17:39.13 | vvande | golinux: I just changed to a Hurricane Electric tunnel instead of 6to4 |
| 17:40.08 | vvande | 6to4 is bad, privacy wise and the HE tunnel is good |
| 17:41.15 | vvande | The problems I'm having are because of https. People don't get proper certificates to include all the methods of connecting to them. |
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| 17:41.33 | vvande | so with dual stack, https and ipv6 are sometimes incompatible |
| 17:42.24 | golinux | It never gets simpler . . . |
| 17:42.51 | vvande | lol |
| 17:43.03 | vvande | and I'm seeing here that I"m apparently full of shit. |
| 17:43.09 | vvande | what else is new /sigh |
| 17:43.16 | vvande | the ibilio site is not https! |
| 17:43.26 | vvande | yet I'm having this problem there |
| 17:43.29 | enyc | vvande: what? why incompatible? |
| 17:43.45 | vvande | don't know why - haven't figured it out yet |
| 17:43.47 | enyc | vvande: tcp over ipv6 and tcp over ipv4 work functionally the same, and http or https can run over either |
| 17:44.01 | vvande | but turn off ipv6 and the iblio site loads |
| 17:44.01 | enyc | vvande: maybe the particular site you are delaing with is br0ken ? |
| 17:44.30 | vvande | I thought there was a problem with certificates. |
| 17:44.46 | enyc | vvande: particular url//subdomain ? |
| 17:44.48 | vvande | a cert has to be for a specific address/zone |
| 17:45.03 | enyc | vvande: yes and thats for dns names, not todo with ip addresses |
| 17:45.05 | vvande | this one http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ |
| 17:45.25 | vvande | which we were just talking about |
| 17:45.28 | enyc | vvande: i can access that over ipv6 |
| 17:45.39 | vvande | ok, but I"m using a tunnel broker |
| 17:45.44 | enyc | also https://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ over ipv6 works too |
| 17:45.59 | enyc | vvande: tcptraceroute6 www.ibiblio.org. 443 |
| 17:46.07 | vvande | ok |
| 17:46.08 | enyc | vvande: (install ndisc6 first), what happens? |
| 17:47.19 | vvande | is that a Linux program? |
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| 17:48.34 | vvande | ah, it's on FreeBSD too, just installed it - hang on |
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| 17:54.08 | vvande | enyc: I'm not sure what to make of that. Shows tunnel links and some .edu stuff. Like this http://hijk.ml/D/trace1 |
| 17:55.24 | enyc | vvande: ok so looks like routing (or possibly firewall) issue accessing the site over ipv6 |
| 17:55.50 | vvande | where would that firewall be? Not mine afaik. |
| 17:56.01 | enyc | hrrrm |
| 17:56.12 | vvande | I've got the same problem with www.rt.com |
| 17:56.15 | enyc | I do a similar tcptracerouete from fmt2 he tunnel server... |
| 17:56.22 | enyc | 14 mk-to-ml-v1600.net.unc.edu (2610:28:3090:23::2) 102.051 ms 105.385 ms 102.102 ms |
| 17:56.25 | enyc | 15 www.ipv6.ibiblio.org (2610:28:3090:3000:0:bad:cafe:23) 105.323 ms [open] 105.199 ms 108.074 ms |
| 17:58.38 | enyc | I wonder if there's some subtelty with your ipv6-firewalling on your end |
| 17:59.05 | vvande | I'm using Tomato Shibby - been good for years. |
| 17:59.18 | vvande | the tunnel starts at the router |
| 17:59.19 | enyc | I can traceroute6 -I (i.e. ping) to your host ok |
| 17:59.29 | vvande | which host? |
| 17:59.41 | enyc | yours! (at least, source of your posted tcptraceroute6) |
| 18:00.00 | vvande | lol |
| 18:00.01 | vvande | ok |
| 18:00.03 | enyc | try traceroute6 -I www.ibiblio.org. instead (ibilio seem to accept ping) |
| 18:00.17 | vvande | k |
| 18:00.57 | enyc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.03 | enyc | err ibilio |
| 18:01.08 | enyc | ibiblio *sneezes* |
| 18:01.54 | vvande | it's still chugging away, so far looks the same |
| 18:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((thinkpad)) killled my fan with vacuum cleaner |
| 18:02.45 | enyc | vvande: *something* is going fooey with your ipv6 connectivity, seemingly, can't connect all awy through to site or receive replies properly, is all i can say... |
| 18:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc why they can't buold dust filters into that thing, which are easy to clean |
| 18:02.58 | vvande | vacuum cleaners don't have all that much power - must be a fan problem |
| 18:03.25 | vvande | enyc: thanks for looking at it |
| 18:03.37 | vvande | I"m going to investigate further later today. |
| 18:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | it totally suffices to spun the fan so it generates more foltage than the electronics can cope with |
| 18:03.44 | enyc | vvande: and? telent -6 connect/not? icmp traceroute ok? |
| 18:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
| 18:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it totally suffices to spin the fan so it generates more voltage than the electronics can cope with |
| 18:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | each decent vacuum cleaner can do |
| 18:04.38 | enyc | DocScrutinizer05: cooo never managed to kill a fan like that |
| 18:04.46 | vvande | DocScrutinizer05: that's bad, I would have used a compressor |
| 18:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's even worse |
| 18:04.56 | vvande | enyc: I don't understand. |
| 18:05.13 | enyc | vvande: above... you were trying traceroute6 -I (ICMP echo traceroute) |
| 18:05.33 | vvande | yes |
| 18:05.35 | enyc | vvande: also, ponited out you could telnet -6 to port 443 (just test a connection manually, outside browser, no traceroute magic) |
| 18:05.40 | enyc | vvande: and? |
| 18:05.47 | vvande | ah |
| 18:05.59 | enyc | result? |
| 18:06.55 | vvande | hmm I don't have the command right |
| 18:07.54 | vvande | telnet -6 www.ibilio.org:443 doesn't work |
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| 18:09.47 | vvande | straight telnet just sits there |
| 18:10.52 | vvande | telnet www.ibilio.org -6 like that |
| 18:12.35 | vvande | ah typo - but same thing |
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| 18:19.19 | _abc_ | Good evening. systemd won another award... |
| 18:19.22 | _abc_ | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/28/black_hat_pwnie_awards/ |
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| 18:45.37 | user42 | hi i just isnstalled devuan and normally use ufw as my firewalle and it looks like its not in the devuan repository. what con i do now? |
| 18:52.10 | golinux | It's in the jessie repo on my computer. |
| 18:52.22 | golinux | user42: ^^^ |
| 18:54.34 | user42 | wut... i check again in a moment... |
| 18:55.20 | golinux | Version 0.33-2 |
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| 19:00.20 | user42 | i get following mesg: Package ufw is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsolete, or is only availible from another source. |
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| 19:02.02 | user42 | sources list: deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates man non-free |
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| 19:13.26 | golinux | user42: typo manbshould be main |
| 19:13.48 | golinux | And there's another one man should be main |
| 19:15.07 | user42 | yeah sorry wirting to fast its all right in the source list, its the deafault that i just uncommented |
| 19:19.43 | golinux | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 19:19.44 | golinux | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main |
| 19:19.44 | golinux | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main |
| 19:20.07 | golinux | Do you have the first one in your sources? |
| 19:20.41 | golinux | That's the main jessie repo. |
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| 19:31.20 | user42 | aww yes, after adding deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main contrib non-free , it works! Thank you very much golinux! :) |
| 19:32.18 | golinux | yw |
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| 21:36.43 | bozonius | is xfce v4.11 in ceres? |
| 21:37.16 | bozonius | I'd like to take advantage of unique desktop backgrounds in xfce, but that is not possible until 4.11 |
| 21:37.33 | bozonius | (unless there is a way someone knows of) |
| 21:37.56 | bozonius | thanks for any help. Not a showstopper, but it would be handy. |
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| 21:49.37 | saptech | hello all |
| 21:50.19 | saptech | using openbox, how can I refresh the menus? Like adding new programs? |
| 22:12.49 | Artemis3 | restart openbox :3 |
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| 23:17.52 | saptech | Artemis3, restarting ob still not showing all of the programs |
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| 23:37.17 | fbt | What do you expect to see there? |
| 23:37.27 | fbt | How does openbox even build the menus? |
| 23:37.49 | fbt | Find the answers to those questions and you will know what to di. |
| 23:37.51 | fbt | do* |
| 23:38.08 | fbt | I suspect it has to do with Freedesktop's .desktop files or w/e |
| 23:38.23 | fbt | The thing you expect to see there may not have one. |
| 23:38.27 | fbt | saptech, ^^ |
| 23:39.36 | saptech | fbt, that is true |
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| 23:47.11 | saptech | i'm looking for an easy way(gui) instead of doing it manually :) |
| 23:47.53 | fbt | Evidently, the easy way failed |
| 23:48.20 | fbt | That would be âI've installed the package and it appeared in the menuâ |
| 23:50.42 | saptech | heh |
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| 23:54.41 | fbt | Actually, it seems that it's not that simple |
| 23:54.53 | fbt | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Openbox#Menus the archwiki has some info on that |
| 23:56.05 | fbt | If the default is static, then I have an idea. Did you copy the example menu config into your homedir? |
| 23:56.56 | saptech | yes |
| 23:57.34 | fbt | And things used to show up after installing before? |
| 23:57.42 | fbt | Before you did that, I mean. |
| 23:58.07 | fbt | I'm just making (educated) guesses here, never seen openbox in my entire life |
| 23:58.13 | fbt | Maybe on screenshots |
| 23:59.14 | fbt | Basically, if they used to show up, and now they don't, I suspect there are hooks or post-install scripts that update the global/example one. |
| 23:59.32 | fbt | If not, then you just have to set up a dynamic menu from that list |
| 23:59.35 | fbt | Or write your own |
